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Star Trek: New Voyages, The Fan-Based Star Trek Series (nytimes.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The New York Times has published an article on Star Trek: New Voyages, a fan production that's based on TOS. “People come from all over the world to take part in this — Germany, the United Kingdom, Australia and every state in the union,” said James Cawley, the show’s executive producer. “That’s the magic of Star Trek. It’s spawned this whole generation of fans who went on to professional careers — doctors, lawyers, engineers — who are now participating in that shared love here.” With TOS fans generally being less than enamored with the movie reboots, are fan produced web series the wave of the future?

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  1. Site Streams Slow to begin with... by The+Infamous+TommyD · · Score: 2

    and now Slashdot.

    Seriously, love this reboot series. Worth the buffering every time!

  2. 5 Eps on the website by BrookHarty · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I just watched the 5 eps on the website over the last week, very enjoyable, even if fan made. They even had them in HD.

    I really wish we had a star trek series on tv, over the last year I re-watched DS9, last year I re-watched Voyager. I finished the Stargate Series last month.

    The state of sci-fi on tv really sucks right now.

    1. Re:5 Eps on the website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Star Trek NG series was epic. It represented some value ideals of our society at the time. Maybe society has changed enough that making this kind of series is no longer worthwhile in comparison to other shows / investments.

    2. Re:5 Eps on the website by ModernGeek · · Score: 2

      I wish that we'd get a Star Trek reboot based on a post DS9/VOY time period. There is just so much to work and build from there.

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    3. Re:5 Eps on the website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Star Trek Online and books kinda fill that era, so there is definitely material there already to get started. There is a lot to be done but it won't happen with current corporate structure where the goal is to maximize profits.

      Heck I'd love to see a reboot of Babylon 5 as well. Though they might fudge it, in which case I'd pretend it never happened.

    4. Re:5 Eps on the website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you feel about Defiance? I thought it was fairly well done.

    5. Re:5 Eps on the website by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Star Trek Online puts you in charge of a million ton space battle and turns it into button mashing.

      I would murder just to have the computer mildly intelligently auto-adjust the "divert power from this shield to that" crappppppola.

      Let me focus on the strategy rather than second-to-second immediate reactionary button mashing.

      This goes for all MMORPGs in general, of recent vintage. Giving everyone one or two 1-2 second microholds and smash key to break free and other immediate-reaction twitch stuff, please.

      Another hundred million dollar flop, order is up!

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    6. Re: 5 Eps on the website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you only saw five episodes then you more than likely were watching STC and not New Voyages. New Voyages has 9 full length episodes and three vignettes and two episodes in post production

    7. Re:5 Eps on the website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Star Trek Online puts you in charge of a million ton space battle and turns it into button mashing.

      But I like being a Fleet Admiral who has personally dispatched thousands of Borg with just a sword! Also, autofire = no button mashing.

      I would murder just to have the computer mildly intelligently auto-adjust the "divert power from this shield to that"

      Tactical team does that.

      Let me focus on the strategy rather than second-to-second immediate reactionary button mashing.

      I'd like to see more of that too. Some PvEs have more strategy to them, but most people don't coordinate, especially in PuGs.

    8. Re: 5 Eps on the website by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      Try Dark Matter. Decent sci-fi show.

    9. Re:5 Eps on the website by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      STO is one game that would benefit from voice recognition. It would even be "in theme" in STO's case because Captains give orders, their officers implement them.

      Imagine if you could say:

      "Tactical, Fire at Will"

      and have the "Fire at Will" skill go off.

      or: "Engineering, Emergency Power to Shields"

  3. unwatchable to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried watching one of the episodes and I could not finish it. Acting on TOS was bad, but this was just unwatchable.

    Now, Star Trek Continues had it's share of bad acting also, but was much more enjoyable to me

    1. Re:unwatchable to me... by willworkforbeer · · Score: 2

      I tried watching one of the episodes and I could not finish it. Acting on TOS was bad, but this was just unwatchable.

