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Apple Reportedly Disables Its News App In China (nytimes.com)

An anonymous reader writes: When Apple launched iOS 9, it replaced its Newsstand app with Apple News. The software has only been available to users in the U.S., but those who registered their phones in the U.S. had no problem using the app while overseas. Now, the NY Times reports that Apple is specifically disabling the app for users located in China. "Those in China who look at the top of the Apple News feed, which would normally display a list of selected articles based on a user's preferred media, instead see an error message: 'Can't refresh right now. News isn't supported in your current region.' ... Beijing generally insists that companies are responsible for censoring sensitive content inside China. In Apple's case, that would mean it would probably have to develop a censorship system — most Chinese companies use a combination of automated software and employees — to eliminate sensitive articles from feeds."

64 comments

  1. In China by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    In Soviet China, news read you!

    1. Re:In China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese people who try to read news are getting flagged by their government, I don't see how this is off-topic.

    2. Re:In China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      When you don't know, shut the fuck up, please.

  2. SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by lesincompetent · · Score: 2

    Totalitarian regime goes hand in hand with the chinese government.
    I struggle to see the news.

    1. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      The rationalism is probably something like this: we need revenue (don't want to be banned) and people will ummm, maybe, ok-- try to find ways around the censorship.

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    2. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by geekmux · · Score: 2

      Totalitarian regime goes hand in hand with the chinese government. I struggle to see the news.

      This is news. It's called an instruction set to inform the rest of the world how NOT to act. And quite frankly, humans are lemmings who will follow the status quo, so they need that reminder more than they think they do.

      When you do not report violations of rights, those violations become the norm. Then they become accepted. Then they become defended. Then they become law. Then they become an example for other countries to follow.

      Don't give other countries the excuse.

    3. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Jailbreaks come from many places, but this is certainly one more motivator. Sad to see. Doing the right thing extends as far as quarterly profit statements.

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    4. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 5, Funny

      I struggle to see the news.

      Are you in China?

    5. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. It seems when any company IPOs, what it's really selling is its soul. (Assuming it had one to begin with.)

    6. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Turning a profit is a legal corporate responsibility. They have to do this. That said, some are able to champion ideals that even add to their cache and longevity as money-making machines. Others have sufficient amounts momentum to ignore any semblance of morality.

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    7. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by lesincompetent · · Score: 1

      I just love to play with the ambiguities of language and with the english language it's almost too easy.

    8. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Companies are obligated to obey the law. Apple is doing what they have to do. Their only alternative would be to abandon China, and leave the Chinese market to even more compliant domestic competitors. Google tried that, and accomplished nothing. Apple is not going to "fix" China, nor is any other foreign entity, and it is absurd to expect them to.

    9. Re: SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no legal responsibly to profit or even generate revenue in the United States.

    10. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Companies are obligated to obey the law.

      I really hope I'm wrong but weren't you just in a thread about Uber a few days ago and cheering them on? I really hope I'm wrong.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    11. Re:SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

      I struggle to see the news.

      Are you in China?

      China has no struggles. China is such good news, and China is good fortune cookie by excellent government policy embraced by people and Buick.

  3. Heavy handed approach? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So instead of localized news, you get no news, *at all*?

    Why even put the app there? Furthermore, why would someone not in China want the extra code to perform this check on their phone? What purpose would it serve in this case?

    1. Re:Heavy handed approach? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 3, Informative

      So instead of localized news, you get no news, *at all*?

      Yes. Because in this case, "localized news" means "doing the Chinese government's censorship for them." That's a principled stance--not the most principled stance, but Apple does need to show a profit.

      Why even put the app there? Furthermore, why would someone not in China want the extra code to perform this check on their phone? What purpose would it serve in this case?

      It shows the Chinese user what he's missing--although this may or may not have been part of Apple's intention. The main thing is this isn't about the phone, it's about where the phone is. When you take it into China, this happens. When you take it out of China, it stops happening. So all phones have the code since any phone might be taken into China (if I'm reading this correctly, it isn't code in the phone performing the check, it's Apple's News servers doing it when the phone asks for News).

  4. Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chinese tend to be very compliant people. When asked about censorship issues, most Chinese will say they appreciate their government insulating them from sensitive information as it makes them feel more comfortable.

    1. Re:Not surprising by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Chinese tend to be very compliant people. When asked about censorship issues, most Chinese will say they appreciate their government insulating them from sensitive information as it makes them feel more comfortable.

