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Investigating the Complexity of Academic Writing (theatlantic.com)

biohack writes: While the general public might expect that researchers should want to maximize comprehension of their work, academic writing tends to follow an opaque style permeated with professional jargon and complex syntax. Proposed explanations for the emergence of this style range from experts generally finding it difficult to be simple when writing about their expertise to more complex social and cultural theories: "Cynics charge ... that academics play an elitist game with their words: They want to exclude interlopers. Others say that academics have traditionally been forced to write in an opaque style to be taken seriously by the gatekeepers—academic journal editors, for example."

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  1. Wrong crowd to ask! by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 0

    We have people here who like to either omit comments in their code, write obfuscated code, etc.

    Fight for your bitcoins!

  2. Word limit not helping by getuid() · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Publushing in high-ranking journals is often subject to various limits, i.e. 2500 words for an article, or 120 words for the summary etc. Having a conplex but interesting story to tell can then be quite challenging. Intricate language, with peer jargon, is often very compact. It's very rewarding to use it... :-)

    1. Re:Word limit not helping by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Depending on the field, the jargon does allow more concise explanations in a limited space and the intended audience will probably be familiar with it and have no problems with the jargon. As long as the study design and statistical analysis are easy to understand, I don't think it's a problem.

      But there are other disciplines where it seems like it's a competition to find the best purple prose and to say as little as possible with as many words as possible or obfuscate one's meaning so much that it's impossible to infer the author's real meaning. There's a reason that something like the postmodernism generator exists.

      Take a look at the Sokal hoax for a good example of this. Some journal (and one that just has authors pay for publications) accepted an article that was utter nonsense by intent.

    2. Re:Word limit not helping by avandesande · · Score: 2

      How much text would it take to make a submission in a theoretical physics journal understandable to the average person.

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    3. Re:Word limit not helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thank god too, or else I would ramble on way too long.

    4. Re:Word limit not helping by Obfuscant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How much text would it take to make a submission in a theoretical physics journal understandable to the average person.

      Can't talk about physics specifically, but in the journals I read it would double the size of the article to just make every point explicit. I.e., there are a lot of things that are written that depend on the reader having a good enough background to understand the implications. To make it understandable to the "average person" would take an entire journal for each article. There have been times when I've had to reread one sentence several times and then look at the equations before I could get the full meaning.

      Reading a scientific article is not like reading a newspaper or story in People. It takes work. Doing it any other way would make the articles too long and boring to the intended audience. Making it transparent to the "average person" would leave the average intended reader going "yes, that's obvious ...".

    5. Re:Word limit not helping by sirlark · · Score: 1

      It's also that fact that everything has to be a hedge. You can't simply say, "My original research results show that stimulus A causes response B with p<0.5, and this is what I did". The first problem with that sentence is that you have to be both original (work not done before) and not original (work based closely on work someone else has already published, or else it's too much of a leap). The second problem with that sentence is that you have to hedge, saying instead "seems to indicate", or "possibly blah blah". Also you are forced to spend more time explaining what other people have done with references, than explaining your own work. If it takes you more than a paragraph to explain your own work (which shouldn't have references, because it has to original right?) then you "don't have enough references" because every statement you make must be supported by a reference, never mind that the interesting statements are the stuff you shouldn't be able to to reference because it's new stuff.

      Regarding word limits: instead of having a strict word limit of 2500 (for example), instead have a hard limit of 5000, and discounts for every hundred words below that, assuming the publishers are taking money to publish... sorry, silly me, of course they are

    6. Re:Word limit not helping by joe_frisch · · Score: 3, Informative

      For theoretical physics I think it is hopeless. There are just too man concepts that would take too long to introduce. I'm a PhD physicist and I can't read theoretical physics papers - not the jargon, but I'm just not comfortable with the concepts. Just try explaining a HIggs boson to a non-physicist - and that is a decades old concept. Strings are hopeless, but they are just the basics needed for modern physics.

      Other subjects are probably similar.

    7. Re:Word limit not helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For theoretical physics I think it is hopeless. There are just too man concepts that would take too long to introduce. I'm a PhD physicist and I can't read theoretical physics papers - not the jargon, but I'm just not comfortable with the concepts. .

      You should try this elegant paper, written by a smart and humble physicist, whose primary language was not English. The best example of crystal clear writing.

    8. Re:Word limit not helping by chipschap · · Score: 1

      But there are other disciplines where it seems like it's a competition to find the best purple prose

      Math textbooks, for one. I've seen so many texts at a more advanced level where the author's purpose is evidently to dazzle the student reader with his or her "brilliance" even if it makes the text no longer something the student can learn from.

    9. Re:Word limit not helping by lgw · · Score: 1

      How much text would it take to make a submission in a theoretical physics journal understandable to the average person.

      As a sibling post pointed out, Einstein's papers were quite readable. The jargon associated with Sting Theory was, as it turns out, a huge red flag that the entire field was a waste of time and careers.

      QM in a bit of an odd duck, as beyond a certain point you can't explain the details in any natural language, it has to be math. That's fine, that's not jargon. QM has a particular problem in that some in the field seem to delight in QM being hard for non-experts to understand, and that attitude shouldn't come through in the prose. What you have to express using math, express using math, but that's no excuse for the English (or whatever natural language) to be cryptic and obfuscated with jargon.

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    10. Re:Word limit not helping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading a scientific article is not like reading a newspaper or story in People. It takes work.

      On one hand, I do agree that there's a place for precise terminology (e.g. "adsorbed" versus "absorbed" or "allele frequency" versus "gene frequency") - and that it can take time and effort to get up to speed on the precise terminology for a particular field.

      But, in the field that I'm in (biomedical research) there is a huge amount of turd polishing. A typical narrative goes something like this...

      The principle investigator (P.I.) happens across some research in a field he doesn't really know much about but where Dunning-Kruger causes him to think he can do better. So he tells some overworked subordinate (e.g. grad student or post-doc) to do some simple-minded experiment without being aware of the proper controls that should be run. So the subordinate tries to do the experiment but messes up and, as a result gets results that, if true, would represent a major scientific discovery. Well, about this time the P.I. is starting to run out of grant money and feeling desperate so the P.I. throws a hail mary and writes up a grant application based on this bogus result, and by random chance the grant reviewers end up funding the grant (maybe they had just had nice breakfast and were in a particularly good mood when reviewing the grant, or maybe they were feeling desperate for a major result in their field, or maybe they just happened to be friends with the P.I. who submitted the grant).

      So, anyway, by this time the subordinate who messed up the original experiment has moved on (e.g. graduated with a PhD) and the P.I. hires a couple new subordinates who are desperate for work with young families to support. But, within a few months it becomes clear that the whole premise of the grant was based on bogus original results. So, what to do? If biomedical research jobs and research funding were easily available then it might be feasible for the new hires to resign and to give back the grant money. But this is the real world. So instead everyone has to essentially fake it for the next few years to bleed the grant dry - not actually fabricating results - but instead taking minor incidental results and making them look big and important and relevant to the original grant topic - that is, turd polishing. Now, sometimes the minor incidental results do actually have value in and of themselves. But they tend to be buried in some very deep BS.

      So, overwhelmingly when I read a paper in my field, the challenge is to figure out what actually happened and why they did what they did - in order to, hopefully, eventually sort through all the nonsense and extract out the few tidbits of useful information. And it would actually save me a lot of time if such papers were actually written like People magazine where they just gave a clear account of all the Kafkaesque history behind why they ended up doing what they did: "Yeah, mostly we were just faking in order to feed our families but we did discover a couple very minor but possibly useful things along the way..."

  3. Torus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many know what a torus is? For those that do, should writers dumb it down to "donut-shaped object"?

    1. Re:Torus by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You mean its not a car made by Ford?

    2. Re:Torus by behrooz0az · · Score: 1

      I can't care less because I don't do 3d graphics or physics or math. If I did I would go die in a ditch somewhere.

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    3. Re:Torus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're mean and nasty, and I think you should just go die in a ditch somewhere.

    4. Re:Torus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's "Taurus".

  4. Non academics don't get it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Journal articles are written to get past reviewers in prestigious journals. Blame the publish or perish system.

  5. Scientists should be *everything*! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well no shit.

    1. Writing well is hard. These are people who have devoted their lives to science not writing. Expecting them to be good at both is common, but silly.

    2. Jargon gets a bad rap, unecessarily so. Yes it makes it harder for outsiders, but with it aids communication because you don't have to have long winded and inaccurate descriptions of commonly used things every time.

    For example, I can talk about corner detection and most people in computer vision would immediately know what I'm talking about wit hme using only two words. Space is imited, and verbosity is also harmful.

    3. Many many scientists do not have English as a first language, yet it is the language of almost all journals of any repute.

    4. Deadlines These things happen.

    5. No one pays them to write better. Your job security is based on the amount of science done. If scientists put more time into writing and less into doing science then they risk falling behind and losing a job in a brutally competitie market.

    So: if you want scientists to write better, you have to allocate money for it.

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    1. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Biologist · · Score: 1

      Great summary. Technical language is used because, well, to understand and reproduce an experiment, one has to be absolutely precise in his/her descriptions and speak "technically". Word processors are pretty good at catching misspellings and many common grammatical issues, so folks should at least take the time to run this at least at the end.

