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Vice: Internet Freedom Is Actively Dissolving In America (vice.com)

An anonymous reader points out Vice's rather dark view of the state of Internet freedom, the author of which posits that "one fact about the internet is quickly becoming clear this year: Americans' freedom to access the open internet is rapidly dissolving." As evidence, the writer points out negative trends in broadband adoption, legal moves to weaken encryption, industry consolidation that means fewer competitors in some areas, increasing use of data caps, and increasing reliance by many (especially poorer) Americans on mobile phones as their only internet-connected devices. (On the other hand, it's worth pointing out that there are now free encryption-centric apps for voice and text communication that give ordinary people privacy options, and both unlocked phones and inexpensive data plans are far closer to the American norm than they were a few years ago.)

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  1. Cool interesting post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll have to check it out, thanks for the post !

    1. Re:Cool interesting post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a Vice article... it's always negativistic.. this is what they do

    2. Re:Cool interesting post by davester666 · · Score: 1

      You are finally going to check out America? Why?

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  2. Freedom of speech is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop pretending. The government is monitoring ALL electronic communication. The US is a fascistic police state with a very very dishonest and corrupt government. It's funny that just 20 years ago the people of the USA made fun of the USSR for doing things that don't even come close to what is happening in the US today. Land of the free my ass. Merry Christmas! I hope everyone found some nice tracking equipment in their socks!

    1. Re:Freedom of speech is dead by StillAnonymous · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All systems of government will deteriorate into totalitarian regimes if they are not kept in check by the good people of the country.

      Most of the evil that is being committed is being done on a somewhat subtle basis, where the public either doesn't even know about it, or only a few good aspects are presented, while the many far more negative ones are not. It seems people only recognize evil if it's an over-the-top James Bond style villain that's going to directly kill a bunch of people. Conversely, they'll believe someone is evil if the media or government tells them to, even if that person is not. They don't understand insidious plans that mean to do them long-term harm, and any attempt by a non-mainstream outlet to inform them of this is met with derision and attempts to dismiss the claim without actually thinking about it by pulling the "conspiracy theory" card.

      In the end, the general public won't try to fix the problem until it is far too late to do so without a complete collapse of the system. In the meantime, the government will whittle away your rights and freedoms while telling you it's for your own good, and you'll be happy to hand them all over on a silver platter.

    2. Re:Freedom of speech is dead by kheldan · · Score: 2

      Are you the same guy from yesterday that was crying in his soup about how EE and programmer jobs are dead end? You sure sound like him.

      'Freedom of Speech' is not completely dead in the U.S., but apathetic pieces of shit like you, who have given up and now just whine and complain and spread your piss and vinegar all over the place, if left unchecked, are what will destroy it. Despite so many of our elected representatives being brain-dead and/or corrupt, there are still people in this country who believe in it, and want to preserve and protect it and the citizens that constitute it. What we have to do is get behind them, get people to wake the hell up and stop being satisfied with the 'Bread and Circuses' they've been mollified by, and get shit straighted out. This country was founded on the concept of 'By the people, For the people', and every citizen needs to be reminded of that. It'll probably get worse before it gets better, but that doesn't mean you throw up your hands and say "Oh, well!" and give up, because this is not a game; there is no 'restart' button for it, there are no extra lives, there are no 'save points' you can reload it from, we all get one shot at this, so gods-damnit, get it right!

      Remember the Four Boxes of Liberty, kids: Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box, and Ammo Box; Use them in that order, but damnit, USE THEM OR LOSE THEM!

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    3. Re:Freedom of speech is dead by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You're as backwards and upside down as the story. People not doing what you wanted... that doesn't tell you they're not free. I mean, really.

      Another thing, me electing a government you don't like? Yeah, doesn't make them fascist. Fascist is a real political position, so it makes a poor pejorative for people who are... violently anti-fascist.

      You know who doesn't have free speech? Cowards who don't have anything they would admit to saying.

    4. Re:Freedom of speech is dead by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, I'm living in a world where everybody with network access can learn EE and even use advanced (free) engineering tools and the whole industry is undergoing an incredible renaissance for the "little guy."

      And freedom of speech continues to expand. People whining about it are just exercising their right. There is no expectation of having something worthwhile to say just to have freedom of speech; that is part of the whole point! No, them saying idiotic things won't harm speech freedoms. That's just silly. Even the idiotic prognostication itself helps to exercise and protect free speech. If ideas so wrong and stupid are still safe and protected, then fear not.

      Just like in TFS. Blathering about some attack on free speech, some loss of speech freedom that it accuses me of having been victim of, and then it lists a bunch of non-speech political things. No, a "negative trend in broadband adoption" does not mean my freedom to access the "open internet" as been even threatened, much less restricted. No, industry consolidation, while perhaps bad for reasons, is not in itself a restriction on anything, even access to the internet. For the purpose of freedom of speech, broadband is not necessary. Broadband is necessary for some quality entertainments, and for some professional work, but for the purpose of getting on the internet to engage in Speech it is totally unnecessary. The US may have sucky broadband, but if you think that makes us less "free" it implies only that you don't know what freedom is. By "you" of course I mean the summary and whoever endorses the view.

      Data caps would be a restriction on speech if it was true that most people can't afford their data use, and that speech took up so much bandwidth compared to entertainment that people would be holding back on speaking in able to use their bandwidth in other ways. But that isn't the way it shakes out; internet speech takes almost no bandwidth for the speaker, and if you're up against a data cap and suffering reduced bandwidth... gosh, speech is still the thing you have bandwidth for! Quit playing and find something to say. Or is that the real problem? People with nothing to say are blaming politicians for it?

    5. Re:Freedom of speech is dead by kheldan · · Score: 1

      I agree with you.

      I don't tell people to STFU, usually, unless it's obvious they're just trolling for the sake of trolling (i.e. they're bored), or are one of those people who argue just for the sake of arguing (because, again, they're bored and/or feeling irrelevant, and arguing with strangers on the Internet is the only way they can feel relevant again), which is another matter entirely. I'll tell them they're being idiots if I think they're being idiots.. but that's in line with what you're saying. :-)

      Honestly I think the biggest roadblock to 'adoption of broadband' right now, is the fact that the Middle Class here in the United States is disappearing, leaving only the Poor and the 'one percenters'. If that trend continues then we'll have a majority of the population scratching just to keep their heads above water, and things like Internet access at home may become a luxury they just can't justify paying for anymore. As I've said elsewhere today, things happening with the Internet in this country, are, in my opinion, just a symptom of bigger problems.

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    6. Re:Freedom of speech is dead by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If you look closely at the chart of the middle class disappearing, a significant percentage are being grouped up and not down. So you don''t have a disappearing middle class at all if you're using 1% as the top group. The upper third of the middle class have increasing wealth. The lower two thirds have static wealth. And the poor are getting slightly less impoverished. So there is a gap forming, but the middle class isn't falling at all. Individually the common situations are continuing up, or stagnating.

      The chart I'm seeing in the news only shows a shrinking middle class because they chose a cutoff point way, way lower than what the "1%" make. And on the bottom end, data doesn't show middle class families dropping to working class, but rather working class families are failing to move upwards into middle class at the old rate. That leaves the total size of the lower-middle class shrinking, but not due to a downwards individual trend. The charts generally hide how many people are being left out of the economy due to automation, and disguise it as a broad-base change.

    7. Re:Freedom of speech is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the end, the general public won't try to fix the problem [ --- ], the government will whittle away your rights and freedoms while telling you it's for your own good, and you'll be happy to hand them all over on a silver platter.

      Fixed.

    8. Re:Freedom of speech is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they won't. Ever been to a city council meeting lately? Do you see any intelligent people in there that show up? Doesn't matter if communist or capitalist, who cares, just anyone with any intelligence? My last visit to them, it was filled with people taking over the mic for prayers, celebrating the boy scouts and the black lives matter idiots.

      And if anyone with any intelligence does show up, do you see how they get ostracized by the group? This is our future.

    9. Re: Freedom of speech is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Internet freedom is a myth. Once you left the University and paid for that dial up connection from AT&T or that cable connection from Comcast, you gave up your so called Internet freedom...

    10. Re:Freedom of speech is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "All systems of government will deteriorate into totalitarian regimes if they are not kept in check by the good people of the country."

      No: This needs to be revised for accuracy:

      ""All systems of government will deteriorate into totalitarian regimes." There is yet to be a single exception to this rule. America is young, its Constitution is idealistic, but there is no evidence that its 2nd Amendment nor any of its other protections are actually effective at preventing or even ameliorating the inevitable fall of an empire, and all the attendant consequences including totalitarian power grabs.

  3. 2 Evil Forces against the good by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On one hand you have the Copyright Cartel, I mean, the Entertainment Industry buying laws to give them more rights, so they can abuse more ways to make money off content that will NEVER go into the public domain. And on the other hand you have the Government, who gladly accepts money to make laws that benefits their Movie & Music Mafia pals. On top of that, they want to overreach by collecting all the data America makes to make us safer, yet not catching home terrorist acts. Then claiming they need backdoors and no encryption to make us safer.

    Our government has failed the people.

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    1. Re: 2 Evil Forces against the good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The government is serving the only part of the population that matters. Get over yourselves, 99 percenters.

    2. Re:2 Evil Forces against the good by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      Many of these bleats are just redescriptions of advancing quality -- caps...while speeds continue increasing and the cap levels keep increasing. Phones-as-only-internet with the attendant observation there exist Internet surfing smart phones...that the poor can afford.

      Jesus H. Christ, what sophistry. The only real concern are encryption issues, and in the US anyway, encrypted speech is protected speech all by itself, independent of the speech being encrypted.

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    3. Re:2 Evil Forces against the good by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Our government has failed the people.

      Absolute fucking bullshit! The people have failed the government by letting it rot and not speaking up.

