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We Asked Doc Searls: Do Ad Blockers Cause Cancer? (Video)

A whimsical headline, but not much more of a shark-jumper than some of the talk we've heard lately from ad agencies, online publishers, and others who earn their living from online advertising. Doc Searls recently wrote a piece on his personal blog titled Beyond ad blocking — the biggest boycott in human history. Naturally, we wanted to ask Doc to expand a bit on what he's been writing about ad blocking and advertising in general. So we had a fine conversation about online advertising -- ending with a challenge to the advertising industry, which Doc says should be looking for ways to produce better, more effective, and less annoying ways to sell to us online.

116 comments

  1. Fuck video articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, what a waste of time for what could easily be written down. Doubly funny because its an article about ad blockers, and the only reason anyone does video is that it's easier to monetize.

    1. Re:Fuck video articles by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You might want to block the auto-loading of movies. I just get a big empty rectangle that I have to scroll past. Not even close to being as annoying as some video playing without me actually asking it to.

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    2. Re:Fuck video articles by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I just get "not encoded for your device", which is funny. Maybe my final de-installation of Flash a few months back is to blame?

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  2. Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do Ad Blockers Cause Cancer?

    No. But videos on Slashdot do.

    1. Re:Cancer by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Not to mention animated ads.

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    2. Re:Cancer by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      That's actually a true statement. If you open a slashdot page with a video that instantly plays and makes noise, it could result in you getting fired for slashdotting on company time, meaning you lose your health insurance, and if you get cancer at the same time, you can't pay for treatment, and the cancer spreads. Videos kill!

    3. Re:Cancer by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Ads are a cancer upon the net, and ad blockers are a cure for that cancer.

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  3. trolls, all the way down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did your ad-blocker block the Hide/Show Transcript link ?

  4. Bad apples by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The bad apples are ruining it for the good apples. The good apples should get together the define good ad standards and enforcement procedures, otherwise nobody will get apples.

    1. Re:Bad apples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bad apples are ruining it for the good apples. The good apples should get together the define good ad standards and enforcement procedures, otherwise nobody will get apples.

      What do apples have to do with ad blocking? You are weird.

    2. Re:Bad apples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about people who only want oranges?

      Fuck apples.

    3. Re:Bad apples by grimmjeeper · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, I hate it when that 95% of them ruin it for everyone else.

    4. Re:Bad apples by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      clockwork for you

    5. Re:Bad apples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as a "good ad".

      If a website needs ads to survive, that is a sign that is offers nothing of value and needs to die.

    6. Re:Bad apples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're comparing apples to oranges.

    7. Re:Bad apples by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Bad analogy. But if we have to use food analogies, it's like us sorting out the non-marshmallows in the breakfast cereals. Mostly because we actually only want the marshmallows, but they don't give us them without the other crap that we dump.

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    8. Re:Bad apples by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Down with the 95%!

    9. Re:Bad apples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about people who only want oranges?

      I'd like a pear please.

    10. Re:Bad apples by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I hate to defend we advertisers, but this doesn't really make sense here. Even if the "good apples" (hahaha, yeah right) actually got together and decided on standards for web advertising, such as no flashing, no pop-ups, no pop-unders, no auto-starting videos, etc., how exactly would they enforce this?

      It's not like it's that hard to code up a pop-up ad. Any decent programmer could probably figure it out in a few hours, even if they don't know JavaScript, and in a few days put together a working ad system using pop-ups and serving ads from someplace.

      How would an industry consortium prevent this? Kick out anyone who does it? Oh no! I've been kicked out of the advertisers' club! So what?

      The only way this kind of thing could be enforced is by government regulation, and sending in police to physically seize domains and servers found to be violating the law (as this standard would have to be enacted into law for this to happen). And even this is problematic since the web easily crosses national borders.

      This is why ad-blocking is popular: there's little chance the government is going to step in and fix it (and why should they?), there's no feasible way for advertisers to police themselves (even if they were so inclined, which I don't think they are), and it's easy enough to just use a technological solution to block almost all ads.

      At this point, the only way advertisers are going to get past the ad-blockers is to either buy them all off (which won't work because someone will just fork the existing ones, as we've seen several times now), or resort to serving ads from the same domain or even server as the web page.

    11. Re:Bad apples by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Whoops.... "we advertisers" is supposed to be "web advertisers".

    12. Re:Bad apples by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      Whoops.... "we advertisers" is supposed to be "web advertisers".

      BUSTED!!!!

    13. Re:Bad apples by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      It's how entertainment and media companies survive. What's your alternative model? I don't mind "normal" ads, it's the pop-ups, flash, and JavaScript-dancy crap that cause most the grief. Serve up only HTML and static image ads that don't show gross stuff like rotting toenails, and few will complain.

    14. Re:Bad apples by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      It's how entertainment and media companies survive. What's your alternative model? I don't mind "normal" ads, it's the pop-ups, flash, and JavaScript-dancy crap that cause most the grief. Serve up only HTML and static image ads that don't show gross stuff like rotting toenails, and few will complain.

