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How Outsourcing Companies Are Gaming the H-1B Visa System (nytimes.com)
New submitter shakah writes: The NY Times has a straightforward summary of how the H-1B Visa system is being gamed by companies inside and outside of the United States. Particularly interesting for me was their clarification on the argument that "VISA holders have to make prevailing wages, so they won't depress wages." Quoting: "Under federal rules, employers like TCS, Infosys and Wipro that have large numbers of H-1B workers in the United States are required to declare that they will not displace American workers. But the companies are exempt from that requirement if the H-1B workers are paid at least $60,000 a year. H-1B workers at outsourcing firms often receive wages at or slightly above $60,000, below what skilled American technology professionals tend to earn, so those firms can offer services to American companies at a lower cost, undercutting American workers."
How about H1-B Visa holders get paid 110% of the prevailing wage so that only the companies who seriously need a specialist and legitimately can't find any local talent will hire them. Also, give H1-B holders a ten year window to work in the U.S. that isn't dependent on staying with a single employer. If someone else hires away your H1-B employee, that's your company's problem.
I know nobody cares except Donald Trump.
Bring those jobs back.
Start by going after Disney, they're replacing all their tech workers with H1B visa workers and making the fired workers train their replacements.
WTF.
Sure, that's the ticket...
The entire idea is ludicrous, government shouldn't be involved in any business, labour, wage, money, price regulations at all. There shouldn't be any government involvement in business and money is my position. As to 'gaming' the system, it is clear that the system is unsustainable and it will be routed around. It's like the Internet, business treats these laws as damage and routes around them.
By the way, it is trivial to get around idiotic price controls, it just it costs some set up money. Example: pay the wage whatever the government requires, then return the money in some form of a service or product or fund purchase, whatever it takes.
You can't handle the truth.
You cost too much and you have no social connections!! That means you can kiss my ass while I bring in some real help to get this computer wiring done. Got too full of yourselves with with that Y2K thing and it's taking years for this shit to sink in.
Honestly I don't even want to talk to you people, but if we start calling you blue collar and throw you out of the main office then you'll probably try to unionize and we'll have to fire you. Actually, that might not be a bad idea. You can train your replacement online at home after you come off the picket line.
What about the French dream... what's wrong with pursuing your dreams in France or any other country for that matter?
Now, show of hands ... who the hell is surprised to find out that this whole thing is being misused? Anyone?
The whole bloody point is to drive down wages and replace American workers.
Anybody who tells you otherwise is lying to you.
How anybody could possibly be shocked at this 'revelation' is mind boggling.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
IMO, solution is to create a separate class of visas for outsourcing companies. H1B visas serves different purpose.
If U.S. companies don't want to hire U.S. workers, then these companies need to stop pretending, and just get the fuck out of the U.S altogether.
IMO, they should stop all H1B's and fast track tech workers for full green cards.
That way they can demand what they are worth and if the company abuses them, they can do what most IT people do. Go find another job and give the company the finger.
Dey terk er jerbs!
OK, go pass a law that says companies have to higher higher priced Americans instead of lower priced foreign programmers.
Now your company is competing for that huge $1 billion contract in Dubai. I'm the guy in Dubai awarding the contract. Why the hell do I pick your overpriced American company instead of the cheaper alternatives? Is it because you'll do a better job? Don't make me laugh.
Sorry, but in the end you WILL lose to lower priced labor. The funny thing is, Slashdot groupthink sees this clearly when it isn't your job on the line. When it's someone else's job? Well, if their business model isn't working out, they should just get a new one.
The world owes you nothing. You either compete, or lose out to those who do. You can't stop those market forces with national laws, any more than the Soviet Union is now competitive in the world automobile market due to THEIR protectionism. Protectionism doesn't work, and never has.
The real way to prevent this is to make sure that only a certain percentage of a companies workers can be H1-B if the company is above 100 employees. Say around 25%, I've worked in the software industry for over 15 years in and out of the US and was a H1-B from 2003-2009. If a company can't find at least 75% of it's staff from citizens / green card holders something scammy is definitely happening. I did a stint with a shady contracting company into a fortune 100 company and if anyone should have been shut down it was those guys. I quit after 6 months...
Companies don't want that, which is why the H1Bs work the way they do ... because that's what industry wanted.
If they're using an H1B to fill jobs they can't find people for, wages should be going up. Instead they're bringing in cheaper labor to drive down American salaries and displace Americans.
If those people had any ability to fight back or demand more, they just might. This way they're exactly what they're supposed to be .. cheap labor with fewer rights.
Seriously, this didn't happen by accident. It was bought and paid for by industry.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
How about a flat $50K/year tax payable straight to the gov't? Think of that as a tariff or duty. This would have several advantages:
- Simple & stupid, can't game a flat fee
- That kind of revenue wold keep the gov't interested in enforcing the program
- Makes the process of hiring offshore much more expensive. Remember, the idea is that hiring offshore is supposed to be a *last* resort, so $50K wouldn't deter someone who truly needed a particular skill.
- Makes it impractical to hire offshore lower-level employees, the kind that we already have plenty of and who are blatantly being replaced with foreigners just to save money.