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    4. Re:2 Evil Forces against the good by kheldan · · Score: 0

      Absolute fucking bullshit! The people have failed the government by letting it rot and not speaking up.

      Hear, hear! Someone mod this person up, +1, Truth .

      Government By the People, For the People .

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    5. Re: 2 Evil Forces against the good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean by the select few people that can buy politicians, for the bought politicians and their buyers. Yup, we really failed our government (we who cannot afford to buy our "representatives").

    6. Re: 2 Evil Forces against the good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You are full of it. You are not compelled to vote for bought politicians.

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    7. Re: 2 Evil Forces against the good by kheldan · · Score: 1

      If The People demanded campaign reform, then it'll happen, and I think it needs to happen. Elections should not be determined by who has the most money to spend; the playing field needs to be leveled, and the citizens of the U.S. have the power to force that change.

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    8. Re: 2 Evil Forces against the good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are not compelled to vote for bought politicians.

      It's either that or not vote. I find it shocking that people still call this a democracy. It really isn't.

    9. Re: 2 Evil Forces against the good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      That's bullshit. You can work the primaries. If you need money to get votes, you're doing it wrong.

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    10. Re: 2 Evil Forces against the good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      If people can vote for campaign "reform", they don't need it. They can vote for anything without it. We need voter reform..

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    11. Re: 2 Evil Forces against the good by kheldan · · Score: 1

      We need voter reform..

      Then what are you waiting for?

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    12. Re:2 Evil Forces against the good by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Absolute fucking bullshit! The people have failed the government by letting it rot and not speaking up.

      Oh please. This is supposed to be a 'appy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue about who failed who...

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    13. Re: 2 Evil Forces against the good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Nothing... You?

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    14. Re: 2 Evil Forces against the good by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Nothing... You?

      OK.. so what are you doing to help bring about this voter reform that you say we so desperately need? What have you done so far? What are your plans? Who else is involved?

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    15. Re: 2 Evil Forces against the good by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I'm no evangelical. And voting is a personal choice. All I can do is present facts in the most pleasant way possible, and hope they make the "right" decision. I do, however, recommend shunning democrats and republicans and others who take money from unsavory people/institutions. To tell the truth, I think we need to conscript people, kinda like jury duty, who don't want the job. They are far more qualified. It would be a nice reminder of who they are there to serve. These are the things I tell people in meatspace. I don't think they get it though. Reelection rates are a very stable 95%. And in the US congress, there are no independents, despite the label they flash. Nothing I'm saying here is new or original, but I believe the effort should be made if any actual progress is desired. As it is, we can trudge along for maybe another 500 years. Rome lasted longer under much worse conditions.

      But if nobody can be bothered, I'm certainly not going to kill myself over it. As always the choice is theirs (yours), not mine. Battling a 98% approval rating by the people who vote is not my cup of tea. But to the complainers, especially those who vote for the major (R/D) party, I can only say fuck off. They created this mess, nobody else. The money angle is bullshit.

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  4. Muckraking by retroworks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Some of the best journalism comes from Muckraking. Still, it's pretty easy to see that the main advantage of the internet is that it provides education / information to billions of people who never had access to it before, and the growth in that penetration is a bigger story than the limits to educating and informing people. The main disadvantage is when the internet provides miseducation / false information to billions of people. The nuance is that misinformation has been readily accessible to the billions of people for eons. The optimist thinks that misinformation will find it more difficult to compete with truth, and that attempts to curtail it will tend to blowback on churches, governments and corporations which try to wedge against it.

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    1. Re:Muckraking by Snotnose · · Score: 2

      Still, it's pretty easy to see that the main advantage of the internet is that it provides education / information to billions of people who never had access to it before,

      Too bad those billions of people would rather watch cat videos than educate themselves.

    2. Re:Muckraking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad those billions of people would rather watch cat videos than educate themselves.

      Or impotently post messages on an internet forum guaranteed not to change a goddamn thing. But we all like a little diversion now and then, don't we?

    3. Re:Muckraking by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Those interests are not mutually exclusive. Cite evidence otherwise.

    4. Re:Muckraking by tepples · · Score: 1

      Once you have blown through your monthly data allowance watching cat videos, you have no more monthly data allowance with which to educate yourself.

    5. Re:Muckraking by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Stop trying to restrict their speech. If cat videos are what people care about, then cat videos are included in the speech that is protected. And behold the depth of their freedom, the endless exploration of their medium that they are engaged in. If they can survive that much cute, then revel in it; wallow in your freedom to live silly lives vicariously through cats.

    6. Re: Muckraking by BlytheBowman · · Score: 1

      This is why cat people (cat sheeple sheepcats?) annoy me to no end. Oh, but it is ok for a person to get beat up and abused, but if you dare mess the hairs of Mittens, they will burn down your house and string you up.

  5. Comment sections being banned to suppress dissent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    and point out their bs

  6. Let me be the first by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Let me be the first to say, "No shit."

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  7. Loss of content by DCFusor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm not so sure Vice is all-negative, after all, they did a pretty cool and positive feature on my fusion work. You can search youtube on my username for it if you care.
    What does concern me is that it used to take me almost all day to read everything new that day on the 'net - and now it takes only an hour, if that, and I don't really read faster than I used to.
    .
    While it seems even the tinfoil hat crowd aren't talking about explicit censorship, either the world is kind of going dead, or something like hidden chilling effects are happening. I really don't like that one bit - no matter which it is - the creeping lack of new worthwhile content doesn't bode well at all. Yes, I read more widely on more topics and specialties than most so maybe it's more obvious to me, but gee, it's a huge change over the last few years. Seems as though society is just giving up, whatever the reason.

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    1. Re:Loss of content by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      I am concerned about the rise of walled gardens. If Facebook can get everyone to communicate via Facebook, then communication becomes limited to whatever Facebook will allow. Repeat for other services.

      Journalism is being starved to death, so that source of real news is drying up.

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    2. Re:Loss of content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Real news mostly dried up long ago. While certainly a threat, I'm not sure I would place walled gardens near the top of the list in terms of causes.

      Rather, the major reasons I have seen contribute to the dearth of good investigative journalism are two-fold.

      The first, and perhaps largest reason being that news outlets figured out it is far more profitable to become an echo chamber keeping to a specific viewpoint than to try and tell people what's actually going on. People would much rather hear stories that confirm their world view, and they're more than willing to switch stations when something they don't want to hear comes on.

      The second is that the federal government figured out that the news agencies live and die based on access to federal officials, so it could wield a huge amount of leverage against the news outlets to print what the government wants or bury stories when necessary. If a news company steps out of line and prints something unfavorable enough, access to press events like white house press conferences can be revoked.

    3. Re:Loss of content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Seems as though society is just giving up, whatever the reason.
      They are giving up because Snowden held up a mirror and let them see what cowards they have become. They have retreated in fear when they realized that freedom has nothing to do with fighting foreign wars for oil, yellow ribbons, or litttle plastic flags. Freedom in the digital age requires being willing to put your eternal reputation on the line to stop those who would govern you and yours to death with the fruits of your own labor.

    4. Re:Loss of content by DCFusor · · Score: 1
      Ok, here's the link - and no, I'm not trying to self-promote (no need), just point out the >1600 comments and no moderation. This probably changed recently, but...my own experience was different. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Got quite a few views...and they'll be back - we made that breakthrough I predicted.
      :

      Not that I disagree with the other commenters. As I said - it's like the world just went dark. Even /. just doesn't have the story flow which has been not only slowing, but becoming more derivative of the other sites I read. It all seems to be copy-paste, little real journalism anymore. In fact, it seems to me that outfits like Vice at least *originate* things once in awhile, not just copy from the wires who themselves no longer put many in the field. And it's not just "news", but science reporting (my gig is science), tech (same old, little innovation), and most of everything else I can think of at the moment. As if the stuff on social media was ever of great concern to any but the most shallow. To actual humans, it seems pretty boring and almost totally meaningless, except as a warning to "don't go there with your life, get a real one instead".

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    5. Re:Loss of content by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What does concern me is that it used to take me almost all day to read everything new that day on the 'net - and now it takes only an hour, if that, and I don't really read faster than I used to.

      It is funny, I open tabs of pages of data that I want to consume, but defer because it is not topical to what I'm researching, and then later I can go back and read those tabs. But they grow too fast, and I only have the same 25 hours a day as everybody else. So I finally end up with firefox getting bloated, so I give up and just toss the unread tabs... by then it is usually a few thousand. I do read probably 25% of what I set aside to read.

      If your internet data sources are shrinking, you're almost certainly stuck in a silo of your own making.

      It is the same problem the people crying about censorship have. They lack motivation to participate in meaningful speech, and they blame invisible gatekeepers.

      The difference between the internet now and 15 years ago is that now there is just more data, and most of it sucks. The noise is increasingly difficult to filter. But that should present itself as a different problem; excess crap, excess data. If you're short on data you've got severe bottlenecks. I use noscript and ad blockers, and can'trefuse to consume much of the available data, and there is still significant excess. There is no way to trim that down without restricting speech, so building silos might be a good answer. But perhaps they become less useful if they're seen as something evil that is being imposed by invisible beings.

    6. Re:Loss of content by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      I am concerned about the rise of walled gardens.

      I'm not, as long as they don't build past their property line. If I refuse to enter, how can it harm me?

      If "everyone" is vapid and has nothing to say, my advice is to get a different "everyone." ;) In your scenario, the fault is on the lame people with nothing to say, not facebook. Facebook isn't email, or anything else outside of facebook. If users stop using other communication forms, they probably are less interested in communication. So what? Isn't that a part of their freedom?

