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Moot Sells 4chan To 2channel Founder Hiroyuki Nishimura

An anonymous reader writes: A year after stepping down from the day-to-day running of the site following a mass user rebellion over moderation issues, Christopher 'moot' Poole has transferred ownership of the once nefarious 4Chan to 2channel founder Hiroyuki Nishimura. “Hiroyuki is literally the only person in the world with as much if not more experience than myself in running an anonymous, large destination community that serves tens of millions of people,” Mr. Poole said in an interview. “He’s the great-grandfather of all of this.”

88 comments

  1. First time I first hear of something on Slashot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    First time I first hear of something on Slashot!

  2. Merge Math by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    That averages out to "3 Chan".

    1. Re:Merge Math by Quasimodem · · Score: 1

      You could add them together and get 6Chan, multiply and get 8Chan, divide and either get 1/2Chan, or right back to 2Chan, Dealer's choice!

    2. Re:Merge Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as he doesn't change the letters, I don't want to find that for some reason he's moved /d/ to /Ñ/ or something like that.

    3. Re:Merge Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      '4 to the 2nd' - four squared - sounds more appropriate... and the result is bigger.. so that's automatically 'better' right?

    4. Re:Merge Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Screw it, Let's just call it Jackie Chan.

    5. Re:Merge Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw that; if they want to continue to be Offensive, call it "Charlie Chan".

      (It is pointless here to say who was better as Charlie Chan, Warner Oland or Sidney Toler, but Keye Luke forever rules as Number One Son.)

    6. Re:Merge Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump Chan and Casino.

    7. Re:Merge Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That isn't funny unless you can make it equal 34.

  3. How much money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it was sold, there was a price I presume?

    Not that it really matters, everyone has left 'halfchan' anyway.

    1. Re:How much money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given than mootykins got 7 digit offers half a decade ago, it's probably not chump change.

    2. Re:How much money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He got his 30 pieces of silver over a year ago.

    3. Re:How much money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >everyone has left 'halfchan' anyway.

      haha, no.

      I really want to stop using 4chan but 8chan isn't all that appealing as a replacement. 8chan genrally feels unpolished and most boards get less traffic than 4chan's /po/. Also, there are too many boards discussing the same subject. Hurray for fragmentation.

    4. Re:How much money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of those kinds of sites are for millennials, noobs and eternal Septemberists.

    5. Re:How much money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      luggage full of hotpockets

  4. Context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2ch's founder also owns 8chan.

    1. Re:Context by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      No, Hiroyuki provided some assistance to the owner of 8chan, but he doesn't own it.

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    2. Re:Context by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frederick Brennan (Hotwheels) owns 8chan as far as I know.

  5. commentsubjectsaredumb by Falos · · Score: 2

    2channel is similar technically, culturally, and even lineage'ly. It's 4chan's big brother. I don't know anything about Nishi, but my impression is that he's the sort who is familiar with the nature of the beast, as opposed to some suit who though buying 4chan would be a great captive (lol) audience.

    Not that I'm saying "why is this news" but it doesn't seem like they should expect any dramatic changes just yet.

    1. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The new owner has a history of very shady business.

      This isn't his hobby, so I expect 4chan users will be sold left and right in the name of profit.

      Relevant: https://i.4cdn.org/g/144286030...

    2. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's good news, because since mootykins left, there has been fear that he was going to sell to a TLA.

    3. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >there has been fear that he was going to sell to a TLA

      Yeah this is just fantastic, instead of getting data directly they have to pay a small fee.
      That really makes you feel safe...

    4. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      culturally
      That was maybe true between 2003-2005, and on smaller boards, till 2009, but the site outside of those periods is an absolute 180 from 2channel culture.