That feeling when you're a born & raised a white American in IT and make the 60,000 the article claims the outsourced workers are getting paid...
I work for a large bank that rhymes with face. I have watched the area I work in go from 90% american workers to 90% H1-B workers. And that wouldn't be so bad, except on top of that, they are offshoring like crazy as well, and those guys on the other side of the planet do not do anything.
Tickets come in during the night, and they sit on them. Then, when (we) the day shift comes in, they forward us all the tickets, meaning we start every day with a flood of work. What is the point of paying the offshore dweebs if they aren't doing squat?
Sooner or later this policy will bite my company in the ass, and there will be no one left who knows these systems to fix it, because all the people who could have done the work were laid off to save a few bucks.
And while I'm no fan of Trump, he's right -- all the H1-B women are preggers. They are having anchor babies like it's going out of style.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
So tech workers aren't allowed to make more than $60k/year.
Remember, the idea is that hiring offshore is supposed to be a *last* resort
Let's not waste our time with this. It's clearly not true or enforced.
New tax, especially on business = dead in the House.
Raise the fee from 2k to 100k and remove the 60k salary exemption. Every gets paid prevailing wage with no exceptions, every application is 100k fee to apply.
This removes the "cheap labor" incentive and it clears the way for all of these supposed CEOs and such that are being kept out of the country by the awful quota system.
Guarantee within a week, applications would drop to like 50 total and every one would be for high level geniuses, CEOs, etc. You know, the sort of vital people that the H1B people claim to actually be bringing over.
Assuming the goal is to spread the visa out to more companies, perhaps an [exponentially?] increasing application fee. For example: Base_Price x 1.002^(N-1).
The H1B program is broken in it's current form. It needs to be scrapped. Like other countries, e.g., Germany, the guest work visa program needs to be tightly monitored. No company should be allowed to flood the application process. No outsourcing or contractor companies should be allowed to apply, period. The reality is there is not shortage of STEM applicants. Plenty of qualified people. If you want to hire people from 3rd world countries, thereby undercutting labor rates, then locate your business there. You'll do more to help that country raise their standard of living by doing that. Not that you were truly interested in doing that.
As there is currently more visa applications than available visas, the solution can be very simple. Instead of lottery as it is done now, I would simply give visas to companies that plan to pay the highest salary. That would make companies to raise salaries if they really need applicants. That would also solve problems with definition of "prevailing wage" etc.
No sig today.
Vote trump also there needs to be a min-wage for h1B's say 80-90K base + COL so high cost places like the bay area the min can be say 150K also maybe even an X2 OT kicks in at 60+ hours a week from them.
also any places with layoffs can't use hb1 / have a 3-6 mo opening time there they must look for US workers if they want to have an one.
Also cap's on % of HB1's vs us works to stop the body shops from useing them at mass.
Is it only me who always reads H-1B Virus?
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
How about just raising the minimum wage? I live in Europe, where things work a bit differently, but when I saw the $60k figure, I thought it must surely be a typo. I've never met somebody in IT, especially programmers, pulling less than €3,500 gross, plus benefits (car, laptop, phone, "13th month" annual bonus, supplementary health insurance...). Once you factor in those benefits, that would easily clear $70k or $80k, and this is for juniors.
If somebody's services are only worth $60k, surely that is an indication that the market is providing those workers already? I really doubt that you are getting into workforce shortages until you hit six figures.
Flat fee issue:
Do you really want to incentivize the government to have offshore workers by making them profit centers for the government itself? How is that an incentive to avoid destroying domestic jobs?
I'd think more like saying "H1B hires cost 3x the prevail wage for a job as determined by industry". Anyone not willing to pay up triple the cost can hire back the same folks they are firing now to save a buck. Anyone claiming this is not about companies saving a buck is being disingenuous. If there is truly not a single domestic worker able to fill the role, then paying extra for it should not be a problem. Looking at employment rates, and layoff/offshoring announcements I think these problems would fix itself pretty quickly given the right financial incentive.
Warning: Teh poster of this messaeg is lysdexic
If there really were a shortage of tech workers, which I don't believe for a moment, the H1-B program is still about indentured servants. They should speed up/open up proper permanent residencies for these people so they come in with all the same rights and expectations of the Americans they are currently displacing. Holding them hostage to one company, training them to work well with Americans and then sending them home to lead off-shored teams is so bad for American workers that it's ridiculous.
That was called slavery remember? a few years ago?
Have you ever considered eating your own turds?
Americans are not willing to give green cards to Indians anymore... apply today and you might get one 30 years from now assuming you dont get laid off or retire in that time period
If companies dont want to put employees on green cards, how do you explain the 20+ year backlog for employment based green cards for Indians? Americans dont want people on h1B to become permanent residents, not companies
Is that the politicians wrote it to help businesses deceive the public - the public is supposed to say "oh, well if they are getting the same wages, obviously it will not hurt native-born workers" BUT the people being replaced are often long-time employees with seniority who have had increases in wages and benefits over their careers, and the new H1-B holders are brought-in at the "prevailing wage" for a new hire with no experience!!!! This is all a scam in which business bribes politicians to put a loophole into labor laws to let them push down wages and benefits. There is rampant unemployment in the US among well-trained and experienced STEM workers, over a million have become unemployed in just the past several years and every year thousands more graduate from colleges with most new US STEM graduates last year unable to find STEM jobs.