      The point of freedom is that you could just rent a VPS and start another service that offered what features you're worried would dry up. Freedom does not mean others joining you, it means that they could if they actually wanted to. ;)

      And to the extent that journalism is the source of news it isn't drying up at all, it is experiencing an unparalleled golden age. I think it really the people who dislike journalism being that involved in creating content that have reduced choices. But it is really just a signal/noise problem. There is actually more news being reported, there is just also more news being repeated, and so because of the signal:noise issues it gets hard to find things.

    7. Re:Loss of content by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      The point of freedom is that you could just rent a VPS and start another service that offered what features you're worried would dry up. Freedom does not mean others joining you, it means that they could if they actually wanted to. ;)

      Communication doesn't happen if people don't hear or read your words. If everyone else is in the walled garden and they don't see what you are saying through your VPS, what's the point? Yes, you are free, but you can't get your message through. Censorship can happen at either end of a discussion.

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    8. Re:Loss of content by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Communication doesn't happen if people don't hear or read your words.

      No, freedom of speech is not the freedom to be heard. It is up to you to say something people want to hear, if you want them to listen to you. Being heard is not the purpose of freedom of speech. You ask what is the point of free speech if people choose to listen to somebody else? Seriously?!

      No, censorship can't happen at either end. You've either been censored, or you haven't. People ignoring you is not them censoring you.

    9. Re:Loss of content by DCFusor · · Score: 1
      I could be somewhat silo-ed - I've been planning to work on that more, at any rate. Dunno. What I see is more dupes out there than even slashdot - which I quickly detect, so the amount of truly new content that isn't trivial is still going down from my POV. I'm no spring chicken on the inet - so perhaps my perception is different, due to having seen all this go by a lot more than most. I particularly laugh at all the "press release gimme a grant" science, having books from the '50's that describe much of the same stuff, but our new specialists don't know they've merely rediscovered something I have in an old book already. And you gotta love those headlines and abstracts that promise the world - and deliver nothing at all. I've learned to read those faster, or well, skim and reject, which might be part of it. "Oh, Piebald, you took nothing and made it into words!"
      .

      I don't count entertainment/social/sports, as from my old-fart POV, those things are unchanging human nature, and essentially trivial and boring. I don't care who is famous for being famous anymore, who is porking whom, who won the game (with credits for the script at the end!) and so forth one bit.

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    10. Re:Loss of content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thinking people are falling dead by schizophrenics, indeed.

    11. Re:Loss of content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The noise is increasingly difficult to filter.

      That's it. Information can be compromised by too much noise just as easily as too little signal and today too many bad-faith actors realize that and act on it. In a complex world it becomes increasingly difficult to find reliable information source and in practice it often becomes impossible.

  8. Stupid premise, stupid author by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the author of the refenced article had any journalistic ability he would have realized that the definition of broadband was redefined between 2013 ant 2015 leading to the apparent decrease of home installations. Furthermore the author seems to be easily confused by conceits such as rate vs. total and confuses adoption (normally expressed as a rate YTY) with installed based. I attribute this to a general lack of fundamental understanding of mathematics if not calculus on the whole. Sadly this is a pretty common sight for ignorant journalists these dqys. What would make an interesting article is the decline of fundamental mathematics comprehension among journalists over time.

    1. Re: Stupid premise, stupid author by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Stupid comment

    2. Re:Stupid premise, stupid author by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's fun to be smart and ignorant, ask any journalist...or worse, newsreading anchor...overpaid and underscrutinized...

  9. Re:Comment sections being banned to suppress disse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup. Ironic, no? "Free speech is in danger, but people were posting things we don't agree with, so we have to silence everyone in response. That's not hypocrisy, that's social justice."

  10. Re:Comment sections being banned to suppress disse by StillAnonymous · · Score: 0, Troll

    Completely true. The CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corporation, a publicly funded news outlet in Canada) has been filtering comments that don't fit their agenda, or outright closing comments sections on articles when the narrative starts falling apart, risking a backfire of the programming attempt. A number of articles don't even get the comment section from the start, since they know people will point out the bullshit immediately. There was more truth in the comments sections than in the articles in many cases.

    I can't find it right now, but there was an opinion article on cbc.ca that was along the lines of "Is it time to remove online comments altogether?" because you "had no right" to them in the first place. Never mind that this is an organization that is funded by taxpayer money, to the tune of about a billion dollars a year.

  11. The worst censorship is not from governments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You and the GP blame "governments", but it's much more than that.

    The worst censorship we witness online isn't done by governments, or those acting on behalf of governments.

    The most insidious censorship is that done by the people running the discussion forums, or their minions. Look at places like reddit, or Hacker News, or Stack Overflow. If you don't hold exactly the right viewpoints and opinions, then you will most likely be silenced and banned.

    Slashdot isn't as bad as those aforementioned sites, but it's still susceptible to very abusive and incorrect moderation, too.

    The real threat here is Millennials. They're an entire generation of people who've deluded themselves into believing that they stand for freedom and openness, yet in practice they're actually among the most virulent perpetrators of censorship and the suppression of free expression.

    If you express an opinion that they dislike, they don't engage in discussion. They just shut you down, typically using a system that's without any sort of an appeal process, or due process of any sort.

    At least governments tend to be subject to at least some judicial oversight, no matter how minor or ineffective it may be. There is absolutely no resource against online moderators who engage in oppression.

    1. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by StillAnonymous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Government is very susceptible to demands that the government expand its powers. They're always looking for ways to hold onto their existing power while grabbing more.

      That's why the "progressives" that you mention, in combination with corrupt government, are so harmful to a free society. They're the ones demanding that restrictions be put on free speech so that they can have their safe spaces, and the government is more than willing to take that. They're the ones demanding that people be harassed and fired from their jobs, their livelihoods destroyed, simply because they spoke an alternative viewpoint, or even because they didn't speak out enough in support of their viewpoints (see protests against administrators at these so-called liberal colleges).

      While these people are still a small minority, the government is giving them disproportionate regard, simply because it allows them to grab more power. But in the end, it's up to the people to say "no" when the government steps too far out of line, having the responsible individuals removed from power when they have abused that power. That should have happened a long time ago for a lot of power in power. People have let it go on for far too long, and now it's nearly impossible to remove these people from power using the means within the system because the system itself has been perverted to protect these people.

    2. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot's as bad. Apk gets modded down just for posts on hosts files superiority to browser addons whose users aren't modded down for doing the same yet they never prove apk wrong either. Such big talkers here of freedom of speech yet they're the biggest abusers of it by applying unjustifiable mod downs. They try to call apk a spammer but he's not selling anything. He gives away better speed, security, reliability and anonymity for free using something you have natively in your system already instead of adding on a more inefficient redundant more. So what you talk of goes on everywhere and it's rampant on slashdot.

    3. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I wouldn't blame a generation wholesale. Millennials got handed a pretty shitty world. However, I do see a lot of head-scratching stuff, similar to the apolitical German back in the 1920s/1930s. The infinitile "safe rooms" at universities for example, or during a class, a female accusing others of "verbal rape" when they disagreed with her viewpoint.

      I see the censorship coming from the left. If I post on a right-wing gun list that I am atheist, at worst, I might get someone asking me to reconsider my beliefs. And trust me, the right wing gun lists are pretty far out there.

      However, I got kicked out of my city's Democratic party (where I did a lot more "walk the walk" when it came to canvassing and volunteer work) when they were scoffing at the furor over the right and the UN Small Arms treaty... and I reminded them of ACTA, the DMCA, and the TPP... and how a treaty popping up and getting ratified can happen out of nowhere.

      It isn't the far right that is demanding censorship and "individual responsibility for opinions". No, the far right has its own issues (giving carte-blanche to corporations, the attitude of if you are not rich, you don't deserve to live), but I just find it ironic that the "ammosexuals" have far more tolerance for a former Democrat than the Dems had for someone in their ranks for decades who points out an obvious fact that differs from the same drivel cycling in their echo chamber.

      As for censorship online... Try Wikipedia. I've brought new evidence and sources many times to articles from peer-reviewed journals I had access to when I was in college. No matter what I did (and no, this wasn't mindless trolling), the changes I did were reverted with either no reason, or a generic "vandalism" revert. When I message someone about clarification, I'd get no response. There is no way for the average person to have an impact on Wikipedia because the editors will just give you the middle finger unless you manage to get into the good ol' boy club somehow.

      Even Slashdot is similar. Yes, there are issues with too much surveillance under current governments, but people on the streets are not getting a knock on the door and disappearing without trials right after they click "Submit" on a thread...{#`%${%&`+'${`%&NO CARRIER

    4. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by mikael · · Score: 2

      Just look at the universities in the UK and USA. If a controversial speaker is invited to a debate, they will either shout down that person until they leave, or they themselves will walk out of the debating hall.

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    5. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stop talking about yourself in the third person. you use the same writing style every single time.

    6. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      You don't describe "censorship," you describe "freedom of speech" where it is the owner of the forum whose rights are involved.

      Your neighbor saying different things than you doesn't restrict your speech, and your neighbor requiring visitors to follow his rules of politeness is also not a restriction on your freedom. Freedom of speech is not "freedom to be heard in your neighbors house at your convenience." That is true of both a literal neighbor's house, and also an internet forum.

    7. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by tepples · · Score: 1

      That's why I opened up a separate discussion off Slashdot for people to try to prove APK wrong.

    8. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 0

      Incorrect moderation means nothing if you browse at -1. What level you browse at is entirely your choice, so it's your choice whether incorrect moderation will be a problem or not, so there's no real reason to cry about it.

      As for echo chambers, it's both the nature of the beast (people tend to prefer sites that are compatible with their views), and also a matter of choice. Nobody is forcing anyone else to read a particular site, and imposing a mandatory % of "I disagree" posts on a site just to have "balance" is going to be an utter fail, like it does in what passes for "balanced" reporting today.

      There's also nothing stopping you from rolling up your sleeves and developing something better. Slashdot is actually above average, since they don't remove posts (otherwise we wouldn't be seeing all those criticisms of the editors and dice), and if you don't like that a certain article wasn't published, you can always post it in your slashdot journal.