      4chan now is an anti-Japan meme-hating shitposter site filled with anonymous cowards. (I realize the irony, I had an account and too lazy to remember what it was since I stopped using it actively in like 2012)

      There are very few boards of worth left on there. And that is only because the userbase have kept up the same elitist attitude from the early days.
      Or in the case of /f/, has a higher level of entry to post since you can only post flashes, and most of 4chans userbase are literal potatoes with hands and feet that don't even know how to save webpages, never mind flash files. Telling them how to view source files would be like hacking to them.

      Ever since the Anonymous days took over in 2006 as an actual movement and not a joke, the site fell to ruin.
      Moot can go on and on about how he made the site for anonymous discussion, but everyone who matters knows it is complete bullshit.
      He made it for IRC and forum buddies to hang out in. Nothing more. RIP Raspberry Heaven.
      How he can even pretend he made it for that reason without even a smirk shows how much of a dick he has become in recent years. (and I mean the bad kind of dick, not the funny dick friend)
      He is no longer the moot everyone knew and loved (hated), he is no longer moot.

    5. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

      Someone might have confused with 2chan (rather than 2 channel). Both japanese. 2chan copied the name from 2 channel.

    6. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You got a real big bug up your butt about Gamergate don't you.

    7. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 0

      He didn't make a value judgement, /gg/'ers are so easily offended. I'll rephrase it a bit so your reply can at least be relevant for someone.

      2chan seem to get bored faster so you don't get cringeworthy never-ending shitstorms like GamerGate coming out of it, which has managed to be an even more embarrassing mess of inflated self importance and myopia than Chanology.

    8. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Aw, someone still thinks that GamerGate has anything to do with 4chan.

      Here's a hint, pally, GamerGate is a name. That's all it is.

      The corruption in video game journalism isn't new. This is an industry where the only journalism published about it used to be by the console manufacturers themselves. The issue is that it never grew past it. Now we have private publishers taking underhanded deals from developers. The incident that coined the name GamerGate is just one of them.

      GamerGate is just a new name for an old problem. Gamers have been mad about poor video game journalism ethics for literally decades.

      It isn't a 4chan thing. It isn't a new thing. It isn't misogyny.

      It's here to stay. The issues that GamerGate highlights have excited since video games became a thing. Only two things are really novel about GamerGate: the name, and the tactic of smearing gamers as "misogynists" by those defending the status quo.

      Now go back to PC House and shout about how I'm not checking my privilege or whatever it is you PC Bros do in your free time.

    9. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by interval1066 · · Score: 2

      4chan now is an anti-Japan meme-hating shitposter site filled with anonymous cowards.

      On /b/, yes. And worse. Much worse. Like pretty sick worse. But not so much on the other sub boards. There can be some pretty interesting discussions on those. And I'm not so sure there's a down side to hating memes.

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    10. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know exactly what he was thinking and am familiar with his posting history. I said HE had a bug up his butt because anytime there's anything VAGUELY related he brings Gamergate up.

    11. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      well, /pol/ is trying to summon an ice demon to kill the syrian migrants.

      --
      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
    12. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one cares.

    13. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I care. Corruption needs to be extirpated. Not just because I'd like to be able to trust the gaming media, but because corruption spreads.

      Note for example how the Wikipedia article is full of lies, misrepresentations, mistaken chronology and blatant bias, most of it supported by references to sources self-interested in maintaining the status quo. But isn't that Wikipedia, the encyclopaedia anyone can edit? Hah, the article is locked and you cannot edit it unless you log in (so the settled-in horde can harass you and easily roll back your corrections).

    14. Re: commentsubjectsaredumb by loufoque · · Score: 1

      /v/ is not 4chan.

    15. Re: commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's rushing the frat PCA bro. Check his creds at the door.

    16. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one cares, still.

    17. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Ever since the Anonymous days took over in 2006 as an actual movement and not a joke, the site fell to ruin.

      But since Anonymous is still a joke, that means 4chan is fine.

    18. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For someone who says no one cares, you sure seem to care.

  6. anonymous ? not so much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Last time Hiroyuki Nishimura was involved in managing an "anonymous" board he ended up selling the its users data.