      The main purpose of advertising is to overcome the effect of dissatisfied customers who spread their dissatisfaction through 'word of mouth'.

      So companies that have to advertise a lot have a lot of dissatisfied customers.

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    15. Re:Bad apples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think government enforcement is needed. What about if mainstream websites only advertised through some WAA association, then wouldn't non-WAA advertising and therefore non-WAA websites be far less lucrative?

    16. Re:Bad apples by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      How so? What's to keep someone from advertising through a non-WAA vendor? It's not like website viewers can tell the difference.

  5. Impressive by Dominare · · Score: 1

    I followed the link to his blog and he managed to be patronizing inside the first three sentences. That's certainly efficient I guess.

    1. Re:Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!

  6. For me it is way beyond advertising... by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use Ad-Block's element-hiding add-on to get rid of not merely ads, but various other elements I dislike — including the incessant newsletter sign-up invitations, footers full of legalese, persistent "navigation" menus, "share-bars" and "article-tools" (thank you, I can increase the font without your little icon), weather-widgets, "related articles", "back-to-top" (seriously, who needs these on a desktop??), "next" and "previous" arrows — all of that crap...

    In fact, I'm addicted. Upon coming to a new (or recently redesigned) site, I must clean it up before reading. Web-browsing without AdBlocker is just scary nowadays. And revolting...

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    1. Re:For me it is way beyond advertising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Ad-Block's element-hiding add-on to get rid of not merely ads, but various other elements I dislike

      Ssshhh.... don't tell APK.

    2. Re: For me it is way beyond advertising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many sites, after you clean out all that crap, are left empty?

    3. Re:For me it is way beyond advertising... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      I spend a lot of time removing crap from webpages.
      sadly, this breaks things due to wildcarding a bit too much.

      but I love having control over what the page renders to. in fact, it was the main idea behind the separation of content and format. the wizziwhig (lol) idiots broke the web when they refused to understand the CONCEPT of a tagged language that gets rendered to the USER'S liking, not the PUBLISHER's.

      damn.

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    4. Re:For me it is way beyond advertising... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Do hosts files cause cancer? No, but they seem to cause schizophrenia and general insanity.

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    5. Re:For me it is way beyond advertising... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I spend a lot of time removing crap from webpages.

      That fastest way to do that is to cancel the ISP.

    6. Re:For me it is way beyond advertising... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I use Ad-Block's element-hiding add-on [adblockplus.org] to get rid of not merely ads, but various other elements I dislike
      In fact, I'm addicted. Upon coming to a new (or recently redesigned) site, I must clean it up before reading.

      You sound like you have some serious OCD issues. Have you tried doing the same with uBlock (or better yet uBlock Origin)? And have you thought about publishing your filters so other people can have a more enjoyable web experience? If you're going to go to all that trouble, you might as well share it!

    7. Re:For me it is way beyond advertising... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Isn't that what GreaseMonkey is for?

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    8. Re:For me it is way beyond advertising... by mi · · Score: 1

      I don't know, what "OCD" means in this context. No, I don't want to publish my filters for they aren't sufficiently generic anyway. They will allow people to know, which sites I frequent, however.

      The first step is to disable all of the "whitelists" in Ad Block-supplied filters. You know, the items shown in green — which are, what bigger sites have paid Ad Block authors to whitelist. You can do that by applying sed(1) to remove disabled=true to the ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/adblockplus/patterns.ini (while Firefox is not running)...

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    9. Re:For me it is way beyond advertising... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Why bother with that, when you can instead install uBlock Origin which doesn't whitelist anything, and even better, uses a fraction of the RAM of ABP? ABP is very inefficient; that's why everyone's switching to the uBlock stuff.

  7. Mozilla Firefox with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... AdBlockPlus
    Ghostery
    Greasemonkey
    HTTPS Everywhere
    NoScript
    Privacy Badger

    Because running code on somebody else's computer without consent is trespass to chattels.

    NO TRESPASSING!

  8. who actually clicks on online ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just who are all these people???
    I have *never* clicked on one on purpose. (Only the accidental--it scrolled under my mouse while still rendering and I was trying to click on what it covered--clicks).

    I'm betting the typical /. crowd user isn't the type to click on them. But who really are? Do people just think "shiny, flashy thing--must click!" ??

    I just think "annoying, go away, ignore, brain must filter out better, update adblockplus filter list".

    1. Re:who actually clicks on online ads? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I clicked on the ad on Slashdot for a robotics kit, I thought it would be a great Christmas gift for the kids. Unfortunately they were all sold out though.

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  9. Re:Linux Journal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the actual fuck?

    Intelligent, reasonable people are now considered extremists?

    Dumbass

  10. Yup! by khr · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yup, I'm sure Ad Blockers can cause cancer. Just the other day I saw an ad "beat cancer with one weird trick" and followed it and paid and now I won't get cancer, but all those people who blocked the ad will!

  11. I never bothered with ad blockers until ... by tchuladdiass · · Score: 4, Informative

    One day, I had a Slashdot page still opened in my browser, locked my screen, went to lunch. Came back to complaints that my computer was annoying everyone in the office -- delayed auto-playing video ads were the culprit. So thanks to Slashdot (and me wanting to keep my job), I now have adblock installed.

