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Self-Driving Golf Carts May Pave the Way For Autonomous Cars

itwbennett writes: Researchers from MIT and Singaporean universities are experimenting with self-driving golf carts that use less (and relatively cheap) gear than self-driving vehicles while relying on computation-efficient algorithms. In addition to a webcam, each cart is equipped with four single-beam LIDAR (light detection and ranging) sensors from German maker Sick that have a field of view of about 270 degrees. Two of the sensors were mounted in the cart's front and used for determining its position and obstacle detection. The other two were cheaper, shorter-range sensors and were mounted on the back corners of the cart to scan for obstacles behind and on either side of it. The cost of the sensors was still high (on the order of $30,000) but that's less than solutions used in more sophisticated robotic vehicles. (Google has used $80,000 Velodyne LIDARs on its earlier self-driving cars.) A YouTube video shows the carts traveling the winding paths of a public garden in Singapore at a leisurely 24 kilometers per hour — slow enough for the computers to process all the obstacles (mainly pedestrians and animals). The researchers envision the self-driving vehicles being used in a shared transportation system, as rental bicycles are used in many cities.

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  1. Self driving golf carts by rossdee · · Score: 2

    do they have self putting golf carts too?

  2. AUTONOMOUS CARS NOW!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recently moved to the SF Bay Area and already got rear-ended several times!! I'm not even surprised the only accidents Google cars get into is when other cars hit them!

    Autonomous cars mandatory ASAP!

    1. Re: AUTONOMOUS CARS NOW!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Judging by the caps and number of exclamation points, I suspect you're one of those people who has no concept of proper intervals and/or physics. tl;dr: self driving cars because this guy keeps slamming on his breaks at random.

    2. Re: AUTONOMOUS CARS NOW!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Protip: just because you can't be bothered to look up from your cellphone doesn't mean the other people in front of you are stopping at random.

    3. Re: AUTONOMOUS CARS NOW!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, stopped at red-lights of all things.

      The roads can be crowded with the constant population boost and definitely every time on the highway we can see people with their faces buried in their phones.

      I think autonomous cars will be quite awesome. I can even imagine them going at full-speed in the HOV lane and communicating with each other to let know what's going on. Probably save a lot of time on the commute. What's the difference for an autonomous car going at 120Mph or 65Mph if it can react in a fraction of a second and it knows well ahead of time what's coming ahead because cars pass the information along.

    4. Re:AUTONOMOUS CARS NOW!!! by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      I recently moved to the SF Bay Area and already got rear-ended several times!! I'm not even surprised the only accidents Google cars get into is when other cars hit them!

      Autonomous cars mandatory ASAP!

      I LoL'd. New to the SF Bay Area we we took a wrong turn ending up on the cable car rails and where we shouldn't of been. While even in a hurry to get back to where we were suppose to be, noticed we had 4 or more cars that had followed us (as lost as we were).

    5. Re:AUTONOMOUS CARS NOW!!! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      Yes, just like ALL cars are STILL REQUIRED to be PRECEEDED by a man carrying a FLAG.

      Oh, no, wait, they're not, because progress.

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    6. Re:AUTONOMOUS CARS NOW!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wont someone please think of the children?!

    7. Re:AUTONOMOUS CARS NOW!!! by kheldan · · Score: 0

      'Progress', huh? How is taking people's choices away from them progress? How is expecting people to get into a box on wheels that they have NO direct control over other than a voice interface and maybe a red 'Emergency Stop' button (all of which may not do anything at all in a real emergency where the entire system is malfunctioning) 'progress'? Sounds like being sent to a living Hell to me. I don't care how many times I get moderated down to -1, I am not going to change my opinion: There will never be 'autonomous cars' that have NO manual controls because it is inherently unsafe. Likewise there will never be unlicensed sole occupants of said 'autonomous cars' because it would be inherently unsafe. The whole goal of this 'autonomous car' nonsense is, ostensibly, to make transportation safer for everyone, and not having a trained, tested, licensed human being available to be the last failsafe backup system to guide the vehicle in an emergency is an inherently unsafe way to design a vehicle, and so far as I'm concerned anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot and I don't give a damn what anyone thinks of that.

