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New Cellphone Surveillance Safeguards Imposed On Federal Law Enforcement

Earthquake Retrofit writes: The NPR website has an interesting story that the Justice Department says it will beef up legal requirements for using cell-site simulators. It includes a rare picture of the device and refers to them as dirt boxes. From the story: "Under the new policy, federal investigators will be required to get a warrant from a judge demonstrating probable cause, in most domestic criminal probes. Agents will need to explain to judges how the technology is being used. And they'll be directed to destroy volumes of bystanders' data 'no less than once daily.' 'This policy is really designed to ... try to promote transparency, consistency and accountability, all while being mindful of the public's privacy interest,' said Deputy U.S. Attorney General Sally Yates."

46 comments

  1. Impossed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What an imposition!

    1. Re: Impossed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stingray is only useful for non permit cases. If you have a permit you can get the info from operator.

  2. Frosty piss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Is all law enforcement will give about these guidelines.

    1. Re:Frosty piss by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      These regulations only apply to federal agencies. State and local police, who perform the vast majority of surveillance, are not bound by these rules.

    2. Re:Frosty piss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These regulations only apply to federal agencies. State and local police, who perform the vast majority of surveillance, are not bound by these rules.

      Yep, I'll wager that the Feds will "outsource" all questionable operations to the locals.

  3. Key Words & Tricky Phrases by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In this case, the word is "most"...

    So, who wants to bet that in future the overwhelming majority of uses will, purely coincidentally, not fall into the area covered by "most"?

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    1. Re:Key Words & Tricky Phrases by pr0t0 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, maybe I'm a cynic (realist?), but I can't help but think this will have a net-zero effect on the current surveillance state in which we are living.

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    2. Re:Key Words & Tricky Phrases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Another keyword is "federal" agencies. No accounting for the state and local agencies that use the equipment.

      captcha: declines

    3. Re:Key Words & Tricky Phrases by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting

      To hell with the wording .. I simply refuse to believe they'll obey it.

      They'll do what they want, and claim jurisdiction. The local cops will still do it. If they get told they can't do it they'll demand the phone company does it for them.

      Unless you start putting these clowns in prison with the rest of the crooks, simply telling their obligation under the law will not do a damned thing. They no longer care what the law says, only what they feel they should be able to do.

      So I'm going to say the wording is irrelevant in the face of agencies who will continue to say "don't give a fuck".

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    4. Re:Key Words & Tricky Phrases by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      which simply means that all "investigations" will be done as a federal/local/state partnership, rather like drug investigations today. It will change nothing.

    5. Re: Key Words & Tricky Phrases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What one must learn to speak is newsworthy govt double speak. Propaganda in short. When a proposed law is 'proclaimed', it is simply the code for, do whatever it takes to get around our problem (room full of attornies, "matter of national security, still investigating", ie one law for thee-one for me). Meanwhile if the sheep in the barrel swallow it, it will make us look like heroes when in fact we are the actual wolves in sheep's clothes.

  4. New window dressing gives the appearance of privac by disposable60 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bet this little dance does nothing but make it harder to prove your rights were ignored in pursuit of your conviction.

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  5. You're pirates. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hang the code, and hang the rules. They're more like guidelines anyway.

  6. So what by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    Given that the local Barney Fifes are still allowed to use them (and still lie about using them), makes this decision the equivalent of a thousand angles dancing on the head of a pin.

    1. Re:So what by ausekilis · · Score: 2

      ...equivalent of a thousand angles dancing on the head of a pin.

      I bet they're all acute too....

    2. Re: So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't be obtuse!

    3. Re: So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't be obtuse if you didn't do an one-eighty on your position!

    4. Re:So what by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      I bet they're all acute too....

      to a certain degree, yes.

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    5. Re: So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had enough of this tangent, sining off now.

  7. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A source in the police department, in a reaction to this, stated: "Mouhahahahaha". After this our reporter was arrested on obstruction of justice charges. The police officer was laughing so hard while peeing on the constitution some of his urine missed his target. The police chief had the following to say when defending the bravery of his underlings: "Huh? wha? Peeing on the constitution in the line of brave police work should be praised or would you like your children be savaged by strangers! We do it for the children".

    1. Re: In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Peeing on the Constitution in defense of liberty is no vice!

  8. Re:New window dressing gives the appearance of pri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're right, the old system was better? Fuck off you jaded piece of never happy shit, and take your little grey cloud with you. It's a step in the right direction. At least someone acknowledges the issue.

    What kind of argument is that?
    "I acknowledge that our sect might have raped and killed children in the past but now we only slit their throats. This is progress!"

  9. misleading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only applies to feds, not local or state LEOS

  10. Still very much Unconstitutional... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Need a WARRANT for this shit. I don't give a damn what any of the Courts said on the subject, per Marbury v. Madison, they're to be ignored because their rulings are VOID. The Fourth Amendment's blindingly explicit and this shit? It violates it all to hell, just like the FISA court does. And it won't stop until people turn around and tell the fuckers "ENOUGH!"

    1. Re: Still very much Unconstitutional... by afidel · · Score: 1

      Uh, the policy says they need a warrant and that it can't just be a rubber stamp "we're doing phone surveillance" warrant, but that they must explain what they are doing to the judge in detail. This should be the policy nationally and I for one plan to push my state Rep to make it law in my state.

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    2. Re: Still very much Unconstitutional... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, the policy says they need a warrant and that it can't just be a rubber stamp "we're doing phone surveillance" warrant, but that they must explain what they are doing to the judge in detail. This should be the policy nationally and I for one plan to push my state Rep to make it law in my state.

      I know...
      But that's not the practice now?