    Oh, not to mention the 3 times in the past I got a nasty computer virus due to an infected ad network. These are now no longer a worry.

    1. Re:I never bothered with ad blockers until ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NEVER leave slashdot running in a browser. The Flash everywhere is GUARANTEED to muck up your computer and cause all kinds of weird browser errors, including ones that hang around in the background long after you closed the main window (if you left slashdot open long enough, that is).

      I find it hilarious that so many people here talk about the use of ad blockers. I'm pretty sure Slashdot is guilty of the kind of thing that app store guy was who claimed to be charging advertisers money to buypass his paid ad-block software.

    2. Re:I never bothered with ad blockers until ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Similar story, but with Nexus. I like to keep a window up with a few tabs to watch the 'recent mods' lists for a few games. I was fine with the animated banner ads, but then they added in random-play videos. Not just video ads, the first video segment will be an ad, then it would cycle into some Taiwanese news story or something. I didn't mind the quiet video of lynxes in a zoo, but the time I had 5 pages playing different music videos after coming back from the bathroom was when I hunted down a couple adblock systems.

    3. Re:I never bothered with ad blockers until ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One day, I had a Slashdot page still opened in my browser,

      This.

      On my particular day, there was a red/blue blinking "ADULTS ONLY" ad on the slashdot page (this was about 12 years ago). I forget what the ad was for, but I do remember having to explain to a co-worker who happened to be peeking over my shoulder.
      I've been a fervent ad blocker since then.

    4. Re:I never bothered with ad blockers until ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why didn't anyone press the mute button on the keyboard?

    5. Re:I never bothered with ad blockers until ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never run Flash by default. Just don't. Use an add-on that makes you click to run it; anything else is a security disaster, and you will get owned.

  12. Re:Linux Journal? by TWX · · Score: 1

    Slashdot has always interviewed, reported-on, and catered-to extremists. Richard Stallman, Eric Raymond, Eric Levenez, Linus Torvalds, even people on the opposite side like those associated with the MPAA and RIAA have been interviewed.

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  13. Here's my response by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    On 3 different computers, 85% of the time on a non-computer related video there was an ad for a Windows 10 driver update tool aka complete and utter malware. Google allows and completely supports this. If you type "HP support" or "Sony support" or "Samsung support" or "dell support" into Google, you get paid ads for scam services in India who are pretending to be the company and then ripping people off. So fuck internet advertising. It's useless, abused garbage and nobody is ever going to do anything to clear it up. I'm going to keep blocking ads until the end of time. You ruined it for your industry.

  14. Re:Linux Journal? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    http://interviews.slashdot.org...
    http://interviews.slashdot.org...

    http://slashdot.org/tag/interv...

    I would say many that are interviewed could be said to be extremists of one kind or another.

    Here's one heck of an extremist:
    http://slashdot.org/story/07/1...

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  15. Coren22 "eats his words" AGAIN (lmao) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: He demands proof of me yet says he needs to show none per his blowhard windbag hotair http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> Hey, blowhard wannabe bullshitter - how come you REFUSE to provide proof of your bs here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & from me in the parent post to that link above? You demand it of me, I produce it - you DON'T... "inquiring minds want to know", lol... apk

  16. That ship has sailed, ads are dead. You killed it! by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Before we get the whining from the ad peddlers: YOU killed your golden goose. Not us. YOU killed it off yourself with the proverbial greed that the story about the original goose conveys.

    There were ads and we accepted them as part of the deal. They were non-intrusive and they didn't bother us too much. We thought "fair vs. fair" and didn't block them. Yes, there were always the ones that block anything and everything "on principle" but the majority of those that knew how to block didn't. And the others didn't block because, well, they had no idea how to.

    Then ads got more obnoxious. Maybe because too few clicked them and you wanted more, more, MORE! They started to flash and cause seizures, they started to play loud music, they started to pop up, pop under, pop your eyes out. And people who knew how to block them got fed up enough to do so.

    But it took even more effort on your part to be obnoxious invaders of our space to actually drive those that didn't know anything about blocking to find out about it. And that's something, you know? The average Joe Randomsurfer puts up with a lot. A LOT. Before the average computer illiterate starts asking his friend about his computer "being weird", it usually means that there are SO many browser addon bars installed that you can't even SEE the actual webpage anymore, and starting it means clicking away like a dozen or two windows popping up from some crapware he managed to step in. THAT is what he WILLINGLY puts up with! That does NOT bother him.

    Do you have a FAINT idea just HOW MUCH you have to piss someone like this off for him to bother trying to find out how to block it???

    And you did that. You managed to piss people off enough who put up with obnoxious browser plugins and on-start popups. That's a feat and a half.

    And there is nothing, literally NOTHING you could possibly do to make them uninstall it. You can promise what you want, you can threaten how much you want, they don't give a shit. It takes a herculian effort to move them and get them to do anything, you will not get them to remove their blockers.

    And you most certainly won't get anyone who at least has a remote idea of computers to do so either.

