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Scientists May Have Found the Earliest Evidence of Life On Earth (sciencemag.org)

sciencehabit writes with news that UCLA scientists have found evidence that life likely existed on Earth at least 4.1 billion years ago, 300 million years earlier than previously thought. Science reports: "When did life on Earth begin? Scientists have dug down through the geologic record, and the deeper they look, the more it seems that biology appeared early in our planet's 4.5-billion-year history. So far, geologists have uncovered possible traces of life as far back as 3.8 billion years. Now, a controversial new study presents potential evidence that life arose 300 million years before that, during the mysterious period following Earth's formation. The clues lie hidden in microscopic flecks of graphite—a carbon mineral—trapped inside a single large crystal of zircon. Zircons grow in magmas, often incorporating other minerals into their crystal structures of silicon, oxygen, and zirconium. And although they barely span the width of a human hair, zircons are nearly indestructible. They can outlast the rocks in which they initially formed, enduring multiple cycles of erosion and deposition."

71 comments

  1. Where's the evidence!? by Lumpio- · · Score: 1

    Here. It's right here.

    1. Re:Where's the evidence!? by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's tough to get a good discussion on biology going here at /. This is a really interesting find if it holds up. The structures they found are interesting, and have characteristic features that don't seem like they could have been produced by geological means. But still, I think they have their work cut out for themselves to find more samples, and confirm that these aren't just some very odd geological artifacts.

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    2. Re:Where's the evidence!? by msauve · · Score: 1

      Yeah. No link, just a claim. And an odd one at that - although Life As We Know It requires carbon, carbon certainly doesn't require life to form.

      Also see this.

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    3. Re:Where's the evidence!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where? Nevermind, found it right here on my bookshelf...the Bible.

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    4. Re:Where's the evidence!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      A wild Q'ran appears, burns your bible, wipes your mind clean of any education you may have had but as compensation gives you two 9 year old brides.

    5. Re:Where's the evidence!? by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1, Redundant

      See what I mean?

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    6. Re:Where's the evidence!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The graphite has a low ratio of heavy to light carbon atoms—called isotopes—consistent with the isotopic signature of organic matter. “On Earth today, if you were looking at this carbon, you would say it was biogenic,”

    7. Re:Where's the evidence!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Close... but it's the Talmud that appears, and compensation is as many goyim children as they desire.

  2. No one reads the article so... by burtosis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's not even include a link to it!

    1. Re:No one reads the article so... by De_Boswachter · · Score: 1
    2. Re:No one reads the article so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The link is there. You wouldn't know it by looking at it but "(sciencemag.org)" is actually a clickable link. UX ftw!!!

    3. Re:No one reads the article so... by Fallso · · Score: 1

      Let's not even include a link to it!

      The link is right next to the title.

    4. Re:No one reads the article so... by burtosis · · Score: 3, Informative

      Right that's what I get for viewing on my mobile device before coffee. Still it's the traditional poorly referenced third party article instead of the actual source article but what else do you expect?

    5. Re:No one reads the article so... by fisted · · Score: 1

      /. going beta one step at a time

    6. Re:No one reads the article so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right that's what I get for viewing on my mobile device before coffee. Still it's the traditional poorly referenced third party article instead of the actual source article but what else do you expect?

      Yet, somehow you keep coming back for more.

    7. Re:No one reads the article so... by Calydor · · Score: 1

      I reckon a lot of Slashdot regulars come here for the comments rather than the summaries.

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    8. Re:No one reads the article so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I reckon a lot of Slashdot regulars come here for the comments rather than the summaries.

      You are literally Hitler.

  3. Actual article link by burtosis · · Score: 4, Informative
  4. UCLA News by ath1901 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Haven't found any scientific article yet but here is the news page from UCLA:
    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/relea...

    In short, they found graphite in a crystal and the graphite has a carbon 12 to carbon 13 ratio which indicates biological origin.

    So, the current status is "plausible" but if someone comes up with another explanation it is "busted".

    1. Re:UCLA News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if the organic molecules in comets could explain the result.

    2. Re:UCLA News by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You really Busted that Myth.

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  5. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We popped into existence 10ms ago and will vanish just as quickly.

  6. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, metaphorically speaking.

  7. Right in the middle of the Hadean period. by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Note that 4.1 Ga is right in the middle of the Hadean period, when the Earth was still settling into layers and the crust and oceans were just forming. No distinct core or mantle yet, and the moon was a ring of rock encircling the Earth. This is half a million years before plate tectonics, before even prokaryota (micros without cell nuclei) developed.