      Dammit Jim, it's free entertainment not a million dollar budget production.

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    2. Re:unwatchable to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy Doohan totally killed it for me. I know he is a relative of the beloved late TOS cast member and I guess they cast him as an homage/out of charity?

      It should never have been allowed in production. And he should NEVER have been allowed to try to use the same accent as the original Mr. Scott. Simon Pegg deserves to be whipped for his own take on the role, and he's a professional who manages to be funny.

    3. Re:unwatchable to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TOS wasn't a million-dollar budget production either. Memory Alpha says it averaged $190k for the first season, and decreased over the next two seasons.

    4. Re:unwatchable to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christopher "The guy Doohan" is James Doohan's son.
      To get any closer to the real thing, you'd have to bring his dad back from the dead.
      I thought he did an excellent job.

    5. Re:unwatchable to me... by fyngyrz · · Score: 2

      TOS wasn't a million-dollar budget production either. Memory Alpha says it averaged $190k for the first season

      You do understand that $190,000 in 1966 was equivalant to well over a million dollars today, right?

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    6. Re:unwatchable to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TOS wasn't a million-dollar budget production either. Memory Alpha says it averaged $190k for the first season, and decreased over the next two seasons.

      According to various inflation calculators, $190k in 1966 would be around $1.4 million today.
      So it actually was larger than a 'million dollar budget'.

    7. Re:unwatchable to me... by battie1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Star Trek New Voyages doesn't have a Doohan relative on their cast. They have had George Takei and Walter Koenig reprise their TOS roles, though.

    8. Re:unwatchable to me... by willworkforbeer · · Score: 1

      TOS wasn't a million-dollar budget production either. Memory Alpha says it averaged $190k for the first season

      You do understand that $190,000 in 1966 was equivalant to well over a million dollars today, right?

      Dammit Jim, he's an Anonymous Coward, not an Economist.
      Or a mathematician.
      Or relevant.

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    9. Re:unwatchable to me... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      My parent's house, a 2-story colonial, in 1964 was $18,500. The $230/month book of payment coupons was terrifying.

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    10. Re:unwatchable to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do understand that FOX makes that much in one commercial. How many BENGAHZI videos have made that much?

    11. Re:unwatchable to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do understand that film making is about a million times easier now than it was in 1966, right?

    12. Re:unwatchable to me... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I much prefer Star Trek Continues. The guy playing Kirk has really nailed it. The mannerisms, the acting style, everything. The stories are really, really good too.

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    13. Re:unwatchable to me... by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree more.

  4. Inappropriate use of the word "the" in title by CajunArson · · Score: 0

    Instead of "the" put in "yet another" and it's a little more accurate.

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    1. Re:Inappropriate use of the word "the" in title by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Nope. It's more like "the original" or "the grand daddy of".

      This is something that should have "popped" on Slashdot about 10 years ago.

      The NYT is basically your embarrassingly uncool parent of a teenager here.

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  5. Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    The older series didn't have enough angst for the current generation. Not enough "it's about me."

    The new stuff replaces the older, admittedly crudely done, focus on issues, with CGI candy.

    And the children, true to form, eat that shit up.

    The last good SF out was Firefly. It's all been downhill since then.

    1. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The older series didn't have enough angst for the current generation. Not enough "it's about me."

      True. Gene Roddenberry banned all of that from being covered. The crew was supposed to get along and that was that.

      You can wonder about the viability of that, let alone the hypocrisy, but that's another story. It was declared by fiat.

      The last good SF out was Firefly. It's all been downhill since then.

      Firefly, good SF, eh? Well, that was 2002. 2005 if we count the movie.

      Since then, among others, we've had the Battlestar Galactica remake, and Caprica, Defiance, Eureka, Warehouse 13, FlashForward, Continuum, Orphan Black, Fringe, the 100, Falling Skies, Lab Rats, and who knows how many in Japan and the UK, and elsewhere in the world.

