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The FSF's Donald Robertson Talks About Secretive Trade Negotiations (Video)

Donald Robertson, is the Free Software Foundation (FSF) copyright administrator (and wearer of several other hats as well), so he's the FSF person to turn to when you want to discuss trade agreements, how they are negotiated, and how info on these (typically) secret) goings-on get leaked so that we can see what our negotiators are up to. And don't think, even for a second, that the TPP is the only trade agreement our government is working on, or necessarily the worst. After that, we learn how Don Robertson hooked up with the FSF and got what may be the best job in the world for an attorney who likes (and uses) GNU/Linux. (And for more, check out yesterday's interview with Mr. Robertson.)

32 comments

  1. TPP is for Cows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are all Cows. Cows say Mooo! Mooo. Mooo. Mooo cows Moo. Mooo say the cows. YOU TRANS PACIFIC COWS!!!

    1. Re:TPP is for Cows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If TPP people are cows, then why do the anti-TPP FSF GPL Gurus look like cows, case in point the guy in the video?

  2. Can't be all that secret! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    now can they!

  3. Recent mass shootings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When France is shot up, it's an immigrant problem.

    When the US is shot up, it's a gun problem.

    Lol!!!!

    1. Re:Recent mass shootings by Sowelu · · Score: 2

      Much like a cheap lock on your door, of course gun laws won't stop someone determined. They just make it less likely that someone who's deranged is going to have one within arm's reach when they snap.

    2. Re:Recent mass shootings by crow_t_robot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, criminals don't follow laws (by definition)

      Well, then I guess we should get rid of all laws since criminals won't follow them, right?

  4. I'm not worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't have to maintain nearly the caloric intake that this guy does, so what's the worst that could happen? I'll let him worry before me.

  5. Trade Negotiations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw that movie. It was kinda boring and liked the previous three better

  6. What about the restrictive nature of the GPL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    In my opinion, it's quite hypocritical to disparage restrictive agreements while at the same time supporting the GPL.

    The GPL is one of the most restrictive open source licenses out there. It's an agreement that's all about taking away the ability of people to do what they want with source code.

    The supporters of the GPL will claim that it's about "keeping the source code open forever" or some nonsense like that, totally ignoring how much freedom this ends up eliminating!

    There are some open source licenses that are all about maximizing the freedom of all of the parties involved. Those licenses include the BSD and MIT licenses. They do not include the GPL!

    It's ok for a supporter of the BSD and MIT licenses to take a stance against restrictive agreements. After all, such a person has shown that she has already taken a consistent, principled stand on such matters. But a GPL supporter is not in that position, given his support for such a freedom-limiting license.

    1. Re:What about the restrictive nature of the GPL? by jrumney · · Score: 0

      The GPL is about maximizing the freedom of users of software. The BSD and MIT licenses are about maximizing the freedom of developers. No license can maximize the freedom of all parties involved, because what you consider the freedom of developers (to ship binaries without source code) is directly at odds with the freedom of users.

    2. Re:What about the restrictive nature of the GPL? by Mr.CRC · · Score: 0

      You aren't forced to accept the GPL at gunpoint, unlike a law.

    3. Re:What about the restrictive nature of the GPL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Certainly not. The users are free to write their own programs however they see fit. How is it "freedom" to get source code someone else wrote? I understand why it is convenient, but I don't see why it is a fundamental human right or anything like that.

      In fact, more closed source projects might inspire more organized alternatives that would be very welcome IMHO. Most of the diversity of OSS is an illusion and the whole movement is nothing more in my eyes than a way for corporate developers to outsource some of the most tedious, reusable work to unpaid interns who live at home and never get a job offer or taken seriously as a human being.

    4. Re:What about the restrictive nature of the GPL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The BSD license gave SUN the "freedom" to strangle Unix for 20 years, put Kevin Mitnick in prison for "stealing" their software, and helped usher in the M$ empire. You should qualify your concepts of freedom and restriction, specifying whether they apply to predators or their prey.

    5. Re:What about the restrictive nature of the GPL? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      "If I have seen farther, it is because i have stood on the shoulders of giants". Quite possibly the smartest man to ever live uttered these words. You advocate the methods of Alchemy, and seek to give it the same lofty perch as true Science.

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      Good-bye
    6. Re:What about the restrictive nature of the GPL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you suffering from brain damage caused by prolonged GPL exposure?

    7. Re:What about the restrictive nature of the GPL? by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      Someone put it brilliantly on Twitter: GPL is free as in freedom. BSD/MIT/Apache is free as in labor.

      The Free Software Foundation has been open from day one that their exact goal is to make proprietary software illegal. The GPL and AGPL and to a lesser extent MPL and EPL are means to that end. The other means is lobbying developers to create copyleft code and convincing everyone to only get and use open source code. Proprietary software enables snooping, embedded malware, and digital rights management.

      You the individual may see BSD/MIT/Apache as "do whatever the hell I want with the code, and let others do the same". But in practice, permissive license open source software is the foundation modern technology companies are using to build their proprietary software empires.