I do not like Donald Trump, but until somebody else arises to even raise the immigration issues, he'll get my vote. The Democrats currently running have all announced their intentions of doubling-down on Obama's bad behavior, and Jeb! is on-board too. Rubio is Zuckerdude's man in the Senate. The US middle class has a lower net worth today than when Obama was sworn-in at the depths of the meltdown, and George W was every bit as bad - the middle class saw no net wage increase during his tenure.
> "Mark Merkelbach and his small engineering firm in Seattle. For water projects in China, he needed engineers and landscapers who speak Mandarin"
You can not make knowledge of a foreign language a requirement for an immigrant visa.
Every American worker who used to have a middle-class life with a STEM job used to (1) be saving money for his/her retirement, getting a pension established, etc AND (2) be paying into Social Security at a high rate to both pay for his/her future benefits and also help fund the benefits of many American workers with lesser jobs.
Every American STEM worker replaced by an H1-B is going to be made doubly-dependent upon Social Security and Medicare, while paying less into both and also not helping pay in enough to support others with lower-wage jobs. In a sane world without corrupt, bribed politicians an employer bringing in an H1-B would have to prove that there is no American who is PHYSICALLY able to be trained to do the job - and then a fee of 3 or 4 times the average prevailing wage top management of the firm should be assessed.
Ideally, H1-B visas should not exist and any employers attempting to replace their workforces with cheap foreigners should be prosecuted for treason, in a mass-trial, and put before a firing squad; they want all the benefits of the stable American system and markets and all the rights that the Constitutional Republic of "we the people" provided, but then want to sell-out the nation to line their pockets. There's little difference between these jokers and the business men who sold technology and equipment and raw materials to Germany and Japan between WWI and WWII.
To prevent the abuse of H1B visas replacing Americans, tax the company at $100K per layoff, and give that money to the laid off worker.
There is no talent shortage, only excuses to lay off US workers to replace them with cheap labor.
Unfortunately, to lock in the employee the outsourcers provide "loans" to the visa holders to cover relocation costs, and the loans are "forgiven" upon completion of their contract, when they return to India.
To prevent the abuse of H1B visas replacing Americans, tax the company at $100K per layoff, and give that money to the laid off worker.
So then before they lay everyone off they transfer all of them to a subsidiary with no H1-Bs then shut down said subsidiary. Tax avoided.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Companies like IBM just ship everything to India.
When dealing with engineering, sending work back and forth happens in milliseconds.
And the trend is to just send STEM work overseas - to places like India.
Millions of smart cheap people. GEs CEO on Charlie Rose back in June said they were recruiting in Silicn Vally and India - sorry smart kid who went to State and did well. Better get you ass to Silly Valley to be taken seriously! Or be happy working one of those companies who do Facebook pages for $49.
So unless you are a great student at a top school, it's going to be real hard to get a job in those STEM fields - contrary to the hype and propaganda.
Because you can lie about the prevailing wage.
You can't fudge your way around a flat fee.
I really don't like how the article kept emphasizing India. There's plenty from Canada and Brazil. Racism/nationalism are not cool, okay?
None of the claims in this article are true, they just sound like the paranoid rantings of some lunatic leftist with a hate-on for successful companies. For the life of me I don't understand why slashdot allows these kinds of idiotic leftist posts.
There is always talk of a free market in everything except labor. The western countries always talk about countries having to open their markets for goods and unhindered movement of currency/investment in and out of all countries, but never talk about a free/open market for labor. Why are western countries against free movement of labor?
WTF, dude. Do you have damned script that scrapes for Coren's posts and just spams this shit?
Go away. Nobody cares about your hosts file or about whatever Coren did to piss you off.
At my work place the majority of the H1B Visa consultant are .Net programmers. Believe me that being a .Net programmer is not difficult and that there are tens of thousands of .Net programmers. So we shouldn't be importing any. And if we need more then send a CS grad to a boot camp for a month.
BTW, the secret reason why India has so much talent is that they made it up. You ten thousand .net program then the type the word on their resume. Instant .Net programmer.
Do you really want to incentivize the government to have offshore workers by making them profit centers for the government itself? How is that an incentive to avoid destroying domestic jobs?
You earmark the flat fee to go towards funding the enforcement of the H1B program rules. Any surplus goes to fund worker re-training programs.
This way enforcing the rules of the program is self-funding, and congress can't defund enforcement "because business" and the larger and more popular it is, the more enforcement can be funded.
Plus, you're basically forcing employers who "need" to hire cheap offshore help to also (provided there is a surplus, and at $50k per, there should be) fund worker retraining so the people needed to do the job can be found at home.
At Hardley-Davidsin (my favorite condom name/trade-mark infringement), Keith Wandell made $23 million the same year he fired 200 IT workers. Made the jobs all external and wonder of all wonders, who got the contract? Infosys. As an engineer at Harley said to me, as I slaved for 6 months to train the 15 Indians who eventually replaced me, "Nothing says Amierican Iron like outsourcing to India". 3 of those Indians moved to Milwaukee. The rest are in India, probably making $10 an hour. Wandell has since retired, somehow he was able to afford it, but he will always be the biggest scum bag in all of business to me. I hope his ink leaks through his pocket protector and at least one of his mistresses has the crabs.