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    8. Re:AUTONOMOUS CARS NOW!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      An entirely subjective analysis of your rant leads me to believe that the rest of us will be safer if YOU don't drive. I'm willing to bet you're one of the 80% of motorists who drive better than average, right?

    9. Re:AUTONOMOUS CARS NOW!!! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I like this troll template, and expect to see many more examples of its use in future slashdot episodes.

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    10. Re:AUTONOMOUS CARS NOW!!! by kheldan · · Score: 1

      I'm willing to bet that you're one of the really shitty drivers that causes accidents all the time because you're the type that complains about other drivers more than anyone else. Meanwhile while I've been in a few minor accidents over the course of driving for the last 35 years I'm not the one who is screaming to 'ban human drivers', which of course is utter and complete nonsense, will never work, will never happen, because I know the 'bad drivers' are a small majority and most people behave themselves on the roads just fine, and that shit happens and getting all spastic over that fact just shows how immature someone really is.

      There will never be driverless cars. There will never be cars with no manual controls. Untrained, unlicensed people will never be allowed to be the sole occupant of any so-called 'autonomous car', ever. You're all living in a childish fantasy world in your heads, and it will never be. Get over it and grow up already.

      Are you the same people that keep voting for more and more restrictions on everyones freedoms in the name of 'security'? I wouldn't at all be surprised if you are.

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  3. Self driving cars... by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 2

    I'm going to love self driving cars. I will never own one, they'll have to tear the steering wheel out of my cold dead hands, but pranking self driving car owners will be funny as hell: https://xkcd.com/1559/

    1. Re:Self driving cars... by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      Just think, you can finally be a huge dick to people on the road without worrying whether they've got a gun and a temper!

      Oh wait, they might still have a gun and a temper, and now they don't need to have either hand on the wheel while they're trying to fuck you up.

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    2. Re:Self driving cars... by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 1

      Just think, you can finally be a huge dick to people on the road without worrying whether they've got a gun and a temper!

      Oh wait, they might still have a gun and a temper, and now they don't need to have either hand on the wheel while they're trying to fuck you up.

      A gun and a temper? Think of making this upgrade to your driverless car::
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      ....except with a remote control... or better yet, autonomous (and yes, it would run Linux).

    3. Re:Self driving cars... by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Not just pranking. Car robbers would be delighted by a self drive car's willingness to stop if they get an accomplice to stand in the way.

    4. Re:Self driving cars... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, the main goal of any technological achievement is to allow douchebags new venues to express themselves. Everyone knows that.

  4. One question ... by scunc · · Score: 1

    Are they able to automatically drive you to your ball after you tee-off, or does that only come with the deluxe package?

    1. Re:One question ... by tomhath · · Score: 3, Funny

      The submersible option is only available in the deluxe package.

    2. Re:One question ... by tehlinux · · Score: 1

      badum-tsshh

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  5. I doubt it by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Driving on a golf course is a relatively trivial problem to solve compared to driving on a road. Low speed, predefined routes, predictable conditions. Aside from putting some sensors on the cart to stop it running into something or someone, some basic navigation functionality and what to do in low power / fault scenarios it doesn't have a huge amount of complexity to worry about.

    A more pertinent question is why is this being done at all. Are people so fat and lazy that they can't even drive a golf cart now?

    1. Re:I doubt it by khr · · Score: 1

      ...predictable conditions...

      That assumes it's not a golf course that supports a high school golf team.

    2. Re:I doubt it by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Any golf course that can afford lidar controlled golf carts can afford security guards to stop the riff raff from getting in too.

    3. Re:I doubt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even more pertinent, why don't you raise your own cattle/fix your own car/build your own house?

      Too fat and lazy, AMIRITE?

      Or could it be that convenience and fun are more important to you?

    4. Re:I doubt it by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Driving on a golf course is a relatively trivial problem to solve compared to driving on a road. Low speed, predefined routes, predictable conditions.

      Have you ever been on a public golf course?

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    5. Re:I doubt it by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Driving on a golf course is a relatively trivial problem to solve

      For crying out loud .. nobody is looking at this for a fscking golf course:

      As seen in a YouTube video, the carts transported 500 people along winding paths in public gardens in Singapore while autonomously navigating and watching for obstacles such as pedestrians and animals.