    2. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chemist here - the jargon is necessary to convey our complex views in one word. If Im writing and use: SOJT (second-order Jahn Teller), all chemists in my field know what Im talking about. Its not always pompousness. Many things we discuss dont have good 'regular' word analogies and we stretch the meaning of other words for our own use. Its not uncommon for someone to invent a word and try to use it to describe a process or molecule.

      I never thought too much about the style of academic journal writing because it takes a long time in the field before you have the knowledge to even comment on this type of writing. In this case each field has their own idiosyncrasies.

    3. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well no shit.

      1. Writing well is hard. These are people who have devoted their lives to science not writing. Expecting them to be good at both is common, but silly.

      2. Jargon gets a bad rap, unecessarily so. Yes it makes it harder for outsiders, but with it aids communication because you don't have to have long winded and inaccurate descriptions of commonly used things every time.

      For example, I can talk about corner detection and most people in computer vision would immediately know what I'm talking about wit hme using only two words. Space is imited, and verbosity is also harmful.

      3. Many many scientists do not have English as a first language, yet it is the language of almost all journals of any repute.

      4. Deadlines These things happen.

      5. No one pays them to write better. Your job security is based on the amount of science done. If scientists put more time into writing and less into doing science then they risk falling behind and losing a job in a brutally competitie market.

      So: if you want scientists to write better, you have to allocate money for it.

      I agree whole heatedly on points 2-4 and mostly on points 1 and 5. I really do want to point out though, that "science is the only thing that matters" to academics is a pretty common misconception. Papers are "the beans" which get counted in academia. Writing matters a lot and the good academics, or at least the "popular" ones are good at both. In fact, often the famous ones are master story tellers.

      To point 5, I agree job security is tied to science productivity, which is tied to paper writing, which is tied to how you write. Quality and story telling being a part of that, and for the cynics, appealing to reviewers is another part.

      I want to reiterate, that the above 5 points are great but that 1 and 5 are a bit more nuanced and there is a large pool of bad academics that really are only interested in the science, who will make discoveries that never get shared or read and are doomed to be rediscovered because they can't or won't write. But, the good ones really have to be good at science and writing.

      (note: There are other academics besides scientists, and scientists that aren't in academia, but for the sake of this discussion I'm mostly talking about academics who are scientists because that's what I know.)

    4. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a pile of drivel. You've obviously never read any real academic journals. The published works are extremely well written, but they're written using a thesaurus's most obscure entries, to make them near impossible to digest. It has fuck all do with any of your Daily Mail level excuses.

    5. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Word processors

      the what now?

      I don't think I've reviewed a single paper written on a word processor which was't utter junk. Papers in computer vision are almost universally written in LaTeX. It tends to be that the people who don't use the de-facto tools of the trade also don't tend to write terribly good papers.

      But yes, a wordprocessor or even half decent text editor will catch spelling errors. The grammar checker is totally useless though.

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    6. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Chemist here - the jargon is necessary to convey our complex views in one word. If Im writing and use: SOJT (second-order Jahn Teller), all chemists in my field know what Im talking about. Its not always pompousness. Many things we discuss dont have good 'regular' word analogies and we stretch the meaning of other words for our own use. Its not uncommon for someone to invent a word and try to use it to describe a process or molecule.

      I absolutely agree with this. The reason we have jargon is the same reason we have nouns. It's useful to have a word with which things can be referred to. It's also hard to know what people mean when they refer to "no jargon". How far precisely does one have to back off before it's jargon free? I assume mathematical concepts like even "convolution" shouldn't get a free pass.

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    7. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I was referring to academic scientists as well for the same resons.

      I agree about 1 and 5. Good writing certainly helps. It's better overall if you can explain clearly, because if you can't commnuicate, then you don't really contribute to the pool of knowledge.

      But writing is hard. Some people can write well naturally. Most students though have dropped most writing related training some time previously to concentrate on the science. Dragging a first paper out of a new PhD student is generally an incredibly painful and longwinded process.

      Basically most people have to be taught how to write in an acceptable way. I'm not claiming to be especially good or anything though.

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    8. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I'm automatically more likely to trust a paper if it uses Computer Modern font. And less likely to trust it if I can tell that instances of "fl" and "fi" have not been converted to ligatures. :)

    9. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      1. Yet the only measurable output a scientist makes is in writing.

      2. Reminds me of an old joke. Suppose a mathematician knows how to make tea when he has an empty kettle. He will first fill it with water, boil the water, and then add milk and sugar. Suppose you give him a kettle full of water. The first thing he will do is dump the water. This is because he already knows how to boil water starting with a empty kettle.

      People chain jargon together when there's a simpler explanation possible.

      3. The ones with English as a first language write so poorly and the others try to emulate them.

      4. Deadlines don't just happen if you plan.

      5. Job security of a scientist is writing. Researchers are measured in terms of the papers they write, not science they produce.

      More money is not the answer here.There should be some leadership in addressing the problems in writing in science. There are few books and tutorials regarding these but firstly an actual guideline to writing should be addressed. Afterwards, classes or samples of desired writing style should be distributed. I know busy researchers won't care but young scientists who are starting on their first paper will greatly benefit from those rather than someone throwing a stack of papers and saying write something like this.

    10. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      4. Deadlines don't just happen if you plan.

      You can't plan to make research go faster. If your big result comes 3 days before the prestigious conference deadline, then you have 3 days to write the paper.

      5. Job security of a scientist is writing. Researchers are measured in terms of the papers they write, not science they produce.

      No that misses the nuance of it. The job security of the scientist is essentially citations. The writing has to be merely good enough.

      More money is not the answer here.There should be some leadership in addressing the problems in writing in science.

      But that leadership costs money.

      There are few books and tutorials regarding these but firstly an actual guideline to writing should be addressed.

      That needs money to create.

      Afterwards, classes or samples of desired writing style should be distributed.

      That needs money to do.

      I know busy researchers won't care

      And that's because of money. If they don't churn out enough well cited papers with merely good enough writing, someone will stop paying them and they have to find gainful employment elsewhere.

      Scientists are not paid to do excellent writing. Their career is determined solely by impact. If you want to alter that then you need a pool of money to pay scientists who are not quite as high flying but write excellent papers. Or change the compensation structure to reflect your desires.

      Without altering the flow of money it's al empty wishes.

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    11. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it aids communication because you don't have to have long winded and inaccurate descriptions of commonly used things every time.

      It also helps with precision.

      As an example: Is a gorilla a monkey? There are several different conceptions about what "monkey" means, and depending on which one you're talking about, a gorilla may or may not fall under that classification. (For example, there are many who would say that a gorilla is an ape, not a monkey, but others would point out that cladistically, the split between old world and new world monkeys happened prior to the old world monkey/gorilla split so the "monkey" clade includes gorillas.) But you can say "Gorillas are members of Simiiformes" with complete confidence.

      Likewise, most (lay) people would express surprise when you claim that chickens are dinosaurs, but pterodactyls are not. But again, claims regarding Dinosauromorpha are more well defined and unlikely to generate dissent.

      Mathematics is riddled with such examples. Terms like "dual" "measure" "distribution" even "square" and "circle" have definitions as mathematics jargon which are much more precise and defined than their casual use would imply. If a mathematician says "X forms a measure over Y", it has a much more precise and exacting meaning than would be implied by, for example, a carpenter saying "You can use X to measure Y". There are plenty of examples where "You can use X to measure Y" applies for the everyday meaning of "measure", but doesn't meet the mathematical criteria of "measure".

    12. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Word processors

      the what now?

      I don't think I've reviewed a single paper written on a word processor which was't utter junk. Papers in computer vision are almost universally written in LaTeX. It tends to be that the people who don't use the de-facto tools of the trade also don't tend to write terribly good papers.

      But yes, a wordprocessor or even half decent text editor will catch spelling errors. The grammar checker is totally useless though.

      If you speak a halfway decent language the spellchecker is totally useless too as it will expect your language to consist of a finite amount of words.

    13. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'm automatically more likely to trust a paper if it uses Computer Modern font. And less likely to trust it if I can tell that instances of "fl" and "fi" have not been converted to ligatures. :)

      I am generally less like to trust article using Computer Modern, it is one of the first things students learn to change in LaTex, and if I see ligatures in computer code, something has gone very very wrong.

    14. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

      1. Writing well is hard. These are people who have devoted their lives to science not writing. Expecting them to be good at both is common, but silly.

      Exactly. A lot of scientists are just really bad at writing. They aren't trying to be unintelligible, but they lack the skill to do better.

      I could say they should have taken more English classes in college, but honestly, have you tried reading any academic writing by literature professors? The jargon and unintelligibility can be just as bad as any science paper.

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    15. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ, the /. trolls become lamer and more obvious every day. What has become of the fine art of trolling?

    16. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      If you speak a halfway decent language the spellchecker is totally useless too as it will expect your language to consist of a finite amount of words.

      Well, most academic writing is in English. Apparently this doesn't qualify as a halfway decent language...? But it certainly has a finite amount of words and a spell checker catches many common typos. For jargon words not in the dictionary, those are trivial to add and there's a finite number of them too.

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    17. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      But young scientists are the busy researchers! It's "publish or perish", so the only thing that young researchers care about is how to get their papers past the reviewers. The competition on the academic job market has become insane and it's mostly about counting the number of publications in top journals.

