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Spike TV Is Turning Red Mars Into a TV Series (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Kim Stanley Robinson's popular trilogy Red/Green/Blue Mars is going to see its first book turn into a TV series produced by Spike TV and is slated for release in 2017. The episodes will be an hour long, and their writing will be led by J. Michael Straczynski, the creator of Babylon-5. According to Variety, "the series will follow the first settlers charged with terraforming a mysterious planet, all of whom have competed to be a part of the mission."

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  1. Gonna need some hollywood magic by Nikkos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The books were interesting, but pretty boring. Very slow moving.

    1. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by jlv · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't find them slow at all. However, I would have loved to see real 2nd and 3rd generation characters, rather than inventing life-extension and keeping the same old group around.

    2. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by DeathAndTaxes · · Score: 1

      Agreed, I think if anyone is expecting the science of "The Martian" meets the made-for-tv drama of "Game of Thrones", they'll be disappointed. The books certainly had some very interesting concepts and, in the case of Arkady, interesting characters and motivation. However, as OP hinted at, there were dozens or hundreds of pages of boring to go in between the fun parts.

    3. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by KatchooNJ · · Score: 1

      Do consider that they can make whatever changes are necessary for television to spice it up some. TV shows that are very slow don't often make it. TV has a pretty brisk pace to it. Straczynski is an accomplished writer for the small screen, so I have hopes for this one; he won't leave us bored.

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    4. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Probably why they've got Strasinsky

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    5. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      but pretty boring. Very slow moving.

      I don't think I made it half way through before tossing it. And I've read a lot of SF.

    6. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Pretty boring" sums up the entire series pretty well.

      While I love B5, JMS isn't gonna do this series any favors by adding in a bunch of dramatic monologues to it. His story was great, his characters were great, his world was great, but his writing was pretty terrible.

    7. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could see a script treatment slicing and dicing the first few hundred pages of Red Mars, but keeping the stuff that foreshadows what happens for the rest of the series:

      - The relationships spinning up
      - The character background that will get the audience to care about a later murder mystery
      - How the hell someone could stow away on an interplanetary colony ship
      - The construction of Underhill ("I found a goddamned nuclear reactor over here!")
      - The origins of the Red and Green factions
      - The immediate rift with Earth authorities

      There's plenty of drama that could be mined here.

    8. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We had Dallas on Earth, the original, we had Dallas in space, Battlestar Galactica, next up is Dallas on Mars ...

    9. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by Ranbot · · Score: 0

      but pretty boring. Very slow moving.

      I don't think I made it half way through before tossing it. And I've read a lot of SF.

      Same...I dropped Red Mars less than halfway through. It was like reading technical manual of stuff that doesn't exist. Although, between the fake technical manual parts I think I remember a whodunit mystery story that could inspire a TV series palatable to the general public The target audience of this show will not be Sci-Fi book geeks.

    10. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      The books were interesting, but pretty boring. Very slow moving.

      Cool. So I can start reading them now and be finished just in time for the series to start!

      [ Actually, I think I've already read Red Mars - a *while* ago. ]

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    11. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by farrellj · · Score: 2

      If anyone can do a good translation to the small screne, it would be JMS. He knows what is good science fiction, and what is good TV. If it fails, it won't be because of his writing. I think I need to dig out my copies and re-red the series again.

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    12. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      Probably why they've got Strasinsky

      You should send him a link to your post to see where it ranks on his list of worst misspellings of his name.

    13. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QktVh64BYx4

      They should do this.

    14. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by fermion · · Score: 1

      Compared to his other books, the Mars series are plodding. I have hope that JMS is doing this, because he can make plodding interesting. I don't know about Spike TV because I am unsure how you make a Robinson book into NASCAR. Perhaps Spike is once again trying to reimage itself.

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    15. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you need to be a certain kind of geek to like the books. And I'm one of those kind. I like to get every small detail about everything scientific that's going on, and this trilogy does an excellent job in delivering this kind of experience. I'm really looking forward to see how good/bad they make the series, but I have high hopes at the moment (JMS etc.).

  2. Spike TV by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> Spike TV

    Now there's a blast from the past. I kind of forgot about cable networks over the past few years, but I remember that Spike carried STTNG for a while and otherwise seemed to run the same 10-movie cycle (Godfather, something with Bruce Willis, etc.) over and over again.

    1. Re:Spike TV by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I remember that Spike carried STTNG for a while and otherwise seemed to run the same 10-movie cycle (Godfather, something with Bruce Willis, etc.) over and over again.

      What I remember about Spike is MXC. Ow, my balls!

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    2. Re:Spike TV by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 2

      Don't forget Cops.

      Red Mars,
      Red Mars,
      Whatcha gonna do,
      When they terraform you?

    3. Re:Spike TV by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      And not to forget, Spike TV was born out of "The National Network," which was a renamed "The Nashville Network." I remember a lot of ST:TNG in their "National" phase, if I remember. They still went by TNN, so I thought it was still "Nashville" at the time.

  3. I thought by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

    that is MarsOne's job!

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  4. Books are not Scripts by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The books spent a lot of time on the science and on characters' personal motivations. By its very nature, a television (or movie) script will elide most of that, or at most allude to it, and automatically become more concise.

