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Data Centers Coming To a City Near You (datacenterfrontier.com)

1sockchuck writes: There are more wired businesses than ever in towns and cities across America. That's why the data center industry is coming to smaller cities you may not think of as technology hubs. Industry executives say the convergence of cloud computing, Big Data and the Internet of Things will require data centers in many places outside the traditional "Big Six" markets (Northern Virginia, New York/New Jersey, Chicago, Dallas, Silicon Valley and Los Angeles). "We're seeing success in the Tier 2 markets," said Kevin Bostick of 365 Data Centers, which operates in markets like Buffalo, Nashville and Pittsburgh. "We feel very confident with our ability to grow in these markets, especially given what we've seen over the past six months." Commercial real estate brokers confirm the trend, citing strong interest in the Pacific Northwest (especially Portland).

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  1. PNW by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Pacific Northwest seems like a reasonably good choice for data centers, at least for serving this corner of the country. Lots of clean, cheap hydro power, near major tech industry in Seattle area, and there's plenty of water for cooling.

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    1. Re:PNW by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Pacific Northwest seems like a reasonably good choice for data centers, at least for serving this corner of the country.

      That's like saying my kitchen seems like a reasonably good location for a sandwich shop, at least for serving my house.

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    2. Re: PNW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Land. Cheap land!

      Cloud computing is by definition and abstract form of computing; specifically in regards to location. If you've got the infrastructure (fiber runs, power) along with acceptable climate and geology, there's no reason not to build data-centers in BFE!

    3. Re:PNW by PPH · · Score: 2

      Lots of clean, cheap hydro power,

      Not any more. They're tearing down the dams.

      and there's plenty of water for cooling.

      Won't somebody please think of the fish?

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    4. Re:PNW by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No one is going to be breaching the Grand Coulee Dam or the several dozen other major dams in the near future. I wouldn't extrapolate a few small, obsolete dams being torn down into some sort of trend.

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    5. Re:PNW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WA state should be avoided. Speaking from experience, almost every single state government agency/department is corrupt, to the point of complete and total dysfunctionality. For example, if you live in WA, and have a problem with a local utility, and file a complaint with the WUTC (PUC), they’ll “spin up” an inert, temporary commission/council/committe/bureau to deal with your complaint. Then they tell you there’s nothing they can do. The local utilities in my area are wholly unregulated; they do what they please. In the city I live in, the city council refers to itself as “The Order”. If you call a contractor to work on your house, you’ll end up with unskilled "grinning idiots", posing as contractors; you’re better off doing the work yourself. Hell, the local grocery stores even allow people to take their dogs inside, as long as they’re on a leash. I get junk mail that’s all Spanish; I speak English. In my area, there are more Spanish DTV channels than there are English ones, not including TBN. Being a resident of eastern WA, I have to constantly remind myself that I DON'T live in Cuba. Stay out of WA; it’s full of reproducing mexicans, NAWBO femitards, & religious nutters.

    6. Re:PNW by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Well, looking at this I would not locate anything expensive or critical in that area:
      http://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/pacnw/rescasp1.html
      This particular gif is an attention grabber:
      http://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/pacnw/graphic/a2.gif
      The Pacific Northwest is one of those spots on earth where a lot of tectonic action (both thrust and subduction) mix with volcanic instability to churn the crust of the planet:
      http://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/pacnw/map.html
      I know every area has it's own hazards (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/hazards/products/) but making something flood and/or tornado proof is a lot easier than making it hover while the ground moves.

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    7. Re:PNW by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Well, it's a good thing Silicon Valley is safely situated far away from dangerous faultlines, right? ;-)

      I've lived in or near the Seattle area all my life, and I'd say I've noticed a minor earthquake perhaps once every five years or so on average. I've never experienced even a moderately sized quake during my entire lifetime. I'm sure it looks rather dangerous when you're viewing a large regional map with all the quakes from the last century or two overlaid. In reality, I'd bet the odds of a major quake destroying a datacenter within the payoff period (maybe a decade?) is probably fairly small.

      If we get hit with the big one in the next few years, feel free to tell me "I told you so" after I dig myself out of the rubble.

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    8. Re:PNW by billstewart · · Score: 1

      Hydro power is anything but clean and cheap, if you look at the actual environmental effects of building the stuff and preventing the floods that many of those dams were built to prevent.