      Online communication isn't the only form of communication, and it certainly isn't the best. Most of the Internet has become one way, same as radio and tv before it - streaming video, porn, and cat pictures account for almost all the traffic - not discussions. Indeed, with 78% of traffic being videos, the internet is, for the most part, used by viewers just like TV - and that's what users seem to have voted for with their eyeballs.

      A bit of perspective - getting a million "likes" is comparatively meaningless compared to being on the front page of a major newspaper or being on the evening news (unless it's Fox News, in which case it's completely devoid of meaning, but that's another discussion).

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    9. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Apk gets modded down just for posts on hosts files superiority to browser addons whose users aren't modded down for doing the same yet they never prove apk wrong either.

      He gets modded down because he's an autistic spamming fuck. (I apologize to any actual autsists and Aspergers folks whom I may have offended by comparing them to APK.)

      Look, there's nothing actually wrong with using a hosts file. It's not a perfect solution, but it can be useful. If he'd mention it once per thread, in the context of the discussion, most of us would have no problem with him. What is wrong is when he cuts/pastes a wall of nearly identical text, dozens of times per thread. That's when he crosses the line from advocating a technological decision into outright trolling/spamming.

    10. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I don't know - I think that slashvertisements and Bennett Hazelton are much more annoying because they're right on the front page.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    11. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > The most insidious censorship is that done by the people running the discussion forums, or their minions.

      I kinda agree and kinda disagree. I'm going for some broad categories here, in descending order of strictness- it's not totally accurate, but close.

      1- Place that only allows discussions on a set of topics, and each thread within that needs to conform strictly to the topic.
      Example: a question on stack overflow
      2- Place that allows discussions posted generally, and allows for anything vaguely topical in that
      Example: several hobbyist forums, which often have a "general offtopic" forum, and several topical forums
      (this is the sort of place you can start a discussion about a video game and have several responses that involve whether gun control is good or bad, for instance, inline)
      3- Place that uses forums to broadly categorize discussions, but any topic or segue is ultimately allowed.
      Example: in theory reddit, 4chan, 8chan
      4- Place with truly open speech.
      Example: unmoderated sections of the above, to a degree usenet, to a degree email

      In practice (4) is unworkable- as everyone discovered almost immediately, if you can say anything for free, the entire discourse becomes robots screaming louder and louder to sell you junk. To the spammer, it's not a common ground to talk, it's a platform to ensure that their message gets through to someone who could buy their product, and everyone else doesn't count- and in all cases, their solution is to scream louder and louder. When spamming first became a thing, I sorta wondered if it was legitimately real- like was it really worth the effort of all these decentralized randos to push their warez as hard as they could? Or was this a push to mute the usefulness of the medium by making it unusable? It became obvious enough that yes, there really were random spammers who made a living (even got rich) doing this, and it wasn't a conspiracy- but the idea only occurred to me that it was so effective.

      Most people will immediately say "hold on, there's a difference between censoring or removing political speech, and censoring or removing bulk messages trying to scam you". And of COURSE there is- but the fact that there's no ironclad way to distinguish the two is a problem. In practice, there's several practical ways to do so (usually a moderator for most sites, but spam filters have become extremely effective). It means that the naive solution- letting everyone say what they want- is entirely unworkable. That's a great victory for the censors, because it means that almost everyone now is in favor of SOME degree of speech limiting, and that was actually a debate people were still having ten years ago, even moreso twenty years ago.

      A site like slashdot works to a degree because it has roughly the "right" amount of users- slashdot wouldn't work with 1/100th the users, and probably wouldn't work with 1000x the users- and also because the moderation is in two steps- heavy selection of users whose moderation history selects for discussion (not mob voting) with tiny piles of mod points, and actual admin appointed moderators to curate and even remove some things. Even then, slashdot is not in (4) or even (3). Every post on ad blockers invites similar discussion to the last post on ad blockers. Can adblock do 16 things? Stop blocking ads, it's the only way I get money! Ads are harmful to all humans. Man, remember when ads totally wrecked my girlfriend's machine and I was up until 4 AM fixing it because she needed it the next day? Etc. Sometimes a post will come in on a topic that is relatively rare, and the discussion will be unpredictable.

      Sites like reddit and voat take a different approach- mob justice. By allowing everyone an infinite amount of moderation points, while offering user defined subdivisions to scale to enormous amounts of users, they encourage mass downvotes or upvotes. This means that some parts of the site with

    12. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prove it anonymous coward detective. I'm not apk and tepples says the same on the page mentions above me here on his pin8 website.

    13. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > You and the GP blame "governments", but it's much more than that.

      Indeed. Blaming the Government is only half the problem.

      The other half of the problem is:

      * The face in the mirror

      because ALL governments are made up of people. Gandhi summarized the solution:

      Be the change you want to see in the world.

    14. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't hold exactly the right viewpoints and opinions, then you will most likely be silenced and banned.

      he said as an anonymous coward....

      Or... Maybe you are just butthurt that your backwards views are generally rejected by society as a whole.

    15. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Unmoderated speech works - just look at slashdot. Far less crap than a forum where you can report posts, such as Facebook.

      Anonymity is for wimps who don't have the courage to stand behind what they say, and fear that advertisers have so much power with targeted ads that they will somehow be hypnotized into buying stuff they don't really want.

      The more advertising you're exposed to, the more you learn how to be ad-blind. So of course, in what is a really counter-productive move, they spend even more on advertising. Click-through rates per 1,000 impressions have dropped through the floor. If there's something you're interested in, you'll see the ad - otherwise, it just won't register on your consciousness. And you'll probably not take action immediately. After all, you're already using the net when you see the ad, and can do some product research and comparison shopping pretty easily.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    16. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Unmoderated speech works - just look at slashdot.

      Slashdot is definitely moderated. Not just by users, but by real actual moderators. Lets take a great example: apk. He has a copy-paste "host engine" spambrick that he poops out sometimes dozens of times per thread. But is this promotion really spam? It's topical (he won't post it unless someone is talking about ad blocking or security), it's not commercial (he wants to spread awareness, not sell you something), and he'll absolutely throw down with anyone who wants to debate.

      Yet, his posts are DELETED by the moderators. I don't see anyone too upset about this- he obviously shits on forum etiquette by posting the same general promotion/debate brick of text. But is that really free speech? It's some kind of border. He's not selling penis pills, he's trying to help for real. But if you look up the threads where he debates people now, you'll see most or all of his posts deleted- that means someone had to make the call.

      Now hypothetically- lets say instead of apk, you had a straight up spammer. That would obviously be deleted. Proof of that is simple: if spammers weren't deleted, they'd be all over this board, and browsing at -1 would add a megabyte of random spam messages right next to the guy posting a political opinion that everyone disagrees with. The moderator deletes the former and does not delete the latter- and the mods do a good job, but they are absolutely not providing unmoderated speech. The forum would be unreadable if they did not.

      Slashdot is evidence that reasonably loosely moderated speech works well on a forum.

      > "Anonymity is for wimps who don't have the courage to stand behind what they say"

      I just explained one of the big problems with the addition of full accountability- you'll feel much more likely to hold whatever views you are on record as arguing for. You are on record with the following opinions:

      > That anti-oxidants aren't good for you
      > That SJWs do things at times
      > That sometimes speech results in the justifiable use of force

      By repeating them here, I am making you more likely to KEEP these views, because I'm reminding you that you said them.

      So you are more likely to hold these views in the future, AND you provide an attack surface to demonize you should you need to stand up and talk about, say, an important security issue, AND you provide an easy way to be tagged and aggregated by, not just today's marketers, but by a potential future state. You risk a theoretical far-left state disagreeing with your views on gender being determined in the brain (facts are negotiable to state level actors!) and a theoretical far-right state deciding that you are mentally ill and taking your freedoms- all easily laid out for collection and processing.

      It's irrational to assume that the benevolence of governments will not ever, however briefly, dip deeply negative. It's irrational to assume that putting your posts together via a much more powerful set of logic than exists today will NOT happen, or that you will be pleased with the results.

      Make sure you're being brave, not foolhardy.

    17. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      No, his posts are not deleted by moderators. You've obviously never seen the huge quantity of posts he makes when he attacks me - years later, they're still there.

      And I've been known to change my views or admit I was wrong on-line. It's no big deal - it's just the internet. As an example, we're no longer fighting because there's more to life, he's an okay guy on other topics, and what the heck, if you don't like it, just don't browse at -1 :-)

      More fun when, one day, the boss walked in and announced to everyone that I had MADE A MISTAKE. I stood up and said "That's right everybody. I made a mistake. That means I learned something new - isn't that great? We should all be proud of our mistakes, because it's part of getting experience to get it right. Embrace your mistakes - the bigger the better, because the bigger ones have more to teach you."

      It makes it a lot easier for others to ask for your advice when they know you won't think they're stupid for making a mistake, but rather that you expect them to make mistakes and learn from them.

      As for profiling by marketers, why should I give a darn what they do, as long as it doesn't affect me. They can have all my data, because I'm not going to buy something just because I saw an ad. Now, if they use that information to make a product that actually meets my needs, that's a good thing. And for sure, I want to hear about it. Doesn't mean I won't do my research first, though.

      As for a far-left or far-right state taking action against me because I don't hide the fact that I'm a transsexual (kind of hard to deny it when I was outed here a decade ago), we just got rid of what we consider a far-right government here in Canada (though even that government would look left-leaning compared to the major parties in the US), and we're protected in our constitution against discrimination based on sex (and the courts have already held that sex includes gender identity being at variance with birth sex). There is no way that anyone wants to reopen the constitution because that will bring up the whole Quebec question again.

