Europe and Russia Are Headed Back To the Moon Together (bbc.com)

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Europe and Russia Are Headed Back To the Moon Together (bbc.com)

Posted by Soulskill on Monday October 19, 2015 @12:55AM from the grab-me-a-souvenir dept.

MarkWhittington writes: Russia is turning its attention to the moon again for the first time in about 40 years. The first Russian mission to the moon since long before the end of the Cold War will be Luna 27, a robot lander that will touch down on the edge of the lunar South Pole as early as 2020. Russia is looking for international partners to help make Luna 27 a reality and may have found one in the European Space Agency, according to a story on the BBC. "The initial missions will be robotic. Luna 27 will land on the edge of the South Pole Aitken basin. The south polar region has areas which are always dark. These are some of the coldest places in the Solar System. As such, they are icy prisons for water and other chemicals that have been shielded from heating by the Sun. According to Dr. James Carpenter, ESA's lead scientist on the project, one of the main aims is to investigate the potential use of this water as a resource for the future, and to find out what it can tell us about the origins of life in the inner Solar System."

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50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 01:02 · Score: 0, Flamebait

Only 50 years after the Americans did it. Go Europe!
1. Re:50 years by NotDrWho · 2015-10-19 01:05 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah, the Americans had ONE first (first man on the moon). Russia had EVERY OTHER SPACE FIRST.
  You win, America! Go USA!
  
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2. Re:50 years by 91degrees · 2015-10-19 01:09 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Russia already landed a probe on the moon in 1966. Several months before the US managed to do the same. Actually, depending on what you consider a "landing" the first man made object on the moon was a Russian probe in 1959.
3. Re:50 years by Yoda222 · 2015-10-19 01:10 · Score: 2
  
  It's also only 40 years after the first mission of ESA (maybe still ESRO?) to the moon. That's probably why the title contains "Headed Back".
4. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 01:11 · Score: 0
  
  First man to stop on another planet is pretty big. But GOOOO Europe! You might have come in last, but I am sure you will have a cool logo for the mission.
5. Re:50 years by NotDrWho · 2015-10-19 01:13 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Not only that, but they were the first country to use an actual rover to explore, decades before the U.S. started using them.
  
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6. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 01:16 · Score: 0
  
  First man to stop on another planet is pretty big.
  
  Yeah, I'm sure it will be, genius.
7. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 01:18 · Score: 0
  
  It's crazy I know! right?
  I mean how can Russia do everything so well and then fall at the last hurdle and lose?!
  USA! USA! USA!
8. Re:50 years by NotDrWho · 2015-10-19 01:24 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Yeah, because putting a man on the moon was definitely the last hurtle in space. It's not like Russia went on the put up the first space station, or continued to launch men into space with by far the best safety record of any country, or is the only country in the world today still capable of putting men into space. Nope, the space race definitely ended with the first man on the moon.
  USA! USA! USA!
  BTW, can someone give us a ride to the ISS, please? We'll pay for gas.
  
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9. Re:50 years by 91degrees · 2015-10-19 01:26 · Score: 1
  
  Although with reference to your other post, the US did seem to be ahead by the 1970's when it came to Mars Probes.
10. Re:50 years by Muad'Dave · 2015-10-19 01:35 · Score: 1
  
  You might even have a theme song like Beagle 2 did.
  
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11. Re:50 years by CrimsonAvenger · 2015-10-19 01:43 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Hmm, Russians used a robotic rover on the moon in 1970.
  The USA used a manned rover on the moon in 1971.
  Hardly "decades before the US started using them"....
  
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12. Re:50 years by tlambert · 2015-10-19 02:01 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Yeah, the Americans had ONE first (first man on the moon). Russia had EVERY OTHER SPACE FIRST.
  You win, America! Go USA!
  Well, not *every* other space first... and lest we forget, both countries were pretty well bootstrapped with German missile technology. Here are some other U.S. firsts, apart from the whole landing on the moon thingy:
  1. First human-made object to leave solar system
  2. First communications satellite
  3. First solar probe
  4. First weather satellite
  5. First object successfully recovered from orbit
  6. First operational navigation satellite
  7. First geosynchronous satellite
  8. First probe to land using retrorockets
  9. First probe to map the Moon
  10. First manual control of a crewed spacecraft
  11. First crewed spacecraft to change orbit
  12. First rendezvous in space
  13. First docking with another spacecraft
  14. First crewed mission to leave Earth orbit
  15. First to orbit the Moon
  16. First spacecraft of any type to perform Trans-Earth injection
  17. First successful flyby of Venus
  18. First successful Mars flyby
  I suppose we could count some of the SpaceX accomplishments, as well, given that Elon Musk has U.S. citizenship:
  19. First privately funded, liquid-propellant rocket (Falcon 1) to reach orbit
  20. First privately funded company to successfully launch, orbit and recover a spacecraft (Dragon)
  21. First private company to send a spacecraft (Dragon) to the ISS
  22. First private company to launch into geosynchronous orbit (ES-8)
  23. First private company to deliver a vehicle beyond Earth orbit (DSCOVR)
  And that's just the highlights reel.
13. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 02:07 · Score: 0
  