      Exactly what have you seen, and what would you do to make it better?

    2. Re:Sigh by Tx · · Score: 2

      I guess it depends what kind of sci-fi you like. I happen to agree with you, most of the shows you listed are decent, plus others like Heroes, Orphan Black etc - plenty of good stuff in the last decade. However of all those shows, only BSG is primarily space-based, so if that's what you're after, pickings are a bit slimmer. Sure, there are cheap-and-cheesy shows like Dark Matter, and I'm sure others that weren't memorable enough for me to remember their names right now. Someone looking to replace the likes of Trek, Farscape, Babylon 5, Firefly, etc though might well feel there's not been much for them.

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    3. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. Gene Roddenberry banned all of that from being covered. The crew was supposed to get along and that was that.

      The crew had a command structure.

      Since then, among others, we've had the Battlestar Galactica remake, and Caprica, Defiance, Eureka, Warehouse 13, FlashForward, Continuum, Orphan Black, Fringe, the 100, Falling Skies, Lab Rats, and who knows how many in Japan and the UK, and elsewhere in the world.

      All of those suck.

    4. Re: Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno, I thought the "almost human" series was awesome. Fucking fox, though...

    5. Re:Sigh by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Stargate Universe was excellent too. What seems odd is that shows that are consistently great from the very start always get cancelled early on, like SGU and Firefly, but shows which are campy cheezefests in the early days and take a good season or two to get going (TNG, Farscape, B5) somehow get renewed.

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    6. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You must be joking. SGU was anything but Stargate. Crappy plot, no stargate type fun (you know, Jack O'Neil, Mitchel, Vala). Oh well, at least they had Tamara Johansen :P
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    7. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says you.

    8. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, the writers had a command from on-high(Roddenberry himself), no inter-crew conflicts to form the basis of stories.

      It was hard enough to get opposing views on the crew, let alone real drama.

    9. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most are from Vancouver. I like to think I had a small part to play in that, back in the early 80s. WHen I was playing places like the Yale, I turned as many people fropm Bridge studios as I could onto Asimov, Larry Niven, Hartlan Ellison , Greg Benford, The dangerous visions compilation and more. I kept bending their ears even though they said they had considered it and dismissed the idea of Science Fiction, there was just NO future in it onTV. I don't know how much I kept bending their ears, though, because there was just NADA on TV that was any good. I noticed a change about 5 to 10 years after., in the late 80s, when all the things they said would never fly, suddenly got popular. Perhaps something I said...?

    10. Re:Sigh by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      The thing is, inter-crew conflicts are unprofessional. Real teams that have to get things done don't do that. They are expected to work out disagreements peacefully, with out letting them interfear with the work. As in, doing work where mistakes cause people to die!

      All of this drama is from "Soap Operas" on television, it has warped people's perceptions. Notice that those TV shows never show anyone doing any actual work, either... 8-)

    11. Re:Sigh by doccus · · Score: 1

      Stargate Universe was excellent too. What seems odd is that shows that are consistently great from the very start always get cancelled early on, like SGU and Firefly, but shows which are campy cheezefests in the early days and take a good season or two to get going (TNG, Farscape, B5) somehow get renewed.

      I certainly wouldn't consider the examples like B5 and farscape "cheesy" And I'm really surprised you dissed TNG.. Anyways , in answer to your comment, they were signed up for multi year terms, like many other shows, especially if the producer has a solid track record. TNG's producers certainly had that. B5 was signed for the entire run of 5 seasons ,after it was intentionally closed. Not cancelled, because there was no more to it. The only one that was cancelled was the B5 spinoff Crusade, a real shame, but it was apparently too slick i.e. not enough "action" for the average plebe.. :sigh:

  6. The relevant commentary by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Funny

    McCoy: It's dead, Jim.
    Spock: Fascinating.
    Scott: I cannae get ye any mor power!
    Rand: [flashes legs, wiggles]
    Uhura: Transmission lost, sir.
    Chekov: It's a Russian invention.
    Sulu: Captain, stay away from the controls! If you touch them, we'll be destroyed!
    Kirk: There’s another way to survive (proceeds to write TekWar)

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    1. Re:The relevant commentary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first TekWar book wasn't that bad. I stopped reading after the second book however.