      Besides - the government already knows I have PTSD and Major Depressive Disorder - and these are mental illnesses. Taking away my freedoms on that basis is going to cost more than it's worth. Ditto for the 4% of the population that suffers from a mental illness in any given year, and the 25% of the population that suffers from a mental illness at some point in their lives.

      Yes, I don't care who knows all these things about me - being open about it is part of removing the stigma so others won't be wrongfully stigmatized and hesitate to seek help. In other words, rather than just react to society, in my little way I'm trying to change it - and sometimes I succeed :-)

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    18. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      And no, I'm not being foolhardy. It's called "paying it forward." You can't "pay it forward" in honor of those who have been open in the past if you hide.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    19. Re:The worst censorship is not from governments. by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it was so much better when we could just call these uppity blacks "n....". It was the real freedom! Oh, sorry my local KKK branch meeting is starting, have to run.

  12. rookie mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If your society requires anonymity for freedom of speech, then that society is not free to begin with.

    1. Re:rookie mistake by shaitand · · Score: 1

      It would be a rookie mistake if it were possible to have a sustainable societal model that allowed true freedom of speech without anonymity.

      The only model I can think of where there is even the potential for such a thing is a benevolent yet powerful dictator/king. But sooner or later he will die or be overthrown.

    2. Re:rookie mistake by kheldan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the 'society' you were raised and live in doesn't have Freedom of Speech to start with, then you're not even qualified to be commenting on anyone else's 'society' to start with, and you demonstrate that in one sentence by failing to recognize that the ability to be anonymous in your speech is the ultimate, most powerful expression of Freedom of Speech: The ability to say anything about anyone or anything, with no fear of reprisal. Of course with such powerful freedom there is a great potential for abuse, and we see that every single day on the Internet, but to destroy that particular freedom would be a monstrous crime.

      ..oh, and for the record: I don't know about whatever 3rd-world hole you live in, but here in the U.S.? You can say whatever you want and NOT be anonymous if you want, but you'd damned well better be prepared to defend your words -- but still, nobody has the right to limit what you have to say.

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      Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
    3. Re:rookie mistake by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2
      A society that actually believe in "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. * " would not need anonymity. It doesn't need a king or dictator - just citizens well enough educated to realize that they're not always going to be right, and giving the same respect to other citizens that they would wish to receive. Not everyone needs to adhere to this standard for it to have a huge effect on society's tolerance of those who are not the same, whether it be opinion, appearance, handicap, religion, sexuality, economic or social status, gender, etc?

      * Beatrice Evelyn Hall, writing in "The Friends of Voltaire" in 1906.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    4. Re:rookie mistake by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but you are requiring all members of the society, or at least all that hold any power, to hold a standardized belief. That's not exactly a free society. (And it's also pretty unlikely that any such society could ever exist, given the belief you are requiring them to hold.)

      What you need is a society where the design of the system allows unpopular, and unpopular with the powerful, views to be published. One way to accomplish this is anonymity. Are there others? Perhaps, but it hasn't been experimentally demonstrated...unless, of course, you require those who wish to voice unpopular views to be subjected to punitive results which can be arbitrarily harsh.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    5. Re:rookie mistake by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      No, I'm not. Just a sufficient number to be a moderating influence.

      I am definitely not anonymous, I've posted my home address on line, including here. My email address is also all over the place. I have yet to see any repercussions from posting unpopular views, including making fun at all the SJWs and other worry-warts who say that if someone gets your address you'll be doxxed.

      Try doing it in real life. I've received threats. I only reported them to police on one occasion, where I knew the person who was on the other end of the line making the threats, and they were really steamed. Reporting that sort of thing effectively neutralizes the threat, because if something then happens ...

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  13. Not when they are all rooted it isn't by shaitand · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "(On the other hand, it's worth pointing out that there are now free encryption-centric apps for voice and text communication that give ordinary people privacy options, and both unlocked phones and inexpensive data plans are far closer to the American norm than they were a few years ago.)"

    Mobile phones are rooted by both the carrier and/or your employer and provide a direct backdoor to the government. There is absolutely no security/privacy on a mobile phone. There isn't much point in encrypting your voice/text when they have the key.

  14. Re:Comment sections being banned to suppress disse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup. Ironic, no? "Free speech is in danger, but people were posting things we don't agree with, so we have to silence everyone in response. That's not hypocrisy, that's social justice."

    So true.

  15. Re:Who cares? by kheldan · · Score: 1

    The next big thing will get invented soon.

    What may or may not be happening to the Internet is just a symptom of the bigger socio-political problems here in the U.S., and in the world in general; whoever you are, AC, take off the blinders, put on your glasses if you're that nearsighted, lift your head up, look around you, try to take in the bigger picture, and stop being satisfied with the bread and circuses that you keep being handed to keep you quiet. I won't lie, you'll hate me for making you become aware, but embrace this bit of wisdom: It's always better to know.

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    Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
  16. comments on vice are removed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup. Ironic, no? "Free speech is in danger, but people were posting things we don't agree with, so we have to silence everyone in response. That's not hypocrisy, that's social justice."

  17. "Internet freedom is actively dissolving..." by Unknown74 · · Score: 1

    Duh. You think so? What with every government on earth trying to censor the internet?

  18. How are third-party comment sections affected? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Even if CBC removes its own comment section, how does that affect users of third-party comment sections, such as Reddit, SoylentNews, and Slashdot?

  19. The value of devil's advocacy by tepples · · Score: 1

    As for echo chambers, it's both the nature of the beast (people tend to prefer sites that are compatible with their views), and also a matter of choice.

    At least on Slashdot, I've found that one effective tool against the echo chamber effect is to tactfully present the opposite side, even if it's not the side with which you personally agree.

    1. Re:The value of devil's advocacy by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      You should always have a devil's advocate on every software project. Or better yet, be the devil's advocate - it's more fun and more constructive because then everyone says "what would you do, smartypants?" Keeps the creative juices flowing :-)

      In times past, this important role would have been filled by the court jester or fool.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    2. Re:The value of devil's advocacy by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I think such court jesters would be killed off fairly quickly or otherwise silenced in a lot of real situations but it's a nice touch in fiction, for instance in King Lear where we get most of this from.
      How long would a court jester of that type instead clowns (figuratively not literally) that were "yes men" have lasted with Stalin for instance?
      Still, it's a good metaphor for a software project even though taken from fiction.

    3. Re:The value of devil's advocacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds pompous.

    4. Re: The value of devil's advocacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you don't value your job or do not have one. This kind of charade tends to get you fired very quickly.

    5. Re: The value of devil's advocacy by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Who says it's a charade? If nobody's looking for the flaws in an idea, you're ALL going to be out of a job when the business goes bust. Not every idea should be brought to fruition, and if you can show why, you've saved everyone a bunch of heartache.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    6. Re:The value of devil's advocacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends on the wisdom of the ruler in question and the jesters, and offhand I'd say that you chose the wrongest yardstick by picking Stalin as he sometimes offed the "yes men" because they were too approving, basically. If the jesters make sure that they keep the king from looking like a fool and make the king's enemies sound like fools, bringing up the opposing views is probably quite safe if the king grasps the utility of it.

    7. Re:The value of devil's advocacy by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of one in an autocratic state outside of fiction?
      No?
      Thought so.

      It makes a good story but autocratic rulers tend to react strongly to dissent no matter what the dissenter said yesterday.

  20. Re:Comment sections being banned to suppress disse by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    They did that because of highly racist comments that were getting through the system. Those comments are illegal (hate speech) in Canada, so what were they supposed to do? Do I like it? No. Do I have a solution? Sure - force people to use their real identities on-line, same as they do to letters to the editor or tv and radio interviews. Instead of being cowardly "keyboard warriors", let them stand behind their speech. If you don't value what you said enough to attach your name and reputation to it, why should anyone think it's all that important to read it?

    And for all those "anonymity is a basic principle of the internet", this wasn't always true. Just like people getting all upset about their name and address being posted on the internet, who forget how recently we used to think nothing about receiving an updated book with names, addresses, and phone numbers to every door, and nobody was going "OMG! OMG!"

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  21. The Government and Corporations Have Allies Now by Kunedog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yep, this vid is best explanation I've seen of what's going on:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Of course government and corporations want to control and censor the internet, but lately they've found support and allies among righteous authoritarians who pass themselves off as activists for the oppressed (when all they're really after is power).

    If you ever encounter someone who thinks that only government censorship matters, show them how Reddit once actively opposed things like SOPA and PIPA. Then point out how CISA recently passed without a blip from them, and how they now actively shut down discussion of things like TPP.

    1. Re:The Government and Corporations Have Allies Now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great video. This one was very interesting as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVGk2Od6eQY So, some un-named 3-letter agency gave these girls $50k for a people rating system. Unfucking believable.

    2. Re:The Government and Corporations Have Allies Now by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Reddit's new policies have been such a disaster. Everyone left and moved over to Voat, just like everyone abandoned 4chan after GanerGate censorship and went to 8chan. Usenet use us booming. Oh, wait...

      There are plenty of places to have a racist screaming match, if that's what you want. It's just that the majority prefer something else so popular sites like Reddit respond to that. No one is being censored, as in prevented from speaking, just not invited in to some places. No one has a right to force their way into your house to speak.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  22. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Interesting

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  23. Over-Generalized by mx+b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The real threat here is Millennials. They're an entire generation of people who've deluded themselves into believing that they stand for freedom and openness, yet in practice they're actually among the most virulent perpetrators of censorship and the suppression of free expression.

    If you express an opinion that they dislike, they don't engage in discussion. They just shut you down, typically using a system that's without any sort of an appeal process, or due process of any sort.

    Whoa, bit of an over-generalization there, don't you think? If you want to engage in generational blame, I could also easily blame the baby boomers that currently dominate congressional leadership, and feel the need to regulate things they don't understand (and laugh off the fact they don't understand technology, which always irritates me). The internet started free, and deteriorated into spying and other things under the boomers' watch, you know. Many Millennials only recent gained the ability to run for Senate, for example, and most are not even eligible to run for President. The generation hasn't even had an opportunity to contribute to governance much yet, and you already blame them?