  "Hurdle" not "hurtle". I understand Europe is thinking of buying a drone off of Amazon next and using that to practice.
14. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 02:39 · Score: 0
  
  Don't forget the other first, first to completely give up on space.
  The US currently has no manned space capability and has to rely on Russia to get anything into space.
15. Re:50 years by Rei · 2015-10-19 02:40 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  It's not like Russia went on the put up the first space station
  Forgetting Skylab, now are we?
  Mir was bigger and modular (Skylab was monolithic), but it wasn't the first space station - construction started over a decade after Skylab was launched.
  
  with by far the best safety record of any country
  You mean China?
  The Russians have largely gotten lucky, in that most of their Soyuz to catastrophically fail have been the unmanned launches, even though they're largely built on the same components. The failure rate has gotten pretty damned awful of late. As has the rate of dangerous "glitches" on returning vehicles
  The number of deaths issue is based on a statistical sample size of only a tiny number of fatal accidents on both sides, and is thus dominated more by noise than by signal. It's also skewed by the size of the crews - each side has only had two fatal space missions, but the US crews were several times larger. The broader category that includes injuries, near misses, etc gives a greater sample size and paints a reversed picture: the rate is far higher on the Russian side.
  
  or is the only country in the world today still capable of putting men into space.
  Why does everyone keep forgetting about China in these conversations?
  
  BTW, can someone give us a ride to the ISS, please? We'll pay for gas.
  That was, of course, the US's decision to retire the Shuttle and hitch rides with the Russians. Of course, they couldn't retire the Shuttle when they wanted to, they had to keep it operating to finish the station as the Russians didn't have any launch vehicles nearly large enough to carry the larger payloads. Russia still lags behind in large payloads, particularly in reaching higher orbits - the Proton M, Russia's most powerful rocket, carries 6,7 tonnes to GTO while the Delta IV carries 14,2 tonnes. Early next year the Falcon Heavy should have its maiden launch, with a GTO payload of 21,2 tonnes. Russia has nothing even comparable in the near pipeline.
  Russia has always had trouble with heavy lift. The N1 was perhaps one of the most spectacular rocket program failures in history, a rocket about the size of the Saturn V, a massive program, and every launch ended in an explosion. Perhaps their "most successful" heavy lifter was the Energia, but it never flew in its heavy lift configuration, and only flew twice in any configuration at all.
  As for missions beyond Earth:
  Moon race: 28 failures, 15 successes, versus 16 failures and 16 successes for the US. Notable features include a couple tiny sample returns and the first quality remote rover - versus the US... well, the Apollo Program ;)
  Mars: 20 failures, 2 successes (only orbiters, and only "mostly successful), versus 6 failures and 18 successes for the US. Mars was probably the Soviet/Russian space program's biggest realm of embarrassment.
  Venus: 16 failures, 13 successes, versus 1 failure and 6 successes. By contrast, Venus was the Soviet/Russian program's biggest success - but largely simply because they threw a lot more things at it than the US, which by and large seemed relatively uninterested in our evil twin.
  Mercury: Russia/USSR never tried. US, 2 successes.
  Asteroids: Never tried. US, 3 failures, 8 successes.
  In fact, Russia/USSR never went anywhere in the solar system outside of Mars. Beyond the asteroid belt, their grand total of attempts was zero. The US has not had a single outer planets mission failure, and 23 successful missions (although some of that is double-counting, as a number of spacecraft visited multiple planets).
  Early on, there's no question who was in the lead - the Soviets were, unquestionably. By the mid 1960s, though, the tables had reversed. Since then, the Soviets/Russians have had a pretty spotty record with sp
  
