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New WTO Trade Deal Will Exempt IT-Related Products From Import Tariffs (cio.com)

itwbennett writes: Under an agreement finalized Wednesday that applies to all 192 member countries of the World Trade Organization (WTO), tariffs on imports of consumer electronics will be phased out over 7 years starting in July 2016. The agreement affects around 10 percent of the world trade in information and communications technology products and will eliminate around $50 billion in tariffs annually, according to IT industry lobby group DigitalEurope. It expects a $190 billion boost to global GDP from the changes.

22 comments

  1. Exploitation with a pretty face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you think large manufacturers of all the consumer electronics we use today are all located in Southeast Asia?

    1. Re:Exploitation with a pretty face by The+New+Guy+2.0 · · Score: 1

      American tech metal (copper) designers are faced with know-nothings in the front office... they confuse customers about the price of gold (you don't pay the "spot price", you pay the "CEA price" when you're making copper for electronics) among other things. I caught one I was working for that didn't write a valid quote for months because gold moved, and their calculation didn't.

    2. Re:Exploitation with a pretty face by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      Why

      No EPA/OSHA/NLRB/EEOC/etc. We all know this. We all indulge the big lie, burnishing our morals by feathering our own regulatory nest while isolating ourselves from both the costs and the damage.

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  2. How about the RIAA tax? (what i call it) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some countries have an added tax (built on the tax revenue itself) towards RIAA like music industry groups whose mafia panel is a very small and locked lobby where the profit returns are guaranteed on every computing device with memory on it. Doesn't matter if they sell 100 copies or 100k they could even spend years releasing nothing and get a decent bonus at the end of the year to good chunk of tens of thousands depending on yearly IT related profits.

    Why is this one less important than the import tariff? Is it because they can loop a slice of their yearly tax return in donations to the political powers that be?

  3. Don't worry everyone... by ADRA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This will clearly help the world redistribute wealth into everyone's pockets...

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    1. Re:Don't worry everyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Organizations like WTO, WIPO, and the UN along with treaties like NAFTA, TPP, TTIP, and dozens of others aren't so much about redistribution of wealth (that's a secondary goal) as they are a means of removing decision-making power (ie. Sovereignty) from nations.

      Take a look at the details of any of these deals and you'll see that they all override the laws of the nations that foolishly sign on. Once a nation can no longer write laws, what are they left with?

      All courtesy of the the megalomaniacal globalist elite who keep pushing for their one world government.

    2. Re:Don't worry everyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All courtesy of the the megalomaniacal globalist elite who keep pushing for their one world government.

      How else are they going to get their climate laws enforced?

    3. Re:Don't worry everyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All courtesy of the the megalomaniacal globalist elite who keep pushing for their one world government.

      Sigh. Some day. Maybe my great grandchildren will see such a thing. Unfortunately it will probably take a global catastrophe with significant population loss to start it.

    4. Re:Don't worry everyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something like a full nuclear exchange with BRICS? Note that no BRICS countries are included in TPP, TTIP and TISA.

      The wealthy elite are already building luxury bunkers probably not unlike the vaults in Fallout. The red site covered this story a while back, not sure if it was covered here, but I can find the link if you need it. (In line with proud tradition, I did not read TFA when that article came up.)

  4. YAY!! by dasgoober · · Score: 1

    Cheap Chinese routers for everybody!

    1. Re:YAY!! by currently_awake · · Score: 2

      You don't understand how this works. Tariff free doesn't mean the retail price of stuff drops, it means the company selling it pays less tax and therefore makes more profit.

    2. Re:YAY!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, had it not been for the oligopoly then someone would want to undercut the competition and lower the prices.

  5. WTO Sucks! by GerryGilmore · · Score: 2

    There has never been a worse trade agreement ever signed by America. Sure, it's been fantastic for the Asian countries but - being an American - you'll excuse me for putting my country's interest first. Let's look at the results: destruction of American manufacturing; elimination of decent middle-class wages; tremendous profitability for the elite "owners" (and don't give me the crap about how - since pension funds invest in mega-corps it benefits retirees when they do this) of said mega-corps; and....the complete abrogation of national sovereignty that it brings. How many of you know that the WTO can (and has) declared American laws "illegal" under the WTO agreement due to a loss of profit to int'l corps and the American citizen has had to either: change our laws or pony up taxpayer $$$ for the "fine". Yeah, tell me again how this is great for America.....

  6. Governmental Spying by The+Raven · · Score: 1

    The more IT equipment is traded between nations, the more they can all spy on each other with embedded malware and hidden backdoors. Makes complete sense.

    And no, I don't wear a tinfoil hat, and this post is half joke, but only half... I'm sure that at least one NSA official nudged a bureaucrat somewhere that this would be good for national security.