      Somebody else mentioned the risk of serious earthquakes - that doesn't mean you shouldn't put a data center there, both for low operating costs and proximity to part of your customer base, but you need to look at having backup capacity in other geographical areas. (Which you need to anyway, since that data center in Oklahoma might get tornadoes, the one in Arizona might get heat waves, the one in Virginia might get climate-change flooding, the one in New Jersey might annoy the governor, ....)

      But hey, they've got lots of clouds up there.

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    9. Re:PNW by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      The Pacific Northwest seems like a reasonably good choice for data centers, at least for serving this corner of the country. Lots of clean, cheap hydro power, near major tech industry in Seattle area, and there's plenty of water for cooling.

      Quebec Canada is an excellent choice for a data centre and for the following reasons:
      Continuous and very very low cost electric supply (I bet it can be around 4 cents per KWH) from James Bay.
      As Winters are cold, the buildings can be heated from the heat given off by the equipment
      Summers are not extra-ordinarily hot -- The site would not need massive Air Conditioning.
      Employee skills are on a par or above many other localities. (virtually Free University and well educated graduates)
      Multi-lingualism -- great place for supporting English, Spanish, French, and other languages.
      Single payer insurance keeps corporate costs down.
      Communication costs are competitive.

      Time to toot the advantages of what we have to offer for Upstate USA

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    10. Re:PNW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes - Google (The Dalles), Facebook (Prineville), Apple (Prineville) and AWS (Boardman - us-west-2 -- AWS' second largest region) are already in Oregon.

      They don't care about being near Seattle. All they want is low environmental risk (earthquakes, tornadoes, etc), moderate weather, and (most importantly) cheap power.

    11. Re:PNW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and cheap land / taxes.

    12. Re:PNW by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Communication costs are competitive.

      No they aren't.

  2. Datacenters ? What for ? by galphanet · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why building datacenters ? Let's put everything in the cloud instead ! (irony inside)

    1. Re:Datacenters ? What for ? by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      I just wait for someone to start selling "your new, own personal cloud to put in your home!!" devices.

    2. Re:Datacenters ? What for ? by present_arms · · Score: 1

      I already have one :P Owncloud lol sorry couldn't resist

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    3. Re:Datacenters ? What for ? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      I just wait for someone to start selling "your new, own personal cloud to put in your home!!" devices.

      Like this?
      Or this?
      Or maybe this?

  3. Will there ever be self-storage type datacenters? by swb · · Score: 1

    Will there ever be small-scale, self-storage type data centers?

    Most of the data centers I've been in are large and elaborate affairs, with extensive security systems, a dozen or more (that I could see) on site staff, and all the requisite complexity of systems that allows them to house 10s of thousands of square feet of racks.

    This scale and complexity comes at a price, though, which often seems to price out SMBs looking for just an incrementally more reliable place to house offsite systems than the overloaded literal closets they use at the office with dodgy cooling, limited UPS-only power outage time and often limited availability of redundant high speed internet due to carrier/geographic availability.

    It kind of makes me wonder if there's room for a more simplified, smaller-scale data center that might offer better facilities than the SMB office will ever have but not the kind of intensive scale and complexity of a typical, high-end data center. Like providing generator power within 5 minutes of an outage, but not providing whole-building UPS redundancy, less elaborate security systems, perhaps 2-3 upstream Internet providers versus a mini-NAP, etc.

    This would make going off-site for a lot of SMBs or even hobbyists more affordable. I realize "the cloud" is supposed to shoulder some of this burden, but doing a lot of stuff in the cloud is more expensive and troublesome than a roll-your-own second site in a simplified facility might be.

    You could even look at retrofitting existing self-storage buildings.

  4. portland is top tier location. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tfs seems surprised portland is a hotbed for data centers. duh, the big guys are there with big operations, what did you expect?

  5. Not me by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Data Centers Coming To a City Near You

    There are no cities near me. Back to the click-bait headline drawing board.

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    1. Re:Not me by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking that a lot of folks in Europe, will be choosing data centers close to their cities at home. Being that the NSA has unlimited access to all data centers in the US . . . it is not a bad idea.

