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Government Team Experiments With Paying For Small Open Source Tasks (gsa.gov)

An anonymous reader writes: The U.S. General Services Administration has a team within it called 18F. They describe themselves as an open source, digital services delivery team. In other words, they create software for use by citizens and other government agencies, and the software they produce is open source. Starting next Monday, October 26, they're trying out an interesting new experiment for procuring open source code. Like any other agency, they have a budget, and they're allowed to contract out work when it makes sense to do so. But there's a difference between big projects and small ones.

If their purchase doesn't exceed $3,500, they have the authority to just do it. Higher than $3,500, and they (not to mention the contractors) have to deal with a bunch of extra red tape. This brings us to their experiment. They're developing a system that will let developers bid on small software projects the GSA needs. It starts at the cap for "micro-purchases," $3,499, and developers can bid it down if they feel it's easier. Once a bid is selected, the developer(s) have 10 working days to send back functioning code with a specific set of acceptance criteria. 18F isn't sure how well it'll work, but it's a cool way to try and make it easier for the open source community to build things for the government.

90 comments

  1. Communism by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    Software is one area where communism actually works.
    From each according to his (or her) ability, to each according to his (or her) needs.
    It is ironic that it is a capitalist country that is making it happen.

    1. Re:Communism by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Open source destroys good paying developer jobs.

      It destroys some jobs, and creates other jobs. But by eliminating repetitive work, it raises overall productivity. Economic progress comes from the more efficient production of goods and services, not by "keeping people busy".

    2. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will turn all developers into tenants. One of the tenets of a capitalist government is ensuring the rich rule the rest.

    3. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Open source developer by day, uber driver by night. The two are the same thing anyway, but for different industries.

    4. Re:Communism by dunkelfalke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But by eliminating repetitive work, it raises overall productivity.

      Case in point: KDE, Gnome, Enlightenment, Unity, Cinnamon, Mate, Xfce, LXDE...

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    5. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With so many projects conceptually duplicating the same thing over and over again, there really can be no argument that it is an elimination of repetitive work, can there now?

      Idiocy at its finest...

    6. Re:Communism by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      Like how public transport destroys good paying car manufacturing jobs.

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    7. Re: Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, because you certainly can't go out and find open source code and libraries to do what you need in nearly any language without having to reinvent the wheel can you?

      No wait... There is a difference between removing the need to reinvent the wheel and reinventing the wheel because you want to.

    8. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Open source destroys good paying developer jobs.

      So, it's perfect for capitalism as it lowers costs in so many ways.

      Only i you believe that your only value exists in the software. That's not true for most developers. That's not true for most workers. If you work for a company that sells software, it doesn't stop selling that software when you leave. If the software you wrote stops making money, it's likely that you'll be laid off. In other words, your work has been bought and paid for and is now owned by someone else.

      Most workers miss that. What has value is your skills, not the software you produced. I don't make money off of a job I did 10 years ago. The only people who are hurt by open source software are those who make money from selling software. Open source gives you tools to make more money.

    9. Re: Communism by plopez · · Score: 1

      "reinventing the wheel because you want to make money supporting and customizing it"

      Fixed that for you.

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    10. Re:Communism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then how come none of the open source products has as big a market share among "regular users" as the best of the proprietary products?

      How come none of the open source products has as good/polished/consistent a UI as the best of the proprietary products?

      Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan/user/participant of/in open source, mostly in the "free as in beer" way. It still mostly hasn't produced products that non-geeks use.

      The immediate response is going to be Android, but it is *not free* if you want to include the things that USERS actually want to use -- Google Play, etc.

    11. Re:Communism by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I guess you can look at is as a glass half full or half empty kind of situation, the more work is repeated the less work is required to spin off something new. Ubuntu doesn't repeat all Debian's work, Mint doesn't repeat Ubuntu's work. Even a whole new DE is reusing many components, they don't need to write a new kernel or window system or file systems or drivers or package system and so on to deliver a working system. On the flip side, the more spin-offs you have the greater the chance they'll work on similar and incompatible ways of solving the same thing. It won't make people magically all want the same thing and agree there's one true way of doing it. But they wouldn't do that anyway, they'd just be miserable when the product goes in a direction they don't like. Not entirely unlike when people complain about Microsoft or Apple.