  7. Was going to give it a try... by NMBob · · Score: 2

    Happened to catch the first few seconds of the second episode. Captain Pike calling for saucer separation? That was dumb when TNG did it in its first episode. Maybe this was just an alternate timeline or something, but I'll stick with Star Trek Continues, thanks.

    1. Re:Was going to give it a try... by cruff · · Score: 2

      ... but I'll stick with Star Trek Continues, thanks.

      I agree, I found Star Trek Continues to be the more enjoyable fan series, in my opinion they are more like TOS and are nicely put together.

    2. Re:Was going to give it a try... by bgarcia · · Score: 1

      Here here!

      Vic Mignogna is an extremely believable Captain Kirk. I think he plays a better Kirk than Shatner. They really nailed it when casting him for the role.

      James Doohan's son does a decent job as Scotty. Michele Specht is a good actress as well as great eye-candy. The rest of the cast is weaker than the other actors from TOS (I like Mythbuster's Grant Imahara, but he's not a good actor). The production quality exactly matches TOS - from the sets to the lighting to the camera angles. I love it.

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    3. Re:Was going to give it a try... by Mage66 · · Score: 1

      Don't judge the whole series based on the second episode. It's come a long way since then. Keep watching, and you'll see the quality of the show get better with each subsequent episode.

    4. Re:Was going to give it a try... by NMBob · · Score: 1

      Roger roger. I'll choke down the second epidote and hang in there. Thanks! :)

    5. Re:Was going to give it a try... by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Saucer separation was a capability of the TOS generation, Constitution class starship. Kirk even told Scottie to jettison the nacelles and get the saucer section out of danger on two occasions (The Savage Curtain and The Apple). The saucer could only be re-connected to the nacelles at a repair dock, though.

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    6. Re:Was going to give it a try... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Considering the acting talent of Shatner, the average doorknob could play a better Kirk. That doesn't really say much.

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    7. Re:Was going to give it a try... by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Michele Specht is a good actress

      Seriously? You must be too taken with that eye candy to notice how over-expressive her face is, how robotic her lines are, and how unnatural she acts. She looks to me like someone in acting school who thinks they have to overact everything to get the point across. She is the most distracting thing on the show in my opinion because her horrendous acting takes me out of the fantasy and tells me it's just her on the stage talking to a camera.

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    8. Re:Was going to give it a try... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you like prepubescent girls, but for a 42 year old woman, Michele Specht is hot.

    9. Re:Was going to give it a try... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like beautiful women, not homely, wrinkled bags like Michele Specht.

    10. Re:Was going to give it a try... by battie1 · · Score: 1

      Seriously? I thought she was the only one of the Continues group that had any real acting ability, the rest definitely need more acting lessons.

    11. Re:Was going to give it a try... by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      Vic Mignogna is an extremely believable Captain Kirk. I think he plays a better Kirk than Shatner.

      I don't know about better (Shatner defined Kirk, after all), but I agree that he's really, really good.

      They really nailed it when casting him for the role.

      "They" didn't cast him. STC is, in fact, his brainchild.

    12. Re:Was going to give it a try... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you trolling? She's effing gorgeous.

  8. IP is not just an address on the Internet by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    It is nice to know that self proclaimed "Trekies" are taking the intellectual property that once belonged to Paramount Pictures.

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    1. Re:IP is not just an address on the Internet by battie1 · · Score: 1

      Paramount owns the movie rights, CBS owns the TV rights, and neither one seems to be inclined to work with the other. Unfortunately. :-(

    2. Re:IP is not just an address on the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you making a comment about intellectual property theft? I'm aware of two fan-produced Star Trek series and they have permission from the copyright holders to create their episodes so longs as they do not try to make a profit.