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  6. Look out, here comes the pendulum (again)... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

    FTFA:

    This is being driven by two trends:

    • Businesses’ growing reliance upon the Internet, and preference to house their data and applications in close proximity to their offices.
    • The growth of bandwidth-intensive consumer applications like video and gaming, where content must move closer to end users to avoid “lag” and poor performance.

    Not exactly the same forces that drove the movement from large, centralized mainframes to small, distributed desktop computers, but really, didn't we see this coming all along?

  7. Re:Will there ever be self-storage type datacenter by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2

    There are tons of DC's that have maybe a couple guys on days and an on call. L3 and the likes has no manged services DC's. You can easily get a rack with 20a 110v for under a grand a month (a decent hunk of that price is power/cooling). Lots of places offer half and quarter racks. A quarter rack is about as small as you can go where there is customer access since it's about as small as you can make it. Piles of places will let you ship a 1ru where they and stack it for you for a very nominal fee.

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  8. Boston / Cambridge / Rt. 128 Ring by Feneric · · Score: 1

    It's unusual for the Rt. 128 Ring (including Boston and Cambridge) to not be included in a list of the top technology hubs in the U.S.

  9. Nothing new... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

    Las Vegas is not considered a big data-center hub, but Switch has had several large data-centers here, and the previous record-holder for the largest data-center in the world here for a few years...

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  10. Re:Will there ever be self-storage type datacenter by fermion · · Score: 1
    This was typical several years ago. Maybe 40 or 50 hot swappable servers with a load balancer in front. I remember when the load balancers became very good and affordable. Two different high bandwidth internet connections. Even a liquid fuel generator that would in principle keep everything up for as long as there was fuel. I built a simpler version of this back in the late 90's.

    The problem was this is expensive. In particular you generally have one or more very expensive persons who main duty it is to keep up the computers, which was not normally a full time job, except if computers started failing in bulk, when there was enough people to get it fixed quickly.

    Back then there was no standard solution. I recall when the first compaq adaptive load balancer was installed. It seemed a competitive advantage could be gained with the right combination of hardware and custom software. Now there does not appear to be any advantage at small scales. These types of servers are routine and we know what works and doesn't. There is no reason to run hardware when software or sales is the business. Even, for the most part, people used canned software unless their business is software.

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  11. Re:Will there ever be self-storage type datacenter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're lucky... such SMB rack-em-up places are common in my market (Kansas City) and have been for multiple boom-bust cycles. DataShack, Joe's Data Center, Wholesale Internet, JC Host, etc. Older office spaces, no raised floors or anything. Usually just Hurricane and Cogent bandwidth.

    I do production sites on more normal "cloud" providers, because it's great not to have to drive to the DC for a dead fan at 2am.

    But, for backups, development VMs, docker playground, VMs, etc, etc, I keep a near-consumer-grade (i.e., no redundant power supply) 4U box, stuffed with consumer-grade SATA 2TB drives (in RAID 6), in one of those cheapy DCs for under $50 a month. Gives me a lot of functionality that would cost a crap-ton more than $50 a month to replicate with AWS or DigitalOcean.

  12. "Coming"? by Jethro · · Score: 2

    Any decent-sized city already has dozens of datacenters. Any large city probably has hundreds. Data centers are kind of like parking lots.

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    1. Re:"Coming"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coming?? I live in Ashburn, Virginia. They're already Effing everywhere.

  13. Re:Will there ever be self-storage type datacenter by billcopc · · Score: 1

    In my city (Ottawa), we have a few such datacenters. They'll have one guy working the sign-in desk in the daytime, and I think they're on call after-hours. They have biometric access doors, so anyone with a private rack or cage can come and go as they please. I never counted, but I'd estimate maybe 250 racks or so. It's pretty small. Now, they are not exactly cheap, but we Canadians love to get financially sodomized by our ISPs, or so I've been led to believe.

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  14. Re:Will there ever be self-storage type datacenter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a way, that makes sense. If one can get a decent, peered network feed in a smaller town, locating a data center out in a fairly rural area may be an idea. It might be costly to make sure parts are on hand for the PDUs, CRACs, HVAC, but building security is a solved problem (armed guard or two, HID badge, PROTEC2 locks in case the badge access fails, add whatever security theater one feels like.)