      The only time you'd have real reason to be miserable is when the in-fighting is so disruptive to progress that either choice would be better than not making a choice. Like you're out walking the dog on a leash and you pass a post on opposite sides. One of you will have to back down and turn around, if you both play tug of war and refuse to yield neither of you are getting anywhere. And even then you don't have to be dragged along kicking and screaming, if you really don't want to play anymore take your ball and go home. I think a lot of open source contributors wouldn't be contributors if they had to work with certain people, particularly not those who contribute in their spare time for no pay. With no offence, there's certain co-workers I only tolerate for the paycheck.

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  2. need a sam.gov account by ConstantineM · · Score: 1

    You'd think this'll all go to the lowest bidder (read: "India"), but they do limit this to vendors registered with SAM.gov. Has anyone heard of it? Do you have to be officially incorporated to participate, or does sole proprietorship works, too? What's the criteria? Would it be worth it?

    1. Re:need a sam.gov account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just for laughs I visited sam.org and searched for Tata. It's there, of course!

    2. Re:need a sam.gov account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just for laughs I visited sam.org and searched for Tata. It's there, of course!

      Ex-Tata employee here, that is rich!

      Tata is such an in-efficient bunch of barely english speaking managers who treat the people who provide services to them like complete crap and wonder why in the end they have nothing.

      Tata is a fucking joke to the industry!

      Try hiring them sometime and you will get a service delivery manager that hardly ever speaks in meetings because he/she can barely understand you, ducks out on vacation without notice and blames all the fires they start on english speaking people around them.

      Save your money, Tata is a liability!

    3. Re:need a sam.gov account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TENANTS!

    4. Re:need a sam.gov account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tata is such an in-efficient bunch of barely english speaking managers who

      You do know that in-efficient means something quite different to inefficient?

    5. Re:need a sam.gov account by plopez · · Score: 1

      You for got to yell about "English".

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  3. Government Software IS open source - if we get it by qubezz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A basic tenant of US government-created IP, that you can see throughout Wikipedia for example, is that any work created by the government is free of copyright. All that is really missing is the packaged dissemination of the work clear of any other required IP like licensed or proprietary libraries. It shouldn't take a freedom of information act request.

    A United States government work is prepared by an officer or employee of the United States government as part of that person's official duties. It is not subject to copyright in the United States and there are no copyright restrictions on reproduction, derivative works, distribution, performance, or display of the work.

    This is a good reason to have federal government software developed in-house instead of outsourced to the likes of Oracle, so that it can continue to benefit American people and other branches of governments instead of it being a recurring tax by corporations on the public sector.

  4. Continuity by lymond01 · · Score: 1

    I suppose it matters less for the amount of code you'll get for $4000 with government standards, but having a contract with the developers for bug fixes, improvements, etc is useful if you don't have your own team. A $4000 application with no updates is, well, not worth the money.

    1. Re:Continuity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I suppose it matters less for the amount of code you'll get for $4000 with government standards, but having a contract with the developers for bug fixes,
      > improvements, etc is useful if you don't have your own team. A $4000 application with no updates is, well, not worth the money.

      It depends. If I write a short application that automates the deployment of switches that reduces the time to deploy from 2 hour to 15 mins and 10 people use the app and replace 20 switches(each) during a restack, I have saved 1.75 hours * 40 hours * 10 people * $20.00/hour = $14,000

      Even if the app breaks 1 year later it does not mater.

    2. Re:Continuity by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      You can pay $ for somebody to fix those bug and make improvements. Or do you think such work should be free?
      The difference is that now you can pay whoever you like to change that code, instead of being locked in to one specific developer.

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    3. Re:Continuity by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The first thing I thought of, when I read the summary, was that they'd never seen my code. Oh, it'll work. I don't think I've any reason to claim it will be maintainable. It probably won't be readable by anyone but me. That won't be intentional, I just suck. What do they expect for $3500 and ten days?

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    4. Re:Continuity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We expect you to have read and complied with about 40,000 pages of acquisition law and the terms of the contract, which probably include things like documentation. Now, nothing in here suggests that this is a "program" in acquisition speak, just a COTS off the shelf purchase, so there's no support inherent in the contract, but yeah, your post does fit in the "intent to defraud the united states government" category of evidence.

    5. Re:Continuity by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You'll be alright. I won't be submitting any code. I'd not wish that on anyone.

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  5. Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $350 a day for 10 days work. Sounds good to me.

    1. Re: Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds a bit cheap to me.
      I don't get out of bed for less than 500 a day

    2. Re:Neat! by ConstantineM · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, corporations aren't going to work on these things for 43,75 USD/hour.