    Really, the issue is we've gone through a massive cultural shift in the 20ish years since the internet became mainstream. We can talk to people around the world, and learn about cultures and viewpoints we didn't before. We don't need commercial media as much, because my twitter stream shows me real time events in the middle east, for example, and aggregated together, probably much less biased. Just facts. The Internet allows us to seek our own knowledge and not be fully reliant on corporate media. I think what you will see is that a cross-section of people that have used the internet since its early days -- all generations but probably leaning more toward Millennials -- respect this freedom and independence, and want to protect it.

    Meanwhile there seems to be a counter-culture that takes the corporate viewpoint a little too seriously -- some young people too but in my anecdotal experience, tends to be older people, I think because they grew up only having corporate media as single source of news -- and these people use the internet as a way to stay attached to people like them. Like-minded viewpoints. I have had the misfortune of stumbling across some of these on a number of social websites; they are groups for hate and fear-mongering. Where a person used to be the weirdo in town, now they can talk to other weirdos and pump themselves up and pretend they are majorities. It is these people that shut down all dissent and disagreeing viewpoints. They want to live in their own bubble; they are "proud conservatives that watch Fox News" for example, and seem to be proud of the fact that they stay in their bubble. I am not a fan of the current Republican candidates, but I still watch their debates because I want to know more about the viewpoints. There are those that refuse to hear anything outside of their viewpoint, and it really weirds me out.

    So what we have is a cultural war -- do we see the internet as stay free, open, independent, allowing anyone to become a contributor and not just a bystander? Or do we see the internet as a way of segregating ourselves from other conflicting viewpoints? Really, this came about because of the rapid shift of computers and the internet and really the globalization of the economy. Our culture changed so quickly that I don't think everyone has caught up yet, and there's disagreement about how we should feel about the rapid shift..

    If you agree with me, and the internet should stay free and independent, then it is our responsibility to speak up. Government in this country is still the people and laws -- if current representatives don't hear your pleas, start running for office yourself. Doesn't strictly have to be the US congress either; run for state congress, or even county-level or city-council. Mayors and county executives wield a large amount of power but we tend to ignore them. If you aren't willing to try something, then I don't believe you get to have much room to complain about government.

    1. Re:Over-Generalized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no facts — only interpretations.

  24. Crocodile Tears for Internet Freedom from Vioe by Kunedog · · Score: 1

    There's a third evil force (which I'm sure government and corporations are overjoyed about) pushing as hard as they can for censorship:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    A huge activist arm of the tech news media has, especially over the last year and a half, been to happy portay criticism and disagreement as "harassment" and "threats" as an excuse to censor and stifle discussion of the "wrong" opinions, especially about politics or lapses in their own journalistic ethics.

    Motherboard Vice (the site linked in the summary) itself hypocritically silenced the masses by wiping out its own comments section, ensuring only themselves and approved plebians will have a voice on their site. Mad about too many readers fact-checking your insulting, baseless, click-bait articles? Problem solved. And now they have the gall to bemoan a loss of internet freedom? How come we didn't get a story posted about that, Slashdot?

  25. Re:Maybe a little overreaction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Specifically, there's no mention of any particular freedom that is less doable today than it was in the past.

    Try defending video games from charges of sexism.

  26. For Example: Vice's Own Comment Sections by Kunedog · · Score: 1

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak...

    Vice are Grade-A hypocrites, perfectly happy to support internet censorship as long as they get to be the censors.

  27. Don't trust! by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    Any encryption software that you can buy is very likely to be government created or compromised by the government. If you want real security you'll have to be somewhat creative in how you accomplish it. I also want to know why bank software disallows really good passwords. You would think that banks would be eager to have customers with seriously, strong passwords or pass phrases. It is almost like they want to be hacked.

  28. Re:Comment sections being banned to suppress disse by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    "Do I like it? No. Do I have a solution? Sure - force people to use their real identities on-line, same as they do to letters to the editor or tv and radio interviews."

    There are some nasty people online. Flame wars can get out of hand. I've seen things turn bad. I've seen an over-the-top feminist who contacted an opponent's employer to falsely accuse him of harassment and advocating for legalisation of rape in an attempt to get him fired. I've seen a super-patriotic flag-waver who was filled with such a powerful loathing for anyone who opposed his political views that he once created a whole website in the name of an opponent in which he advocated sex with children and the abolition of age of consent laws in an attempt to discredit them. There have been numerous instances of people falsely making police calls claiming there is a shooting in progress in order to trigger a SWAT team attack upon someone's home over things as trivial as losing in an online game. You would have to be foolish indeed to reveal your real name when there are people like that on the internet.

  29. And he even forgets one main issue by joppeknol · · Score: 2

    Internet freedom is indeed dissolving. If you use the internet, you're at an increasing risk to catch malware. If your computer is infected you don't have any freedom at all. You are at risk of losing your money on the bank. You're at risk of losing your valuable personal data or your identity being abused. In all cases you are bombarded with ant-virus advertisements which may of may not be fake. Your computer might also be used in all kinds of illegal activities designed to hurt others. Also, if you buy from legit-looking webshops, it turns out that your cash disappears and your goods are never delivered, even though you might intuitively think that it can be traced, because everything is 'digital'.

    Unless you're a slashdot nerd, you don't have the knowledge to effectively defend against it.

    I think the average person has much more to lose from these than from the NSA looking at his data-streams (not that I don't have problems with uncontrolled monitoring). If you feel concerned about eroding freedom on internet, you should at least address this issue as well. It also has as extra advantage that you take the wind out of the 'security by more control' arguments

  30. America is a fascist state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why even bother mentioning this. It is the least of the problems in the US regime. Of course there will be a negative impression on internet freedom in an undemocratic country that tortures people, holds them without trial, bombs one country after another, imposes random sanctions against other countries, allows politicians to be bought, conducts summary executions with drones, ... America has the most utterly corrupt and contemptible system of governance. The whole political system is geared towards allowing only bought influence of massive and corrupt corporations, banks, and military systems manufacturers. Democracy will never be possible in America, without very substantial constitutional reforms. There are also now other even more worrying trends, like religious fanaticism in the 'republican' party, and a substantial increase in the number of US apparatchiks that appear to be sociopathic, for example, Hillary Clinton. Altogether, I can't think of a reasonably developed country that is in much worse shape, from the point of view of governance, or corruption.

  31. You're a punk pisspot coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject motherfucker? Quit downmodding my posts & I wouldn't do it more than once http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... like you have the last time I posted this very reply to a piece of NO BALLS "Ne'er-do-well" do nothing SHIT LIKE YOU FUCKWAD!

    (& you fucks don't prove me wrong either on hosts... hence you're STUPID transparent WEAK little 'out' you spewed fuckwad!)

    YOU LITTLE FUCK, GET THIS & GET IT GOOD MOTHERFUCKER:

    I'd knock your FUCKING TEETH OUT if you in front of me you little unidentifiable coward punk.

    Fact: YOU'RE A DO NOTHING TALKER MOTHERFUCKER!

    (Whereas by way of comparison to myself? Hey - I'm actually out building something that's BETTER than any of your stupid Open SORES fuck talkers around here have... fact you "ne'er-do-well" little fucking BITCH!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Face facts, you little fuck - you haven't got the BALLS to post using your registered LOSER account when posting to me you little BITCH... it says it ALL about you fuckface punk that you are... apk

  32. You've seen their lack of results tepples by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Same as on /. in admitting impersonating & trolling me but not proving me validly technically wrong.

    * I can honestly tell you that they're doing me a favor in their constant FAILS vs. myself & such reprehensible behavior: They're helping to prove me right even moreso!

    These 'wannabe geeks' are pitiful & judging by their BITCH liek antics? They're frustrated into childish bullshit when they can't get the best of me (& I guarantee it was some douchebag I've totally dusted before, guaranteed - his 'ego' in being smoked in the 1 THING he thought he was 'good in' (for once, lol) destroyed his mind: Normal folks do NOT pull the crap the weasel(s) do to me here OR on your site!)

    My guess? They don't like being shown their "know-how" is nothing more than "by rote" bs they read & spit back out minus THINKING IT OVER CRITICALLY!

    (... & when confronted with something new, they're dumbstruck or come up with the STUPIDEST easily blown away by myself crap I've ever seen... pitiful! You're better off just giving up than trying to take me on in this area especially... I've outthought & outsmarted FAR BETTER than troll around this website over time, that's certain!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Makes me feel good that when all idiots have is their crap instead of valid material to get the best of me with (nothing to that effect)... apk

    1. Re:You've seen their lack of results tepples by tepples · · Score: 1

      Normal folks do NOT pull the crap the weasel(s) do to me here OR on your site!

      I apologize for how the other user on Pin Eight handled your unconventional posting style. I did put all your posts back into the talk page because I'm interested only in the facts.

  33. Re:You're a punk pisspot true coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    P.S.=> Face facts, you little fuck - you haven't got the BALLS to post using your registered LOSER account when posting to me you little BITCH... it says it ALL about you fuckface punk that you are... ak

    So says the Anonymous Coward himself.

  34. Re:Maybe a little overreaction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's also worth keeping in mind that the definition of broadband was updated recently, raising the bar for what is considered broadband. This could easily cause a perceived drop in broadband adoption.

  35. Re:Who cares? by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

    Is that you Ted Kaczynski?

    --
    The new right fascists are bilingual. They speak English and Bullshit.
  36. Barb YOU are a fucking liar... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Who started what with whom here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... I made you EAT YOUR WORDS for it & you started trolling me you twisted mental case weirdo "TrAnZteStiCLe" whacko!

    SIMPLY BECAUSE I PROVED YOU WRONG ON USB STUFF!