      Not quite sure you could find a more perfect definition of blissful ignorance than this.

    2. Re:Not surprising by rmdingler · · Score: 2

      Chinese tend to be very compliant people. When asked about censorship issues, most Chinese will say they appreciate their government insulating them from sensitive information as it makes them feel more comfortable.

      Of course they are!

      One would imagine a good bit of the genetic predisposition towards questioning authority has been bred right out of the populace.

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      Ernest Hemingway

    3. Re:Not surprising by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      That is a profoundly racist outlook. It's exactly the expression of a racist point of view.

    4. Re:Not surprising by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Chinese tend to be very compliant people. When asked about censorship issues, most Chinese will say they appreciate their government insulating them from sensitive information as it makes them feel more comfortable.

      Of course they will. It's not all that safe to say anything else.

    5. Re:Not surprising by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That is a profoundly racist outlook. It's exactly the expression of a racist point of view.

      No, it isn't. It is an objective observation.

      A long serving totalitarian regime, known for suppression of dissent, would invariably condition generations of its populace to avoid confronting the status quo.

      That is why Tiananmen Square was so impressive. And a massacre.

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      Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

      Ernest Hemingway

    6. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > A long serving totalitarian regime, known for suppression of dissent, would invariably condition generations of its populace to avoid confronting the status quo.

      IMHO that's not how evolution works: life finds a way... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkWeMvrNiOM

      It is even in the base of some cultures (like the one from India IIRC, about good being born from evil -- sorry, no Indian here). When facing an obstacle, evolution will create alternative paths around it.

      Also, when China becomes fully capitalist (and it's arguable whether that has already happened), old totalitarian structures might evolve into "appendices" -- only vestiges.

      Maybe you're not being intently racist, but by disregarding plausible scenarios you kinda paint yourself in a corner, even though what you say may also be plausible.

    7. Re: Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What an amazingly ignorant statement.

      Do you also expect that people might have had a favorable public opinion of the Catholic Church during the Inquisition or that it might be difficult to locate dissenters in N. Korea?

    8. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting viewpoint.

      Here is an alternative viewpoint. "Censorship" is a bigger deal with the west posting about how bad it is in China every 3-4 days then it actually is in China.
      Most Chinese dont care, they go about their daily lives and are aware the news they read isn't really 'accurate'.

      How many "mainland Chinese" in China have you actually spoken with? How much time have you spent there? Do you even own a valid passport?

      Now lets reflect on "western" news and review a critical moment in history.. The “We’re eyeball to eyeball, and I think the other fellow just blinked." myth:

      Would you say that western news, propagating the Kennedy myth was being honest? When things didnt really add up why did the "free press" not push the issue?

      Declassified documents clearly show this is not what happened, Khrushchev got what he wanted (missiles removed from Turkey) but the american public was lied to and told Kennedy "won". It sure was important to Kennedy that the Turkish missile remove be "secret" and the US refused to even write anything down as hey hammered out the deal. This is just one example of many where the western press is also responsible for fabricating the truth and pure propaganda, similar to what the Chinese press does.

      So sure, lets focus on censorship in China (a country around 10,000 miles away) and not our own issues (financial mess, unemployment..... )

    9. Re:Not surprising by terbo · · Score: 1

      >> A long serving totalitarian regime, known for suppression of dissent, would invariably condition generations of its populace to avoid confronting the status quo.

      And you are sure that conditioning has not been enacted upon you, US Citizen?

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    10. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably one of those people who will go on and on about his "second amendment rights" without even the hint of understanding any of what is outlined in : "18 U.S. Code Chapter 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES."

      Only other nations use propaganda...didn't you know?

    11. Re:Not surprising by rmdingler · · Score: 0

      He's probably one of those people who will go on and on about his "second amendment rights" without even the hint of understanding any of what is outlined in : "18 U.S. Code Chapter 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES."

      Only other nations use propaganda...didn't you know?

      Probably,

      you're a proper dick.

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      Ernest Hemingway

  5. Politics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a) different regions have different Politics; this might look awful from a freedom perspective, but that's how it is in China for the moment -- and the situation is also bad in the USA, just with different colors; in a country, it's a single party monopolizing power, in another two parties do a poor job of feigning democracy.
    b) multinationals are, well, multinational: they must adapt to whatever Political climate exists when they entry a country or region; if they cannot adapt, they cannot do business in that place;
    c) that doesn't mean everything is hopeless: to the same extent that there is the need to respect a place tradition, such place eventually learns it is on Earth and the world is shrinking: build tolerance or face the consequences (at the very least, isolation); that means we must consider each other views and values, and keeping one's way is no longer such a good idea, but improving after learning with others becomes more and more interesting.