    You cannot provide your content without ads? Ok. Shut down, the next one offering it is around the corner.

    We don't need you. You needed us. You pissed us off. Now be a good little ad asshole and die already!

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  17. Re:Linux Journal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's an old man sliding into dementia.

    Double Dumbass on you!

  18. And maybe make products people want... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    That will cut down on the need to advertise. That products nobody sane really wants get heavily advertised for is no surprise, and the advertising is the lesser unethical thing there.

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  19. Re:That ship has sailed, ads are dead. You killed by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Could not agree more. I started looking into blocking only when the flashing and animation insanity started. Blocking was not a lot of effort, but suddenly I could find the web again under all that trash. Will keep blocking, unless they make all ads non-intrusive and they get the problem of malicious ads fixed effectively and permanently. As neither will be happening...

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  20. Re:AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. host by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoever's minus modding you isn't proving you wrong. They clearly can't. They prove you right all the more.

  21. Re:Not according to Doc Searls & Dr. Alice Kri by barbariccow · · Score: 1

    Look, I get it. You're Coren22 and you want everyone to read about you. You you you. Masochist. Now get the F off my lawn and into my hosts file.

  22. Re:Ghostery = 'souled-out' & inferior vs. host by barbariccow · · Score: 1

    Is this ironic because it's an ad? Does your ad blocker block your comments?

  23. Re:That ship has sailed, ads are dead. You killed by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    +1 Greed.

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  24. As usual troll, you're MORE than welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: ... to VALIDLY technically disprove my points on hosts adding speed, security, reliability, & anonymity http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    * :)

    I'm not SELLING anything, thus it's no ad. I don't slow you down OR infect you - I do ANYTHING BUT THAT & protect you as well as get you back speed you paid for... & you're giving me shit?

    Please... lol!

    I find it IRONIC you & those "like you", in "ne'er-do-well" trolls (lowest of the LOW online save advertisers & malware makers/botnet herders) never EVER can... lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Is that "the best you got"? It ain't much as the saying goes - & being a troll? It's no way to live your life fool... grow up! Why don't you learn to code & create something GOOD & useful as I have that does the job of not only blocking ads but TONS of other threats online, that speeds you up 2-3 ways too (unlike other "so-called 'security solutions'")? Oh, that's right - you're a troll loser with NO SKILLS in the art & science of computing, lol... how forgetful of me! apk

  25. Re:For the best adblocker (& far more)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody has really, really not understood what the problem with ads is...

  26. Ad blocking is not boycott by dumky2 · · Score: 1

    Ad blocking is not boycott, it is free-riding: using the service (getting the benefits) and refusing to pay (accepting the costs). I'm surprised there is no browser plugin to implement proper boycott.

    Boycott (properly understood) means that instead of blocking the ads and still displaying the content, the browser would block the content from loading as soon as an undesirable ad or tracker is detected.
    It could even annotate links to sites with such "bad" advertising reputation so the user wouldn't click on them.
    Search engines would soon learn to penalize such sites in search engine results, to improve customer satisfaction.

    With such a reputation system to implement proper boycott, no consumer is coerced, no consumer sees unwanted ads, and no site owner is or feels cheated.
    Of course, in reality, consumers like to get more for less (as normal human beings do) and ad blockers offer a convenient way of having the content and not pay for it. Let's just not pretend that ad blocking is honorable, or that it is analogous to boycott.

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    1. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Ad blocking is not boycott, it is free-riding: using the service (getting the benefits) and refusing to pay (accepting the costs).

      Do you think that the cost of visiting the sites with ads should include slowing down page loads and getting infected with malware?

      Thats why we block ads, thats why there is a boycott; because people don't feel that this offensive behaviour from ad brokers is an appropriate payment for visiting the sites.

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    2. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who is free-riding who? I'm of the advertisers are free-riding everyone else. They believe they have a manifest right to our attention, and that it is up to determine the terms where we get it back.

      Am I a sinner for changing the channel during commercials? Some would say, yes. To which I think I should reply, well, I must be preparing to burn in hell because my TV remains not turned on/watched for 22-24 hours a day, then.

    3. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Ad blocking is not boycott, it is free-riding: using the service (getting the benefits) and refusing to pay (accepting the costs).

      Do you think that the cost of visiting the sites with ads should include slowing down page loads and getting infected with malware?

      Thats why we block ads, thats why there is a boycott; because people don't feel that this offensive behaviour from ad brokers is an appropriate payment for visiting the sites.

      If this trend continues, and adblockers are eliminated, I still won't see their ridiculous fucking ads, because I'll find something else to do with my time. I think that is the real issue after time passes. Using the ad enabled internet is simply slow, boring, and damn near useless.

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    4. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by dumky2 · · Score: 1

      Do you think that the cost of visiting the sites with ads should include slowing down page loads and getting infected with malware?

      A question is not an argument. But if I read between the lines, you're implying that you don't like the costs (slowness, risk of foreign javascript, etc) compared the benefits. That's fine, then choose to boycott those websites.
      That means you should avoid them, just like you avoid restaurants that don't offer a worthwhile trade-off in your view. Boycott is a perfectly valid choice and I encourage it.