      My personal experience is that lucid and clear writing does not help at all, more technical and obscure papers seem to generally have a higher chance of being accepted. What helps is extensive proof reading and copy editing by a native speaker of English before you send your paper to a journal, but that service costs a lot of money in the long run and only few institutes and faculties provide it for their researchers. Where I work I can only dream of that, I can be happy if there is paper for our printer.

    18. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      But it's not supposed to be a pissing contest about formatting or putting up arbitrary barriers. It's that there's a correlation between poor papers and use of word. I have literally never had a paper to review that was written in word that's been good enough to accept.

      I have seen no correlation with choice of font, and CMR is, in fact a very common choice, especially as some journal style files actually use it. BMVC (a computer vision conference) certainly does. By distrusting CMR, you're automatically distrusting everyone who uses the provided style file.

      The reason for the correlation is that someone who uses word is not using the tools of the trade. This means they're not especially familiar with the area. Very often the papers are extremely simplistic and miss references to papers which have already done the same thing but better.

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    19. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      Well, that's because they call it "literary science" ;-)

    20. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      True, but most who uses LaTex often tend to evolve their own defaults. I rarely see CMR, either a paper has its own style, the style forced on them by publisher, or a wellknown default package downloaded from the internet.

    21. Re:Scientists should be *everything*! by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Well, most academic writing is in English. Apparently this doesn't qualify as a halfway decent language..

      No ;)

      Though more accurately English is fine, but many spell-checkers are poorly implemented for other languages.

  6. Jargon by Spazmania · · Score: 2

    We use jargon so that we don't have to re-explain basic concepts over and over again. There's an art to knowing when it's a good idea to re-explain a concept anyway, to knowing the difference between concise and terse. Few technical folks possess that artistry.

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    1. Re:Jargon by duckintheface · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think this is basically correct. Another way to say it is that "simple" is not always clear. But good technical writers will make the text as simple as possible, consistent with clarity. I remember in my Chemistry 101 class I had written a description of an experiment. The grad student grading the work had written over my text "Make it sound more scientific!". and the professor who had checked the papers had written on top of that, "NO".

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    2. Re:Jargon by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 2

      Not all scientists and other academics write in a complex, jargon filled style, but many do. I have tended to stop using so many acronyms because sentences start to sound like code, rather than plain English. There has been a shift toward writing in as simple a way as possible considering the subject matter. It is tough to go into lots of details about a genome-wide association study and the mapped gene alterations in at-risk groups (single nucleotide polymorphisms and others) without getting a bit complicated though. Still, I think there is a move in the direction of clear writing that is understandable to the widest audience possible.

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    3. Re:Jargon by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 2

      Not only that, but we are almost always writing for a specific targeted audience, not the general public.

      It would be horribly boring to read papers written in the field you are studying if they all explained the same thing over and over again as half of the papers content. Well written papers will explain less common jargon / terms once, the first time they are used, while not having to explain common jargon to the field.

      I for one don't want to write to the lowest common denominator about my research. I write so other people in the field will be able to look at my work and see how it fits in with all the other research that has been done, as well as give them ideas as to what they could research next.
              I don't care if some random person from the general public doesn't understand what I am writing about, as it really has no effect on them. They can either 1: not understand what I am writing about, or 2: make the effort to understand what I am writing about ( you know, actually LEARN something by doing further research ).

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    4. Re:Jargon by myrdos2 · · Score: 2

      I was once looking for a method of calculating 1-way latency between two computers. The standard method is to take a packet's round trip time, and divide by two. But that only gives you the average latency. It might take 100 ms to send the packet, and 20 ms to receive the response, but RTT/2 gives you 60 ms for each. So I found this paper where a grad student claimed to have found a more accurate method, and had this huge formula to represent it. I spent a whole day reading that paper, and at the end I found that his formula actually just simplified down to RTT/2. The whole paper was time-wasting garbage that had somehow gotten published.

      Science articles: a guide. It's sad how many papers are in the bottom-right corner of this graph.

    5. Re:Jargon by renderhead · · Score: 1

      Targeting science journalists is a good middle ground between targeting only experts in your field and trying to target absolutely everyone. Like the parent said, "explain less common jargon / terms once," and you can figure that a journalist worth their salt will already know or be able to look up the more common terms.

      Doing this has the added bonus that if your work happens to be newsworthy, it's much more likely that it will be explained correctly in the mainstream media.

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    6. Re:Jargon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you're saying is true, but I'm sure you've refereed a number of papers written by new graduate students that were following the mantra if 'If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.' A lot of published work is written to hide the author's incompetence.

    7. Re:Jargon by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      IEEE journals within my area of expertise are often nearly indecipherable. Often once you penetrate the awful overuse of lingo anf jargon, the underlying achievement wilts. I think the authors often know this and use buzzwords and obfuscation to get published since they can't do so otherwise.

    8. Re:Jargon by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Not all scientists and other academics write in a complex, jargon filled style, but many do.

      I have found that the amount of complexity and jargon is inversely correlated with the competence of the scientist. Great scientists, like Richard Feynman, and Albert Einstein, were famous for their clear and simple explanations. Poor scientists use a lot of complexity and jargon to camouflage the fact that they aren't actually saying anything important.

    9. Re:Jargon by KGIII · · Score: 1

      My degree's in Applied Mathematics. You should see our papers... They're almost nothing but numbers and symbols!

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    10. Re:Jargon by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      Well, that may be true, but I have no way of confirming that because some excellent works that I have read were extremely dense and complicated since the subject matter required it. Albert Einstein never had to explain biology. He would have probably said it was too complicated for him to explain properly, because, to be honest, it is. Relativity, while not obvious to most people, is still a relatively simple concept (pun intended).

      So you are probably right that more competent writers are better at making things understandable to more readers, but there is a limit to that when the subject gets really complicated by a huge number of tiny, interrelated details with complex regulatory cycles and dense layers of complexity from microscopic to macroscopic.

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    11. Re:Jargon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've reviewed papers like this. It's exhausting, though thankfully in a very small minority. They take an existing concept, add a teensy bit of new and shiny, then confect a whole world a notations, jargon, acronyms and verbosity to obscure things. So you spend a week or so decoding to see if there are any nuggets of gold hidden in the ocean of shit, send back a rejection, and chances are the paper will simply get bounced back for another round.

      It's particularly difficult for early career researchers who are more prone to be blinded by obscurity and mistake it for brilliance. Well either that or hit accept out of sheer exhaustion.

    12. Re:Jargon by plover · · Score: 1

      I've found a good place to practice simplification skills is to spend some time editing articles on SimpleWiki http://simple.wikipedia.org/

      By limiting your vocabulary to simple words, you really have to capture the essence of the thing you're describing. Other resources for details still exist outside of the simple wiki if the reader needs them. And there is a never-ending supply of badly written articles that can use your help.

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    13. Re:Jargon by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      Yes. Keeping the wording as simple as possible without sacrificing meaning is laudable. But some would argue that you may lose elegance when a more obscure word or phrase is more enlightening, but less well understood. So I suppose there is a balance that needs to be maintained between simplicity and sublime.

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    14. Re:Jargon by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      They're almost nothing but numbers and symbols!

      Aren't ALL scientific papers nothing but numbers and symbols?

    15. Re:Jargon by KGIII · · Score: 1

      For some definition of symbol, yes. Assuming we're to consider the alphabet symbols then, certainly. You *might* be over-thinking it, however. ;-)

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    16. Re:Jargon by pepty · · Score: 1

      We use jargon to avoid ambiguity. If you want your work to be replicated, or in many cases even understood, you have to be specific. The term "coupling agent" makes sense and is almost self explanatory in chemistry, but it could refer to (1-[Bis-(dimethylamino)methyliumyl]-1H-1,2,3-triazolo[4,5- b]pyridine-3-oxide hexafluorophosphate) or maybe (2-(1H-benzotriazol-1-yl)-1,1,3,3-tetramethyluronium hexauorophosphate), or maybe just dicyclohexylcarbodiimide. You can use the acronyms instead, but both the author and the audience still need to know what the molecules are if they are going to understand why a specific one was used.

    17. Re:Jargon by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Naw, the more complicated the subject is, the more benefit you get from attempting to communicate clearly and efficiently. It is silly to presume it is a wasted effort unless the result is some sort of maximal simplicity. There is a giant sack of assumptions here, and I'll bet many of them are also involved in the low quality of academic writing referred to in the story.

      Just because the subject is dense, that doesn't mean that the subject benefits less from clarity, or for removing jargon words in the cases where the simpler literary word contains the desired meaning. Subject complexity is no excuse for inaniloquent longiloquence or grandiloquent cacology. I don't think anybody is demanding suaviloquence, merely planiloquent discourse.

    18. Re:Jargon by pepty · · Score: 2
      Those two were certainly great communicators, but they had the advantage of describing very general phenomena, as opposed to things that have to be classified based on ten different axes of minute differences. If Einstein had studied the role of the central lateral nucleus of the thalamus vs the paracentral nucleus of the thalamus he would have used jargon when speaking to neuroscientists.

      Poor scientists use a lot of complexity and jargon to camouflage the fact that they aren't actually saying anything important.