You're a disgusting stalker, apk.
Just what is the end game to gutting the middle class, anyway?
Is the whole goal here just to have like 3 people who control 99.99999% of the wealth?
Surely once the the middle class is denuded, they'll start going for the "HENRYs" (high earners, not rich yet) and find a way to strip them of their earning potential and wealth, too.
At least in ancient Rome the emperors would stage feasts, festivals and games.
The job that they want an H1B for must be presented to the government and a $10k fee paid to the government to cover expenses. The government will interview qualified candidates and if the company does not take one of them, they do not get an H1B either. If no qualified candidates are found, the salary is raised until a qualified candidate is found, up to a maximum of 3 standard deviations from the average salary for the position. If there are still no qualified candidates, then you can have an H1b.
If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
Yep, in reality with this and even the farming jobs. The truth is "wages that Americans won't accept".
Not just that. They're at wages that can't even be offered. For instance: Some (not all) of the social programs where H1-B workers aren't eligible don't require the employer contribution. So hiring a US worker - even at the same pay - is substantially more expensive.
One of the problems is that, in a very competitive environment where labor costs are large compared to differences in process costs, if ONE competitor takes advantage of a cheat and another does not, the non-cheater loses the competitive bids. Thus, if the regulations aren't enforced, all must cheat or go out of business.
One place you see this is in the construction industry, with the "undocumented" workers. US workers need not apply (and the jobs aren't offered.) Contractors can't stay in business employing them at mandated minimum wages, benefit levels, and safety standards (which they CAN get the government to enforce) when their competitors can hire workers for less and cheat on all of the above - which those not here legally can't try to get enforced without risking deportation, but can afford to live on (especially if their family is on public assistance).
So if the government is going to put these regulations in place, it must enforce them. The "Invisible Hand" will deliver a knockout punch to anybody who follows expensive, but unenforced, rules.
At competitive wages, you can always find people willing to do the job.
Yep. The trick is to keep the playing field level.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
And everyone will still go watch Star Wars The Force Awakens, making them more money, and nothing happens.
Beware of the Redittor who loans you a Sharpie.
Just saying. Raising the min-wage won't fix the problem of being locked into a specific company.
What if you can't find a CS grad?
Of course this about companies saving money. They have bought the rules, as set by government, in such a way that there's some sort of fig leaf protection for American jobs, but really the system is designed to drive the cost of labour down.
The problem is that you believe it is a conspiracy. It is nothing of the sort. It is a mechanism that is off the rails, and everyone is going along for the ride. Some people get insanely rich off of it, the rest get run over.
However, don't think for a minute that this is a plan. There is no plan, only short term gain and stupid investors.
There are vast inequalities of opportunity in the world, and those can be used to the advantage of those who are willing to break down those barriers. The hope is that eventually, a fully globalized market will stabilize salaries and the ability to hire cheap Indians or Vietnamese will no longer exist, but it's going to hurt all the way down.
People believe that the free market is a choice. It's not. Market forces are a system that operates outside of any policy decision, and it will ensure that it gets what it wants, which is an equilibrium. As communication and the ability to trade all over the world increases, the barriers that were used to maintain protectionism become more and more artificial and rickety. This is the result. It may be that the only way that we protect ourselves is to ensure that those across the sea are successful and our partners, driving up their standard of living to a point where they have more in common with us.
Eliminate the H1B program, increase the quota for skilled Greencard holders (EB1, EB3). Wage problem solved because workers can leave if they are paid poorly.
Of course this about companies saving money. They have bought the rules, as set by government, in such a way that there's some sort of fig leaf protection for American jobs, but really the system is designed to drive the cost of labour down.
But what is interesting is that there's little empirical evidence this is bringing costs down. Obviously some things can be outsourced more successfully than others, but many companies that do this bite off more than they can chew. It's easy to compare hourly rates for labor, but much harder to measure the incremental extra labor that is needed to get something done right, the layers of management, contracting, and SLA reviews that get put into place in most outsourced models, the the cost of poor quality, opportunity costs in bringing innovation to the market slower than your competitors, etc.
Skill = knowledge + experience, and the large outsourcers can't bring the experience. Offshore they subcontract themselves to meet flexible demand, and the people they bring or hire onshore are rarely better or cheaper (and generally are not better AND cheaper) than a full time employee would be in the long term.
"APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)
Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
(Search this in BOLD there "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)
I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).
I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.
I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).
Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).
APK
P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk
Coren22 says "hosts=bad" (they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitches on admin priv to UPDATE vs. threats
"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)
& admits using admin priv himself
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How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?
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"Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)
You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!
FACT:
Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!
APK
P.S.=> Lastly - Coren22, there is a CURE for your "outism" due to your retarded by assburgers clearly defective brain (lol) - quit making childish sigs about me & sockpuppet accounts as well as telling lies about me - I'll stop OUTING you "signature boy" troll... apk
HA
I guess that is why my old Co-Workers at Catholic Health had to train their H1B replacements to do their own jobs before they were laid off. Clearly they couldn't find anyone to do the job other than the people already doing it.