    The funny thing, it might add some synergy locating a data center in a smaller town:

    1: You can sell computer parts there, because there will be someone in that area who will drive to a store (which will have at least a clerk and a guard manning it) to buy PC parts.

    2: A modern data center doesn't need much staffing, but being able to recruit/train locals in computer/network training only will help things.

    3: You can provide services (assuming a decent backhaul) from the data center to local businesses. If other stores are close enough to string fiber, they now can get services like 10gigE to a SAN or NAS. Then, the local businesses can use something like Windows Server Essentials or MS DPM, and the local server at the store can dump all the data onto an iSCSI volume at the data center (and with BitLocker turned on, all data would be transparantly encrypted.)

    4: Coloc service can be useful as well. There are a few SMBs which want at least a half rack somewhere physically secret for a warm/hot recovery center.

    5: Realistically, small towns tend to be more secure and have less crime than bigger area. Yes, there are the tweakers, but incidents are just a lot less than in more urban areas. There are also less worries about terrorism, riots, and other items that plague more populated areas.

    6: Generators and UPSes are not that expensive relatively. In fact, coupled with throwing some solar panels on a roof, it is part of doing business. Plus, small towns tend to have better diesel mechanics in general, due to the farm equipment needed in the region.

    7: A small town is cooler than a large city with its heat island effect. It may just be 5-10 degrees, but that is 5-10 degrees less that has to be cooled.

    8: With WAN replication of SANs, coupled with an on site tape operator, the small town data center can be an effecient place to store backups. Add a room where tapes are stored, and the need for Iron Mountain will be minimal.

    tl;dr... small town data centers do make a lot of sense.

  15. Re:Eastern Washington State by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every state government has corruption problems. Some just hide it better, unlike New Jersey or Nevada.

    And Eastern Washington, as with Northern Idaho and Western Montana, has a lot of xenophobic racists. Maybe you're one of them.

  16. Small Distributed Datacenters as home heaters by billstewart · · Score: 1

    (I read about this on the net, so almost all of the details may be wrong.) There's some company in Norway or somewhere that has a business model of putting small datacenter units into people's homes, with a narrow rack of computers and storage, using them as electric heaters, which reduces their HVAC and real estate costs and takes advantage of fiber infrastructure.

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  17. Re:Will there ever be self-storage type datacenter by swb · · Score: 1

    But, for backups, development VMs, docker playground, VMs, etc, etc, I keep a near-consumer-grade (i.e., no redundant power supply) 4U box, stuffed with consumer-grade SATA 2TB drives (in RAID 6), in one of those cheapy DCs for under $50 a month. Gives me a lot of functionality that would cost a crap-ton more than $50 a month to replicate with AWS or DigitalOcean.

    That's exactly the kind of cost point I'm thinking of -- I think that works out to about $500/rack, $250/half rack. At those kinds of prices, many of the SMBs I work with would be pretty eager to colocate equipment for backup, DR or HA purposes.

    There's just a whole universe of SMBs with infrastructure running on premises for whom the costs, limitations or functionality of public cloud or high-end colocation is just not workable and for whom facility limitations make ISP redundancy, generators, etc unobtainable or just too expensive.

    A $10k or $15k investment in a mid-range Dell ESXi host with ~10 TB of RAID-6 + hotspare would prevent reasonable redundancy, some offsite backup/replication and could probably come out as a wash in terms of cost when you start doing the math on extra hardware, licensing, etc. for single-site HA.

  18. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolute. Their agenda is covered up by labels like datacenters or 'cyber security hype, and unless people know what the real agenda is and who is doing it all, they are blind in a dangerous dark. They make it all sound like convenience and 'progress', another propaganda word. If you think mind rape and mass murder is progress, then keep sitting. links in post above show the picture.

  19. Re:Will there ever be self-storage type datacenter by Cramer · · Score: 1

    The problem with a self-storage type arrangement is the difficulty in securing them. For example, cutting through the sheet metal wall between units is simple, and there's no one there to (a) notice, or (b) try to stop you. Most storage units are filled with moderately useless junk, so no one bothers to break into them. When you have thousands of dollars worth of servers (and priceless data) in there, thieves will take notice.

    (This isn't new, either. Unattended DC's have been broken into many times. Rarely making the national news, however.)