      Just don't pretend that getting the benefits while dodging the costs is "boycott", when it is free-riding.

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    5. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Do you think that the cost of visiting the sites with ads should include slowing down page loads and getting infected with malware?

      A question is not an argument. But if I read between the lines, you're implying that you don't like the costs (slowness, risk of foreign javascript, etc) compared the benefits. That's fine, then choose to boycott those websites.

      That means you should avoid them, just like you avoid restaurants that don't offer a worthwhile trade-off in your view. Boycott is a perfectly valid choice and I encourage it.

      Just don't pretend that getting the benefits while dodging the costs is "boycott", when it is free-riding.

      Nope, because the 'cost' thats being imposed is egregious and harmful to the public perception of advertising. It needs more push than just avoiding the websites; we the public need to impose a 'cost' on them to get them to change their ways.

      Advertising is, in itself, not an evil. The way it has been implemented on the web is.

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    6. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you agree that it is free-riding (not boycott), but it's just that you feel justified in free-riding because you feel the cost is too high and therefore they should be punished.

      I wonder if you suggest we should apply the same logic to other transactions in life. So, I don't like that CostCo charges membership, then checks a membership card at the entrance and then at checkout. I hate all this tracking and how its slows down my shopping experience. Should I feel justified to break in to get the goods/benefits and not pay the costs?

      As the example should illustrate, such position is a perversion of common-sense morality.

      Another example to show how such a position is absurd: your would-be girlfriend makes high demands (you need to get a job, clean the house, etc) which you think are too high (she's just a regular girl, you already work hard and pay the rent), so you decide to take the goods without accepting her conditions (that ought to teach her to make more acceptable demands). Well, that's called rape.

      If you don't like the deal, don't take it (that's boycott and that is an acceptable choice). But you don't take half of the deal, by taking the goods and not paying, to "impose a cost" (ie punish).

    7. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by dumky2 · · Score: 1

      Darn. Slashdot logged me out. I posted the parent comment.

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    8. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      So you agree that it is free-riding (not boycott), but it's just that you feel justified in free-riding because you feel the cost is too high and therefore they should be punished.

      I wonder if you suggest we should apply the same logic to other transactions in life. So, I don't like that CostCo charges membership, then checks a membership card at the entrance and then at checkout. I hate all this tracking and how its slows down my shopping experience. Should I feel justified to break in to get the goods/benefits and not pay the costs?

      As the example should illustrate, such position is a perversion of common-sense morality.

      Another example to show how such a position is absurd: your would-be girlfriend makes high demands (you need to get a job, clean the house, etc) which you think are too high (she's just a regular girl, you already work hard and pay the rent), so you decide to take the goods without accepting her conditions (that ought to teach her to make more acceptable demands). Well, that's called rape.

      If you don't like the deal, don't take it (that's boycott and that is an acceptable choice). But you don't take half of the deal, by taking the goods and not paying, to "impose a cost" (ie punish).

      Its more like CostCo demands that you let them infect you with influenza virus.

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    9. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      "Let's just not pretend that ad blocking is honorable."

      Are we allowed to pretend that without adblocking, the Web is pretty much unuseable? I don't see where honour comes into it.

      "Ad blockers offer a convenient way of having the content and not pay for it"

      When the intrusive ads stop you enjoying the content without a blocker, "having the content" is a bit of a myth.

      The non-intrusive sites suffer, I agree. But it's not my problem if someone pissed on their chips.

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    10. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by dumky2 · · Score: 1

      Are we allowed to pretend that without adblocking, the Web is pretty much unuseable?

      Define unuseable (for instance: how fast a page needs to load, how good the layout should be, how little bandwidth should be used). I'm sure there are plenty of sites that fit to whatever reasonable definition you provide.
      You don't have to like the entire Web, it's not yours. People provide services and either you like them or not. If you don't like them, then don't use them (boycott).
      There are plenty of parts of the web that are usable even with ad blocking. People complain that the web was "better in the old days", but there is nothing to prevent those folks from going to ad-free sites and offering their own sites without ads (or with "friendly" ads, whatever that means) too. The Web is not a single monolithic thing, but many different services and communities.

      As I was suggesting above, make a proper "boycott" plugin and only go to sites that you like. You can even customize what you like (whether it has commenting, tracking, advertising, bad content, a newsletter popup, too slow, bad layout, bad editorial policy, bad content, or whatever reputation rules float your boat). If you find parts of the web un-usable, then don't use them.

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    11. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      "If you find parts of the web un-usable, then don't use them."

      The problem is that's closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. I don't know about the others, but my adblocker is there to protect my machine preemptively. I don't want to discover the site is abusive only after the damage is done.
      I'd go along wholly with the idea of a warning system if it were a) reliable and b) somebody else's baby -- they won't be able to count on the likes of me to report abusive sites because I don't intend to be in the position of being abused.

      Surely detecting such sites automatically should be a piece of cake.