If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur. --Red Adair
"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
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MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
APK
P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
... apk
See subject & links where I tried to make peace - says it all w/ proof of it from his trolling "signature boy" mouth http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & here too http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + here http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* :)
(I've discovered that trying to make peace with a mental retard due to assbergers & OUTISM is a difficult thing & largely apparently unachievable...)
APK
P.S.=> You brought it on yourself Coren22, nobody else - you sow the wind? Here comes the whirlwind, & all your sockpuppets, signatures, & fellow trolls can't stop it (lol, you're 'outta bullets' in downmods) - so "the beatings will continue" until you stop your immature childish signature bs... apk
See subject: Says it all & this link, dismantling him point-by-"so-called 'point'" of his publicly http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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(Coren22, I tried to give you a chance, 3x no less - you're a fool: You mistake mercy for weakness, like cretin brutes in the streets do... you paid the price!)
APK
P.S.=> I notice you stopped responding there - "Gosh, golly gee - why's that?" (not) - but I expect you'll TRY some more b.s. as that's all "your kind" (trolls) understand - crap like downmodding my posts (which you & your sockpuppets OR fellow trolls have here already NOW TELLING OTHERS TO TROLL ME BY UNIDENTIFIABLE AC POSTS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... as I've torn you ALL up 1 by 1 every time as I have yourself above... you did this, to yourself "signature boy")... apk
Coren22 you care. I see how you operate telling others to troll apk by unidentifiable ac posts now doing it yourself http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and failing there too? Grow up. Quit trolling your betters and losing.
Coren22 speak for yourself hypocrite. Apk ruined you where you told others to stalk him by ac posts as you're doing http://slashdot.org/comments.p... you failed there on computer tech too. Grow up. Quit trolling your betters, doing signatures, being a fail in computing and losing.
Coren22's eating his and apk's dust http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Just what is the end game to gutting the middle class, anyway?
Frighting that you do not already know this, sincerely.
The -entire point- is to crate a have / have-not society; which BTW is the norm throughout human history. The concept of a "middle class" is but an aberration. Be it communism or fascism, by any other name it's feudal. In a democracy, people vote not for whom they like, but rather out of fear their "benefits" will be taken away. Think of it as indentured servitude.
Life is not for the lazy.
If you want to put a quick brake on this, just impose quotas by nationality
of the candidate. This is done for other things, so why not H1-B? You can
bias the quotas by size of the nation (population, GDP or whatever), but since
such a large percentage are from South Asia, that will quickly rebalance it.
And it would hardly be unfair or racist, since it is just introducing diversity
into the process, where there is none now (since the Indian companies
almost exclusively hire Indians where possible).
At least in ancient Rome the emperors would stage feasts, festivals and games.
McDonald's, New Year's Eve, NFL.
The end game of capitalism? The French Revolution. You can only push people so far. There's a point where the laws of society and morality lose their meaning, usually soon after the masses start starving and suffering. At that point it doesn't matter how many guns or gates you have. You're not going to stop an angry mob who thinks they have nothing left to lose and view death as a reprieve from a tormented life.
~X~
No End Game.
It is about the Here and Now, this Quarter, this years bonus.
If I do not do it my competitors will.
The Future is the futures problem, I got mine.
These H1Bs are an infusion of folks who are paid $60K, which is higher than average US income, into US population. They are now travelling, eating out in restaurants, sending their kids to daycare and buying computer hardware and software. When otherwise, they would spend their disposable income in India or whatever country they come from.
The only practical downside is restriction on transferring between jobs, which depress wages for both H1B holders and US citizens. Give folks a year to either find another US job or put their affairs in order and leave. Every other objection is plain irrational prejudice*.
* Obviously, entire 7 billion of Earth population can not move to North America. Luckily not everyone wants so, and imposing a sensible requirement of supporting oneself and earning a lower middle class salary narrows to influx to manageable numbers.
The naiveté is strong with this one! Earmarking Federal income means nothing. Never has, never will.
Most of the companies mentioned here also have a backdoor to the H1B system. If the company sends an employee overseas, the employee still remains a manager and gets a green card or permanent residency within 6 months (in "EB-1 Category" reserved for scientists and individuals with exceptional abilities) - all this while earning much lesser than what an American would! No need to skirt the H1-B rules thereafter yet exploiting the system.
There is no grand plan, conspiracy or end game. There are just a bunch of people who would rather be the king of a mound of shit than a prince on a mountain of gold, enabled by a second bunch of people who would see the world go to hell in a bucket so long as they get to touch the handle.
that labor was not a big cost FOR YOU - because you shifted that to the taxpayer.
Got it.
See? That's a perfect example of the way government completely distorts things just by being involved in them. For any normal business, the workers are likely to be the largest expense; there are a few examples involving large-scale high-tech where the people are not the big expense, but that's not the norm in business.
Companies don't want that, which is why the H1Bs work the way they do ... because that's what industry wanted./quote?