    When there wasn't a massive space battle, Babylon 5 was basically a soap opera. In honor of this fact, they even hired several former soap opera actors. The Mars trilogy can be written much the same way.

    On the other hand, part of the feeling inherent to the books involves the emptiness of the planet, and they're probably going to have to have some long shots and long silences to convey that. It's questionable whether modern audiences will sit still for it.

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    1. Re:Books are not Scripts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are right. Transcripting a book to movie or tv can and does loose a lot. It is why short stories normally make the best conversion. Remember a simple fact of scripts... 1 page is 1 min of film. So ninety page script is a ninety min film. So a thirty page short story can be fleshed out to an hour to two hour film. Taking a 300 page book would mean the film would be 300 minutes, before adjusting for medium. This fact is s part of the reason why that Marvel's Universe can make good movies. Note: the other is holding a long term view of franchise. Why Fantastic 4, X-men, Superman and Batman generally all suck.

  5. Re:Gonna need some hollywood magic SPOILER ALERT by Coisiche · · Score: 1

    There are some potentially impressive scenes. Anything featuring Olympus Mons could be good but the real money shot is going to be...

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    ...when the space elevator is brought down and wraps twice round the planet.

    I suppose when a canal is created using the orbiting lens to cut a path in the planetary surface using focused sunlight is another bit with potential.

  6. Spoiler alert by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Kim Stanley Robinson's popular trilogy Red/Green/Blue Mars

    According to Variety, "the series will follow the first settlers charged with terraforming a mysterious planet

    Spoiler alert: it's Mars.

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    1. Re:Spoiler alert by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Kim Stanley Robinson's popular trilogy Red/Green/Blue Mars

      According to Variety, "the series will follow the first settlers charged with terraforming a mysterious planet

      Spoiler alert: it's Mars.

      Bastard, there's no point in me reading the books now.

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  7. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just look forward to jokes and romance scenes that make you as s cheeks clinch with embarrassment and make you think "I hope no one sees me watching this sh it". Babylon 5 was great otherwise, that is until the crap fest that was season 5. I was so f-ing happy when Byron blew himself up.

  8. terraform?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you can't terraform mars.... god crap like this is stupid....

    1. Re:terraform?? by farrellj · · Score: 1

      You are right, you can't Terraform Mars, you Areoform it!

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  9. Pass by malx · · Score: 1

    I think I'll wait for the spin-off videogame. I'm a fan of city-builders.

  10. What channel? by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

    So this is going to be on Spyke and and not SyFy? Color me surprised.

  11. How will the Reds be portrayed? by spauldo · · Score: 1

    The Reds were a terrorist group in the books, but weren't exactly the bad guys. I wonder how the show's writers and executives are going to portray that in today's environment.

    Come to think of it, most of the characters in the book were "terrorists," at least from the point of view of the UN organization that governed the project. It has massive infrastructure destruction (don't want to spoil it), guerilla warfare, cultural sectarianism, etc.

    I doubt the network execs are going to allow that on the TV show without some major editing.

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    1. Re:How will the Reds be portrayed? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I doubt the network execs are going to allow that on the TV show without some major editing.

      They don't have to change a thing, since even the reddest red tries to stop the violence (e.g. assault on the cable.) They can easily turn it into any message they want without changing events.

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    2. Re:How will the Reds be portrayed? by spauldo · · Score: 2

      That's a good point. They could frame it as a movement gone out of control, and villanize the extremists.

      That would probably play well to the execs.

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    3. Re:How will the Reds be portrayed? by hawkfish · · Score: 1

      The Reds were a terrorist group in the books, but weren't exactly the bad guys. I wonder how the show's writers and executives are going to portray that in today's environment.

      Come to think of it, most of the characters in the book were "terrorists," at least from the point of view of the UN organization that governed the project. It has massive infrastructure destruction (don't want to spoil it), guerilla warfare, cultural sectarianism, etc.

      I doubt the network execs are going to allow that on the TV show without some major editing.

      I dunno. I used to think that, but after watching Daredevil and some of GoT, there seems to be a lot of moral ambiguity in TV shows these days. Not to mention a lot of what we used to call "ultra violence"...

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    4. Re:How will the Reds be portrayed? by spauldo · · Score: 1

      I thought of that (although I was thinking HBO's True Blood), but Spike isn't a pay channel. Then again, Spike isn't a major broadcast network, either.

      Maybe I'm showing my age.

      (off topic: according to the Wikipedia page List of entertainment affected by the September 11 attacks, the WTC appears in scenes where an angel shows how the world would be if Kernit the Frog had never been born. So apparently, the truthers are wrong: Kermit caused 9/11!)

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  12. Red Green by LunaticTippy · · Score: 2

    I hope they bring Red Green in for a cameo. He can fix some space equipment with the handyman's secret weapon, duct tape.

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  13. Re: Gonna need some hollywood magic SPOILER ALERT by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

    That was my immediate thought upon readling the headline. I hope they make it as impressive as it deserves to be. What they did to the moon with the base (not going to spoiler) could another great scene.