      As you can see by the screenshots they provide, the average winning rate is 171 USD/hour, which does add up with the data from BLS.gov, since you have to account for benefits and a lot of the overhead, plus, they're looking for senior people, after all.

      http://www.bls.gov/oes/current...

    3. Re: Neat! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have ten Ents as tenants so luckily one the tenets of my existence is I earn $500 before I've even got out of bed.

    4. Re:Neat! by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      Nobody says you have to work on it for that length of time.
      If you can get it done in one day, it's $3500 per day.

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    5. Re:Neat! by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That sounds more sensible. $3500 only pays for something like 2-3 days though for a competent and senior engineer, so these should probably be called "tiny" projects.

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  6. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know he isn't saying anything, right? It's typed. Quit being such a sad, angry, sack. That attitude hasn't ever brought daddy back.

  7. Language choice by NaCh0 · · Score: 2

    With a few exceptions, their stuff is primarily Javascript, Ruby, and Python. If those aren't your languages, I don't think you'll have much luck finding tags to bid on.

    1. Re:Language choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Java is reserved for the projects that take ten years and go $1B over budget.

    2. Re: Language choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone decent in C++ will be able to work with those languages just fine. It doesn't take long to get familiar with the difference, and logically they are all pretty much the same once you get past syntax and structure.

  8. Ripe for petty corruption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    With a ten day delivery, the "preferred vendors" who get the info well ahead of the actual bid will know the larger project requirements and wind up delivering a big-bucks project in $3500 increments, each too small to sue over when they don't quite do the job and leaving any tough stuff to somebody else. No big change in the end-product, but a diffusion of the liability away from a prime vendor contract. Taxpayers will get to pay more.

    1. Re:Ripe for petty corruption by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      In theory, they are bidding each feature on a sheer cost basis

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  9. Yet another example by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1

    of having to bend over backwards around regs that were written with the best of intentions and end up doing at least as much harm as good. In this case, the good is making it trickier to piss away money on bad software; the bad is disincentivizing looking for a good $10k solution in favor of piecing together three or so half-assed $3499.99 solutions.

    I don't have the magic answer for how to prevent government waste, but having fixed caps like that across the board doesn't seem to be doing much good, because the waste is in making wrong priorities and going through the process to spend on them, not in overspending on the right priorities.

  10. Pessimism vs Optimism by argee · · Score: 1

    I think you are a Pessimist. The sky has dark clouds, and the weather is mostly wet, cold, damp and chilly around your house.
    I am an optimist. The sky is mostly blue, the plants are getting the rain they need, the fireplace is warm, the book is nice to
    read, and the forecast for the weekend is sunny and pleasant.
    I think this software experiment is a good thing.

  11. Do One Thing and Do It Well by jmd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do one thing and do it well, a basic tenant of Unix design. Maybe the government is following Unix philosophy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy#Do_One_Thing_and_Do_It_Well

    This could be a good thing.

    1. Re:Do One Thing and Do It Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's as good a tenant as KISS.

    2. Re:Do One Thing and Do It Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do one thing and do it well, a basic tenant of Unix design.

      Like using words properly, you mean?

    3. Re:Do One Thing and Do It Well by edittard · · Score: 2

      It's as good a tenant as KISS.

      I wouldn't let my property to a rock band. With all the drinking, drugs and wild parties the rent probably wouldn't cover the repairs.

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    4. Re:Do One Thing and Do It Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do not know how much rent Gene Simmons used to pay but I know Ace Frehley trashed a hotel room in 1994.

    5. Re:Do One Thing and Do It Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't let my property to a rock band

      Can anyone type will anymore?

    6. Re:Do One Thing and Do It Well by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

      Wrong band, mate. Tennant is a member of the Pet Shop Boys, who aren't particularly known for their wild parties and drugs.

    7. Re:Do One Thing and Do It Well by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Ah, have you forgotten your teachings? There are exceptions... Indeed.

      Master Foo instructed his students:

      “There is a line of dharma teaching, exemplified by the Patriarch McIlroy's mantra ‘Do one thing well’, which emphasizes that software partakes of the Unix way when it has simple and consistent behavior, with properties that can be readily modeled by the mind of the user and used by other programs.”

      “But there is another line of dharma teaching, exemplified by the Patriarch Thompson's great mantra ‘When in doubt, use brute force’, and various sutras on the value of getting 90% of cases right now, rather than 100% later, which emphasizes robustness and simplicity of implementation.”

      “Now tell me: which programs have the Unix nature?”

      After a silence, Nubi observed:

      “Master, these teachings may conflict.”