    3. Re:IP is not just an address on the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they have taken the gift offered by the copyright holders.

      It was a kind offering, and kindly received.

    4. Re:IP is not just an address on the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey dumbass, they got permission to do this so long as they don't commercialize it. You're a moron. Please do some research before throwing around accusations like that.

    5. Re:IP is not just an address on the Internet by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      It is nice to know that self proclaimed "Trekies" are taking the intellectual property that once belonged to Paramount Pictures.

      There is no such thing as "intellectual property", and you can't "take" it.

      The copyrights to TOS episodes belong to, IIRC, CBS. But these fan-made episodes are not those TOS episodes.

      These fan-made episodes might be argued to be "derivative works", but even if they are noncommercial creation and sharing of such is fair use and so does not infringe those copyrights.

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  9. Copyright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What I am still surprised at is the copyright owners don't hunt and pursue their fans and try to destroy them like so many other companies normally would.

    I just hope it doesn't happen any time soon considering the new film series that have been happening now.
    Of course, I am really hoping that these people are smart enough to use these fan projects to gauge interest in a possible new series.
    This is pretty much free research in to target markets for new products done by others.
    And since these things tend to be fairly high quality, it wouldn't even damage reputation of the series by proxy.

    This is one common issue that a lot of these companies face when they end up issuing C&Ds, they absolutely shit themselves and think a fan project will ruin the reputation of their products and dilute them so much that they becoming meaningless.
    But that very rarely happens. Stupid things like that usually end up on Fan-fiction, not actual full-on productions like these.

    Better yet are those companies that even embrace their fans works and give them an official greenlight and support for work.
    Sometimes even the actors or staff that have worked on the series have even been involved in stuff like this. And that includes some Star Trek fan series.
    These companies actually have the brains to realize their fans aren't a bunch of blabbering morons and will treat their fan-work with respect that it deserves since they are actually putting their own money on the line, or crowd-funded money in some occasions, in which case it is their own reputation on the line, which is an even bigger thing than a company trying to protect its IP.
    The whole issues of fan-work productions are self-correcting, they can't really damage a persons IP. Very very few people are stupid enough not to know the difference between a fan-work and official product, especially in the geek sector of media.

    Crytek and Bethesda are others who have allowed fan works with Timesplitters and Fallout respectively, in the gaming sector.
    Bethesda is one that is another seemingly paradoxical situation considering how their parent company tried to sue MOJANG of all people for a game called Scrolls totally being a rip-off of The Elder Scrolls.
    Crytek have said with the current Timesplitters Rewind fan-game that if it actually managed to get enough people back in to the series that they will seriously consider a full official game on PC. The quality of work on the fan-game so far is top-tier, done in spare time by a group of fans around the world.
    Fallout, likewise, the fan series Nuka Break, hilarious series, very Fallout-like in comedy, great special effects and make-up team.

    If only more companies would officially support fan-works. It really does improve relations with the fans and can even re-ignite interest in older series.
    "Open sourcing" your IPs would be an even bigger leap to improving those relations.
    Hell, even just allowing people to "hop on-board" and influence a products future can be a step in the right direction. So many companies just straight up ignore their fan-base (Nintendo!) and it just comes back to bite them in however many years time. These companies just never learn.

    1. Re:Copyright by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      What I am still surprised at is the copyright owners don't hunt and pursue their fans and try to destroy them like so many other companies normally would.

      Long ago, during WW2, a military training-film editor invented the blooper reel and the Pentagon asked to have them distributed to the troops. SAG complained that it would hurt actors' reputations and tried to ban the reels, but there was ultimately a compromise: distribution was restricted to the Armed Forces Motion Picture Network and they were off-limits to the public.

      When I was in the AF in the 1960's we had a library of blooper reels with that caveat appearing in the opening credits, and some of them were really good.