Nobody wanted it. I can't think of anyone in the industry who thinks it's a good idea except executive-level management who are so far removed from it that they don't care about the consequences. I've started thinking it's as much an immigration scheme or perks for the people "back home" as much as anything else. When it's done through a consulting company it's not that much cheaper than hiring local permies anyway.
Some unelected judges have asserted that a Chinese man long ago who was born to parents in the US LEGALLY was a citizen (by virtue of the post-Civil-War Constitutional amendment that forced southern Democrats to accept that the children of former slaves were American Citizens by birth) but that ruling did not specifically apply to the US-born child of illegal aliens. THAT scenario has NEVER been put to the Supreme Court for a ruling.
The current supreme court is so far to the loony left that it would probably rule in favor of "anchor babies", since it WAS the same court that ruled that President Obama has the right to order every American to buy any particular commercial product he wants to order them to buy...... but the historical fact is that this specific scenario of anchor babies is untested in the courts and it's wrong therefore to pretend that it has been.
Just let everybody in. Problem solved !
Joke aside, the other side of the problem for H1B is the lack of stability since the H1B document is the property of the company not of the individual, and the spouse H4 document depends on the H1B validity. H4 does not allow to work or even search for work.
Suppose an H1B is laid off, he must leave the USA the same day or find a job in 30 days. With kids, spouse, dogs, car and house, do you think it is doable ?
The Green Card also needs a corporate sponsor.
The consequence: H1B will attract people which have little to lose, without kids or spouse, poorer than average, not willing to buy house, from third-world countries. You bet they can accept lower wages !
I once studied the opportunity of staying after a J-1 in 2001. But H1B slavery was not for me. It's only some years ago that I understood why H1B is so harsh even for european people: we are your vassal countries after all !
"APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running and seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run without DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)
Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD = internal network DNS dependent as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
(Search this in BOLD there "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" referring to OpenDNS suggestions for those using AD stupid in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guides for users (geared to stand alone single machines no less), & right there on that page proves it stupid - so even if you posted as myself someplace here on /. "impersonating me", I have your ass NOW, shithead!)
I've also stated MANY TIMES I use remote DNS in OpenDNS @ home (but not @ work on AD networks + exchange/outlook: Free OpenDNS model doesn't work with AD dependent Exchange + Outlook specifically you lying little imbecile).
I also don't hardcode in "every site there is under the sun" is why, so I have to use DNS, but OpenDNS & rarely.
I also RARELY MISS A LOOKUP since I put where I spend a good 95++% of my time online in my favorite sites into hosts @ the TOP of hosts for utmost LOCAL FASTER RESOLUTION SPEEDS and more reliability vs. Open DNS (not OpenDNS) resolvers being abused, Kaminsky redirect poisoned DNS servers (of which 99.999% of ISP DNS are not proofed against to this very day even though a patch exists which OpenDNS uses), rogue DNS servers, and yes ROUTERS with bushwhacked by malware DNS settings (happening a LOT lately).
Hardcodes in hosts are faster than remote DNS, waste less resources than local dns in power, cpu cycles, RAM, & other I/O by FAR considering ALL THE PARTS of such a setup in programs, data, I/O, & power (especially if setup as a separate machine).
APK
P.S.=> You're a disgusting liar... apk
Coren22 says "hosts=bad" (they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitches on admin priv to UPDATE vs. threats
"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)
& admits using admin priv himself
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How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?
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"Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)
You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!
FACT:
Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!
APK
P.S.=> Lastly - Coren22, there is a CURE for your "outism" due to your retarded by assburgers clearly defective brain (lol) - quit making childish sigs about me & sockpuppet accounts as well as telling lies about me - I'll stop OUTING you, immature retarded bastard assburgers outism "signature boy" troll PUNK motherfucker... apk
"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
It's safe proven by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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Its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
&
More "SALT IN YOUR WOUNDS" -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
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MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
APK
P.S.=> /.'ers say my work is good too:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
... apk
See subject: Says it all & this link, dismantling him point-by-"so-called 'point'" of his publicly http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* :)
(Coren22, I tried to give you a chance, 3x no less - you're a fool: You mistake mercy for weakness, like cretin brutes in the streets do... you paid the price!)
APK
P.S.=> I notice you stopped responding there - "Gosh, golly gee - why's that?" (not) - but I expect you'll TRY some more b.s. as that's all "your kind" (trolls) understand - crap like downmodding my posts or ac troll me!
(Which you & your sockpuppets OR fellow trolls have here already NOW TELLING OTHERS TO TROLL ME BY UNIDENTIFIABLE AC POSTS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... as I've torn you ALL up 1 by 1 every time as I have yourself above... you did this, to yourself "signature boy")... apk
> At least in ancient Rome the emperors would stage feasts, festivals and games.
The U.S. stages game shows, elections and wars.
APK, you admitted doing this yourself. How can you condemn someone for doing something you do yourself? Oh yeah - "APK" - that's how.
Actually, H1B serves exactly this purpose, which is why so many tech firms are clamoring to expand it.
Or an outsourcing company?
I'm positive you are.
Can someone tell me WHY we need such a system at all? I doubt that we are importing only once-in-100-years mega-geniuses, so is it worth all the cost and problems and cheating and vigilance and unemployment? I don't see how...