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16. Re:50 years by naughtynaughty · 2015-10-19 03:03 · Score: 1
  
  By saying "give up on space" you are completely ignoring all the space activities the US is engaged in. Calling Uberisky for a ride to the ISS was a way to save money, nothing to do with giving up on space.
17. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 03:10 · Score: 0
  
  The US currently has no manned space capability and has to rely on Russia to get anything into space.
  It is the capitalist way. Launching is expensive, so outsource it to whoever does it cheaper. Currently that is Russia.
18. Re:50 years by Opyros · 2015-10-19 03:14 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Forgetting Skylab, now are we? Mir was bigger and modular (Skylab was monolithic), but it wasn't the first space station - construction started over a decade after Skylab was launched.
  The GP isn't talking about Mir; the first space station was Salyut 1.
19. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 03:59 · Score: 0
  
  Hmm, Russians used a robotic rover on the moon in 1970.
  The USA used a manned rover on the moon in 1971.
  Hardly "decades before the US started using them"....
  Well, they did occur in two different decades.
20. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 04:13 · Score: 1
  
  obviously robotic rover is implied, no?
  a "manned rover" isn't a rover, its just a vehicle
21. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 05:20 · Score: 0
  
  "first to completely give up on space"
  We also gave up on horses in cities and buggy whips. Your childhood space fantasies are today's buggy whips.
  Grow up and deal with it.
22. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 06:19 · Score: 0
  
  yes but if they go it will prove will can do it , as welll as we can STILL currently do it. . Whereas you live on past glories you did it but can no longer put a man in orbit. GO SEABISCUIT!!
23. Re:50 years by iris-n · 2015-10-19 07:31 · Score: 2
  
  Hmm? Are you just trolling, or you actually think that? The moon was first mapped by Luna 3 and Zond 3, that's why the geographical features of the far side are all named after Soviet scientists. And the first probe to orbit the moon was Luna 10. You shouldn't let your ideology get more important than the facts.
  
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24. Re:50 years by rubycodez · 2015-10-19 08:05 · Score: 1
  
  You are so funny, Luna 3 took 29 very poor quality pictures, not "mapping the moon". Compare that with the USA's Ranger 7 that took 4,300 high quality pictures.
25. Re:50 years by rubycodez · 2015-10-19 08:10 · Score: 1
  
  wrong, look up definitions. Rovers can be manned, "lunar rover" was phrase used at the time of mission, look it up.
26. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 10:05 · Score: 0
  
  Russians had extremely bad luck with Venus. One of their probes (Venera 14) successfully landed on the surface, detached the circular camera lens cap, successfully took some pictures, successfully lowered the soil compressibility sampling probe and ... measured the compressibility of the lens cap...
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venera_14
27. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 11:04 · Score: 0
  
  And German missile technology was bootstrapped by French technology which was bootstrapped by Belgian technology which was bootstrapped by British technology which was bootstrapped by Italian technology which was bootstrapped by Spanish technology which was bootstrapped by Northern African technology which was bootstrapped by middle eastern technolgoy which was bootstrapped by Roman technology which was bootstrapped by Greek technology which was bootstrapped by Persian technology which was bootstrapped by Indian technology which was bootstrapped by Chinese technology which was bootstrapped by North Korean technology.
  So there you have it, we have everything to thank to Kim Jung Un an his ancestors. All hail Kim Jung Un!
  What does it matter who gets first were, nationalism is just a small blimp in the history of humanity. And with the ongoing globalization, there will be nothing left of nations within 2 decades. Only culture with sub cultures with yet other sub cultures etc will survive. Nations? That's just like the Ancient Regime and the Ancient Empires, something of the past in the near future. So Man has landed on the moon in a place that was than called USA.
28. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 12:59 · Score: 0
  
  24. Most jingoistic douchebags on internet forums
29. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 16:08 · Score: 0
  
  I would agree with you 2 years ago, but not so sure anymore... I am from Ukraine, which is very tolerant and peaceful nation. Before Russian invasion there were no in-fight in Ukraine since World War II.
  Now this mess will take decades to be cleared...
  Basically my point is that European Union will continue to grow is size and borders between countries becoming fussier.. and African countries will do the same, maybe in 50 years or so Americas and Asian countries will follow. However it will be at least 200 years before you can expect the whole planet to unite under Human's banner.
  I think you are way too optimistic in 20 years estimate, unless we have space invasion or catastrophe big enough to unite The Planet.
30. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 16:26 · Score: 0
  