      Took the industry a long time to realize they were a profitable entertainment product.

  10. What the story really is. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    If I understand correctly, checking Internet Archive, Star Trek: New Voyages has been around since 2006, and there's lots of other Star Trek fan-based series, so I guess the real story is that the New York Times wrote an article about one of many such series?

    1. Re:What the story really is. by battie1 · · Score: 1

      According to IMDB, Star Trek New Voyages has been in production since 2004. I think the real story is that web TV series are finally being recognized as a thing by the NY Times. I think it's fitting that they would have the story be on a series that continues the theme of exploring new frontiers, and it's only natural that their story focus on the first one, since it's in their region and the article is in their Region section for the NY area.

  11. James Cawley for Kirk by pjtp · · Score: 1

    I through Cawley did a great job as Kirk and was very sad when he stepped down from the role. In fact, I attribute a lot of the series success to his portrayal of Kirk.

  12. Most fan sites suck- this is impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found this right after they finished the first episode and was floored- especially when I saw other fan produced shows offered out there. They had most things in common- horrible acting, bad filming, etc., completely amateur. This series has a lot going for it, and to top it off, the steady Star Trek regulars taking part on just about every episode. It takes them about a year or so to finish an episode but it shows and is well worth the wait. It really feels (and looks) like the original series, in costumes, props, and sets (and something else I can't quite place). Its good, even though they have gone through a few different (decent) actors as Spock and Kirk. It makes other fan-made stuff look like bored office workers trying to have a hobby.

  13. Great Web Series! by battie1 · · Score: 1

    I really enjoy this web series. They have been around since 2004, and their episodes continue to improve over time. I think this is the future of Star Trek, because Paramount seems to be more interested in just making another action film, rather than a Trek film.

  14. Andromeda by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Try watching Andromeda. I always wrote it off without watching but ended up really enjoying it. Tyr was everything the Klingons should have been. True enlightened warriors instead of playing politics.

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    1. Re:Andromeda by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      I liked the first couple of seasons of Andromeda. It was always a little campy, but it had some interesting ideas, for instance Tyr and the Nietzschians. It also had a decent ensemble, despite having the overwhelming presence of Kevin Sorbo in the center of it.

      Unfortunately, it teetered off the deep end somewhere in season three. That's what happens when your showrunner gets replaced and your star asserts his authorit-ay to alter the show.

    2. Re:Andromeda by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Sadly, Tyr was dropped in the middle of the series. The last season of Andromeda was just lame and uninteresting. Actually, the whole series was plagued with problems you you could plainly see while watching it.

      The first season had really lame intro music. I imagine that the fans complained, and a better opening theme was written for subsequent seasons. Also, the production designer remodeled the bridge at the beginning of the second season, and there was no story-driven reason for it. I suspect it was because of lower than expected ratings. By the final season, Lexa Doig, who played Andromeda, was rarely in any of the episodes, so they replaced her with a random blonde.

      Andromeda isn't the only series to suffer. I'm currently watching "Earth: Final Conflict". The first season was good, but they killed of a central character, and from that point on, all the remaining episodes seemed like filler.

    3. Re:Andromeda by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Oh man I agree with the intro and music. You keep waiting for the punchline to the joke but its completely serious.

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    4. Re:Andromeda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having never seen the show and watching the season 1 and season 2 intros, the season 1 intro is far better. The season 2 intro music just sounds corny and dated.

    5. Re:Andromeda by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Tyr wasn't dropped. The actor decided that the pastures were greener on The Young and The Restless.

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    6. Re:Andromeda by camperdave · · Score: 1

      The opening music for ST:DS9 and ST:Voyager were pretty lame. It was like you were waiting for the theme to start, but all that they played was background music.

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    7. Re:Andromeda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the case of DS9, it fit well. It is a space station after all, so it's not going to be zipping around the galaxy shooting things.

