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The FSF's Donald Robertson Talks About Copyrights, Patents, and the TPP (Video)

We all know (or know about) Richard M. Stallmann, founder of and vociferous spokesman for the Free Software Foundation. But the organization is far from a one-man band, and Donald Robertson, their copyright administrator (and wearer of several other hats as well) is the person to turn to when you want to get into the murky depths of copyright and patent law. He's also somewhat of an expert on the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP), which the FSF says, '...has a number of truly dangerous provisions that harm software freedom."

What can you do to help stop this trade agreement that has gotten the FSF (and the EFF, among others) up in arms? Don answers that question in the video (and accompanying transcript for those who would rather read than watch). And any unanswered questions will probably be taken care of in a second video interview with Mr. Robertson that we plan to run in the next day or two.

39 comments

  1. So will FSF endorse TPP opponents? by unixisc · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I know that RMS supports Leftist candidates, like he did Nader and Kucinich in earlier elections. However, this time, while Sanders is solidly opposed to the TPP, Hilary has been on both sides of this issue. And Sanders won't be the party nominee, unless she goes to jail.

    So if the election ends up being b/w Trump/Cruz - both consistent opponents of TPP - vs Hilary, who will the FSF support in the general elections? The candidates who are consistently against it, even if they're not Leftist, or the one who supports or opposes it depending on her mood?

    1. Re:So will FSF endorse TPP opponents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who will the FSF support in the general elections? The candidates who are consistently against it, even if they're not Leftist, or the one who supports or opposes it depending on her mood?

      Yes.

    2. Re:So will FSF endorse TPP opponents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if the election ends up being b/w Trump/Cruz - both consistent opponents of TPP - vs Hilary, who will the FSF support in the general elections?

      They aren't one issue people. Trump opposes the TPP because "it helps China". This is an explanation the boggles the mind. For all we know, he supports the parts of the TPP which FSF doesn't like.

    3. Re:So will FSF endorse TPP opponents? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      So why would the FSF have a certain position (any position) on abortion or gay marriage or religious profiling or Black Lives Matter or Obamacare or [fill in your favorite cause]? It's not like the Family Research Council or the NRA or Planned Parenthood or CAIR or any other non-tech activist groups out there have any opinion on liberated software. Or do they?

    4. Re:So will FSF endorse TPP opponents? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You can oppose TPP without endorsing or supporting any particular candidate. This is not expected to be a one-issue campaign. It is still possible, though rarer, to support politicians on one issue while opposing the same politicians on other issues. Politics is only a left vs right affair in the cartoon versions.

    5. Re:So will FSF endorse TPP opponents? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      And Sanders won't be the party nominee

      Sanders can win if defeatist assholes like you would STFU.

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    6. Re:So will FSF endorse TPP opponents? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 0

      Sanders can win if defeatist assholes like you would STFU.

      Sanders has no conceivable path to the nomination. He might win in Iowa, because caucuses tend to be more partisan than primaries. He may win in New Hampshire, since it is a neighboring state. But that's it. Next stop is South Carolina, with a Democratic primary dominated by black voters. He will lose SC in a landslide. Then comes Super Tuesday, mostly in southern states where Sanders has no organization and no support. Then it will be over. Even if Hillary gets hit by an asteroid (or an arrest warrant), her support will go to O'Malley or Biden, not Sanders. Sanders has the same chance of being the nominee as Kim Jong Un (and mostly the same policies).

    7. Re: So will FSF endorse TPP opponents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Polls arent surveying atypical voters, you know, the voters Senator Sanders is relying on to to be charismatic and defy their typical abstenance on primary/election day. With a small minority voting these days, its nice to see a candidate truly stirring up and animating otherwise complacent voters. Just wait, we may all be pleasantly surprised.

  2. Marching to the beat of a different drummer(s?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe instead of a "one-man band," it's a three-man band: Stallman, Moglen, and this third guy we've never heard of.

  3. Use of terms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The FSF objects to the use of a lot of terms, "intellectual property" for one and RMS's insistence on systems being called "GNU/Linux" but the really objectionable term is "Free Software". When you put "free" in front of something that usually has a monetary cost with it the general assumption is that that thing is now offered free of monetary cost which is why there is often confusion around "Free Software". It is supposed to be about freedom so call it "Freedom Software".

    1. Re:Use of terms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've thought about this many times myself over the years. At worst, it seems to be bait-and-switch. At best, it seems to be sloppiness on the part of folks who were seeking to undertake the exacting task of creating an entire software ecosystem from scratch. (Waitaminute...maybe there's a reason why a college kid from Finland ended up doing the hardest part in his spare time... ;-)

    2. Re:Use of terms by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The FSF objects to the use of a lot of terms, "intellectual property" for one and RMS's insistence on systems being called "GNU/Linux" but the really objectionable term is "Free Software". When you put "free" in front of something that usually has a monetary cost with it the general assumption is that that thing is now offered free of monetary cost which is why there is often confusion around "Free Software". It is supposed to be about freedom so call it "Freedom Software".