    1. Re:anonymous ? not so much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sauce?

    2. Re:anonymous ? not so much by Sibko · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's a basic summary of this guy and the events around 2ch:

      2014 2ch takeover incident
      -In 2012 the rights to 2ch were given to Jim at Racequeen Inc. Hiroyuki announces he is no longer the admin of 2ch, but still remains the defacto admin behind the curtains .
      -2ch ran a service where anons payed approx 35 US dollars so they could post on 2ch if they were banned or couldn’t post because of their ISP (similar to the 4chan pass)
      -this service helped pay for the server fees
      -August 2013, the service gets hacked. Those who registered to the service had their names, address, credit card numbers/security codes leaked. comment info was also leaked, people were able to search the 2ch archives and find out who posted what using the leaked comment info.
      -It was also discovered that Hiroyuki was sending other personal info of posters to companies outside of 2ch.net
      -After the hacking incident Hiroyuki is unable to pay for the server fees because the 2ch pass service was shutdown.
      -On April Fools day Hiroyuki announces that 2ch is being taken over.
      -The leader of the coup Jim fires the janitors, sizes down operations, upgrade the servers, and improve other things to accommodate the anons who were neglected under the Hiryoku administration.
      -Jim becomes the new admin of 2ch.net

      -Hiroyuki retaliates by creating a new anonymous message board 2ch.sc. 2ch.sc is just a clone of 2ch.net. It literally copies and pastes all the posts on 2ch.net to its message boards.

        2ch.sc allows thread simulator blogging (copy paste blogs) which have been a problem in the past and were outlawed on 2ch.net

      Why did hiroyuki create 2ch.sc ?

      Hiroyuki (Mirai Kensaku Brazil) had signed a contract with a data mining company named Hotlink and sold them the personal data / user comments from 2ch.net.
      -After the server take over by Jim, and the fact that Hiroyuki no longer had the rights to 2ch.net, he was no longer able to give the data mining company the data, so he created the clone 2ch.sc to fulfill Hotlinks contract.
      -Since it wasn’t a contract with Racequeen (Jim) , Jim stops the servers from sending the user comment data and other personal info to hotlinks servers. He also prevents hiroyuki’s 2ch.sc from copying comments by blocking its requests.
      -Anons of 2ch discovers that Hiroyuki also had money ties with the thread simulator bloggers who were racking thousands from PPC ads and advertising by laundering comments from 2ch

      Hiroyuki didn't just sell user information, he encouraged janitors to ban posters so they would purchase more passes to get around the bans, and he had certain political viewpoints censored and banned after being paid to do so.

      I can't imagine /pol/ existing for very long under Hiroyuki, and the already rampant viral/guerilla marketing taking place on /v/, /vg/, and /g/ is probably only going to get worse.

    3. Re:anonymous ? not so much by pario · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: I was briefly involved in the management of 2ch.sc.

      This summary is at least unfair if not quite inaccurate. Hiroyuki's claim back then was that he paid a substantial amount of money to cover the costs of the servers, but Jim demanded more. Also, there is no evidence that Hiroyuki sold user data. He was just selling the right to use publicly available data for data-mining.

      It was rather sad to see that people are bashing Hiroyuki based mostly on FUD like this "summary." I lost much of my interest in anonymous discussion boards because they are full of paranoid thinking. I just wish Hiroyuki good luck.

  7. Dirty mootles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bring back Snacks!

    1. Re:Dirty mootles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Snacks is still there, lurking and spamming his shitty radio show.

    2. Re:Dirty mootles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      W.T. Snacks will give you AIDS.

  8. Seriously by Dunbal · · Score: 0

    and nothing of value was lost

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    Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    1. Re:Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except 4chan at its best was decisively brilliant and funny. It was one of the last bastions on the web of the old BBS days, and it was amazing the sense of community you could build from anonymous posts. It was one of the last strongholds against the corporatization of the web.