      Voyager had no excuse for anything in the entire series. That show should have never happened.

  15. The federation needs to be united. by kyubre · · Score: 1

    As both Star Trek Continues and Star Trek Phase II are fan funded, it's hugely unfortunate that they can't seem fit to combine forces and up the quality in a single concerted effort. I have a personal preference for what Vic has done with Star Trek Continues, but see merit in what Cowley is doing with Phase II. Its unfortunate that the federation remains divided.

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    1. Re:The federation needs to be united. by WillyWanker · · Score: 1

      Vic once worked with New Voyages and attempted to wrest control of the production from James Cawley and play Kirk when Cawley stepped down. When Mr. Cawley made it clear it would be a cold day in Hell before that would happen Vic ran off and made his own production, starring himself and his canon-breaking girlfriend, Dr. McKennah.

      His shills always pop up to denounce the vastly superior New Voyages at every opportunity. Vic has made it his own personal vendetta.

      So no, there is no chance these two productions will ever work together, especially since Vic and his legion of lemmings continue to badmouth New Voyages at every opportunity while the NV team says nothing ill of Continues and takes the high road every time. That right there should tell you something.

      And watching Vic play Kirk is like watching a bad comic impersonation of Shatner while on helium. Anyone who says he plays a great Kirk needs medication.

    2. Re:The federation needs to be united. by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Yes, Dr. McKennah needs to be shoved out an airlock... She is such a bad actress. Grant (Sulu) isn't a great actor either, but at least he knows how to handle a camera in his face. Michele Specht overacts so hard, I don't know why she is there except that she is probably in a relationship off screen with Vic.

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    3. Re:The federation needs to be united. by WillyWanker · · Score: 1

      Yes, Michele is Vic's real-life girlfriend. That's the only reason she's on the show. They created the character of ship's counselor, Dr. McKennah, just for her, even though we're told in TNG that ships of the TOS era did not have ship's counselors.

      Here's the #1 problem with Continues (and there are many): the magic of TOS Trek was the relationship between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. Spock is the rational mind, McCoy is the emotional mind, and Kirk is the wise mind. Each character is just as important as the other. But not in Continues. Continues is 100% Kirk, all Kirk, Kirk 24/7. Spock and McCoy are reduced to cameo appearances and a few lines here and there. There is no dynamic between them, no bond. The only one on the ship that Kirk has any kind of meaningful dynamic with is McKennah, who shouldn't even be there.

      New Voyages understands the importance of the trilogy and it shows. Yes, some of the early episodes are rough around the edges, but most are 6-11 years old at this point. The most recently released episode, Mind-Sifter, released last year, shows just how far the production has come, and it is top notch. NV shoots for 1, possibly 2 episodes a year because they want to ensure quality. Continues is pumping out episodes as quickly as they can and it shows. The editing is sloppy, the stories are a mess, and unlike NV's 50+ minute episodes (like TOS), Continues' episodes are getting shorter and shorter, with their latest release being only 42 minutes.

    4. Re:The federation needs to be united. by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      You are very correct about the dynamic not being there between the three of them in STC. Bringing in a counselor kind of gets rid of the point of McCoy as that was who Kirk went to for emotional support. Now he's just a buddy that shows up from time to time. The relationships are all rather mechanical.

      That being said, I really enjoyed "Pilgrim of Eternity." The plot for this episode being based on an original episode using the same actor really worked well. It felt very genuine and gave me great hope. Sadly, the following episodes have not been as quality as the first. I think they had a great concept, but they didn't have a fleshed out story arc.

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    5. Re:The federation needs to be united. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I liked Pilgrim of Eternity too. I thought it felt true to TOS, which seemed to be what they were going for over everything else. I was okay with that. It's a fan piece for and by fans, it'll do what the fans involved want to do. Which isn't necessarily broadcast-quality, but for the budget they've got? that's okay. If they had fun doing it, it's a success.