      The carts picked up people at 10 stations in the gardens. They traveled at a maximum speed of only 24 kilometers per hour, so that the computers had time to process all the obstacles.

      This has nothing to do with golf, and everything to do with smaller vehicles as a testbed for the damned technology.

      I know nobody ever read the fscking article ... but at least read the fscking summary.

      And if you honestly think golf carts are going to follow pre-defined routes to known locations on a golf course, you've never played much golf.

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    6. Re:I doubt it by businessnerd · · Score: 1

      I don't think they are planning on using these on actual golf courses. As you may know, golf carts are not used exclusively for golf. Any resort, or business with a large "campus" uses them to move people and objects around. Think about something like a large movie studio with lot of enclosed acreage and lots of different buildings that people need to get to and from relatively quickly, all while navigating through tons of foot traffic and other vehicles. There are even some gated communities (and even small islands) where people get around primarily by golf cart. The nice thing about these settings is that you don't need to go very fast (e.g, all under 25 mph) so there is a much lower margin of error. Getting hit by an autonomous golf cart is much less serious than an autonomous car. This will allow them to get into real world service sooner than an autonomous road car and hopefully, provide all of the wonderful data and lessons learned to the autonomous road car effort.

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    7. Re:I doubt it by kirkb · · Score: 1

      It's not a terrible idea. Golf is one of the only scenarios where it's somehow okay to hand somebody a set of keys and a bottle of beer at the same time. Self-driving cars could help clean up some sticky liability and risk issues with underage drivers, drunk drivers, bad drivers, etc.

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    8. Re:I doubt it by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Golf courses, parks, it doesn't make a damned bit of difference. Compared to an open road it is a trivial problem and hardly transferable. And yes carts can follow predefined route even in open spaces - arrange the map as a hierarchical series of graphs that allow a cart to calculate a route from one node / graph to another. Doesn't matter if the path a is windy or not, doesn't matter if it's a fairway or a road.

    9. Re:I doubt it by DrXym · · Score: 1

      The only place you might see vehicles in the forseeable future that legally permit drunk / impaired passengers is on closed circuit tracks - airport transfers and such like where the car doesn't even have a wheel. There are far many situations on the open road where a self drive car would screw up or require a human to takeover to seriously contemplate it being legal there any time soon.

    10. Re:I doubt it by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Not a golfer, but I remember a few courses dad took me on restricted the carts to paved paths and 'just off it' to park. I assume they didn't want their greens messed up.

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    11. Re:I doubt it by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Any golf course that can afford lidar controlled golf carts can afford security guards to stop the riff raff from getting in too.

      You're assuming that the golf team isn't also coming from an exclusive private high school.

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    12. Re:I doubt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's so trivial, why don't you build one? We'll give you a week.

      Oh, you don't actually understand the meaning of the word trivial? Sorry, my bad.

    13. Re:I doubt it by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Reading comprehension please. The clue is in "compared to an open road".

  6. The market for this by gila_monster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A month ago, my department at work held a golf outing (I did not attend, but they are remarkably popular here). Over 70 people participated. Over the course of that Friday, three golf carts were rolled, one badly enough that the driver ended up with a broken arm and had to be carted to the ER.

    Several engineers are now permanently banned from that course, and we may end up not having any more golf outings. So there is definitely a market for self-driving golf carts.

    The downside, of course, is that they may well end up designed by the idiots who rolled them in the first place.

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    1. Re:The market for this by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      If drinking was taking place then as long as the engineers are within the Ballmer Peak when they design the self driving carts there will be no issues.

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    2. Re:The market for this by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      A month ago, my department at work held a golf outing (I did not attend, but they are remarkably popular here). Over 70 people participated. Over the course of that Friday, three golf carts were rolled, one badly enough that the driver ended up with a broken arm and had to be carted to the ER.

      Several engineers are now permanently banned from that course, and we may end up not having any more golf outings. So there is definitely a market for self-driving golf carts.

      The downside, of course, is that they may well end up designed by the idiots who rolled them in the first place.

      It's actually remarkably easy to roll a golf cart. The center of mass is exceptionally high - it's basically the center of mass of the people on board (the battery and motor of a golf cart do little to lower it).