    In summary, you may think "wow, these guys are in a bad situation!" but you can also find a place so good you'll say "why can't we have that lifestyle over here, too?". Be prepared to face the conservatives wherever you live... some people love the evil they know and abhor new good things -- exactly because they're new.

  6. 1. "..have to develop a censorship system.." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2. "..have to admit they already have a censorship system.."
    3. Pick one.

  7. If I were Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I would take a more activist approach and load up the phones with Tor, PGP, and all kinds of stuff to subvert Chinese censorship, then have the phones smuggled in via Taiwan.

    If the Maoists don't like it, I'd pull ever last assembly line out of the country and tell them where to stick it.

    Apple is sitting on 1/3 of a trillion dollars in cash. They can build 100+ factories in any other country they want, and the Chinese wouldn't be able to do shit.

  8. but their commercials say it's for free thinkers? by tommeke100 · · Score: 3, Interesting
  9. Where's Tim Cook's activism now? by unixisc · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Tim Cook is totally outspoken when it comes to gay rights, but when it comes to censorship in China, he becomes a total wuss!!! Should one be surprised? Wonder whether they recognize gay marriage in China, and whether he supports their policy on gays or not? Maybe if one brought to his notice discrimination against gays in China, that he'd make this a personal cause celeb

    1. Re:Where's Tim Cook's activism now? by rmdingler · · Score: 2
      Tim Cook's take on Chinese treatment of gays?

      Not favorable if this article on shock therapy is to be believed.

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    2. Re:Where's Tim Cook's activism now? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Well, that would probably have to be 'privately' disfavored by Mr. Cook. He's not going to take a public stand on Gay Rights in the market that hasn't been captured yet.

    3. Re:Where's Tim Cook's activism now? by ITRambo · · Score: 0

      Tim Cook cares about stock valuation, not freedom in China or anywhere else. That's his job. The dark side is strong in this one.

    4. Re:Where's Tim Cook's activism now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tim Cook is totally outspoken when it comes to gay rights, but when it comes to censorship in China, he becomes a total wuss!!! Should one be surprised? Wonder whether they recognize gay marriage in China, and whether he supports their policy on gays or not? Maybe if one brought to his notice discrimination against gays in China, that he'd make this a personal cause celeb

      Celebrity or not, Tim Cook is probably intelligent enough to know which battles are worth fighting.

      And unless you're going to walk around with the swagger and ignorance of Dennis Rodman, most celebrities don't try and portray they have the skills to tackle foreign policy or dictate law.

    5. Re:Where's Tim Cook's activism now? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Tim Cook cares about stock valuation, not freedom in China or anywhere else. That's his job. The dark side is strong in this one.

      That's interesting, given how outspoken he is on the issue of gay marriage in the US. That's why I commented. I wouldn't have said anything had he been someone quite silent on politics, like say, Bill Gates.

    6. Re:Where's Tim Cook's activism now? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Most celebrities who have been very openly outspoken on gay marriage seem to have missed your memo - at least as far as dictating law goes. They do it freely in the US, knowing that there will be no retaliation against them. But they dare not protest even more egregious offenses abroad - particularly Chinese and Muslim - since they know that they will be retaliated against

    7. Re:Where's Tim Cook's activism now? by rsborg · · Score: 1

      Tim Cook is totally outspoken when it comes to gay rights, but when it comes to censorship in China, he becomes a total wuss!!! Should one be surprised? Wonder whether they recognize gay marriage in China, and whether he supports their policy on gays or not? Maybe if one brought to his notice discrimination against gays in China, that he'd make this a personal cause celeb

      Gay rights is something he can influence, where he can influence it. China's views on censorship, not so much. In fact, it would seem that this might be more of a cause suited to Google "indexing all of the worlds information".

      I think that not providing a filtered (read: watered down) Apple News product in China is a principled choice. Once the user runs the appropriate VPN to bypass the GFW, the news shows up.

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  10. The best way to state your case against censorship by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...Is to sell computers with the warning that "News is not supported in your region."

    Chinese users will figure out how to route around the problem.

  11. Rolexes by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 0

    "The software has only been available to users in the U.S.,"

    Works fine in Canada from day one. Even includes the major Canadian newspapers and magazines.