  Ah glorious true Russian comment!!! Bravo!
  Every time they have nothing to say of their nowadays activities they start stating their old accomplishments, if there are none (not the case in this.. case?) then boast about something else they done, some historic accomplishment, or some edited "historic accomplishment", or some future accomplishments that their government promised and strongly advertised on media (which will never actually happen, its actually just a way to steal tens of billions with populations approval (for example the winter Olympic games cost about 50 billions just for 1 big stunt... it could have allowed to double their space budget for the next 10-15 years, but most Russians will agree that a stunt (we done the most expensive Olympic games in history by far) better option)).
  Regrettable, but that is truth, that is only way government is capable keeping people from asking what this government actually done, feed them glorious accomplishments done before most of the citizens of current Russia were even born.
  By the way USA also had this sort of mentality, however their government control is not absolute, and people have much more freedom and resources. Therefore there are always people that can do great stuff: like what we saw in computers and now beginnings in space (hopefully).
31. Re:50 years by 91degrees · 2015-10-19 19:15 · Score: 1
  
  This was a response to stupid the "The Americans got there first" brag.
  
  Yes, Russia did have a bit of a slowdown more recently. The collapse of communism and people starving tends to do that. Seems to have bounced back pretty well since then.
32. Re:50 years by PPalmgren · 2015-10-20 01:35 · Score: 1
  
  I think you're missing the point. The "space race" was more similar to a game of HORSE than a race. While being first in something was an accomplishment, it was more about being able to match your competition, or a "1-up game" if you will. Russia builds a satellite, the US follows up and builds one. US puts a man on the moon, Russia...says screw that its too hard. That's why the US "won" the space race: they accomplished something that couldn't be matched by the other competitor.
33. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-20 04:00 · Score: 0
  
  Russia keeps sending up manned rockets to LEO. U.S. says screw that its too hard.
  Russia wins!
34. Re:50 years by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-20 04:23 · Score: 0
  
  do you call your car a rover too, mate?
A little space race anyone? by trout007 · 2015-10-19 01:07 · Score: 1

http://science.slashdot.org/st...

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Hopefully they won't fake it... by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 01:14 · Score: 2, Funny

Hopefully they won't fake there landing like the Americans did.
Over 30 years since last Russian probe out of LEO by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 01:30 · Score: 2, Informative

The last time the USSR or Russia launched a successful probe outside of low earth orbit was 1984, with the Vega missions.
Ever since then, they've talked big, and failed big. Usually projects never got as far as physical hardware, but occasionally some things were built, such as the Mars96 impactor, or Fobos-Grunt, but those didn't work.
Russia has a decent track record at building space stations and satellites. For anything further out, they're an embarassing failure.
Good, I guess by willworkforbeer · 2015-10-19 01:33 · Score: 2

Europe and Russia Are Headed Back To the Moon Together

Was hoping we'd send Afghanistan and Iran instead. Bummer.

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1. Re:Good, I guess by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 04:02 · Score: 0
  
  I'm sure you'd rather blow them to Kingdom Cum.
An ancient Ukrainian joke by mi · 2015-10-19 01:35 · Score: 1, Funny
Shouting from one hamlet to another:
- Uncle Ivan, ahoy!
- Ahoy!
- Have you heard, Russians went to space!
- All of them?!?
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Re:Over 30 years since last Russian probe out of L by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 01:46 · Score: 0

Yeah, it's not like Russia sent the first probes to Venus and Mars or built the first rover or anything. Only 'mercia can do that kind of stuff!
Won't happen by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 01:50 · Score: 0

We'll order the eurosluts to step up the sanctions against Russia, they will comply and this will just evaporate. They blew up their own economy because the US told them to and they will do it again and again and again.
Uh... what? by wonkey_monkey · 2015-10-19 02:14 · Score: 3, Funny

Europe and Russia Are Headed Back To the Moon Together
Okay, clearly there have been some major developments in geology that I've missed.