      The FSF has switched to the use of the term 'libre' software for a while now, so that line of argument is a tad dated. The real question is what is it about the TPP that's so specific about intellectual property - do they have clauses that nullify things that the GPL uses in the law to enforce copyleft?

  4. Trans Pacific Partnership is job killing also H-1B by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    also some of the GOP want to add more H-1B's to take the high tech jobs.

  5. Re:Trans Pacific Partnership is job killing also H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    also some of the GOP want to add more H-1B's to take the high tech jobs.

    Don't hang that all on us. Several deep-pocketed tech "leaders" donate heavily to the folks on the other side of the aisle as well...

  6. I like the new video format by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> a second video interview with Mr. Robertson

    One second SlashDot interviews? Even I can get behind that.

  7. who the fuck is Stallmann? by negrace · · Score: 0

    huh?

    1. Re:who the fuck is Stallmann? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you is following handy provided link will find out!

    2. Re:who the fuck is Stallmann? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dicedot can't spell his name correctly

  8. spiritual (r)evolution operates in autonimty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    community based come as you are guaranteed to raise all of our senses at once,, what a gig

  9. Where's the actual answer? by unrtst · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What can you do to help stop this trade agreement...

    ... the answer is to join a mailing list?!?! Come on!
    I totally understand that the FSF is still getting their plan in order, but the editors shouldn't lead with it if there's no answer yet. It's like those awful news blurbs, "what common condiment could be killing you RIGHT NOW!?! Find out more during our broadcast tomorrow."

    I also don't get why this was split into two. There's hardly any content in this one.. where's the rest of the interview?

    1. Re:Where's the actual answer? by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      I also don't get why this was split into two. There's hardly any content in this one.. where's the rest of the interview?

      Be patient, the second part is being hosted on a Hurd machine, so it may take awhile to get it running. But it's coming right along, and it should be available soon - very soon.

    2. Re:Where's the actual answer? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      FSF ain't married to HURD - they're married to 'GNU/Libre-Linux'. But the interview is being parsed by emacs, and once that's done, it'll be available.

  10. Shitty grammar, as usual... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What can you do to help stop this trade agreement that has gotten the FSF (and the EFF, among others) up in arms?

    It should be "which has", not "that has". The latter changes the meaning to suggest that "What you can do" is what's getting the FSF and EFF et al. up in arms, rather than the TPP.

  11. Disappointing by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

    He didn't even bother singing the free software song.

  12. You're right, it's bait-and-switch. by tlambert · · Score: 1

    I've thought about this many times myself over the years. At worst, it seems to be bait-and-switch.

    You're right, it's bait-and-switch.

    There's a similar bait-and-switch that happens with the terms "use" and "utilize".

    If you are a layman, the terms are the same: "I am utilizing Microsoft Word to make a brochure"/"I am using Microsoft Word for my business cards".

    For a software engineer, the distinction is important, when referring to source code: "I am utilizing emacs to take a portion of the source code of emacs and use it in a derivative work".

    And no, this is not accidental. It's amazing how many people apply the GPL to their code, without the understanding that the GPL is an instrumentality of a political agenda, and thus have never read "The GNU Manifesto" to understand the emergent properties that the GPL is designed to cause to come to fruition from its use.

    The GNU Manifesto: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/manifes...

  13. Across party lines by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Not just that, both parties are split on this issue. On the Dem side, I don't know any candidate who isn't for open borders, which is more lethal to American workers than just a certain specified number of H1B holders. On the GOP side, Cruz and Rubio seem to be against increasing H1Bs, while only Bush and maybe Christie is for it. Trump has said that he's for any immigration as long as it is done legally but hasn't said what he thinks of H1B caps being raised. I have no idea where Carson stands

  14. Jobs to China, Money to Caymens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It moves jobs to China, it moves profits to offshore tax havens.
    It's an abomination of a treaty, negotiated in secret, by a group of corporate lawyers writing their own companies profit guarantees into law.

    The 'corporate sovereignty' is nothing but a coup. Taking the lawmaking ability from elected governments and handing it to a court of corporate lawyers. Corp doesn't like a national law? It can go to this foreign kangaroo court and have it squashed.

    Similar clauses are already being used to force countries to remove tobacco bans. Now we find (no surprises) that Big Tobacco companies have been paying bribes to officials... well duh! Why the fuck do you think we have that clause in TPP? Which politician would ever agree to signing over sovereignty of their own country to a bunch of foreign lawyers?? That would be tantamount to treason.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34964603

  15. Re:Trans Pacific Partnership is job killing also H by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

    H1B's wouldn't be so bad if they were used as intended. To allow tech firms to hire highly-qualified foreign students out of Stanford, etc, to fill positions at high skill levels that are genuinely hard to fill. But as we've all seen, H1B's are being used en masse by Indian outsourcing firms to bring in one or two lead developers who then suck all the knowledge they can (rarely enough be be effective, btw) from their American counterparts and use it to train offshore assets. And judging by the (lack of) quality of those offshore assets (and some of the onshore ones), the positions in question could easily be filled by American workers - in fact, they already are.