    These clues might just tell _how_ cellular reproduction and upwards energy gradients (i.e. life) began, not just _when_.

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    1. Re:Right in the middle of the Hadean period. by martas · · Score: 1

      I presume you mean "half a billion"

    2. Re:Right in the middle of the Hadean period. by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I presume you mean "half a billion"

      Yes, half a billion. Thank you. I was trying to put the discovery into perspective, and this correction shows just how hard it is to grasp the vast time periods involved.

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    3. Re:Right in the middle of the Hadean period. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. Given its size and temperature, the earth would have been differentiated almost immediately, with oceans present at 4.4Gy. The moon would have been completely formed, though very hot and active. A ring moon would have been very short lived. Tectonics, of some form, in the presence of water would have started almost immediately, and been very vigorous.

    4. Re:Right in the middle of the Hadean period. by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Thank you for commenting. I understand that oceans were significant only at the end of the Hadean, 3.8 Ga. The moon I'm not sure about other than the fact that it was also formed during the Hadean. Plate tectonics though, from what I understand, only started after 3.8 Ga along with the oceans.

      If the oceans and plate tectonics, along with the differentiated interior, did in fact develop 4.4 Ga, then why is the period that we call Hadean said to have ended only at 3.8 Ga?

      Thank you for your clarifications!

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    5. Re:Right in the middle of the Hadean period. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This perspective hints that the role of the Moon and plate tectonics in the formation of life is overrated.

    6. Re:Right in the middle of the Hadean period. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Half the oceans or more is suspected to be the result of comets bringing water to the planet.

      So there may have been a lot of not-ocean back then.

    7. Re:Right in the middle of the Hadean period. by dotancohen · · Score: 2

      This perspective hints that the role of the Moon and plate tectonics in the formation of life is overrated.

      I'm not sure about plate tectonics, but the role of the moon was, so far as I understand, to allow _complex_ life to develop. A few self-replicating proteins don't need stable seasons and tides, but eukaryotes and multi-cellular life do benefit from the repeating (and replenishing) energy gradients.

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  8. It this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what passes for science, on Slashdot these days? A single celled organism or RNA strand preserved would be proof of life, not graphite imbedded in a rock. It's just click-bait.

    1. Re:It this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      not graphite imbedded in a rock. It's just click-bait.

      Yeah, but for your PENCIL.

  9. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I got dressed up for nothing.

  10. "Mysterious" by jehan60188 · · Score: 1

    Using "mysterious" in a scientific publication. Ever.

  11. Re:Evidence is for Cows by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1
  12. Somewhere in Kentucky.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ken Ham is curling up in a ball chanting "6000 years, 6000 years, 6000 years!"

    1. Re:Somewhere in Kentucky.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, we get it. You have a YEC complex. Now, grow the f*ck up.

    2. Re:Somewhere in Kentucky.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The irony of your post is delicious.

      Ken Ham has nothing to fear from this evidence, nor any other evidence. The reason is simple: the evidence is hard for the layman to understand, which makes it easy for the layman to dismiss. This is precisely why Ken Ham can keep scores of otherwise-intelligent adults believing that a story written thousands of years ago by desert nomads is a better source of truth than rigorous scientific research and a healthy dose of critical thinking.

  13. Panspermia by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    I'm not saying it was aliens, but...

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    1. Re:Panspermia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm not saying it was aliens, but... it was aliens!"
      FTFY

  14. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And all of the people created over all the Earth outside of the Garden. Adam and Eve were a special case. The Eden tale is a flashback to a day before God created humanity; says so right at the beginning: "on the day that God blah blah blah". This also explains where Cain's wife came from. But if you're looking for a "one family to spawn them all" point, Noah is your man. Noah, his family, and his kids' spouses were the new start after the flood.

  15. Re:But.... by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    Interesting stuff! But I believe in the theory of evolution as opposed to divine creation.

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  16. As the earth is only 6000 years old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tis A LIE!!

  17. Re:But.... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

    The Pope (and by extension, The Catholic Church) believes in divine creation as well as a the theory of evolution. It's only a few nutjobs who actually believe that we descended from 2 single humans and that the earth is only 6000 years old.

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  18. WTF is with the article links! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Ok aside from the fact that it took me a few minutes to figure out where the article link was (I nearly posted some critique on the editor for not including it), how do you think this is going to work Dice? I mean it's one thing to turn Slashdot into a typical trashy blog, but even they follow conventions of inline links.

    What happens when you suddenly include multiple articles or multiple sources in your posts? Who gets to go in the title, the one who paid the most?