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1. Re:Uh... what? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 04:41 · Score: 0
  
  I would not mind if europe left the earth... Then i would not have to care about all the crap USA throws at the rest of the world.
2. Re:Uh... what? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-20 00:38 · Score: 0
  
  Europe and Russia Are Headed Back To the Moon Together
  Okay, clearly there have been some major developments in geology that I've missed.
  Agree, that's a global cataclysm. Especially when the European part of Russia does it twice...
Re:Over 30 years since last Russian probe out of L by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 02:17 · Score: 0

Absolutely, they used to have a superb space exploration track record in the early days, but they haven't maintained it. ESA cannot go back in time to partner with the space program of 1970s USSR. There doesn't seem to be much point partnering with the modern Russian space program.
Hooray. by argStyopa · 2015-10-19 02:17 · Score: 1

And the one country that's BEEN there, that was dominant in spaceflight for the late 60s, 70s, and even arguably 80s & 90s, has turned its back (in any serious way) on the moon and manned spaceflight in general.
Ozymandias, indeed.

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1. Re:Hooray. by thrich81 · 2015-10-19 02:33 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/), built, launched, and operated by NASA, is in orbit around the moon right now and doing science there. That makes it the only currently operating spacecraft in orbit around the moon. That is, the USA NASA Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. NASA has so many operating space vehicles out there doing science that people tend to not notice after a while.
2. Re:Hooray. by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 08:00 · Score: 0
  
  So what? What's so important about putting test pilots into tin cans? Why did you have such a melodramatic emotional outburst about this?
  We also stopped using steam locomotives and horses in cities.
  So. Fucking. What?
  Manned space flight was a SYMBOL. It serves no practical purpose, fulfills no real need, solves no problem.
3. Re: Hooray. by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-20 04:55 · Score: 0
  
  She's married. She loves him. She won't leave him for anyone, much less for you. They have three kids and a great life. Unlike you who wrecked yours. Are you still on meds by the way?
Europe and Russia by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 02:20 · Score: 0

Russia is in Europe.
1. Re:Europe and Russia by hcs_$reboot · 2015-10-19 02:32 · Score: 2
  
  Russia is in Europe.
  Russia is also in Asia, mainly. w
  
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Re:Over 30 years since last Russian probe out of L by thrich81 · 2015-10-19 02:38 · Score: 3, Informative

The USA sent the first probes to Venus and Mars, Mariner 2 to Venus in 1962 and Mariner 4 to Mars in 1964. The USSR sent the first landers to each, but the first spacecraft to successfully fly by and study the two planets were American.
fools by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 02:42 · Score: 0

Russia is European, fools.
1. Re:fools by rubycodez · 2015-10-19 08:13 · Score: 1
  
  and asian
Re:Break out the vodka! by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 03:30 · Score: 0

No, these days half of the Soyuz crew are Americans having to beg for a ride.
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Re:Over 30 years since last Russian probe out of L by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 03:52 · Score: 0

Except for the fact that they still launch a ton of hardware, including manned craft, into orbit. I believe about a third of global space launches still are out of Russia.
You can't leave the Earth ! by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 15:29 · Score: 0

Just fake it in a studio like NASA did 50 years ago.
- space ripoff Frauds - by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-19 15:31 · Score: 0

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The moon walk was a fraud, and there is no 'space shuttle with people in it. They made sure to put the shuttle explosion on tv to traumatize people including children because macauliffe was supposedly a teacher. This page has more on shuttle lying and fake astronots is also example of propaganda.
http://aplanetruth.info/2015/04/23/breaking-news-theyre-alive-challenger-space-shuttle-crew-safe-and-employed/
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All large countries are run by jews. The 'astro nots' are lying scum fake actors for the jew the same as every liar in phony jew 'government'. The jews took over russia when they killed the tzar, they took over europe with bogus 'war two', they are behind every fraud. See 'washington' on the bogus dollar, all of them jew cons. They fake 'govt' is jews, fake 'federal reserve', fake 'nsa' fake 'cia' fake 'homeland' all the 'corporations' bs. They're 'space' bs has been a con from the start, idiots bought it and still buy it now they jews have trillions in weapons. The only things in space are satelites, and weapons and idiot fake 'research' machines the jews throw out to keep dupes spinning while the jew sets up the mass cull here after ameriscums helped them kill the rest of the world, Idiots.
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Power source by manu0601 · 2015-10-19 15:46 · Score: 2

The south polar region has areas which are always dark
This means the rover will not be able to rely on solar panels. Will it use a nuclear source? Launching such beasts is quite unpopular.
Geimfari by rmdingler · 2015-10-20 12:33 · Score: 1

Ironically, if we had a more successful Soviet Empire to prod the American space program maybe a tiny bit further...
the whole off world colony conundrum might be on its way to settled.

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