      I think excessive jargon is much more a problem in the humanities than it is in most sciences. To get published in most journals you need to be able to condense your work down to an "elevator speech" for the abstract and the conclusions. You may also have to condense that down even further to a simple cartoon for the graphical abstract. You also generally have to be able to intelligibly present a poster of your work to people who are only tangentially involved in your field.

    19. Re:Jargon by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I know this is a crazy thing to say, but if you read the story you'll find that isn't what they're talking about. The problem is not that specialists use specialist jargon freely, it is that they use longwinded specialist jargon to explain the simplest of concepts, and jump through significant syntactic hoops in order to construct sentences that use the jargon words repeatedly and exclusively, and entirely without cause. Just see the examples in the story. Nobody is talking about dumbing-down papers, they're talking about papers whose mundane content has a high density of jargon, often arranged in a grammatically strained manner that serves no purpose other than to make it sound like it is describing something more complicated or specialized than it actually is.

      They even accuse researchers of doing it intentionally in order to make in unreadable by people not specialized enough to understand it. Is that a useful function for a specialist? Is that really the alternative to the lowest common denominator, or is that a false choice?

    20. Re:Jargon by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Simply put, scientifically accurate and correct makes for a poor read. Things like references and foot notes et al whilst valid do disrupt the whole reading process and create disjointed prose. In printed format there is no real solution however in digital format two versions could be provided, the more scientific accurate and correct version and a more readable and enjoyable version.

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    21. Re:Jargon by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 2

      Not sure how much of the primary literature you read, I have to read it every day. Acronyms have become a nightmare, some articles I have read have a 1/4 of a page of listed acronyms in a footnote at the beginning. Single sentences can have up to 5 or 6 acronyms in them. So I would start by telling researchers to cool it with the acronyms. You can't write clearly in 3 and 4 letter codes. Nonetheless, some of these articles are extremely well written and very clear as long as you know the acronyms. I rarely run into poorly written or overly complicated articles in the better journals.

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    22. Re:Jargon by Stuarticus · · Score: 2

      I have found that the amount of complexity and jargon is inversely correlated with the competence of the scientist. Great scientists, like Richard Feynman, and Albert Einstein, were famous for their clear and simple explanations.

      They may have been - WHEN THEY WERE SPEAKING TO THE PUBLIC - academic writing is different matter, maybe you should review their papers to appreciate the difference.

      http://www.academia.edu/375613...

      https://www.google.co.uk/url?s...

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    23. Re:Jargon by Reapy · · Score: 1

      GPS timestamps for the win.

    24. Re:Jargon by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I find the examples in the story to be of a totally different character than excess acronyms. When there are a lot of acronyms it is likely to be information dense. They're not talking about high information density being opaque, they're talking about the writing being opaque even just when saying basic, 101-level things that would be said with normal English words by members of their own field.

      I read primary literature from multiple fields, and it is a serious problem. Much less so in hard science, because it is usually not accessible anyways. There is no benefit to making it intentionally opaque. Worst is in the life sciences, where the opaque style is often used to mimic information density. When it is outside your main field, it can take a significant effort to figure out that they're just repeating basic known things in a complicated way, and don't actually have any information that benefits from narrow jargon. For example, lets say somebody is claiming to have discovered some biological effect, and you're reading their paper with an interest in making a sensor related to it. It can be very frustrating, even where you already read a bunch of similar papers and have spent time with a glossary. When they start getting obtuse, you have to be very careful because they might just be blowing smoke and trying to sound more important, or there might be a subtle difference in the implications that is actually the main point of the paper. Low quality writing hurts that from both sides; there is a giant pile of over-written hogwash for every subtle distinction that is hopelessly buried, but it is missing the underwritten one that does the actual damage. Lost time and annoyance in one thing, but the more crap papers there are the harder it is to identify the diamonds.

      If it is well written and obviously important, who cares? 20 other companies are already building the sensor before the paper finished peer review. In that case I'll wait for the abstract of the abstract to be published in New Scientist.

    25. Re:Jargon by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Right, but the story isn't about that. In the sense that the story is talking about, in the context of their examples, your statement is false. The discussion is not about information density being difficult for people to understand, the story is about poor writing making things needlessly obtuse. The disjointed prose discussed is actually disjointed; it is not just a false perception created by the untrained eye wandering off to check footnotes.

      The contrast between the examples given and the picture you paint is rather stark. Even if you're not going to read the story, at least skim it for the first example paragraph. You'll find your mistake amusing, I wager.

    26. Re:Jargon by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      I am a life scientist, and I don't see that much at all with top tier journals. Could you point me to an example of a top tier journal article in the life sciences that is intentionally opaque? I would be very interested to see what you are talking about because I usually only run into that with lower end journals and researchers who are not native English writers.

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    27. Re:Jargon by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The examples we're talking about are quoted in the story which is something I made very clear in the comment you're replying to. Honestly, you're not leaving me convinced you would know the difference.

    28. Re:Jargon by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      Didn't see a single research article quoted in the piece that pointed to a top tier journal article that used the "offensive" writing style. So I will ask again, could you point me to one of the offending articles? The quote from one supposed offender that was embedded in the article is not anything like a life science article from a top tier journal. I am beginning to think you don't have examples, and you are just assuming there must be lots of them based on someone else's writing. So, please, stop bringing my ability to "know the difference" into this discussion and show me at least one such article so I can understand your point.

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    29. Re:Jargon by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If you've narrowed what you're willing to consider in a way that excludes the examples in the story, then you're just ignoring what the subject is, and talking anyways. Whatever you said, am I clear that your position is that it doesn't apply to the subject at hand?

    30. Re:Jargon by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      Life sciences research is done by academics at universities, like where I work. They write technical articles, like I do. I was pointing out that in my field, neuroscience, and in fields that I also follow closely such as genetics and cancer, that I do not run into this issue at all in any of the mid level or top tier journals. So I don't see this as an issue at all. The examples given were not from the biomedical research, which makes up a huge proportion of the literature cited at PubMed. If this is a problem is psychology or other fields, I can't speak to that because I don't follow that literature.

      Maybe you want to argue that biomedical research does not make up a large proportion of academic writing that is published in journals?

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    31. Re:Jargon by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Right, you don't agree that the problem exists. That is funny. Keep pretending you read a lot of content, "The Real Dr."

      I would indeed that want to argue that this problem exists in biomedical research, and also that you were unable to discuss the examples in the story, which is what is being discussed as examples of the problem. Your own writing here is completely obtuse. You intentionally refuse to consider the subject at hand, in order to make pompous proclamations about how important you are, and how smarty you are, and how everybody in your field is so smarty that they aren't affected by opaque language.

      Honestly, it doesn't sound very smarty to me. And, it sounds like you read narrowly within your field, and have no clue at all what the general state of scientific writing is.

    32. Re:Jargon by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      Aighearach, you can check out my publication record at PubMed. Type in moffett jr and hit enter and you will see my publications. What is your experience in the area of academic writing? Please direct me to your publication record. When you feel the need to start insulting people, you have obviously lost the debate. You offered us no information, but you are quick to insult. Maybe you are the one who needs to do a little cogitation Aighearach.

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    33. Re:Jargon by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

      No response from Aigherach who wrote "I would indeed that want to argue that this problem exists in biomedical research..." while talking about poor writing styles in others. We are still waiting for you to show us your trove of scientific publications at PubMed Aighearach. What I don't understand is where your level of arrogance is coming from, and why you can't have a civil discussion.

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  7. Precision can seem opaque by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Writing for a technical audience requires precision. There's often a trade-off between properly (and responsibly) covering your bases and Hemingway-esque clarity.

    He took a sip of Champagne from the glass in front of him.
    vs.
    He consumed approximately 1.5cc's of sparking fermented beverage produced in Spain from the container resting at a semi-oblique angle from his anterior axial line.

    1. Re: Precision can seem opaque by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "He sipped champagne." The rest is unnecessary.

    2. Re: Precision can seem opaque by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Champagne is jargon for 'Sparkling wine from a particular region of france'. So wrong.

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    3. Re: Precision can seem opaque by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only Europeans under EU law and adherents to certain treaties are obliged to believe that champagne comes from a particular region of France, much to the dismay of the Swiss village of Champagne that had been making champagne since at least the seventeenth century. Under US law, anyone bottling champagne as "champagne" prior to 2008 can continue to do so, so long as they add another word like "California." In the same way, kleenex is not necessary Kleenex, but could be any facial tissue, nor is a xerox copy necessarily produced from a Xerox-brand machine.

      Sometimes the US has less of a stick up its ass, and it uses words not as specific jargon but broad terms that everyone understands with a bit of common sense. The use of the word "champagne" in the sentence given in the GP would not confuse the common reader. That's the standard you need to understand for writing good American academic prose, much as how the legal fiction of the common viewer under US law defines whether you're talking about pornography or not.

    4. Re: Precision can seem opaque by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Indeed and it's a perfect example of why we use jargon. Everyone even vaguely familiar with alcoholic beverages knows what champagne is. The sparkling fermented beverage which the OP used to try to sound jargony is in fact the opposite. It's not jargon, it's using a combination of more general words attempting to describe precisely what is meant.

      And it could equally well refer to lager! Or certain types of cider. Or traditional ginger beer.

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    5. Re: Precision can seem opaque by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      All Brandy is Cognac?