    8. Re:What about the restrictive nature of the GPL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GPL is about maximizing the freedom of users of software

      (to ship binaries without source code) is directly at odds with the freedom of users

      I wish people would stop spreading this false propaganda. GPL/Copyleft is about satisfying RMS' autism which requires everyone to code in his way alone or 'everything is ruined'. All the user cares about is using the binary which copyright, copycenter and copyleft all allow. All the developer cares about is using the code and not being sued which only copycenter allows natively and licensed copyright allows if you make a deal.

  7. wearer of several other hats as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > wearer of several other hats as well

    The ones he wears when he's asking if you want fries with that?

  8. Wow, talk about shilling expenses by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Looking down the comment section I have to admit, it seems the whole TPP reporting starts to worry someone, we sure got a LOT more astroturfing going on now than usual.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    1. Re:Wow, talk about shilling expenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looking down the comment section I have to admit, it seems the whole TPP reporting starts to worry someone, we sure got a LOT more astroturfing going on now than usual.

      What are you talking about? You're the twelfth post on here in two hours and I'm counting all the "TPP is for Cows" crap. Are YOU counting the TPP is for Cows post??

    2. Re:Wow, talk about shilling expenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's kind of like the new trend in reporting I guess, make an issue out of people making an issue where there is no issue. Similar to all the sensationalism about students being too demanding on campus. Since when do we care about their opinions? Why is it news? And yet, we see lots of people jumping on the bandwagon until it BECOMES an issue.

    3. Re:Wow, talk about shilling expenses by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      When out of the 12 comments you have the usual 2 semi-automated nonsense postings, 9 shills and 1 comment on the shills then yes, I do think that's noteworthy.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    4. Re:Wow, talk about shilling expenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shilling? With just 24 comments? Yeah, right. It must be. Or maybe it's because few people give a shit about this fat tub of lard that probably shares toe-jam sandwiches with Sir Stallman. The FSF largely (no pun intended) appeals to zealots. Sane people freely embrace a wider range of choices.

    5. Re:Wow, talk about shilling expenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Furthermore, why is this story tagged "crackpot" and the following one isn't?
      http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/15/12/02/1549212/mother-blames-wi-fi-allergy-for-daughters-suicide

  9. Speaking of freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I seriously need flash player to view this content? It's annoying as hell to go and find the flash plugin with a html5 capable browser.

  10. Plotters always plot in secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Corporate Sovereignty provisions are the biggest turd in these shit piles. It really is just a coup, where the normal democracy and law making process is replaced by a panel of corporate lawyers dividing up the market.

    So a country makes a law that requires tobacco to be sold under the counter, 'Big Tobacco' companies take them to the tribunal of lawyers where they are required to remove this law because it affects the tobacco company profits. Or Volkswagon overturns diesel efficiency standards because it affects their profits. Or Microsoft overturns open format laws because it stops it selling access to your documents to you.

    It puts corporations in the position of being able to overrule national laws and national governments.

    No lawmaker would ever hand over sovereignty of their country to a foreign committee of corporate lawyers, so of course they keep these discussions secret. Plotters don't talk openly about their plots!

  11. Post-Snowden, days of innocence gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BSD was founded (in Berkeley) in an age of innocence, a time when academics and technical enthusiasts gave freely of their time and effort and a time in which malicious actors were almost unheard-of, and their impact was rarely even considered.

    Those days are long gone. They were already on their way out before Snowden showed the world what is going on behind the scenes and put a truckload of nails in their coffin. The NSA revelations killed off any trust the BSD community may have had in closed source, just as firmly as HIV killed off Berkeley "free love". There was a time for it, but that time has passed.

    While the right not to provide source code remains available in the wording of BSD licenses, the fact is that 100% of the developers of BSD distros and BSD packages do publish their own source code and their modified versions of other BSD packages, simply because it's too dangerous to trust closed binaries anymore. What's more, nobody with any credibility would recommend that others use closed BSD-derived binaries, because it's about as sensible as dismissing the importance of protection in sex. The analogy is an apt one since "infection" is a concept that applies in both domains.

    What this means in practice is that the BSD communities now embrace provision of source code just as strongly as does the GPL. The alternative is just too dangerous in this unsafe world, and ill-advised to support. Indeed, if you find a BSD fan supporting closure of BSD sources, it's probably someone from the NSA. (The other possible explanation is youth, which often lacks the wisdom needed to understand the value of privacy and the dangers of universal surveillance.)

    The old days of innocence are gone. You need to understand that, and stop promoting practices that just play into the hands of criminals on both sides of the law. The key distinction between BSD and GPL has in practice now disappeared, because the right to close sources just hands NSA and other evil-doers a trivially exploitable attack vector. Don't do it.

  12. I think I figured out his secret tactic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Judging by his picture, I'm banking that his secret tactic is: I'll gladly trade with you on Tuesday for a hamburger today

  13. Looks like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This fat fuck has made many secret trade negotiations with Twinkies.

  14. back in 2004 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watching video content on Slashdot is an unpleasant experiences. I don't know exactly why, but this is not something that I like to do..