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  7. $190 billion in global GDP by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Doesn't really matter much to me. The Tarrifs OTOH help protect local business and when there is no local business fund my gov't. I read somewhere that a bunch of well-to-do kids from the ivy league were surveyed about their thoughts on the economy and what came out was they were only concerned with growing the economy. They weren't evil or anything. They were just completely focused on growing the economy. If they did good in the process bully for me, if they did bad oh well. They weren't immoral, they were amoral.

    In a lot of ways that's worse. It tells me that they're focused completely on the share of that growth they get. There's a name for that, rent seeking. There's a less cheerful name for it too, parasites...

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    1. Re:$190 billion in global GDP by erapert · · Score: 1

      There's a less cheerful name for it too, parasites...

      1. I am absolutely not defending rich people who are assholes with what I'm about to say.
      2. Anyone who takes government handouts when they could be working and earning their own living is a parasite too.

  8. Both good and bad. by Brostenen · · Score: 1

    Well.... It all depends on a given sociaty, if this is good or bad. Yes, it is allways good for the customer and the seller. But for a given state? Now... If you have a country, like Denmark, were you get import charges slammed on top of everything (no exeption) sold at 11,5 US Dollars. Then this is good news. Good because you as a customer get's more choices, than the ones that can only be bought locally. This again makes a certain kind of poison, if you'r state is based on a wellfare system, that is looking after those in need, by letting tarrif's and heavily taxing those who have/or earn more than they can use. The system is not geared towards that. If you on the other hand, have a system that does not care for those in need, in the same kind of way and matter. Well... Then it really does not make that big a difference. Other than more can be sold and bought. Reading on the WTO webpage, just tell's me that yes, these things are loosing import tarrif's. On the other hand, something else will get slammed with tarrif's instead. (can't remember what exactly). So this is not removing tarrif's. They have actually just pushed them from one kind of good's to another. Hence, not really removing them at all. Reading that.... Well.... Makes sence. It's is just a way of dealing with a changing global market, and making things suit the global need better.

  9. I doubt china will drop theirs by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    They have a large number of tariffs that they agreed to drop which they have not done so.

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  10. Hi Globalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The West exports jobs to the 3rd world and imports the citizens. Brilliant.

  11. Where $190 Billion? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

    Without working through their figures, I have no doubt that they get to their staggering $190 billion "boost" by adding up the current tariffs around the world.

    But that tariff money does not evaporate after payment, it goes into the economy of where it was paid. If you transfer money from Peter to Paul, there is no direct loss to any economy which includes them both - and in this case it does include both as it is the global economy they are claiming for.

    Of course there can be secondary effects such as encouraging or discouraging manufacture here or there. In this case though it will only further discourage manufacture in the West and encourage it where wages are cheap, but that trend does not look to me like it needs any more encouragement.

    1. Re:Where $190 Billion? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      If you transfer money from Peter to Paul, there is no direct loss to any economy which includes them both...

      If you're talking about a voluntary transfer in a competitive market, sure. But that's not the case here. A forced transfer of property is pretty much always a direct loss—not of money, of course, but of economic value. The owner loses more value than the thief gains.

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    2. Re:Where $190 Billion? by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

      This is what bothers me about anarcho-libertarianism. The government is not a thief. Taxation by itself is not theft. Taxation buys us civilization: infrastructure, law enforcement, etc. The list of congressional powers enumerated in the Constitution of the USA is a good yardstick for what the founders believed the role of government was.

      Articles of Confederation failed for a number of reasons, but it demonstrated that there is some minimum size for a functional government and hence a functional society.

      Are there unconstitutional things being funded you don't agree with that contribute to your perception that you're being robbed at gunpoint when you pay a tax? If you want to argue that things like welfare programs are unconstitutional, I'd probably agree. Then I'd proceed to argue that those services are necessary and that the Constitution should have been amended. If you want to argue the EPA is unconstitutional, I'd probably agree and same thing, I'd argue there should be an amendment to give congress the power to create and fund something like the EPA. Times change.

      Tariffs serve an important role in protecting the economy of a developed nation from the race to the bottom we see with outsourcing. That money doesn't evaporate. It's another source of funding for that minimum-sized government. They're part of buying civilization. The civilization gains more than the owner loses.

      If you believe taxation is the equivalent of armed robbery, please, move somewhere else in the world where you won't be taxed. Isn't Somalia the go-to place that gets invoked here?

      (Now, mind you, I will accept the argument that in a civilization with an uneducated population and a broken political system that uses its Constitution as toilet paper, perhaps that constitutes taxation without representation, which is theft.)