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  8. As simple as possible... by Froze · · Score: 1

    Or just maybe - research tends to be focused on highly complex topics that require extremely specific definitions afforded only by obscure terminology. Often the ability express these concepts in a manner graspable by an average level vocabulary is difficult - bordering on impossible. Not to mention that the time required to come up with an adequately simple representation is often not given due to the pressure to publish the next idea.

    "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" - A. Einstein
    "I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time" B. Pascal

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    1. Re:As simple as possible... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" - A. Einstein

      The papers are not as simple as possible but not simpler. They are needlessly complicated.

      Or perhaps I should have said:

      "The publications exhibit superfluous failure to acheive the threshold of maximal simplicity whilst maintaining preservation of the requisite specificity."

    2. Re:As simple as possible... by Froze · · Score: 1

      Your attempt to refute my statement disregards cost associated with the simplification - a core tenet of my claim. Compare and contrast said classification of academic papers with something like patent filings, if you really want to see unnecessary obfuscation.

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    3. Re:As simple as possible... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Your attempt to refute my statement disregards cost associated with the simplification - a core tenet of my claim.

      I recognize that there would be a cost associated with the simplification, but I assert that the articles are not simply neglecting to pay that cost but in fact deliberately put effort into obfuscating things.

      I've had conversations and correspondence with many scientists; and they do not normally speak or write anything like what they submit for publication.

      Yes, they do use lots of jargon, and technical language as needed when needed, but the language and sentence structure they use normally is far more accessible.

      Compare and contrast said classification of academic papers with something like patent filings, if you really want to see unnecessary obfuscation.

      Except that's necessary ;-)

      If it were plain the examiner would realize there was nothing new to patent.

    4. Re:As simple as possible... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I've had conversations and correspondence with many scientists; and they do not normally speak or write anything like what they submit for publication.

      When they are conversing with you, they are not writing for publication in a forum intended for their peers. They understand their audience. They also understand the medium.

    5. Re:As simple as possible... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      they are not writing for publication in a forum intended for their peers

      I assure you that you are correct. They are absolutely writing specifically to attempt to impress their peers by trying to sound more intelligent perhaps sound more credible by writing more complex prose.

    6. Re:As simple as possible... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That has often less to do with the scientists who write the paper and more to do with the scientists who review the paper. Well-written and exceptionally clear papers are easier to criticize, hence they have an overall lower chance of getting through peer-review (unless they are exceptionally good and outstanding in their content as well).

    7. Re:As simple as possible... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I assure you that you are correct. They are absolutely writing specifically to attempt to impress their peers

      That is your claim, not mine. I, and they, understand the audience and the medium and accept that the form of writing differs from what you read and hear as you chat with them as you take their orders at the MickeyD's drive thru.

    8. Re:As simple as possible... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      hear as you chat with them as you take their orders at the MickeyD's drive thru.

      Is that really what you've reduced yourself to here?

    9. Re:As simple as possible... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Is that really what you've reduced yourself to here?

      You've reduced yourself to noting a difference in language styles between casual conversation and formal writing, and jumped to the conclusion that the difference must be malicious and not simply because the media and audience are truly different and require different styles. I think "reducing" myself to a little humor in the face of such unfounded assumptions is better than assuming malice on your part. By referring to someone at a drive-thru, I was pointing out that communicating with a non-scientist will require a completely different style than when trying to communicate with peers in a formal, written medium. You see the difference as proof of vanity or malice; I see it as the natural result of knowing the audience and writing appropriately.

      It is also better to use a little humor than what you did here:

      I assure you that you are correct. They are absolutely writing specifically to attempt to impress their peers ...

      I said nothing of the sort, so claiming that I am correct for saying that is pathetic. Yes, I assure you I am correct, but the following "attempt to impress their peers" is just your fantasy, or perhaps jealousy.

    10. Re:As simple as possible... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      For what its worth my interactions with the research scientists I mentioned is professional; I work with them to apply their experimental results; as part of product development. I've also consulted with them to develop software solutions to analyze large data sets to help them interpret experimental results, etc.

      So yeah, I am working with them specifically to build bridges from their fields of expertise to mine. And digging through the unavoidable jargon can take some effort, but the language complexity just isn't there.

      I think you are right to a point; that the papers they publish are written to a particular audience; and that audience has a particular set of expectations. But I maintain the whole thing is largely artificial. Its not who they are and not how they need to write to communicate effectively.

      Its same as the way we all wear suits to meet the investors but never any other time. Its "expected" by that audience. But its not really us, and its not "necessary"... except to satisfy some sort of convention.

      ditto for the language sophistication in academic papers. Its only necessary because its expected.

  9. Jargon is necessary by swillden · · Score: 1

    Complex syntax may be an affectation driven by cultural norms, but professional jargon is generally necessary. Jargon compresses large amounts of previously-understood knowledge into a word or a phrase. For example, in a paper I'm writing I just mentioned "counting bloom filter" and IND-CPA. Either of those concepts requires many pages of words to explain, and in turn references many more concepts that the layperson will not know. The full background required to fully understand each of those concepts, starting from zero, could easily fill a book.

    Even where jargon does have a common-language synonym, it's often the case that the jargon has many additional nuances to its meaning which aren't adequately captured by the common word. I'm sure there are some cases where jargon could be replaced by something more accessible without losing relevant meaning (e.g. I found myself tempted to use "semantic content" rather than "meaning", but other than being slightly less ambiguous, it wouldn't add much), but I doubt that using the more-accessible terms would significantly increase the accessibility of the paper.

    I think one of the clearest examples of this is Randall Munroe's various comics where he explains complex concepts with simple words. He does a good job, but I still strongly suspect that the only people who can really understand his "simple" explanations are those who already understand the bulk of the concepts being explained. He's writing a book that uses this same method throughout; we'll see if he manages any counterexamples.

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    1. Re:Jargon is necessary by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      I still strongly suspect that the only people who can really understand his "simple" explanations are those who already understand the bulk of the concepts being explained.

      Good point -- however, he gets it into a form where people:

      • who would like to know more, or
      • who never really wanted to know more, but bring it up as small talk in conversations with people who do know more, and get a much more detailed description than they were expecting or ever wanted
        • can understand his descriptions well enough to use their elements to create well-formed questions.

  10. Precision can seem opaque by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Writing for a technical audience requires precision. There's often a trade-off between properly (and responsibly) covering your bases and Hemingway-esque clarity.

    He took a sip of Champagne from the glass in front of him.
    vs.
    He consumed approximately 1.5cc's of sparking fermented beverage produced in Spain from the container resting at a semi-oblique angle from his anterior axial line.

  11. It's more a question of audience by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    When you write an academic paper or an article for an academic journal, your audience is other academics, with a certain baseline knowledge. So of course you're more inclined to use jargon and complex language.

    When you're writing for a general audience, you're more likely to forgo the jargon and use more simplified language and explanations.

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  12. Screw academic writing... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I wrote a college term paper on mathematic functions for a German-born English instructor who had a reputation of being a hard ass. I checked out a half-dozen mathematic books from the library to get a better idea on how to describe the process step-by-step. The descriptions were nearly identical. So I wrote mine the same way. The instructor accused me plagiarism because my description wasn't original. I pushed back, pulled out the photocopies that I made from each book, and challenged her to write a better description. She couldn't and gave me a C for the course, which was the highest grade she gave for A work.

    1. Re:Screw academic writing... by Khashishi · · Score: 2

      It's only plagiarism if you don't cite your sources.

    2. Re:Screw academic writing... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      We argued that point too. None of the half-dozen mathematic books I've looked up cited an earlier reference for the nearly identical description used to describe the same operation. If a push came to a shove, I don't think the college would have sided with my hard ass instructor.

  13. Uhh ... by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

    While the general public might expect that researchers should want to maximize comprehension of their work, academic writing tends to follow an opaque style permeated with professional jargon and complex syntax. Proposed explanations for the emergence of this style range from experts generally finding it difficult to be simple when writing about their expertise to more complex social and cultural theories: "Cynics charge ... that academics play an elitist game with their words: They want to exclude interlopers.

    This is a joke, right? I plugged this text into http://readability-score.com/ and got a rough grade level of 16 for understandability.

    Maybe researchers expect and support magazines such as Popular Science, Psychology Today, Discover, JAMA-Kids, etc. to interpret and rewrite their research to a specific audience, from high-school student through peers in unrelated fields. I bet most writers would tell you that it's not one-size-fits-all. Heck, maybe they wouldn't mind if they get called for an interview to explain their research in more detail.

    1. Re:Uhh ... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      When I was a lead video game tester, one of my testers reported that the instruction manual for a kids video game was written at the 12th grade readability level. At the same time, management told us to put documentation bugs into the database. So I told my tester to write up the bug report with examples for a sixth-grade readability level (a reasonable assumption for parents with kids who may not be high school graduates). The writers weren't please to have a bug report to rewrite the manual and complained to management. The QA manager threatened to fire me, but I pointed out that we were following his directions and I had a paper trail to cover my ass. The manual wasn't rewritten and the video game flopped in the market.

    2. Re:Uhh ... by Monkey-Man2000 · · Score: 1

      grade level of 16 for understandability

      I guess that's equivalent to the average person beginning graduate school?