      “A simple implementation is likely to lack logic for edge cases, such as resource exhaustion, or failure to close a race window, or a timeout during an uncompleted transaction.”

      “When such edge cases occur, the behavior of the software will become irregular and difficult. Surely this is not the Way of Unix?”

      Master Foo nodded in agreement.

      “On the other hand, it is well known that fancy algorithms are brittle. Further, each attempt to cover an edge case tends to interact with both the program's central algorithms and the code covering other edge cases.”

      “Thus, attempts to cover all edge cases in advance, guaranteeing ‘simplicity of description’, may in fact produce code that is overcomplicated and brittle or which, plagued by bugs, never ships at all. Surely this is not the Way of Unix?”

      Master Foo nodded in agreement.

      “What, then, is the proper dharma path?” asked Nubi.

      The master spoke:

      “When the eagle flies, does it forget that its feet have touched the ground? When the tiger lands upon its prey, does it forget its moment in the air? Three pounds of VAX!”

      On hearing this, Nubi was enlightened.

      Not mine, obviously, but it and others are here.

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    8. Re:Do One Thing and Do It Well by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Assuming you're not joking, see the word tenant in the dictionary and other definitions of let.

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    9. Re:Do One Thing and Do It Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Throw in "Best practice" and "Occam's razor" for good measure, +5 Insightful guaranteed.

    10. Re:Do One Thing and Do It Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about that, I hear them East End Boys get pretty wild with those West End Girls.

    11. Re:Do One Thing and Do It Well by edittard · · Score: 1

      Depends if they'd been drinking Tennents or not.

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  12. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The words are almost homophones, regardless of the SPELLING, the context he used it in is correct and understood.

    It's quite normal for people to occasionally mix up some words when writing or typing, it doesn't mean they don't actually know the difference, it's a simple mistake.

    In some ways, if you can only process the exact spelled word, perhaps you are less intelligent than the people who cen ynterprit jst bout nething.

  13. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both also come from the Latin root teneo (“hold, keep”).

  14. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A basic tenant

    Tenet. Tenet. For the love of god you fucking moron it's tenet.

    Stop trying to use words you clearly don't fucking understand.

    The grammar nazi gig, never got anyone laid. You are going to die an unemployed virgin at this rate.

    Help us help you:

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  15. There you go, AniMoJo. I saved you the trouble. by Hognoxious · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I hope there are plans to include a statistically representative number (no, that's not a quota at all) of non-white, non-male, non-middle-class, non-hetero, non-cis, non-male bidders.

    There you go, AniMoJo. I saved you the trouble.

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  16. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The grammar nazi gig, never got anyone laid.

    That comma's wrong. Just saying!

  17. Re:There you go, AniMoJo. I saved you the trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean tenants? You insensitive clod!

  18. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your exclamation mark is wrong unless you go around yelling "Just saying" you annoying I told you so know it all tenant.

  19. Re: There you go, AniMoJo. I saved you the troubl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you open bidding up to the free market, you can't include any specific minorities.

  20. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The grammar nazi gig, never got anyone laid.

    That comma's wrong. Just saying!

    Fuck you, fuck you and COMMA, FUCK YOU!

  21. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A basic tenant of US government-created IP

    It is a TENET, a completely different word from TENANT, with a completely different meaning.

    Please start reading more literature so that you are no longer half-literate. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top!

  22. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's quite normal for people to occasionally mix up some words when writing or typing, it doesn't mean they don't actually know the difference, it's a simple mistake.

    From observation though, it most often happens with Americans. The Brits are very precise in that respect, and I have been observing both closely. The Americans also use comparatively small vocabulary as opposed to Brits, Ires or Scotts.

    My conclusion: Americans are barely literate because of their small vocabularies, poor reading comprehension, and constant misspelling of homophones. No other nation exhibits these pathologies as much as Americans. Please fix it by reading more, instead of being obsessed with consumer grade sports most only spectate in anyway.

  23. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The grammar nazi gig, never got anyone laid. You are going to die an unemployed virgin at this rate.

    The comma is superflous, and "nazi" should have been written with a capital "N". As far as having sex is concerned, I for example had sex thousands of times during my lifetime, so even if I never have sex again, I can mark it as "completed", and scratch that off of my list of achievements in life. And do note "off of" instead of just "off", which is incorrect. Ironically, and quite inconsequentially, I am highly likely to have sex tomorrow morning again...