      And it was also mismanaged at nearly every turn, like most popular websites, forgetting it was little more than a platform for its users. Moot started towards self-aggrandizement with the publicity 4chan got and killed off most things that made it great.

      Like /. in its prime, 4chan shaped the face of the web where a true market place of ideas could take place, but is now sadly out of step.

    2. Re:Seriously by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

      If you want to feel old, consider that that was like 15 years ago, as old as the kids on 4chan WERE at the time.

    3. Re:Seriously by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

      Also, you're wrong. What was cool about 4chan is that it is anonymous. "Management" is the opposite of anonymous.

      Then it got too popular and lost the advantage of a quirky culture and became whatever random American teens are, which is still a bit interesting to see unconstrained by identity.

    4. Re:Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So sez the guy responding to AC. o.0

      What made it cool was it had just enough structure to make it usable, but was largely user defined. Even with popularity, 4chan was large enough to accommodate the fringe and mainstream without being too bulky or fragmented. Different boards shined at different times, but it was all under the big tent.

    5. Re:Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you can create your own Anonymous BBS. There are few hunderds such BBSes, most popular is 8chan (8ch.net), which is basically BBS + Reddit (you can create your own boards, but most users use the existing ones).

  9. You've just been sold out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hiroyuki was the owner of 2ch, to dodge some taxes or some shit from Japan he gave the domain to Jim Watkins but still remained as the informal owner. After people discovered Hiroyuki was selling data and a lot of other shit, Jim took over and kicked Hiroyuki from 2ch and did some things to make the site better, later down the road 8chan partnered with 2ch because Jim and Hotwheels are friends.

    http://pastebin.com/CJPHJSmC

  10. 4chan is for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    You are all cows. Cows say moo. MOOOOO! MOOOO! Moo cows MOOOO! Moo say the cows. YOU /b/ COWS!!

    1. Re:4chan is for cows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lolcows

  11. can you imagine the harassment? by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

    moot was probably harassed in ways us mere mortals couldn't even dream of

    i would have sold too. anyone would have

    most angry users probably protested moot's new moderation in acceptable ways

    but, being 4chan, a sizeable amount probably protested in ways we don't even want to know human beings can treat each other short of actual violence

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    1. Re:can you imagine the harassment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be scared shitless to run anything that's constantly in the news about: trolling and pushing people to suicide, random posts of child porn on certain boards, at least one judge being doxxed. The mods do an amazing job of keeping such a tide of shit at bay, but it still has a negative impact on peoples perception (the go to place for psychos and weird shit).

      This is all in a few boards on 4chan, the rest are dragged down by association.

      Your name is tainted from even being associated with something like that, and those examples are just what I remember clearly.

    2. Re:can you imagine the harassment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be scared shitless to run anything that's constantly in the news about: trolling and pushing people to suicide, random posts of child porn on certain boards, at least one judge being doxxed. The mods do an amazing job of keeping such a tide of shit at bay, but it still has a negative impact on peoples perception (the go to place for psychos and weird shit).

      If that was true there wouldn't be those spikes of traffic when it hits the news.

    3. Re:can you imagine the harassment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you talking about Facebook or 4chan? I can't tell!

    4. Re:can you imagine the harassment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have anything to substantiate that? I figured he just wanted to cash out, personally.

      4chan was not normally the victim when it came to trolling and moot was their leader. So even if that's true, and we have no evidence for that whatsoever, I'm going to have to see that as a "live by the sword, die by the sword" type of thing.

    5. Re:can you imagine the harassment? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      in the gamegate/ fappening thing moot started moderating/ censoring more, and there was a huge blowback

      https://encyclopediadramatica....

      moot was their leader

      LOL

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    6. Re:can you imagine the harassment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you retarded?

    7. Re:can you imagine the harassment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Outside of seriously egregious things on 4chan, he really didn't need to set up a moderation policy at all. It kind of took care of itself.

  12. Now if only by gman003 · · Score: 1

    Dice would sell /. to someone who actually understands it.