    Your "butthurt" reaction @ my proving your dumb ass wrong there?

    You tried saying "APK NEVER WORKED IN THE INDUSTRY" & I've done it LONGER & BETTER than a mentalcase weirdo (admitted no less that you are nuts to me) like you has or ever will...

    You also FAILED in trying to say I said "hosts cure anything" (more or less on YOUR part) & when I challenged you to prove I said that even once? YOU FUCKING RAN... why?? I never once have.

    Christ, you are a FUCKING LOSER... I let bygones be bygones but you're STILL talking behind my back? I suspect you're the fucking freak unidentifiable ac trolling me constantly.

    Look: It's not MY FAULT you're a failure in all things in this life (including being a man, because you surely act like a little bitch & are literally TRYING TO BE ONE, failing that too, weirdo!).

    APK

    P.S.=> Cripes, for the hell of it, I was TRYING to be nice to you while I scanned your post history, posting a few cool things to you you SNEAKY talking behind my back motherfucking LOONO that you are (sex change? You are FUCKED UP TO THE MAX, even telling me you are literally crazy... well, now I KNOW you fucking are asshole)... apk

    1. Re:Barb YOU are a fucking liar... apk by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Jeez, who p*ssed in your cornflakes this morning? Nobody's talking against you behind your back. I was DEFENDING your right to post what you want. Hence the "unmoderated speech works". I only pointed out our past fights as a counter-example to the claim that slashdot deletes posts, because that's the example that I'm familiar with. If people don't like it, all they have to do is ignore it, same as with ads, tv commercials, politicians going blah blah blah.

      And yes, feel free to insult me for what I am - it doesn't bother me, and if it makes you feel good ... after all, no harm, no foul. :-)

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  37. Psychoclops Cyclops BarbaraHudson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're adblind? YOU'RE MISSING AN EYE psychoclops as well as a sane brain (you've admitted you're literally insane to me and yes I believe it) and SICKO?

    You literally TOLD OTHERS to stalk and harass ME with YOU lunatic weirdo http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> Don't fucking TRY "play saint" you fucking lying motherfucker asshole sicko... I'll bust your ass for it EVERY TIME you lying gossiping talk behind everyone's back asshole... I've a good mind to hunt you down and bust your fucking face now... apk

    1. Re:Psychoclops Cyclops BarbaraHudson by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Having PTSD is not the same as being insane. But you already know that ... :-)

      But if you want to "hunt me down and bust my face," come on up. I've posted my address here, and I can't stop you. Just like I can't stop you from taking offense where none was meant. (I've gotten to that point in my life where anything anyone says about me just doesn't matter all that much any more, so I'm replying more as a courtesy to those who are wondering WT* is going on here than anything else). It's the Internet - who cares any more?

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  38. Barb the liar says he/she doesn't post ac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: You SAY you don't stalk others by ac posts? You say differently here http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    * YOU PITIFUL SICK IN THE HEAD FUCKING PSYCHO LIAR!

    APK

    P.S.=> You're a fucking whackjob & maybe it's time to come to Canada and bust your fucking head in finally... apk

    1. Re:Barb the liar says he/she doesn't post ac by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The word "doesn't" is present tense. When was the last time I posted AC? Years ago. If you follow the links, it was May 10th, 2010. That's more than 5 years ago. And then it was only because "what's good for the goose is good for the gander," as I pointed out. So I would just ask you, why do you continue to post AC if you feel it's so morally wrong for others to do so?

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  39. BarbaraHudson Frank N. Furter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Not only is he/she a fruitcake but ADMITS being a mental case http://slashdot.org/journal/15...

    Barbara/Tom Hudson's PORTRAIT http://images2.wikia.nocookie....

    LMAO!

    APK

    P.S.=> Don't talk behind my back again AND LIE you fucking whacko... but, that's what YOU do now don't you? Proud of starting trouble on /. too you fucking sick freak -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Know what, asshole? One day in the future, I'm going to pay YOU A FUCKING PERSONAL VISIT and bust your fucking face... promise... apk

    1. Re:BarbaraHudson Frank N. Furter by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      (sigh) Promises, promises ... how you really do go on.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  40. Merely showing my side via YOUR actions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: So was the fellow you're replying to (defending me, maybe better than I can in a way). IF you're still up to AC stalking/bugging me? I ask that you stop... that's all.

    (After all - I'm merely acting on your words from the past, quoted or linked to)

    Barb? Honestly?? I'm not TRYING to insult you - I'm merely pointing out your admission of mental issues, & yes, your sex stuff... which I could care less about on the latter (which I've told you before & yes, we're all 'crazy' to a degree... I call it being 'individual' & fuck others that don't like it) - personally? If it makes you happy?? Fuck everyone else & if you're right - knock the fuck out of them in kind.

    (That's all that was - to show you how it feels as a reminder... I know it's not pleasant, I've been on the receiving end of bs slashdot has allowed (& left it online) calling me a pedo & worse (which I AM NOT)... that is going to end too shortly, trust me)

    APK

    P.S.=> Nobody pissed in my cereal - they tried pissing on me & continue to do so... this is going to come to a halt soon + has been looked into LONG ago & not by myself only, mark my words... apk

    1. Re:Merely showing my side via YOUR actions by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      How is saying this ...

      And I've been known to change my views or admit I was wrong on-line. It's no big deal - it's just the internet. As an example, we're no longer fighting because there's more to life, he's an okay guy on other topics, and what the heck, if you don't like it, just don't browse at -1 :-)

      .... any sort of insult?

      And if you go up-thread, you'll see that I was responding to someone who had already mentioned you. I did not "drag you into this" or "stab you in the back." I've already said I'm sorry if you took it that way, but I don't see how saying you're an okay guy on other topics is an attack on you.

      I think you jumped the gun on this one.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  41. Barb, apparently unlike you? I care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: It's called PRIDE Barb & my rep. On what I said in anger? Hey - I don't act on it, never do (unless physically attacked & those fucks always get literally knocked out, I live it in a rotten area that's gone to shit in 20 years - I want out. My hosts project? Potential way out (adblock shows it)... pipedream? Maybe - but as Matt Damon said "The world series of poker has a million bucks on it... does it have my name on it? I don't know - but I'm gonna find out"), I let you & those LIKE you, do yourselves in. I ask it stop.

    That's all.

    APK

    P.S.=> Barb, there are OTHER WAYS to handle people doing what you've said (stalk me by ac posts) & that's been well underway for a LONG TIME now (so you know, fairly)... I ask, again for the 4th time, stop IF you're @ it again (& not telling others WHO STARTED IT, you, libeling me? Come on... you were wrong bigtime, but telling others I do 'wrong' defending myself vs. b.s. from YOU & OTHERS (possible sockpuppets??) no way... I don't sit there & take it, I do something about it... it's MY life & rep on the line & to me? THAT IS EVERYTHING & you're nothing minus it)... apk

    1. Re:Barb, apparently unlike you? I care by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      I am not "at it again", and I have no reason to do so. People must have thought I had a screw loose to even dare to write this about you, or assumed my account was hacked:

      And I've been known to change my views or admit I was wrong on-line. It's no big deal - it's just the internet. As an example, we're no longer fighting because there's more to life, he's an okay guy on other topics, and what the heck, if you don't like it, just don't browse at -1 :-)

      Really, re-read the original thread, which was about censorship, and how the person I was replying to chose you as someone they believed so much that your comments should be deleted that they claimed that slashdot WAS deleting them. If you have an axe to grind with anyone today, it's that poster, not me.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  42. Last I have to say fairly, is here... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> Why post ac? I'm freer from tracking & all else than any of your slaves to javascript + cookies (not hack/crack either, completely legit & anyone can do it IF they know what they're doing is all), & I am out helping others via it... are you? I ask that IF you're still up to your old tricks, it's best for you (& me) + everyone here that you stop... apk

    1. Re:Last I have to say fairly, is here... apk by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Here's the thing - I don't care who tracks me, what they know or think they know about me, or whatever. Advertising can inform me of products but it can't make me buy them. Research first :-) As for the government, I don't care what they know about me - they certainly have my education, work history, medical files, etc. So what? I just don't feel threatened by it. It's different north of the border.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  43. That was yesterday in disgust & anger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THIS IS NOW (that was then, this IS now) http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Last I have to say, & I'll honor it... will you? Your words showed otherwise... if you're up to your old tricks?? I fairly ask, you stop (& tell the truth as to who started what & where - "'twas your past that disarmed you mondego")

    APK

    P.S.=> That's all... have a nice day (unless you replied elsewhere, this is my reply to them all)... apk

    1. Re:That was yesterday in disgust & anger by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Again, I did not "start anything." It was a thread about censorship of blogs, and someone else brought you up as someone they were sure has had posts deleted because of you repetitious hosts file postings. I used our previous differences as an example of how posts are not deleted. And then I even wrote that you're an ok guy in other areas. That is not attacking you, but again, if you took it that way, I'm sorry I wasn't clearer. I wasn't attacking you yesterday, last week, last month, last year ... and I don't have any interest in doing so in the future. As I wrote, this is the Internet ... nothing posted online is all that important :-)

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  44. Tell the entire truth... apok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: He also said my posts help gratis (which I am FREE to post, no law broken, especially if almostalladsblock fans do - I inform them of a FAR superior method is all on many levels)

    Censorship.this place? For ALL of its "freedom of speech" b.s. SJW's etc.?? They're the WORST ABUSERS via downmods!

    (all I EVER ASKED is those here who are my 'naysayer detractors' is prove me wrong - I'm using them to HELP me by finding weakspot objections I must overcome but they rarely, if EVER, do on PRACTICAL things that matter (only real weaknesses hosts are BGP which I've admitted & was +5 upmodded for, + ads served on the same site (not practical which is why it's not seen: admen don't trust websites & I don't BLAME them.. I do for negligence on openbid ads that EXPLODED threats on us, & I know... it's gotten 10x as bad in 2-3 yrs time which I see in my daily blocking datagathers). I am doing something about it. Not for altruism (there is none, not really, even if it 'makes you feel good', it's selfish) purely. I know it's right - those here help me PROVE it.