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    12. Re:Ad blocking is not boycott by dumky2 · · Score: 1

      I agree with you that, ideally, a boycott system should catch the problem before you even click on the link.
      The same way that lists of domains or url patterns get published for tools like adblock plus, it would be easy to publish lists of domains for a boycott plugin.

      Yes, this can be done automatically, and I can think of doing it without even depending on a master list: the first time you click on a link, and the browser sees you the page is no good (either explicitly by pressing a thumbs-down reputation button, or implicitly by detecting ads in the page), then the browser remembers to block this site in the future. Then you could share that list with friends or to the world.

      I'm glad for your response, as it is the first one that is supportive. My point didn't seem very controversial (ad blocking is not boycott, it is free-riding; proper boycott could be done easily).

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  27. Adblocking's protecting yourself #1/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  28. Re:Agreed: It's WHY I coded this... apk by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Thanks for reminding me that I wanted to ask for a feature: Could we make it so that we don't just browse at -/+ depending on poster but that we could also add keywords of posts we don't want to see? Like, just to pull a random example, I could set posts that contain "start64" at -5 so I would not have to see them?

    That would really be awesome!

    --
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  29. Adblocking's protecting yourself #2/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  30. SPH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know it's for the best

  31. Re:That ship has sailed, ads are dead. You killed by c · · Score: 1

    And there is nothing, literally NOTHING you could possibly do to make them uninstall it.

    This.

    The thing about ad blockers is that they're fire-and-forget. You install them, and then... nothing. They're low-maintenance and basically transparent. People don't uninstall them because they'll forget they even have them installed within a few days.

    And hoping for voluntary whitelisting is a pipe dream.

    The best the ad industry can hope for is that they fix the problem before the remaining 80% of people not using ad blockers get around to installing one.

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  32. Oh, you're SO clever... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't like what I have to say man? Don't read it or set yourself to NOT see ac posters... it's that simple & I'd think you were intelligent enough to know that! Guess not.

    * :)

    (LMAO! At this point, I'm almost sure you'll sockpuppet downmoderate me in effete "ReTaLiaTioN"... that's what you fools do, & especially after you read what's below, lol, since I have all of you here that've given me guff, CLOCKED, & I know you better than you know yourselves!)

    APK

    P.S.=> My bad on replying to you too, since I forgot I've annihilated you on hosts before too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... as well as business acumen -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... as you were talking out your ass on things you had NO CLUE on never having earned that degree yourself obviously... apk

  33. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dns blocking
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried).

    ---

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://www.businessinsider.com...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  34. You need professional help troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Since you fools can't prove me wrong & you KNOW it (hence your effete childish trolling crap).

    * You're only helping me make that point above you know... & even IF you could get some "pro" to "try me"? I'd flatten his ass the same as I do you morons, easily!

    (I love it!)

    APK

    P.S.=> It must *really* TRULY suck to be a "ne'er-do-well" do nothing troll online - I'd wager it's your life offline too, lol... apk

  35. Never going to be a meeting of the minds here. by Chas · · Score: 1

    Seriously.

    The only kinds of ads most people would look at as "acceptable" are the very types of ads most advertisers and indeed, most people looking to profit from ad revenue, would rather not serve. Why? Because there's a low return proposition on them, and they can't really mine for data (which is even more valuable than actual click-throughs) with them.

    Most people, given a choice, don't WANT pop ups, pop unders, video ads, flash ads, tracking, etc. But ad networks and content providers have such a hard-on for The Quick Easy Buck, that they don't want to serve anything else.

    So, what we get are ad delivery systems that, over time, grow more and more intrusive.
    And, on the other end of the arms race, we have ad blockers that grow ever more elaborate.

    Now, were that the extent of it, the end users would win, eventually. As a maximal number of people would eventually migrate to ad-blocking.

    But now we're seeing this sort of tracking and ad crap BUILT RIGHT INTO THE OS AND APPS from the get-go. Sure "most" of it, you can opt out of (or just forego the use of). But the actions required for circumventing these hard-coded methods become ever more esoteric and obtuse. Shutting more and more people out, while stealing more screen real-estate, more time, more bandwidth, and more peace of mind from people.

    The ad-driven, metrics/telemetry-driven consumer spying industry is a blight upon the Internet and needs to die. Unfortunately, it's like a hydra on steroids.

    --


    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!
  36. ads cannot win by aepervius · · Score: 1

    Worst case scenario you load all the ad wants , and confirm all advertising being loaded in the browser. Except it is not the browser but a VM browser which display nothing just do the actions without displaying or allowing any permanent file change, and is sanitized away from the OS. How are they to distinguish that ? Spend a lot of dollar ? ads blocker only have to stop their work around, and it is much easier than develop a way to bypass the blocker.

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    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
    visit randi.org
  37. Agreed: It's WHY I coded this... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    My MAIN reason used to be for increasing speed (which that does 2 ways, really 3 vs. inferior slower usermode browser addons) since ads represent roughly 40-50% of webpage content on major sites nowadays which slow you bigtime...

    HOWEVER:

    The REAL REASON currently, & since around, oh, 2004 when the "malware explosion online" pretty much started (I say that since my known bad sites EXPLODED in counts vs. previous years & not from finding new sources of blocking data so much, but just a HUGE increase occurred)?