    3. Re: Still very much Unconstitutional... by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Policy? No, it should not be a "policy", if they want any legitimacy at all it should be a FELONY to not do so. Policy doesn't cut it for this kind of power with such difficult or impossible real oversight.

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  11. This has always been illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would a policy will make any difference? Policy is like the weather.

    Law enforcement regards the law as something to be applied to other people...

  12. Like "self regulating" industries by Bugler412 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Basically the justice department is reacting in much the same way as private corporations when threatened with a new stricter regulatory regime, they trot out symbolic but ineffective "self regulation" regimes that look good on the surface, but effectively change nothing. It's all a PR game to avoid real regulations that protects the constitutional rights of citizens.

    1. Re:Like "self regulating" industries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's a PR game, but they face very little danger from "real regulations." Who exactly do you think would be enforcing said regulations?

      Dear god, the captcha was "empowers."

    2. Re:Like "self regulating" industries by Bugler412 · · Score: 1

      In theory, the judicial system, but.......

    3. Re:Like "self regulating" industries by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Thats not the whole story though. It depends on which regulatory regieme. When threatened by ONE, they may do this.

      However, when they are threatened by many different ones simultaneously (say the individual states of the US) then they see an even bigger threat than regulation.... differing regulations. Nothing fucks up the bottom line like having to duplicate effort for incompatible procedures.

      So they do that sure, but they also begind direct lobbying for higher level regulations, since they only want to have to bribe one agency, not 50.

      So, maybe if a handful of states could draft very different and stifling regulations.....

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  13. Yup by bagofbeans · · Score: 5, Informative
    Per EFF: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/09/finally-doj-reverses-course-and-will-get-warrants-stingrays/

    First and foremost, without a statute or court decision giving this voluntary policy the force of law, there will be no consequences if law enforcement agents flout its terms and continue using Stingrays as they haveâ"without warrants. With only this policy shielding us, thereâ(TM)s nothing keeping warrantless Stingray evidence out of court, and therefore nothing to deter agents from behaving badly.

    1. Re:Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention IT'S NOT JUST A SEARCH OF THE SUSPECT! It's a search of everybody in a given area that the device has been setup.

  14. Second Amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How are you going to "put these clowns in prison" when they have the military and a three trillion dollar budget? Why should they listen to you or care about your little opinion?

  15. They don't care about law, let alone "policy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "volumes of bystanders' data 'no less than once daily."

    This is a simple governmental policy which has no real legal force, there is a proven history of government agencies wholesale ignoring clearly stated law, let alone policy. I don't know if they're still doing it but a few years back there was a controversy regarding the firearm purchasing background check system. They (branch of FBI I believe) are required BY LAW to destroy the records every month or so, this was put in law specifically to prevent it as being used as a round about way of creating a national firearm registry. They openly said they would not destroy the records and were keeping them indefinitely, no doubt specifically because they hoped that policy would change and they could use the records to as the basis for a registry.

  16. I want to see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Deputy U.S. Attorney General Sally Yates's dirt box!

  17. These aren't new safeguards. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The safeguards already existing in the US Constitution, the highest law of the land. Data CANNOT be collected without a specific court order.

    This is a back-door attempt to legitimize their circumvention of that law, and any person who swore to uphold the constitution as part of their hiring process or inauguration should be fired or impeached, as appropriate.

    Captcha: sketchy

  18. I wonder by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

    I wonder how many local police departments will now be receiving "donated" Stingrays with the "undocumented" proviso that when national LEOs need it, the local department will deploy it and collect the data. You know, a local department that they just happen to have a data sharing agreement with.

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  19. Ugh. by meeotch · · Score: 2

    How did we get from "the Constitution enumerates the powers of the federal government" to "we do whatever we want, unless and until we decide to invent our own rule telling ourselves not to" ?

    1. Re: Ugh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It all began at Runnymede in 1215 with the Magna Carta which was crafted to protect the rights of rebelling English barons and the Church from the tyranny of Crown. Archbishop Langton drafted it, and subsequently, the Pope Innocent III helped revoke it because no one followed it. The Baron's War ensued, and subsequent kings renewed a watered down version, in much the same way that the US Congress funds its budget with temporary resolutions.

      The corrollary is FISA which came about after FBI's illegal post-WWII collusion with AT&T was outed in the 1960s. The intelligence agencies have never ceased developing surveillance technologies or deploying them, regardless of the Constitution and always under the banner of patriotism.

      Secrecy provides the ultimate flexibility: morally, ethically and legally. That much is apparent when a lawsuit against NSA surveillance can be repelled by a federal court because it, "can't know whose phone records were collected."

  20. DRT (not dirt) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The company that makes this box is DRT (now owned by Boeing). I find all of the negativity amazing. Google and Microsoft know what fetishes you have and when the last time you lied to your boss about being home sick. Amazon knows when your toilet is broken and some zit faced sysop at Verizon has a thumb drive with naked pictures of your mom. But heaven forbid the local cops capturing your IMEI when you happen to drive down the block of a Crack house.

  21. beef up legal requirements? No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that the Justice Department says it will beef up legal requirements for using cell-site simulators.

    That's hogwash. It's an internal guideline and it explicitly states that it's not legally binding and that there are no consequences to be feared.

    Which is in itself is obfuscation since law enforcement is pretty damn sure already bound by existing laws and warrant requirements.

    So basically it's rather openly an "if you proceed like that, we don't want to have it on record" or "here's when to use parallel construction" regulation.

  22. Bystander Data? by Agripa · · Score: 1

    Why does the bystander data need to be destroyed unless it was collected as allowed by the warrant? Are they issuing warrants to collect bystander data? What probable cause allows that?