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  16. Re:Trans Pacific Partnership is job killing also H by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

    I guess my point is that this kind of program isn't inherently bad, but as implemented (or policed) they are ripe for abuse. Same goes for the repeal of Glass-Steagle. When you loosen regulations and then don't even try to enforce what's left, you get mass layoffs and housing bubbles. And forget blaming Fannie Mae. The housing bubble was caused by the bond ratings agencies that rubber stamped any crappy mortgage-backed security as AAA and AIG, which pretended to insure them. In other words fraud - plain and simple. None of it would've been possible without that.

    That's where the GOP comes in. They are ideologically against almost all regulation. Don't know if that's real ideology, or just convenient think-tank bullshit that happens to suit the needs of their donors. Whatever else you might say, you can't say the Dems are against sensible regulations and enforcement. You might say they tend to go overboard, but that's just an argument for the two parties balancing each other. Except today's GOP won't accept any kind of balance either. Look at the highway bill just passed. 'Payed for' by a laundry list of bogus gimmicks when a raise in the gas tax (which would be pretty painless with gas prices way down - and would probably help to keep them down) would be a no-brainer. But it's a tax - so Republicans can't vote for it. Sheesh...

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  17. Flash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for posting the video using Flash instead of, I don't know... HTML5.

  18. Accidental infringement by tepples · · Score: 2

    "Yeah, there is no submarine copyright. It is either you’ve seen another work and you are copying it and therefore you know, as the person who is doing the copying that you are doing it, or you are not copying at all."

    I wonder if Mr. Robertson has heard of Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music and Three Boys Music v. Michael Bolton. In both cases, a plaintiff owning copyright in a musical composition successfully argued that a songwriter should be held liable for having accidentally copied the plaintiff's song after having heard it performed on the radio years ago. The wide exposure given to popular music through radio and other mass media essentially turns a copyright into a patent on a short snatch of melody, where it can be presumed that other composers will have heard it at least once. And I find this dangerous for the viability of releasing video games as free software.

  19. Thank you for the transcript by tepples · · Score: 1

    I didn't need non-free Flash because I just read the transcript in Firefox on GNU/Linux.

    1. Re: Thank you for the transcript by Roblimo · · Score: 1

      You're welcome. We go to the trouble and expense of providing transcripts of virtually every video so that those who prefer to read can read instead of watching. And there are still people who complain about videos even though there is no squad of SlashGoons we send to people's homes and offices to *make* people watch them...

    2. Re: Thank you for the transcript by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This particular article is "from the laws-can-be-good-but-can-also-be-evil dept." There are so many such departments, I'm surprised the massive bureaucracy hasn't bankrupted Slashdot by now.

      If you curbed some of that, I'm sure you could afford your squads of SlashGoons.

  20. Use vs. reuse by tepples · · Score: 1

    I've tended to use the term "use" to mean use of a program as a tool, which FSF calls freedom 0, and "reuse" to mean use of a program as a software library, freedoms 1 through 3.

  21. Let's not conflate RMS's views with the FSF's. by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    Just to be clear: The questioner asked if the "FSF will endorse TPP opponents" and the parent response answered in the affirmative them went on to describe how Richard Stallman (RMS) did this. But RMS is not the FSF and vice versa; RMS endorsing candidates isn't the same as the FSF endorsing candidates. I've never seen the FSF endorse a candidate and I don't know of anything that would lead me to believe the FSF will endorse a candidate for a political race anywhere. I'm pretty sure this separation between himself and the FSF is important to both the FSF and RMS, and why RMS maintains his own website and posts some articles there expressing his own views including the text "This is the personal web site of Richard Stallman. The views expressed here are my personal views, not those of the Free Software Foundation or the GNU Project." on the front page of stallman.org.

    1. Re:Let's not conflate RMS's views with the FSF's. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      I've never seen the FSF endorse a candidate ...

      ... and you never will. As a 501c3 non-profit, the FSF is prohibited from endorsing specific candidates.

  22. Why are these videos so shitty? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do these videos suck so much? There are bus sounds in this whole video. There's a recent video set in a (noisy) bar, and a creepy female coder video. Is it a tradition? Does it go way back? I have been visiting this site for some time, but I have no idea if this is a thing (over my head) or the videos just suck. What is this shit?

  23. Re:Trans Pacific Partnership is job killing also H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    H1B is bad. Green cards and quick path to citizenship is good. Say no to indentured servants!