      And high center of masses on a relatively narrow base mean it's really quite tippy and trivially easy to roll, especially if you go over a hill too quickly.

      An autonomous golf cart may actually have enough sensors to detect when the center of mass is about to exceed its base and try to correct that situation.

      Of course, that assumes the engineers behind it understand basic kinematics...

    3. Re:The market for this by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Millions of people drive golf carts every week and don't crash them. I think the problem is that the engineers that work for your company are idiots. Or they were driving drunk, which is pretty much the same thing. Sorry to be the one to inform you of that, honestly with that evidence you should have been able to reach the conclusion yourself.

      And seriously, they carted him to the ER? It was within golf cart distance? Or was that just an inappropriate choice of words? Maybe the problem isn't limited to the golf crowd at your job...

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    4. Re:The market for this by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

      It's proven most weekends, that golf is just an excuse to go drinking; either at the '19th' hole, or via that second golf bag crammed with ice and beer. But given the preponderance of lawyers, judges, and even cops playing, you'll rarely see DUI checkpoints at the nicer country club parking lot exits.

    5. Re:The market for this by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but remember, you're talking about engineers. These are the sort of people who say, "I wonder what happens if I..."

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    6. Re:The market for this by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      And seriously, they carted him to the ER? It was within golf cart distance? Or was that just an inappropriate choice of words? Maybe the problem isn't limited to the golf crowd at your job...

      It's a known turn of phrase at least in American English. 'Hauled off' would have also worked, 'carted off' tends to imply an ambulance to me. IE he was treated as cargo. Then again - being carried off a sporting field after injury seems appropriate:

      http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...
      http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...
      http://www.cincinnati.com/stor...
      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08...

      There's a fairly good chance that he was indeed carted off, at least initially - by another golf cart.

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    7. Re:The market for this by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Well, the obvious solution is to stick to the paths intended for the golf carts in the golf course. Assuming the people who laid it out the course aren't idiots, the slopes on the paths are not going to be steep enough to roll a golf cart.

      I'm sure the problem is that they were out there hooning the carts, and yes, if you're being stupid it's pretty easy to tip one.

  7. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think the difference of $30k in sensors vs $80k is going to make much a difference in the research stage. The idea is to create an autonomous CAR, not a an autonomous golfcart. No one wants an autonomous golfcart. Typical wasteful research spending on things people don't ever want.

    If you want to design an autonomous car, start with a car.

    1. Re:Why? by tomhath · · Score: 2

      Many resorts (and resort towns) use golf carts for transportation. They would be perfect for moving people around to the beach, golf course, spa, shopping, etc.

    2. Re:Why? by bob_super · · Score: 1

      Most major cities have average driving speeds well below a golf cart capabilities.

      Replace all the traffic lights by computer-driven "real-time overhead video and algorithms let you keep going when there's just the right amount of time", and you may actually get to your destination a lot faster.
      Some games are getting really good at letting huge crowds cross paths without colliding. All you need is to convince humans to surrender the control (and not drive a vehicle 2/3rds the size of the road). In pedestrian areas at the center of cities, there's not reasons why you couldn't do it with golf carts.

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then get a golf cart and drive it with your hands. This would use used by max 900 people if they got it working. Who cares? People want autonomous cars. No one is clamoring for golf carts. Give me a break.

    4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I take it you've never been to an RV park before. Must suck to be you. But if you had, you'd realize that one of the big issues at RV parks are golf carts. Most of them rent them out to vacationers. Trouble is, they then proceed to be idiots and break just about every rule in the book, no matter how strictly the RV park enforces them. The popular thing is to hand the keys to a 10 year old "because it's just a golf cart". Heck, some of the parks have even taken to "pre-fining" (hard to get money out of someone afterwards) visitors and refunding the fine after they return the cart should they not have done anything idiotic in the meantime. Even that doesn't seem to phase the morons.

      Of course, the best solution would be to get rid of the golf carts, but they're a great source of revenue. The next best solution would be to remove the steering wheel and gas pedal and have the golf cart drive to the destination. All of a sudden, even a 5 year old can operate it safely!

      But, according to you, the RV parks I've seen with this problem own every single golf cart in the world, because they had at least 900 between the five of them.