  24. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

    You should start reading comments.
    Pretty much the same comment was posted by somebody else about three and a half hours ago.
    If I had to chose between reading an on-topic comment with spelling mistakes or a gramatically flawless off-topic comment that just repeats what somebody else already said, I'd chose the former.

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  25. Re: Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Masturbation doesn't count!

  26. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

    Not quite : public domain is not entirely open source and doesn't have quite the same list of positive points.

    Not least, public domain works can be taken and used without attribution. If you're a software developer in a gig economy, your reputation matters.

    And as you qualify : public domain in the USA.

    And while the "PERMISSIVE LICENSING!!!" crowd will jump on me for this, there are advantages to copyleft licensing that you can't have if the work is in public domain, because these licenses require copyright to have force.

    For example, software designed for interoperability is probably best licensed GPL or LGPL (to allow closed software to link to it), because this prevents one company making it's own "extensions" to it, thus rendering everyone else's implementation inferior. If you were a large player you could then exploit network effects to make your product the de-facto standard, eliminating the benefits of having interoperability in the first place. Copyleft licensing ensures that such improvements are available to everyone.

  27. consumer-grade. When lecturing English, speak it by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I've not heard of a sport which grades consumers. You probably meant consumer-grade sports. You also probably didn't mean to have the wor

  28. damn browser. The word "in" by raymorris · · Score: 1

    This browser likes to make the on-screen keyboard disappear as I type, meaning the "submit" button is suddenly where the "d" key was 3ms earlier.

    Along with your confusion about adjectives, how exactly does one spectate IN?

    If you're going to lecture someone about proper English, please kindly use proper English to do so.

  29. Wow, that's clever, innovative and sensible! by sabbede · · Score: 1

    Someone's gonna get fired.

    1. Re:Wow, that's clever, innovative and sensible! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really sucks if you want to make a living. This is a temp job at it's finest.

  30. Can we put Backdoors in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to ensure an Open Government!.

  31. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by amalcolm · · Score: 2

    Ires and Scotts? WTF Scotts is a brand of porrige oats. The Scots on the other hand are a proud nation etc.etc. Ires .. thata's a new one on me.

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  32. Re: Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about sex with donkeys ?

  33. Re:There you go, AniMoJo. I saved you the trouble. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you got whooshed. You don't even seem to be able to tell if he's being snarky or not.

  34. 3.5k? Peasants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EOC

  35. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> federal government software developed in-house...so that it can continue to benefit American people and other branches of governments

    Funniest thing I read all day. When's the last time a branch of government said "we want to adapt that other branch's software"? What we get instead is "we need a $2.5B XXX system, and it all has to be custom built because we're unique and awesome."

  36. I will write a POS for $3499! by plopez · · Score: 1

    To fix it I will only charge another $3499. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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    1. Re:I will write a POS for $3499! by argee · · Score: 1

      You only get paid AFTER it works.

  37. Re: There you go, AniMoJo. I saved you the troubl by plopez · · Score: 1

    There's no such thing as a free market, or a Free Market either.

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  38. Re:damn browser. The word "in" by plopez · · Score: 2

    I don't speak English I speak American. So stop kvetching, chill man and grab a taco or perogie at a drive through. Until then, hasta la vista.

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  39. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, too busy running world.
    kthxbye

  40. Re:Government Software IS open source - if we get by Lakitu · · Score: 1

    I mean, say what you will about the tenants of National Socialism, at least they pay their rent on time.

  41. MY TAIL by rawtatoor · · Score: 1

    How about integrity? How about sanctity? How about treason the law? How about the fourth amendment?.

    Hey asshole lawyers here, they give a shit about the bottom line looks like you just lost...

    As for me, military style.

    Obamas' cotton candy basically romulan that

    And what about this weed I gotta smoke until I die?

    How about wanting to to the right thing? How about facing the fear of execution for life because you fucked up once? How about that cabbie?

    What do they want? That's over their head. What do I want? Are you a fool?

  42. Things have changed by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    Contractors used to get prosecuted for intentionally subverting regulations to avoid oversight.

    Times certainly have changed.

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  43. Re:There you go, AniMoJo. I saved you the trouble. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    If the people you select aren't on average statistically representative of those groups who bid

    Nobody said anything about selection. Go fuck your strawman (sorry, strawperson) and burn it - not necessarily in that order.

    then it means you're selecting people based on their genitals.

    No it doesn't.

    Do you claim that the NBA (and NFL) selects based on epicanthic folds?

    You should really consider choosing people based on their skills, ability and qualifications, not on arbitrary accidents of birth.

    Why are you saying things you don't believe? Nutbag.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."