      There are probably a dozen or so ongoing fan productions now, and all those I've seen have their merits. Some are more true to one or another incarnation of ST; some have better stories and/or acting or CGI. I haven't felt any were a waste of my viewing time, and some were downright excellent.

      Regardless, I think these small productions are the future of entertainment; the big budget approach is tough to sustain. And I can think of any number of TV series I'd have loved to see continue at this level rather than die entirely when the network pulled the financial plug. If network productions could operate on a fan budget, maybe they'd be slower to nuke that show you love but costs more than it brings in advertising.

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  16. The air compressor in the sick bay picture. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    The air compressor appears to be a c2006 type 4 porter cable 6 gallon 150 psi pancake compressor.

    Just in case you wanted to recreate their set recreation.
    Imho the compressor is a poorly built piece of junk.

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    1. Re:The air compressor in the sick bay picture. by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      The air compressor appears to be a c2006 type 4 porter cable 6 gallon 150 psi pancake compressor.

      I just mash mine with a griddle.

    2. Re:The air compressor in the sick bay picture. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's sad when your interests are so arcane that you feel the need to point something like that out.

  17. Not bad, but Star Trek Continues is the one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've checked these episodes out, and there's plenty to praise as well as plenty to roll one's eyes at. I definitely applaud their effort and are glad they're doing it. But I was introduced to Star Trek Continues a few months back, and damn.. loving care paid to re-creating TOS as closely as possible.

    http://www.startrekcontinues.com/

    And let's not forget the Axanar project.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1_8IV8uhA

  18. No "Beam me UP' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like, "Flush 'em down". LOL. Probably more like crap if it follows most of this "fan based" sewage.

  19. Star Trek: Renegades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surprised no one has mentioned this yet - Star Trek: Renegades - there is a full-length pilot that is HD and "better than a lot of movies" acting quality. It is going to become a web series and Terry Farrell is joining the cast - Yowsa!!! Google it and enjoy!

  20. Re:Axanar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awesome! Thank you

  21. Understanding, or lack thereof by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    You do understand that is entirely irrelevant to the question of whether $190k then was, or was not, significantly different from 1m today, right?

    You also understand that "making the film", specifically the part that got less expensive, is a tiny, tiny part of the undertaking, right?

    You also understand that without dedicated props departments (such as those at DesiLu), props take much more time and energy and are less efficiently made in this case as compared to TOS, right?

    You also understand that the number of dollars put out for anything from a bit of particle board to the plastic for a switch and the material for the costumes has increased proportionally as well, right?

    You also understand that as these people are not professionals, they are no doubt at all putting in more work on some things than the crew at DesiLu, right?

    I am sure your understanding is wide and deep, O Anonymous One.

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    1. Re:Understanding, or lack thereof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it's not irrelevant to the topic, which is "I tried watching one of the episodes and I could not finish it. Acting on TOS was bad, but this was just unwatchable".

      You also understand that "making the film", specifically the part that got less expensive, is a tiny, tiny part of the undertaking, right?

      You do understand that film and equipment were expensive and anyone can now get a superior camera for much less with no worries about film, right?

      You also understand that without dedicated props departments (such as those at DesiLu), props take much more time and energy and are less efficiently made in this case as compared to TOS, right?

      You do realize people now have ready access to tons of cheap gizmos that actually are high tech and that anyone with a PC can do CGI that looks better than any prop from 1966, right?

      You also understand that the number of dollars put out for anything from a bit of particle board to the plastic for a switch and the material for the costumes has increased proportionally as well, right?

      You do realize that anyone can buy a $500 3D printer and make whatever switches or small parts they want and that costumes don't have to be hand made any more, right?

      You also understand that as these people are not professionals, they are no doubt at all putting in more work on some things than the crew at DesiLu, right?

      You do realize that none of the people who worked on Star Trek were professionals at the time either, right?

      I am sure your understanding is wide and deep, O Anonymous One.

      And I'm sure you're an idiot.