    5. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are simply wrong.

      Yes, autonomous cars are probably more important, but that doesn't mean nothing else in the world is important. Also this could be a stepping-stone project. Which is literally what the article is about.

      "Nobody wants space travel, they want interplanetary colonies!"

    6. Re:Why? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      So I take it you've never been to an RV park before. Must suck to be you.

      I take it you regularly frequent RV parks. Must really suck to be you.

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  8. I would never use one.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    One of the many joys of golf is having a few beers and recklessly driving the golf cart.

    1. Re:I would never use one.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not going to mention names... Some very well known race car driver used to use rental cars when travelling the race circuits. He told me he would only drive around in first gear, and one time while on the freeway, did a maneuver where the engine/transmission broke loose and fell onto the road. So, I can see why they want to take golf cart driving away from nefarious people.

  9. I'm telling ya, smart money is on blow up dolls by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    and Wigs.

    See article on /. of Autonomous Cars and bombs

  10. Self-Driven Factory Carts by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

    Many assembly factories (especially car factories) already have completely autonomous carts driving around specialized car parts. This allows the factory to use one line for every flavor or add-on of the car since the cart will bring that particular piece Just-In-Time the technician at that post needs it. This is probably much more complex that golf carts driving around a golf course.

  11. "Only irons allowed." by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    "Step aside, humanoid. Playing through."

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  12. Old news? by recharged95 · · Score: 1
  13. This is just one piece of the puzzle by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 2

    Here's how I envision the gradual expansion of these technologies.

    On the one hand we will have the open network; the public roads. Over the next two decades we'll see more and more automation integrated into our cars. Within 10 years we'll have the first vehicle-to-vehicle traffic negotiation devices show up. These will initially negotiate with the road signs, traffic signals and other vehicles. Within 20 years these devices will replace the signs and signals. The red light will be on our dashboard. The speed limit that currently shows on our GPS will have the force of law. At first the driver will be assisted by the automation technology. The computer will only take over when the driver is about to crash or run someone over.

    Gradually the computer will take more and more of the driving role. It will park itself. It will brake at intersections. It will let off the brake when the light turns green (but the driver will press the gas to move forward). It will control the speed of the vehicle so the car can't go too fast. If an emergency vehicle approaches the car might pull off the road to let it pass.

    In the meantime automation technologies will be integrated into private road and off-road networks. Golf carts will almost certainly be used in such a network. Standardization will allow industry to designate closed roads for moving goods between buildings and then within industrial parks. Then someone will want to connect the industrial park with the airport or seaport. Maybe they take a low use rail line and convert it to a closed road. Cities will probably close off downtown areas to non-automated traffic. People will hail a "cab" to get around downtown and use mass transit to travel outside the city.

    As the technology advances the closed and open road systems will start to interact. You might drive to the airport but have your car drop you at the gate and then find a place to park itself. You go shopping and your car pulls up so you can load the groceries. In perhaps 30 years time the industrial system and the public system will be mature. Eventually we reach a tipping point where we just switch everything over to automated transportation.

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    1. Re:This is just one piece of the puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to have left out the dystopia at the end where everything is a flaming, radioactive mess?

  14. In the rough ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If these self driving carts can find my lost balls (that sounds awkward) I'm all for it!

  15. Controlled vs uncontrolled course by Firethorn · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, the factory has the ability to 'control the course' much better and shouldn't have to worry about drunk workers on the floor doing stupid tricks. They can also do things like embed direction lines in the floor(or even the ceiling), so the pathing is simpler.

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  16. What is wrong with stereo vision? by aberglas · · Score: 1

    Why all these fancy Lidar systems? What is wrong with stereo vision. Full vision is a tough problem, but basic stereo was worked out decades ago. Have to cameras pointing in the same direction, recognize common features in both pictures (the tricky part), do a bit of trig (easy), and you know exactly how far away they are.

  17. Child Labour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Growing up near numerous golf courses as a child in Philadelphia Pennsylvania I was forcefully exploited having to drive and park golf carts .....Damn it was sooo fun! and anyone who plays or has played golf knows that the driving the cart is at least (possible beer included) the most fun they will have all week.

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