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  14. How to deconstruct almost anything by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2
    by Chip Morningstar, coiner of the term avatar for an on-screen representations.

    How to deconstruct almost anything

  15. Had to stop reading TFA by codeAlDente · · Score: 2

    When I saw that Steven Pinker was one of the people complaining about academic language. Did he even read his own article about "the dress"? This should be example #1, but at least it was about science, unlike that Flaubert stuff that was provided as the first example.

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    1. Re:Had to stop reading TFA by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 2

      Like Daniel Dennett, Steven Pinker is also one of those guys who basically stopped doing academic work and started writing one popular science book after the other. It's an industry and doesn't have much to do with actual research. They are kept by their universities because they popularize difficult topics and attract students and funding, not because of their great contributions to science.

    2. Re:Had to stop reading TFA by codeAlDente · · Score: 1

      Ah, thanks, I didn't know that, but I think that actually makes it worse. From an academic perspective, that article was 99% rambling drivel. I can't imagine the appeal to anyone at any level of sophistication. I bet the editor thought it sounded smart. And now he's complaining publicly that academic journal articles are poorly written?

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  16. The Issue Can Be Summed Up In One Sentence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One man's PhD dissertation is another man's sniglet

  17. Reviews and citations by Doc_Gamesh · · Score: 2

    While I agree that academic writing is often too opaque - in particular the use of the passive voice in scientific papers is too slavishly followed - I think academics should be cut some slack here. They are very well aware of the review process and how their papers will be cited. That makes them generally cautious about their claims, not wanting to be accused of making claims that their research does not support, while at the same time not hiding the light of their research under a bushel. That tightrope, and the space constraint referred to above, can generate densely-argued and sesquipedalian prose.

  18. All of the above by Crispy+Critters · · Score: 1
    Well, yes, all of these to various extents. Plus the need at times to be precise, when the equivalent in general language is vague. Plus when writing for your peers, it is a lot easier to use your shared language.

    Any particular impenetrable paper may result from one of these causes or any combination.

    It is fair to say that if an informed layperson (someone with an ongoing interest in the field, not a specialized degree) cannot get the gist of the argument, then the paper is poorly written and shouldn't have been published.

  19. Scientific writing is bland, news at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The reason scientific writing reads like gibberish for the untrained, is not that scientists are elitist snobs or that they're forced to do so. It's because the writing only uses a subset of a language that is just enough to get the business done. The scientist are usually not well-trained in style, and after they've poured themselves over their research jobs, they have little spare intelligence left for the literary elements. In fact, my feeling is that scientific text has much less complexity as compared with daily language or literature. It's much more "wooden", or let's say, "machine-parseable".

    Also, the need for advanced language command is reduced by the use of symbols, formulae, diagrams or photos. These non-linguistic objects "speak" much better and very often you'll find the text reduced to the auxiliary function of serving them.

    The "complex syntax" (mostly very long sentences with embedded clauses) is the result of optimizing for silent reading rather than for loud reading. We don't read out a science paper aloud frequently, so we take advantage of this and cram more information into the long and winding sentences, trying not to partition a "block" of information too often. I'm not saying this is good style -- actually I try to enforce against it -- but languages adapt to the society's needs. In the society of scientists, what usually happens is that the results speak for themselves by logic and data, thus obviating the need of good style (or lowering its priority).

  20. Why should scientist write for the common people? by postposthaste · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article raised an important point about scientific writing. However, as an early career academic I can tell you that my writing training so far has not been targeted towards writing for public reading. Why do scientists write? We write to get our results published in scientific journals which is the basis for an academic career, and we write grant applications to funding bodies so that we can get money to do research. Otherwise, I believe the majority of scientists would prefer research over writing. Anyways, in both of the above context, we are taught to target our writing to intelligent peers who may not be in the exact same field of research but can judge the significance of the scientific content and its contribution. There is no incentives at all to a scientist's career to target our writing towards the public. This is not to say that scientists should not improve on our writing style. I'm still learning.

  21. bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real reason we write this way is that the ideas are complex, and the nuances important.
    I research and write about development. I write about trajectories of age-related differences in performance on a task. Why age-related differences, and not changes in performance with age? Because unless I am collecting repeated measurements in the same individual, I am not measuring change, but cross-sectional differences associated with age..these nuances are important to be clear about what can be concluded by the data.

    Often in research the subject of sentence is a complex, which needs to be described with a compound set of words. This can lead to truly difficult phrasing (i.e. when we talk about one compound word process modifying another compound word subject. Often we compromise to enhance readability with a loss in conceptual precision.

  22. Reading is hard! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    "Cynics charge ... that academics play an elitist game with their words: They want to exclude interlopers. Others say that academics have traditionally been forced to write in an opaque style to be taken seriously by the gatekeepers—academic journal editors, for example."

    Next from Congress: The Fairness in Academic Writing Act (FAWA) which will require academics to only use words with three syllables or less so people in Red States can understand their high-falootin' publications.

    Also known as "No Moron Left Behind".

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    1. Re:Reading is hard! by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Is high-falootin' one word or two?

    2. Re:Reading is hard! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Is high-falootin' one word or two?

      It's from the Old English, chagflkningrbbr which means "one who eats smelly cheese". I believe the OED has it as one word, but what do those English pansies know, right?

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    3. Re:Reading is hard! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

  23. Re:Why should scientist write for the common peopl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why should scientist write for the common people?

    If you ever want to dispel the perception that scientists have become deceitful manipulators, you'll need to support the idea of communicating clearly. And not just your conclusions, you need to be able to clearly communicate the theory, the way the evidence was gathered, and be able to face inquiry.

    In too many fields of science, the advocates use the scientific dialect to talk down to the people they are trying to manipulate. The argument "do this because it's for your own good and we're smarter than you are" has lost its worth. Advocates citing scientific papers have been aggressively destroying what trust remains in scientific integrity.
    Regaining trust is extremely difficult and sometimes impossible, but the blatant refusal by many in the scientific communities to recognize their own part of the responsibility for the distrust of their profession shows a malignant narcissism that must be purged before progress can continue.

  24. We are the Tamarians by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    2. Jargon gets a bad rap, unecessarily so. Yes it makes it harder for outsiders, but with it aids communication because you don't have to have long winded and inaccurate descriptions of commonly used things every time.

    For example, I can talk about corner detection and most people in computer vision would immediately know what I'm talking about wit hme using only two words. Space is imited, and verbosity is also harmful.

    There's a Star Trek episode about Tamarians, a race who speak entirely in jargon. Their language uses cultural references instead of words of meaning: "Darmok on the ocean" means loneliness, isolation, "Sokath, his eyes uncovered/opened" means understanding/realization, and so on.

    As an AI researcher concerned with techniques of learning (and indirectly, teaching) I've come to realize that our science is the Tamarian language.

    The vast majority of ideas in academia is named after a person or event. The German Tank problem, Gauss's law, Einstein's famous equation, Planck's constant, Jenson's inequality, the Method of Frobenius, the Archimedes principle, Lou Gehrig's disease... the list is endless.

    There are some intuitive ideas, such as: speed of light, triangle inequality, law of large numbers, no free lunch, principle of least action... but there are very few of these.

    No one takes the time to come up with intuitive or meaningful names for things any more. It's a land-grab for esteem by having something named after the researcher.

    It's really, *really* difficult for a student to learn about a field, because they also need to associate some random name with the concept. We can't just say "convex inequality", it has to be "Jensen's inequality".

    Feynman once quipped that about 30% of physics is learning to do unit conversions.

    I might add that another 40% is learning how to associate random, meaningless names to fundamental principles.

    1. Re:We are the Tamarians by khallow · · Score: 1

      I might add that another 40% is learning how to associate random, meaningless names to fundamental principles.

      Once you learn the history of these names, they are no longer random. And what's easier to remember and say? "Legendre transform" or "an involutive transformation on the real-valued convex functions of one real variable"?

    2. Re:We are the Tamarians by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      There's a Star Trek episode about Tamarians, a race who speak entirely in jargon. Their language uses cultural references instead of words of meaning: "Darmok on the ocean" means loneliness, isolation, "Sokath, his eyes uncovered/opened" means understanding/realization, and so on.

      They didn't communicate with jargon. As your link points out, they communicated with allegory and metaphor.

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    3. Re:We are the Tamarians by martas · · Score: 1

      It's a land-grab for esteem by having something named after the researcher.

      The person doing the naming that way is never the researcher who came up with the concept, it's other people who quote the concept and refer it by the original author's name. If the concept is sufficiently useful and gets cited that way a couple of times, the name sticks.

      Fun fact -- experienced researchers know their field sufficiently well that they can refer to papers by naming the authors (disambiguating by context). If you can't even remember a couple of the most important concepts by non-descriptive names, you have no hope of making it in any field anyway.

    4. Re:We are the Tamarians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Einstein's famous equation

      Which one?

    5. Re:We are the Tamarians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I might add that another 40% is learning how to associate random, meaningless names to fundamental principles.

      This is why I prefer maths texts that write things in equation form rather than long verbose theorems. My memory is great for symbols - write everything as Greek letters, odd typefaces and weird arrows/overbars/triangles or whatever, give me a list of symbols and I'll be fine. Give me the same information in the form of "let blah be homomorphic to the Jenses's isomorphism, and blah blah blah therefore bleat blah blah" and I need to read it 10 times and rewrite it in symbolic form just to work out what the hell your "grand theorem" is even about. Unfortunately that style pretty much defines 90% of modern maths texts and papers (thankfully less so physics).