    Nice research.

    1. Re:Rolexes by thechink · · Score: 1

      The software is only available to those who have US based accounts. They can travel the world and the app will still work for those users. The exception is China where Apple is disabling it when US users travel there.

      I live in Canada and the app is no where to be seen on my iPhone.

    2. Re:Rolexes by timmyf2371 · · Score: 1

      I'm in the UK and have an iPhone purchased here and a UK-based account. The app appeared on my phone along with the rest of iOS 9.

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    3. Re:Rolexes by thechink · · Score: 1

      Well according to Apple (scroll to the very bottom to see the disclaimer) it is only available to US users. However it was mentioned at WWDC that the UK and Australia would be getting the app as well.

    4. Re:Rolexes by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

      > The software is only available to those who have US based accounts

      Nope, my account is listed in Canada. Always has been. You're wrong.

  12. Re:but their commercials say it's for free thinker by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Those are just 'lifestyle' ads. Similar to the cowboy smoking the Marlboro cigarette.

  13. moveing the factory cost to much so we have to by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    moving the factory costs to much so we have to as china says.

    Even Mexico is to much for apple

  14. Capitalism's amorality by fnj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does Apple's News app in china display a message "the shitty masters you put up with won't let you see real news, BITCHES"? I thought not. Apple is one among many actively propping up that hide bound gerontocracy.

    "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them." -Lenin. They will also gleefully cooperate with evil bastards.

  15. Slogan by Forthan+Red · · Score: 2

    It just goes along with Apple's corporate slogan: "Evil? We're Okay With That."

  16. Re:moving the factory cost to much so we have to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well maybe Mr Trump can bring some factories to the U.S. by putting them in prisons. No need to pay $20/hour to laborers when prisoners may work for sixty cents a day. But I wonder how consumers (besides local gov emloyees) are supposed to have the money to buy anything?

    Worse than the labor issues is the matter of corporations avoiding U.S. taxes from outside operations, or shell layers. Don't expect TPP or TTIP to help. Even Hillary has come out against TPP. (NAFTA proved to be an embarassment for the Clintons)

    Australia is putting many immigrants in contractor-run prisons in Papua New Guinnea. It's surprising that they haven't been made into a hidden labor pool. It seems the island cannibals have been replaced with a new crowd.

  17. Probably not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even with China being around 5000 years or so, I don't think that is long enough to change genetics.

    It has to be cultural. Otherwise, Europeans would have been altered by the feudalism in the Middle Ages.

    More likely, culturally the Chinese are incredibly dependent on the state and high population density contributes to a lack of "personal space" and therefore a lack of freedom to be different due to the conditions.

    1. Re: Probably not by nastyphil · · Score: 1

      5000 years is plenty of time to select. Otherwise dogs.

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    2. Re: Probably not by nastyphil · · Score: 1

      5000 years is plenty time for selection.

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  18. Fog Of The Cultural Revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mind Crime.

  19. Apple needs to develop a system of censorship? by mjwx · · Score: 1

    I don't think the article is paying attention. Apple already has a system of censorship on IOS, it's one of its core features. They just need to adjust it to Chinese requirements.

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  20. Fired for refusing to do something evil? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suppose an Apple hw or sw engineer was told to do something evil, like cooperating with Chinese repression, and the engineer refused because he had a conscience. I wonder if Apple would fire him.

  21. Become as independent of China as possible by myid · · Score: 1

    Here's my best advice to Tim Cook: Make Apple as independent of China as possible. Some day the Chinese government will make a demand to which Mr. Cook will not comply (because of his conscience), or can not comply (because of US laws).

    What's the worst thing China can do, in response to Apple's refusal? Apple makes most of its money from selling hardware, so the worst thing China could do would be to stop or severely limit Apple's manufacturing in China.

    So I recommend that Mr. Cook and Jeff Williams work to find more manufacturing locations outside of Apple (they have a few now), and find more non-Chinese parts suppliers.

    They might even want to buy a shuttered factory, and start getting it ready to make Apple products if necessary. It would cost some money, but it would be insurance against the possibility of a severe crimp in manufacturing.

  22. "News isn't supported in your current region" by sabbede · · Score: 1

    Well, that pretty much sums it up, right? Perhaps Apple should rename the app to... what's Mandarin for Pravda?

  23. How do Chinese not realize that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "news" is not the problem. Imagine if we were blocked from reading articles written in China! Laughable.