    ADVERTISERS INFECTING US!

    Proof #1 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Proof #2 -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    (... & I've got even MORE evidences of it than those lists, it's just that /. LIMITS how much I can post size-wise, as well as how many links to a post - & remember, what I DO LIST? It's FAR from an all-encompassing list of those times advertisers stupidity & NEGLIGENCE has infested us with malicious crap!)

    In fact, on releasing the program shown below?

    I held off until mid 2012 (& had it built in 3 diff. character mode/"DOS"/tty term (whatever) apps before consolidating it all into 1 GUI one since oh, late 2003?) out of respect for webmasters... not anymore. They're partially responsible also.

    * So, anyone wondering WHY I created APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    ?

    APK

    P.S.=> Don't... apk

  38. Not according to Doc's Searls & Krippin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See here Coren22 -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    Still "STINGING" I blew you away every time on hosts Coren22? Yes, obviously (proofs in black & white below)

    &

    "TROLLING" behind my back like a gossipy old lady now, you "ne'er-do-well" little troll?

    OK - fine:

    I'll just show your MULTIPLE FAILS here vs. myself (you, the "by rote 'security wannabe' menial who merely uses tools that coders like myself create, & I do in security along with guides that in both cases MILLIONS use):

    ---

    Coren22 BLOWS IT on why admin privelege is used in SECURITY programs -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    ---

    Coren22 "Opens MOUTH & INSERTS FOOT" plus "eats his words" on my 2 fixes for CIS Tool with proof he demanded of me (yet when I asked of it from him? He says he "needs none" - what a bullshitter) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> You sure you want to keep this up? Everyone KNOWS you troll me on hosts which your post history also proves EASILY & you ALWAYS FAIL (see above) - so clearly?

    You are the INSANE one who likes getting his ASS kicked constantly by "yours truly"...!

    Well, as Matt Damon said to Teddy KGB @ the termination of the film "ROUNDERS"?

    "You feelin' satisfied NOW, Teddy? Cuz I can go on 'BUSTIN' YOU UP' ALL NIGHT ... lol!

    ... apk

  39. Ghostery = 'souled-out' & inferior vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ghostery do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop communique to C&C servers
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
    11.) Get you by a dns blocking
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (e.g. stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Block ads more efficiently in cpu + memory use vs. addons

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on Ghostery doing all that let alone as well as hosts do!

    APK

    P.S.=> Addons do FAR less than hosts do & FAR less efficiently - hosts by way of comparison, do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...

    ---

    Addons add complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    ClarityRay DETECTS browser addons like Ghostery & blocks them (not hosts) via native browser methods.

    ---

    What's better than ghostery by FAR?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  40. Re:That ship has sailed, ads are dead. You killed by c · · Score: 1

    Will keep blocking, unless they make all ads non-intrusive and they get the problem of malicious ads fixed effectively and permanently. As neither will be happening...

    Even if it did... how are people using ad-blockers even going to find out?

    "Please, give us another chance!" banner ads?

    That's where the "ad blocking is a boycott" theme kind of breaks down. A boycott is an intentional action which requires a certain amount of effort to maintain. Ad blocking, once you roll it out, requires no effort or even awareness that it exists. Ad blocking is more like getting out of a bad relationship by burning the photo albums, selling the house, moving to another country, and changing your name.

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  41. Re:That ship has sailed, ads are dead. You killed by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Even if it did... how are people using ad-blockers even going to find out?

    Good point. I will find out because I use several computers and not all have ad-blocking. The ones I use more rarely do not. But that is likely not the typical situation, so most people will not find out. Still a boycott. If you look at what it gave it its name, Mr. Boycott finally had to leave the country because nobody did any business with him anymore. An end to it is not necessary for a boycott. Incidentally, Mr. Boycott seems to have had business practices about as despicable and repulsive as the ad industry.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  42. Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industry? by iq145 · · Score: 1

    WHO CARES? The whole world has turned into one gigantic ad. It's sickening! We've had enough! http://news.slashdot.org/story...

  43. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do 4 speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C talkback
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C talkback
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C talkback
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (for reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoning
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dns blocks
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better vs. addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver).

    ---

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it dumping addons in use in browsers via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job by default http://www.businessinsider.com... & ABP bought out adblock http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity in a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overhead vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    AdBlock's SLOWER vs. hosts: http://superuser.com/questions...

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's safe per 57 antivirus programs in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    a 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  44. For the best adblocker (& far more)? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    FREE & not 'souled-out' to advertisers, + adds speed, security, & reliability, doing FAR more w/ FAR less, more efficiently vs. browser addons & locally installed DNS servers @ home + fixes DNS' redirect security issues!

    It obtains its data vs. online threats & adbanner blocking from 10 reputable sites in the security community!

    It SPEEDS YOU UP 2 ways (adblocking + locally cached in RAM favorites placed @ the TOP of hosts for fastest resolution speed), whereas by way of comparison, other "so-called security 'solutions'" SLOW YOU DOWN!