    1. Re:Now if only by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't worry . . . as soon as Dice understands what /. is all about . . . they will sell it . . .

      --
      Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
    2. Re:Now if only by steveg · · Score: 1

      If they can find a buyer. I thought I heard they were already looking.

      --
      Ignorance killed the cat. Curiosity was framed.
    3. Re:Now if only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just imagine this:
      An Online Community that has lost its way in Corporate Shuffles.

      Just imagine this:
      A Hard Core of Editorialists in this Community who choose to deliberately drive quality into the dirt. But why...

      Just imagine this: ....

      Just imagine this:
      Profit.
      ********************

      Slashdot has a certain cachet that no other Online Community has. If its value can be driven into the dirt, and then somebody with the necessary Vision and Moola can then pick it up cheap...

      The funny thing is, I can write out a check and buy Slashdot outright, right now- Lock, Stock, and Intellectual Properties. But for the Best Deal, I want to see just how far it can be driven so low. This is how I bought now vintage Ferraris.

      AC for obvious reasons. But the Savvy Insiders know how to contact me. And no, I am not Cowboy Neal.
      ******************
      Oh, this particular captcha is too bloody fucking obvious: procure

    4. Re:Now if only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mark Cuban reads /.?!

    5. Re: Now if only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please tell us what the obvious reasons are. Only obvious reason I can find is that you are a liar.

  13. I'm guessing that /pol/... by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 1

    ...isn't taking the sale of 4chan to a Japanese national too well?

    1. Re:I'm guessing that /pol/... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The better part of /pol/ moved on when moot last attacked the board. Those who didn't leave then will swallow whatever their SJW mods tell them to.

    2. Re:I'm guessing that /pol/... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think they "moved" anywhere, there is nowhere to move to. They just accepted they're powerless and shut up,

  14. All trolling by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure there is no person named "Christopher Poole"

    The name is a combination of 4chan jokes too unpc to even print, one racist and one to do with child porn.

    1. Re:All trolling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pool's closed due to nigger AIDS.

  15. Goodbye 4chan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4chan is kill
    Long Live 8chan,
    Long Live Hotwheels.
    Forever may he Ride, Shiny and Chrome.

  16. I was wondering .... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... why all 4chan's posted images suddenly appeared as big, blocky pixels.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  17. I have a nice shiny nickel. by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 1

    Email me :p

  18. The end of the beginning of the end for 4chan! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About bloody time, too! I could see that 4chan's days were numbered when Moot stepped away from it. Suck it, losers of 4chan! Your Festival of FAIL will now come to an end. Guess you'll have to grow up, take a shower, and come out of the basement into the sunlight finally. At least half of you will turn to piles of dust on the ground when you do, and nothing of value will have been lost -- just like 4chan itself. Today is a New Day; the Internet will become a less shitty place with a tightly-controlled 4chan.

    1. Re:The end of the beginning of the end for 4chan! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      u mad tho?

  19. Other reasons he chose Nishimura by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He wasn't a newfag and he could triforce.

  20. DVDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4 Chan is gonna be destroyed. You guys don't know wha he did to 2 Chan

    1. Re:DVDs by kheldan · · Score: 1

      4 Chan is gonna be destroyed. You guys don't know wha he did to 2 Chan

      ..and nothing of value was lost. Good riddance to it.

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  21. 42 by jpellino · · Score: 1

    I mean, c'mon.

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  22. Slash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the creator of those sites developed them in Arkansas after being introduced to Slash dot and its "anonymous cowards"

  23. 2channel or 2chan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait aren't there two large anonymous Japanese boards that are antecedants to 4chan? 2channel and 2chan; 4chan is more like 2chan than 2channel

  24. Permalink please by phobot · · Score: 1

    Can the author please update the article with the permalink to the news - http://www.4chan.org/news?all#...

  25. Real reason: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He got a girlfriend. Bye Loosers.

  26. care level = 0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those sites seem to just be full of pedofile material anyways..