    I can't believe how hard to use this site is these days.

    1. Re: WTF is with the article links! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was clear /. was going to jump the shark when CmdrTaco left.

    2. Re:WTF is with the article links! by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I wonder how the AC two posts above you broke yours and the post before you.

      http://science.slashdot.org/co...

      Your post now shows (when you show all the posts) as strikethrough.

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    3. Re:WTF is with the article links! by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      It seems the AC exploits a bad /. regex, the one that checks the <a> tag url and then writes [ domain ] ...

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  19. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I sort of agree with you, in my belief it looks the most probably that Homo sapiens evolved more or less as claimed by science, and that the special case in some way was introduced into that pool some 6 millennia ago (created - for some debatable value of created) - i.e. the "genesis" of the people of the Old Testament.

    But if you're looking for a "one family to spawn them all" point, Noah is your man. Noah, his family, and his kids' spouses were the new start after the flood.

    And then there are claims that the Noah flood wasn't necessarily globe-spanning, perhaps limited to the area where the genesis people lived and got corrupted. Many flood stories are found around the world, but they differ in details, and many of them are more consistent with a catastrophic run-off event than with a mountain-covering water mass.

    AC because non-PC.

  20. Re:But.... by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

    Sadly, the number of people who believe in the literal interpretation of the Christian creation story is a lot higher than it should be. The tradition of passing on indoctrination from one generation to another is alive and well in the US. And it shows no signs of abating. What stuns me is how many otherwise intelligent people completely abandon their critical thinking skills as soon as you start to question their religious beliefs.

  21. Re:But.... by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

    Didn't we come from Adam & Eve and their children, Cain and Able?

    Cain and Seth. Abel was killed before he had any children.

  22. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was Superman from Krypton. He crashed in the midwest with and egg, like Mork.

  23. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As I pointed out above, no Christians or Jews should believe that everyone descended from only two humans. On the sixth day, God created men and women all over, outside Eden. The tightest point in genetic history according to Genesis would be right after the flood, but that also includes the spouses of Noah's children, not just his children.

    There are many creation myths that say we're all descended from only two people, but they're mostly Native American or European pagan.

  24. Re:indication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A fucktard brazilian padawan trying to lure Slashdotters. Poor try, dumbass.

  25. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first mutation that speciated humans was not expressed until many generation after it appeared. BY then it had become recessive in a great number of people, so Homo Sapiens could enjoy a population explosion.

  26. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Bible does not explicitly state that God created any women other than Eve. It does say "them" in a few places, without giving a number, but that could easily refer to "Adam and Eve," and this is the most natural conclusion since those are the only two people the Bible explicitly lists as having been created.

    While any reasonable person might infer that God created people in addition to Adam and Eve, any reasonable person might also realize that there is no good reason to take any of the text literally. Every word was put to paper by human hands, and humans are known to be fallible. The claim to infallibility is also made by humans, which are still themselves fallible. Human fallibility taints the entire Bible, and forces any reasonable person to regard the whole thing as ancient myth.

  27. Re:But.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This "abandoning of critical thinking skills" should not stun you. It is natural for humans to do this, and it normally takes a whole lot of education and training to impart into a person the ability to remain objective when confronted with emotionally-charged material.

    This *probably* has something to do with the limbic system's ability to short-circuit decision-making processes during a stressful situation. I am not a neurologist and can only speculate. But this phenomenon is nearly universal among humans, so I suspect the underlying mechanism was selected for.

    Indeed, the only reason anybody does not do this is because the human brain is so adaptable that cognitive processes like this can be overcome with training.

    Realize that people derive a sense of security from their religious beliefs. Most of them were indoctrinated as children, and told that if they ever abandoned these beliefs they would be tortured in fire forever, by God himself. Such emotionally-charged content, delivered at such an impressionable period, pretty much guarantees that objective and rational thought on the subject is impossible for the rest of one's life.

  28. Re:RTFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would an ancient story that some guys just made up be more relevant than a scientific theory that was the product of generations of research and refinement?

  29. life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why is there no life on moon ?

  30. God dropped a pencil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe God just dropped his pencil and the top broke off.

  31. Paywall avoidance, for one by tepples · · Score: 1

    Still it's the traditional poorly referenced third party article instead of the actual source article but what else do you expect?

    A lot of Slashdot's readership don't subscribe to numerous paywalled scientific journals, nor are they willing to pay $30 for a single article. Therefore, those who do take the time to read the featured article often have to rely on pop-science distillations.