I'd like to add MICROCHIP to the list of companies trying to game the H1B system. I know multiple well-qualified people that went in for a systems administration interview, were questioned about programming (C++, not scripting like powershell), programming theory, and many things that have absolutely nothing to do with sysadmin. Then the manager turns the interview over to 3 H1B's to ask questions and no one can understand them, not even the manager. Pretty obvious when you end up with a fake interview like this versus a real one where the company has actually read your resume and knows your skill sets before you interview. Total scammers.
It's funny, after I wrote that I did a Google search for inequality in ancient Rome.
http://persquaremile.com/2011/...
According to this article that summarizes the work of some academics, Rome actually had a more equal Gini coefficient than contemporary America.
It's obviously an estiimate, although these guys did some deep work analyzing some of the ancient records left over to try to dial in numbers that were probably pretty close.
OK, call it a "fee." For, ya know, enhanced security screening and whatnot.
The other beauty of making the fee payable directly to the gov't is that the employer can't extort the money back from the employee.
You also probably want the employee to have the ability to job hop.
Why free agents? I thought the idea was to fill specific job posts that Americans can't do -- not to expand the general labor pool.
last resort... clearly not true or enforced
Impose a $50K price tag and it will very quickly become last resort. And enforced.
What's wrong with saving a few dollars? None of the tech jobs I know of pay a non-living wage. Frankly why should a tech job pay any more than at McDonald's anyway? Who gets to decide which job what the value of a job is. Working at McDonald's is just as difficult as working for a tech company.
"Everyone who does use HOSTS files (myself included) doesn't use your software" - by dave420 (699308) on Thursday November 05, 2015 @07:30AM (#50869743)
A small sampling of /.'ers say my work is good who use my hosts file engine quoted:
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"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
... apk
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* So, what's that you said I have quoted above Dave420? LMAO... you FAIL as usual, again, vs. me!
APK
P.S.=> Do you have ANY idea how many of these I have bookmarked in your constant failures in trolling me, especially on hosts? 50 of them and the result is always like this one is - you say something I can put away with undeniable fact that proves you wrong... lol!
Thanks for making me look good, & yourself? Well - lmao, "not so good"... apk
The funny thing is, I don't post AC, I only ever post under this name.
I've told him this repeatedly, but he is just so ingrained in his methods, he just assumes any AC calling him out must be the same person, it couldn't possibly be a totally different person that sees his errors.
Oh, and thanks for the laugh.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Expel Brahmin From Your Country; http://wh.gov/iyhMK
Casteism
Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/2... apk
"APK doesn't think that DNS servers are worth running & seems to believe that somehow Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015 @12:58PM (#50811615)
Where'd I say AD will run minus DNS Coren22? I've said AD needs internal network DNS as far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
(Search this in BOLD there "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers!" as to OpenDNS for those using AD in the POSTS BEFORE IT in my security guide (for stand alone single machines))
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YOU ADMIT I WAS RIGHT on admin privelege + hosts UPDATING (WFP/SFP) & no other way for me to do it for AUTOMATIC UPDATES (key) & you use admin priv too hypocrite!
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Guess what?
You don't NEED TO RUN MY PROGRAM AS ADMIN - I do it everyday that way here DRAGGING HOSTS TO A FOLDER WHEN IT'S DONE!
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"Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is a poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
No, I told you it's ONLY needed for hosts updating not to run it - & you haven't designed anything telling me what is what? LOL - WRONG #1.
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"using 90's technology to try & fight a modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
Ozymandias from the Watchmen:
"Alexander the great - I resolved to use antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & so began my path to conquest: Conquest not of men, but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivirus), Nuclear Power (browser addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers..."- WRONG #2.
It works & our /. peers quoted show it in my next post...
APK
P.S.=> To be continued... apk
"Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
AV does to remove threats - WRONG #3. Adblock addons = VASTLY INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I've proven w/ noone proved me wrong to date - WRONG #4.
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"your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
See above - WRONG #5.
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"won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1... - WRONG #6.
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"What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
I don't keep a server. You're a security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code) & I only put in hardcodes of fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of the file is sorted blocked known bad threat origins - WRONG #7.
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"the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
See just above - WRONG #8.
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"What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
Hasn't happened - WRONG #9.
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"They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
It still works there - WRONG #10.
APK
P.S.=> To be continued... apk
"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:
Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
&
Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
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MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
... apk
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Coren22 - this is just the prototype I'm testing - you gave me MORE fails today & /. keeps ac posts small - more are coming.
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #4/4... apk
"nowhere in there did you actually say what you are using that isn't a proxy/VPN" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Thursday November 12, 2015 @02:25PM (#50916751)
I don't use proxies/VPN (or anonymous relays).
"APK uses anonymous relays to get around the limits of posting anonymous" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
I'm not stupid enough to do what YOU want or do (make me as stupid as an easily tracked for retrolling sheep like you).
There's 3-4 ways to do what I do & they aren't your mistake accusations.
What I do, like all I do = FAST + EFFICIENT, NO extra "moving parts" - less IS more = GOOD engineering, using what you have natively vs. "Bolting on 'MoAr'" stupidly & illogically.
You're MCSE/networker/security guru allegedly with no proof - figure it out, I gave clues - I'm NOT going to tell you!