    6. Re:We are the Tamarians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, that is not taught. You learn it from disparate sources, if you are lucky.

  25. Obligatory XKCD by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

    Opacity of jargon has various advantages, depending on the field.

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  26. A rose by any other name by Art3x · · Score: 1

    More than any other language English is a hybrid, so it has more words for the same thing. This goes way back. English's roots are Germanic, but even then it was mixed from Anglo, Saxon, Norse, and Frisian. Then you have the influx of Latin, twice: first by Roman conquest in early A.D., then by academic fashion in the Middle Ages. Between those two, in 1066, you have the Norman Conquest. That's why the words for the animals in the field are chicken and cow, which are Old English, the language of common folk. But the words for the same animals as food are poultry and beef, which are Norman French, the language of the rich rulers. English's heavy borrowing, as we all know, goes on to this day.

    While sometimes one synonym is more precise than another, more often it's like saying gato has a different shade of meaning than cat, when really it's just the same idea from two different lands. A writer trying to help his reader can exploit English's large vocabulary to be clear, precise, and quick to understand. A writer trying to hold onto his job with the least effort can abuse English to hide mediocre thoughts in a thicket of long, important-sounding, often Latinate words.

    1. Re:A rose by any other name by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Of course in science, most of the terminology didn't exist in the last millennium. It would not be any easier to understand if it used Germanic roots. See Poul Anderson's Uncleftish Beholding for an essay on Atomic Theory written in Germanic English.

  27. Re:Why should scientist write for the common peopl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What you've written is both insane and ignorant at the same time. Congratulations.

  28. Not word limit: audience, language by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    It's not really a word limit such as we are writing for a particular audience, namely other researchers in the field. Arguing that this is exclusionary is just stupid. Indeed if we were to apply this logic then the most exclusionary thing about papers is that they are generally written in English which excludes the entire non-english speaking world from understanding them.

    The point of any written work is to communicate effectively with the reader. To do that you have to target it to your audience starting foremost with the choice of language and then with the material you include. Going over things the audience already know is a waste of time and boring so fewer people will read it, writing so that this preamble is not required limits the depth and detail which you can communicate making the entire paper a waste of time for an expert to read. Instead, if you do not want to spend the time to understand papers pick up a popular science magazine, website or even TV channel and read or watch something which is targeted at the general public.

  29. Academics write the way they think by sandytaru · · Score: 3, Informative

    And when they're thinking about their work, they think in terms of jargon. Just like how a veteran coder is going to think programatically.

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  30. This is one of the reasons I didn't enter academia by Solandri · · Score: 3

    My personal philosophy is that the point of writing is to convey information. Consequently, I try to write as clearly and simply as possible to make what I'm saying easy to understand. I gave the first draft of my thesis to my advisor and... he told me my writing was too simple. I had to use more complex words and sentences, and excess repetition (his exact words were "say what you're going to say, say it, then say what you just said").

    Along the same lines, my thesis work was dependent on another researcher's work so I had to follow the papers he was putting out. His writing was incredibly dense with very complex sentence structures which sometimes took several minutes to unravel. From his name, I could tell he was Indian so I figured he wasn't fluent in English or something. I finally got to meet him and... his English was perfect and when he spoke about his work it was incredibly easy to follow. I asked him why his writing was so inscrutable. He said he wrote like that because it was expected of him when publishing, and because it made him sound more intelligent.

    No thank you. One of the best papers I came across during my research was Claude Shannon's A Mathematical Theory of Communication. It is easy to read and understand, yet concise and detailed. It's so easy to follow I've given copies of it to co-workers who were attempting to solve problems related to or similar to information theory, but who weren't trained in information theory. And they've all been able to digest it in one or two nights of bedtime reading. That is how knowledge should be passed.

  31. arXiv vs. snarXiv by PvtVoid · · Score: 1

    Try the test yourself:

    http://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv/

  32. it's all about precision by thegreatemu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sometimes three is just an inherent smarty-pants style to writing academic papers. I lose track of how many times I instinctively try to write something like "utilize" or "make use of" when a simple "use" will work.

    But, at least in scientific writing, you use complicated language in order to be absolutely precise about your method and findings (as opposed in particular to scientific journalism...). As an example, I work in the field of direct experimental searches for evidence of interactions between particle dark matter and nuclei. That's a huge mouthful, but every single word in that phrase carries distinct meaning, and if you take any of them out, it is not a correct description of what I do, and may refer to another field entirely.

    Now take that kind of precision and discuss an experimental result. "We find that, at 90% confidence level, there is no statistically significant evidence for X". Again, it sounds like buzzwords and jargon, but there is simply no way to turn that statement into "common" English.

    1. Re:it's all about precision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We find that, at 90% confidence level, there is no statistically significant evidence for X" => "We found that X didn't actually happen."

    2. Re:it's all about precision by renderhead · · Score: 1

      I'm not a scientist, and I don't think anything you wrote above sounds like buzzwords and jargon. The implications may not be immediately clear to me, but the facts you've communicated certainly are.

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    3. Re:it's all about precision by Cassini2 · · Score: 2

      Those statement's don't mean the same thing. For example: consider an experiment where X was expected, however the magnitude of the X effect is unknown, relative to background noise.
      1. "We find that, at 90% confidence level, there is no statistically significant evidence for X" means that the experiment background noise overwhelmed X.
      2. "We found that X didn't actually happen." could be a groundbreaking result. However, if background noise was large, how would you know?
      3. "We find that, at 75% confidence level, a large number of events occurred but we could not confirm they were X" means that interesting results might happen if a better experiment were run.
      4. "We find that, at 99.999% confidence level, X occurred" means X occurred at a high level of statistical certainty.

    4. Re:it's all about precision by the+biologist · · Score: 2

      Those statement's don't mean the same thing. For example: consider an experiment where X was expected, however the magnitude of the X effect is unknown, relative to background noise.

      Sure they do. For example: consider a paper where the statements do mean the same thing.

      You really can't say from the single statement that was described as: "there is simply no way to turn that statement into 'common' English.". The paper would provide the context, in which this simplification would or would not be appropriate. For one paper, the simplifcation would be perfectly fitting. For another paper, a different simplification would be fitting.

      The point the AC seemed to be making was that it is rather silly to say that something technical cannot be simplified.

  33. Scientific writing doesn't have to be opaque! by luceth · · Score: 2

    My favorite discussion of this topic is The Science of Scientific Writing. The authors' basic argument is that most people think science is hard to read because the ideas are complex; but instead, scientists can convey their ideas clearly by meeting the structural expectations of the reader.

    For example, readers expect the subject of the sentence to be the subject of the story you're telling. They expect old information to come before new information. They expect the end of the sentence to be the "stress position", and for information there to be emphasized.

    It is not overstating matters to say that this article has forever changed the way I write scientific prose. Highly, highly recommended.

    Oh, and the other takeaway? It's not that science writing is opaque by necessity -- it's just that many scientists write poorly.

  34. Re:Why should scientist write for the common peopl by renderhead · · Score: 1

    I'm commenting to express approval for your comment, and to counteract the useless negative comment that an AC already posted to it.

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  35. Re:My Guide by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    .don't use a period as a list bullet.

  36. Re:This is one of the reasons I didn't enter acade by renderhead · · Score: 1

    Your advisor was mis-applying the philosophy behind "say what you're going to say, say it, then say what you just said." It's valid in certain contexts, primarily when you are writing to educate, which is different than conveying information. In education, you have to repeat yourself because your audience might have trouble keeping up, or their attention might drift. A big challenge with educational writing and speaking is the reality that at least part of your audience doesn't care or want to be reading/hearing what you have to say, so you have to emphasize and re-emphasize the most important points.

    By contrast, academic papers are about, as you said, conveying information. People read them because they want to understand what you are saying. If they miss it the first time, they will read it again. The burden should not be on the writer to make sure that the reader stays focused.

    Of course, none of that matters to someone that hasn't learned anything about writing since their high school teacher told them the formula for a five-paragraph essay.

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  37. There's a trick by MrHoover · · Score: 1

    There's always a trick to writing poorly. I use this for my content marketing.

  38. Re:My Guide by lgw · · Score: 1

    Don't say "Try and X", if you want to sound like you finished college.

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  39. Re:My Guide by Cassini2 · · Score: 1

    The reason for the passive tense is that academic writers tend to take academic disputes personally. Suppose a Nobel prize winner's graduate student wrote a paper where he said "we did this and found this", and someone realized the error in the experiment, then wrote "you did this, missed this, and you didn't actually find this." The professor's ego's would be massively bruised, and a massive rift formed in the research community.

    If the passive voice is used, then it's the experiment's fault for being wrong. Using the passive voice is the equivalent of the "always address the chair" rule in Robert's rules of order. If everyone addresses the chair, then it is more difficult to meetings degenerate into personal name-calling. It doesn't always work, but it keeps things civil.

  40. I think they missed an obvious answer by NoBrakes58 · · Score: 1

    Specificity

    Jargon may be obfuscating to anyone not in the field, but it's concise and, more importantly, precise. We could all do the "use only the n most common words" thing, but we'd lose all of the nuance that the rest of written language can provide. Enjoyment and entertainment are less important in academic writing that getting your point across in a way that minimizes obfuscation to others in your own field, which means using the language common to your damn field.