    It does all that using something you already have vs. "bolting on browser addons 'MOAR' in addons that's usermode slower & increases messagepassing, cpu + ram overuse overheads!

    * :)

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend".

    APK

    P.S.=> By "yours truly" - "The Lord of Hosts" so-to-speak:

    PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

    "The image this title brings to mind is of a mighty military commander, one who can at a mere word summon rank upon rank of protective power" from https://answers.yahoo.com/ques... & THAT WORD = hosts!

    (Accept NO substitutes!)

    ...apk

  45. Doc Searls agrees "I AM LEGEND" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: It's why I quote that film's character Alice Krippen from this clip on YouTube-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT from the termination of that clip: (ontop of the one I use @ the closing of my "std. post on hosts")

    REPORTER: "So you have actually cured cancer?"

    THE GOOD DOCTOR: "Yes... yes: Yes we have"

    * :)

    Makes me feel good - especially when a "notable" of sorts in this interview agrees with me saying:

    Doc Searls: "my answer to that in fact not in fact metaphorically, they cure cancer"

    GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME & "in keeping" w/ my 'theme' here...

    ---

    Sure - SOME may say "You're turning us into VAMPIRE LEECHES!!!" as Dr. Krippin's cure did (advertisers & webmasters would)

    HOWEVER:

    Advertisers steal our speed loading ads & scripts, our bandwidth, & OUR SYSTEMS' HEALTH -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comm... AND http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    Who's the VAMPIRES?

    Not I, or anyone blocking ads!

    Me??

    Hell - lol, "I AM LEGEND!!!"

    (... & the troll naysayers I have that can't ever validly technically prove me wrong know it & PROVE IT for me...)

    As one of my FILM heroes in Will Smith as Dr. Robert Neville said:

    "They're not gonna stop..."

    Neither will I - especially when I get them to "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" from validly technically proving my points wrong that show hosts do the job BETTER with less by far vs. other methods!

    APK

    P.S.=> I'm not only doing the RIGHT thing, doing right by others, but also DOING IT BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE doing more with FAR less -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    ... apk

  46. Quoting Dr. Robt. Neville "I am Legend" again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: He wishes he was me & trolls like you? "They're not gonna stop" - Dr. Robert Neville from https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Your trolling now evidences it for me.

    * I'm out here HELPING people, wtf is WRONG with you?

    (Yes, even trolls like you & yes, even advertisers (who DO use hosts files themselves no less during dev cycles of pages - & yes, probably FULLY since they know their own stuff is shit that creates MORE SHIT online, slowing us up, stealing both bandwidth & speed WE pay for, & infecting + tracking us!).

    Going to downmod this again? -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... AND http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    ?

    APK

    P.S.=> There's only 4 basic types that'd really give me guff out there over my program, & they are:

    ---

    1.) Advertiser (losing bigtime nowadays since roughly 45% of internet users are blocking them out now so they're buying up #3 below to control them with "the HOLY dollar", all THEY understand...)

    2.) Malware maker &/or Botnet Herder

    3.) An INFERIOR competitor (e.g. - AdBlock/AdBlock+/Ghostery/UBlock)

    4.) Webmaster (losing adviews money)

    ---

    Which are you?

    I ask as it's SO damn obvious you must be!

    ---

    "First they ignore you. Then they laugh @ you. Then they FIGHT you, & then you WIN..." - Mahatma Ghandi

    FACE FACTS:

    YOU CAN'T WIN - you can't even validly technically disprove my points on hosts giving users more speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity for LESS yet doing FAR MORE than browser addons do!

    All you can manage is to downmod my posts to TRY to effetely & vainly "hide them" but being my LIMITLESS self (unlike acs with 10 post a day limits)? I just repost again, nullifying your 1 'weapon' whimps.

    Yes, it's that easy.

    (Nobody SANE would give me crap over giving free added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity online as I do w/ something you already have natively that does the job BETTER on adblocking + FAR MORE for far less resources consumed)... apk

  47. I did something about online threats: & you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & this link (have you done something about it? No, troll, you haven't) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    A something that gives you more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity for FAR LESS RESOURCE CONSUMPTION & you already have it natively built in to your OS & IP stack which is smart - good engineering isn't complexity, it's doing MORE with LESS & with what you already have natively built-in as I did in my program.

    * :)

    (That's because you're a TROLLING "ne'er-do-well" who I've no doubt publicly destroyed under your "registered 'luser'" account here, hence your ac posts trolling me... truth hurt? It must - look @ your juvenile antics!)

    Clue: FOOLS like yourself actually have HELPED me (downloads of both my app & the data for it have gotten SO HUGE that Malwarebytes' hpHosts whose admin hosts & recommends my app no less had to move to :UnDDoS'able" AMAZON servers - that tell you anything? Did me - "It's working, Neville - It's WORKING!!!" per I am Legend which I quote in my posts for it!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Being a troll is NO WAY to live a life, so grow up, & do something like I have instead... oh, that's right - you "ne'er-do-well" trolls just don't have what it takes in determination or balls (you evidence this via your unidentifiable ac trolling me now in fact), let alone skills in computer programming to do so... apk