All you know is I do it WHEN combatting little scumbags like you that hide behind fake names online trolling me.
It works, like all I do does with testimonials to that effect no less.
APK
P.S.=> To be continued in part #5/5... apk
Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk
"but rather than take my advise on various things, he feels that he is allowed to defame me by saying things he knows are not true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
Hypocrite, I show you're projecting in my posts. What "advice" can you, an INFERIOR to me, like yourself give?
"I have offered him advise on ways to improve what he does to reduce the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
I've shown /.'er saying differently - Show us you've done better) - & you're "advising"? Talking out your ass on things you haven't done is what you're doing.
"posting them so often that maybe, just maybe, someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
Quotes of you are true! You can't keep your word as you're replying to me yet again + projecting what I prove YOU do (AD/DNS lie).
"I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @04:27PM (#50858983)
No troll. I protect users for free w/ a program that speeds them up, helps reliability, & even anonymity online w/ more abilities & efficiency than ANY other 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.
"Maybe I should change my signature again just to rile him up some more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015 @10:07AM (#50855451) FROM http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
"Rile" me? Childish sig bs is all you've got!
"I have repeatedly refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @10:06AM (#50863109)
BS - See my last 4 posts here!
APK
P.S.=>
"I never admitted you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)
You PROVE IT FOR ME part #1-#5 of your "Greatest Hits Fails"... apk
"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015
Where'd I say it? Show us (not illogic logic but where I literally said it). I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007
http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there in my security guide.
Fact: You shoot your mouth off lying about it & me, hmmm?
(It's your mentally damaged goods assburgers brain acting up trying to put words in my mouth I never said? Yes...)
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Where did I say I don't use DNS too?
Clue: I do & detailed it for you AGAIN (via my std. post on DNS vs. hosts) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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"You must really suck at programming" - by Coren22 on Monday November 23, 2015
What've you programmed? Other /.'ers disagree:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
"No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)
APK
P.S.=> Con't. in 2/6... apk
"figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015
How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?
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"it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015
Hypocrite later admits it!
Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!
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"Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Mine doesn't to get new data to update hosts vs. threats. Only hosts itself updates need it vs. WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.
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"90's tech to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:
"I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"
It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts + RECOMMENDS my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
APK
P.S.=> Con't. in #3/6... apk
"I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
62 reputable sources + /. users say different:
Safe by 57 antivirus programs in 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
&
Per VirScan (installer too)-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
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MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
(& he certified my source http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - he wouldn't host it, much less recommend it, minus that...) /.'ers say my work is good too:
"his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)
"I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)
"APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)
"his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)
"No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)
APK
P.S.=> Con't in part #4/6... apk
"His newest post is trying to refute that MiTM attack opportunity his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015
I DISPROVED it: Hardcoded favs users provide themselves are REVERSE DNS verified & my program filters 5,500++ false positives:
1.) Search engines
2.) Antivirus (e.g. updaters)
3.) Security community sites
4.) Captchas, brower home pages + download pages
5.) Ebay/Amazon (shopper & banking)
(Security community I get hosts data from do false positives filters in current data + removal lists).
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"won't demonstrate security of his product be exposing the source (someone might steal it!)" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015
I don't give away work to be stolen OR misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...
"the secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code and said it looked all good to them" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015
My ware went thru code verification by Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes' hpHosts
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
A competent coder & BEST security researcher I know of FROM THE BEST ANTIMALWARE THERE IS http://www.av-test.org/en/news...
NOT a secretary!
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YOU BLEW IT ON ADMIN PRIV TOO: My program doesn't require it hosts does (WFP/SFP): my program protects hosts beyond it!
I.E.-> I run manually minus admin priv & drag result to hosts naming it "hosts" overwriting original.
Only auto update needs it (WFP/SFP) & users set it themselves in program shortcut: Not programmatic impersonation.
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DNS introduces a SECURITY ISSUE RIDDLED SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE & doesn't secure down to endpoints on a LAN -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
How I use remote filtering DNS combined w/ hosts is there showing many DNS security issues hosts overcome.
APK
P.S.=> Con't in part #5/6... apk
"Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!
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"your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
No hosts do (WFP/SFP) - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!
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"won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen OR misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...
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"What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it via process monitor + wireshark (don't need code)!
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"the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
I put hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - spotted easily & bulk of hosts = sorted blocked known bad threats provided by the security community (filtered vs. 5,500++ false positive possibles in my program & by current security community data).
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"What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
Hasn't happened!
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"They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015
It works there!
Telemetry's killed 10 by itself: VISTA = Win10 = Win8 = flops - who're you fooling other than yourself?
APK
P.S.=> Con't. in #6/6... apk
Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:
"introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015
How? My prog puts entries in as non-blocking to hostnames on ones users give it as favs to speed up @ TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!
(For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).
YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out!
(Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)
+ my sources do removal lists vs. false positives & helped me create a "FP" filter in my program (5,500++ of them)!
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"maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015
See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods: "Eat your words" (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):
+5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://science.slashdot.org/co...
http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
"You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015
YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt - Did it to yourself.
APK
P.S.=> You fail Coren22... apk