  41. Why Legal Language is the way it is likewise scien by avandesande · · Score: 1

    The closest analogy I can think of is legalese that you will find in official documents such as contracts or court documents.

    The reason it has a 'flavor' is to differentiate them from common language. This is extremely important because common language varies widely, from Appalachia, West Coast, Deep South, East Coast, UK English and so on. Having super-set (legalese) helps to differentiate and disambiguate from common language.

    This applies in the same way to formal science journal articles.

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  42. Re:Why should scientist write for the common peopl by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    If you ever want to dispel the perception that scientists have become deceitful manipulators, you'll need to support the idea of communicating clearly.

    What is clear for "the average person" would be needlessly redundant and boring for the scientists working in the same field. What is clear to the other scientists is, unfortunately, opaque to the average person. "Good writing" considers not only good grammar and spelling and punctuation, but an appreciation for the intended audience and their shared backgrounds. That means that "good writing" for the New York Times Science page is a lot different than good writing for PhysRev A.

    Complaining that articles in PhysRev A are not understandable to the average person is like complaining that your car doesn't understand the molecular formula for gasoline. They aren't written for the average person.

    The hallmark of a good science journalist is the ability to take the things the scientists tells her and then write it in a way her intended audience can understand. Some scientists can write at that level. The example given in a previous comment using Einstein's paper "ON THE ELECTRODYNAMICS OF MOVING BODIES" fails. For example: "Let us take a system of co-ordinates in which the equations of Newtonian mechanics hold good." If you don't know what is meant by "Newtonian mechanics" you are lost in the first sentence. If you think the "common people" know who Newton was or what "Newtonian mechanics" means, you're wrong.

    Advocates citing scientific papers have been aggressively destroying what trust remains in scientific integrity.

    Those advocates are most often NOT the people writing the papers. It is the advocates' fault that the arrogance reaches the common person, not the fault of the people writing the papers intended for other scientists to read.

  43. Re:Why should scientist write for the common peopl by martas · · Score: 1

    You're right, public communication is an important part of academia, and an often ignored one. But there is a time and place to communicate to the public, and a scientific publication is neither. Inevitably, invariably, when communicating to the public a scientist must make simplifications and take shortcuts which diminish or destroy the scientific usefulness of what it is they are communicating. There is a great deal of loss of information content when translating a text intended for consumption by other professionals to make it adequate for public consumption, and academia simply wouldn't work if researchers didn't communicate to each other with full technical precision. Now, you might say that it's possible to expand a piece of technical writing to include both the technically rigorous content and a simplified explanation, but what's the point in marrying the two? For one thing, the vast majority of scientific publications are so esoteric that it is neither possible nor useful to do that, and also it would be much easier and less cumbersome for everyone involved to put the public communication in its own space, be it a university's press page, or a researchers website, or a popular science publication, or literally anything other than the original scientific publication itself. So yes, communication is a problem, but it is not one that needs to be addressed by means of changing academic writing.

  44. Complex Issues by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    People want simple answers yet they don't understand that complex issues or problems often require complex answers as that is the only way to give a true answer.

  45. The bad writing habit I see the most is... by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

    of this type. "When studying foo, objects with property A must fall into class B {reference]."

    You then say to yourself "Gee I have a hard time believing that." You then go read the referenced paper, and low and behold. It describes one or more of: foo theory, property A or class B. What it does not do is prove the claim in the sentence.

  46. Jargon and my complaints about scientific writing by Rainbow+Nerds · · Score: 2

    I don't think jargon in scientific writing is always a bad thing. It's important to be precise. When I conduct an experiment, I need to be precise about my procedure. If I'm precise, readers can identify caveats in my methods that would affect the outcome of my work. It also means someone else can duplicate my experiment. It's important for scientific experiments to be repeatable. It's also important to be precise about conclusions. I work in meteorology, a field that's next of kin to climatology. A lot of research about global warming is misunderstood or exaggerated when the general public hears about it. If I write a paper about global warming, I need to be precise in my conclusions so I don't contribute to this problem. If jargon helps me be precise, it's a good thing. If jargon exaggerates the importance of my work or obfuscates its meaning, it's a problem.

    I think scientific writing is difficult to understand because so much is written in the passive voice. It was once acceptable to use first person pronouns, so writing has more active voice. First person pronouns fell out of favor in scientific writing about a century ago. Writers should be free to use first person pronouns if they make the writing easier to understand.

    I also don't like how so many papers try to exaggerate their importance in the introduction. The first paragraph describes a very important problem while the rest of the paper only addresses a tiny part of that problem. It's done to persuade editors that a paper is of interest to more of their journal's audience. But it also contributes to misunderstanding.

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  47. not that I have a huge amount of experience by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 2

    But a couple papers I wrote for journals my supervisor specifically helped me make it more terse. He made it sound as that was a big factor in successfully getting papers published (at least in the field in question, condensed matter physics). I took it to mean that being longer winded/more explanatory was considered a waste of everyone's time and potentially hiding any original findings/justification for the thing to get published in the first place.

    I think (to a more limited extent) science could learn from preaching a bit. Foundational reasoning for how you got to where you are going shouldn't be left as as an excercise for the reader. "Because we need to minimize the line integral over the Lagrangian" er "Jesus saves".

  48. Re:My Guide by pepty · · Score: 1
    Okeydoke.

    Explain the syntheses of 2-(1H-benzotriazol-1-yl)-1,1,3,3-tetramethyluronium hexauorophosphate) and 1-[Bis-(dimethylamino)methyliumyl]-1H-1,2,3-triazolo[4,5- b]pyridine-3-oxide hexafluorophosphate , then explain which coupling agent should be used in which situations.

    Using short words.

  49. Re:My Guide by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    Don't say "Try and X", if you want to sound like you finished college.

    Everybody who started finished. Somebody who flunked out the first year? They finished their college career early. Perhaps you were searching for the word "graduated?"

    As for "try and X," I do agree that it lacks proper punctuation. If you want to be taken seriously you need philosophical rantings to take on a more precise syntax:

    Try, and develop a style.

  50. Re:This is one of the reasons I didn't enter acade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The oft-stated advice to "say what you're going to say, say it, then say what you just said." is for **oral presentations**, not writing.

    When writing, it's all about organization & structure. Your introduction should clearly state the question / problem / objective, and end by summarizing your approach. Your results should be broken down by experimental design, analysis, & conclusion with each conclusion being very clearly stated. Your discussion should explicitly describe the implications of your results/conclusions beyond the experiments / results described.

    Shorter is better. Push all the methodological detail to the Methods section and/or Supplementary Information. Focus on the important conclusions.

    -An Academic in Engineering

  51. Re:My Guide by sublayer · · Score: 1

    As for "try and X," I do agree that it lacks proper punctuation. If you want to be taken seriously you need philosophical rantings to take on a more precise syntax:

    Try, and develop a style.

    Do or do not; there is no try.

    It does not matter whether your try, it only matters whether you develop a style.

  52. Cuz like you know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why does science have to be so exact? What, it's like they are trying to prove something, or something.

  53. Re:Why should scientist write for the common peopl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in science long enough to be absolutely certain that I've never met a scientist who tried to manipulate people into anything. Sorry to be so blunt, but it seems to me that the uncanny picture you draw of scientists is just your imagination.

    The real problem is that, thanks to the Internet, people can selectively choose bullshit and conspiracy theories that formerly was much harder to come by because no publisher would print that nonsense. Even worse is that at least in the US much of this crackpottery is a viable business, you can make a living out of making up some idiotic story about reptilian shape shifters (and it's easier than making a living with real science!), and people without scientific training are unable to discern crackpot pseudo-science from the real thing. Consequently, the number of people with all kinds of lunatic world views has increased, or at least they have surfaced into public view and found fellow morons on the Net.

    That's the real problem, not the communication of the scientists.

  54. Yes, we are forced to write shit by business_kid · · Score: 2

    I had to do a paper in 2014 in Electronics Engineering. I had adapted good lines in the draft:[Brackets show my edits]
    Professor Sir Frank Holmes: [Electronic specifications] "are like a bikini; what they reveal is important, what they conceal is vital".
    Otto Van Bismark: [Prototypes] "are like sausages; it's better not to see them being made."
    Hal Abelson: "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders." (this is a reversal of Issac Newton's line, and was my case exactly).

    All had to go - my grade depended on it. We had a period a week on report writing. People had to hand up draft headings before they knew what they were doing. External examiners were blamed. We had to sound 'like professionals.'

  55. Consider the dang audience! by sabbede · · Score: 2
    Scientific/Academic papers are not written for the general public, they are written for other people in the field. People who are familiar with both the terminology and the style. For example, If I were to write a critique of Marx's interpretation of Hegel, I'd probably call it, "A critique of the Marxist interpretation of the Hegelian Historical Dialectic." Simply knowing what the hell the title means would require more than a little familiarity with the field. That familiarity would also provide a warning that the following text will be incredibly dense and complex both conceptually and syntactically. But, you would have a pretty good idea of where I was going with it.

    To write the same paper for a general audience would require I write an entire textbook first.