    ASK TEPPLES ABOUT IT BARB - he's even put up a site where others can TRY 'take me down'... like here? NOBODY can! I won't allow it.

    DOWNMODS minus validly proving me wrong? Censorship & I'm not dumb - I am fairly SURE who's doing it (adblock for sure, I did so on their forums... they deleted my posts on hosts)... there you go. Want proof? I'll provide it. Unlike you.

    Matt Damon barb the world series of poker in "Rounders" as my background's NOT much different than his there, just another ballcourt (this one tech). Adblock can? So can I w/ better something you have natively that does far more for far less - & even cleaner than a firewall since it has to LAYER IN FILTERING DRIVERS, where hosts don't. Pipedream?? We'll see.

    BE OF SERVICE TO OTHERS (helps like YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE) & it does pay.

    APK

    P.S.=> Barb, PROVE I do it... I can with you & have via your word... apk

  45. Again: Tell the ENTIRE truth, not partial...apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: He also said my posts help gratis (which I am FREE to post, no law broken, especially if almostalladsblock fans do - I inform a FAR superior method on many levels). He sees downmods of my posts.

    Censorship.this place? For ALL of its "freedom of speech" b.s. SJW's etc.?? They're the WORST ABUSERS via downmods!

    (all I EVER ASKED is those here who are my 'naysayer detractors' is prove me wrong - I'm using them to HELP me by finding weakspot objections I must overcome but they rarely, if EVER, do on PRACTICAL things that matter (only real weaknesses hosts are BGP which I've admitted & was +5 upmodded for, + ads served on the same site (not practical which is why it's not seen: admen don't trust websites & I don't BLAME them.. I do for negligence on openbid ads that EXPLODED threats on us, & I know... it's gotten 10x as bad in 2-3 yrs time which I see in my daily blocking datagathers). I am doing something about it. Not for altruism (there is none, not really, even if it 'makes you feel good', it's selfish) purely. I know it's right - those here help me PROVE it.

    ASK TEPPLES ABOUT IT BARB - he's even put up a site where others can TRY 'take me down'... like here? NOBODY can! I won't allow it.

    DOWNMODS minus validly proving me wrong? Censorship & I'm not dumb - I am fairly SURE who's doing it (adblock for sure, I did so on their forums... they deleted my posts on hosts)... there you go. Want proof? I'll provide it. Unlike you.

    Matt Damon barb the world series of poker in "Rounders" as my background's NOT much different than his there, just another ballcourt (this one tech). Adblock can? So can I w/ better something you have natively that does far more for far less - & even cleaner than a firewall since it has to LAYER IN FILTERING DRIVERS, where hosts don't. Pipedream?? We'll see.

    BE OF SERVICE TO OTHERS (helps like YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE) & it does pay.

    APK

    P.S.=> Barb, PROVE I do it... I can with you & have via your word... apk

    1. Re:Again: Tell the ENTIRE truth, not partial...apk by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Downmods aren't censorship, not really. The posts are still there, visible for all the world to see if they want to browse at -1, where a lot of the good stuff ends up, at least temporarily. And I've had my run-ins with SJWs, both here and elsewhere, as well as the gay white mafia who think that if you don't toe the LGBT community line you're hurting the "community" - a community that doesn't really understand transsexuals and many of them think transsexuals and cross-dressers are the same thing.

      I don't know what adblock does on their forums. If they're deleting your posts there, that's between you and them. My comments were solely directed to the commentator who wrongfully claimed that your posts here had been deleted. Depending on the forum, deleting posts based on particular criteria may be warranted. Take any forum that caters to the general public - people would expect that posts that promote discrimination and.or hatred against a particular person or group based on an immutable characteristic (color, ethnic origin, etc) would earn a smackdown if it were particularly egregious, whereas a forum such as slashdot you wouldn't expect posts to be deleted.

      Each site is different, and people are free to choose which ones they participate in - choice is good :-)

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  46. Censorship & downmods... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: He said my posts help gratis (& I am FREE to post, no law broken, & if almostalladsblock fans do I can - I inform a FAR superior method). He sees downmods of my posts. Adblock deleted my posts on THEIR forums (they are losing & it proves it). Palant RAN by email: 2x 2 diff accounts I use.

    Censorship here? Same. For ALL of its "freedom of speech" b.s. SJW's etc.? WORST ABUSERS via downmods!

    (all I EVER ASKED is those who are my 'naysayer detractors' is prove me wrong - I'm using them to HELP me by finding weakspot objections I must overcome but they rarely if EVER on PRACTICAL things that matter (only real weaknesses hosts are BGP which I've admitted & was +5 upmodded for, + ads served on the same site (not practical which is why it's not seen: admen don't trust websites & I don't BLAME them. I do for negligence on openbid ads that EXPLODED threats on us & I know it's gotten 10x as bad in 2-3 yrs time which I see in my daily blocking datagathers).

    I do something about it. Not for altruism (there is none, not really, even if it 'makes you feel good', it's selfish) purely. I know it's right - those here help me PROVE it.

    ASK TEPPLES BARB - he put up a site where others can 'take me down' & like here? NOBODY can! I won't allow it.

    DOWNMODS minus validly proving me wrong? Censorship & I'm not dumb - I am fairly SURE who's doing it (adblock for sure, I did so on their forums: They deleted my posts on hosts)... there you go. Want proof? I'll provide it. Unlike you.

    Matt Damon barb the world series of poker in "Rounders" as my background's NOT much different than his there, just another ballcourt (this one tech). Adblock can? So can I w/ better something you have natively that does far more for far less - & even cleaner than a firewall since it has to LAYER IN FILTERING DRIVERS, where hosts don't. Pipedream?? We'll see.

    BE OF SERVICE (helps like YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE) & it pays.

    APK

    P.S.=> I have work to do, see ya... apk

    1. Re:Censorship & downmods... apk by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The internet will always find a way to route around damage - and both censorship and ubiquitous tracking are damage. I have no problem with sites that raise a little bit with ads that don't suck, don't suck bandwidth, and don't suck by assuming if I see the same add 1,000 times I'll be more likely to check them out.

      Oh well, med side effects kicking in, gotta go lie down for a bit.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  47. I do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Our entire WORLD society's gravitating in that direction, can't you see it? It's not for our good Barb, trust me. Just like the NSA's system "stopped 54 crimes" which was COMPLETE SHIT & hugely inflated... save the children, appeal to fundamental emotions... admen use it ALL DAY LONG & see subject.

    You ought to care. For yourself. For others you care for especially (you have kids), etc. & just for doing the right thing.

    APK

    P.S.=> We're different here - I can't afford to let it happen, I have a goal I am intending to see thru & so far, SO good + it's happened for me before (except THIS time? I'm not after the corner store... I'm after the GOOGLE, MS, AMAZON bank (JUST LIKE ADBLOCK & THEY TOOK THE GOLD VS. THE LEAD) who are fucking us with malware & not doing a DAMN THING about it despite lip service - even buying up & crippling adblock + ghostery being used for data to inform them (not so much to protect you, that's bullshit imo)... I see it Barb, & have the data to back it) - I'm no saint either, I know that's a byproduct of my goals though like being of service to others USUALLY is:

    You even said it more or less: We took this career to better our lives doing what we love & understand... apk

  48. Why'd the ac you spoke to say different? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Are you saying HE didn't think they were deleted? Admen KNOW how to work forums (sliding etc.) & want proof of their nefarious bs from someone championing them too?

    OK, read (on "optional uncrippling" in AlmostALLAdsBlocked the souled-out one EVERYONE knows about now) ->

    "majority of users are never going to change the ad blocker settings" - http://lauren.vortex.com/archi...

    Admen KNOW it!

    There's your proof, & I always provide it (sometimes stronger than others, but deceit from the deceitful (admen 1/2 truths)? HARD to ferret out!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Prove me wrong - tepples sees it as I do here even putting up a site to DISPROVE me validly & nobody has like here too & yes, they admit impersonating me there (doing it here) AND my posts were deleted too (like here or what seems thus) https://pineight.com/mw/index.... - need more? Ask... apk

    1. Re:Why'd the ac you spoke to say different? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      No, he thought they WERE deleted, and I said slashdot doesn't do that. Easy enough if you look up-thread.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  49. Neither did I & held off... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I've got NO problem w/ sites making a buck, never did & held off releasing my program (ready in 2003 in GUI, no errtraps + filters) in "1 moving part" GUI... was 3 separate parts before it for personal use in Pascal tty/charmode/DOS app only (faster by 10x too, no messagepassing overheads in GUI).

    HOWEVER - not after the 'famed "malware explosion"' circa 2004-current as it's referred to more or less sometimes... & again, I see it daily Barb. I track & use the data from reputable security sites for it (10 for users, 15 for myself).

    I held off until shortly before I released it publicly in 2012 (which was a stumbling block w/ my Malwarebytes employee hoster, who WOULD NOT DO SO until I showed him my code in early AND current versions to dispel 'naysayers' who harangued him on his site (& I'm not dumb - it's to remove his hosting my work - he knows it, I've proven it by showing like I had with you WHO STARTED WHAT & WHY via their OWN words trolling me).

    The undoing of my naysayer detractors is, I am 50 moves in advance knowing them MAYBE better than they know themselves... just like I showed you proof http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ADMEN KNOW USERS WON'T MOSTLY ALTER ITS SETTINGS letting adblock's "payoff list" thru... which I do myself, filtering off harming security, antivirus, search engines & FAR MORE largely travelled sites vs. false positives... but I didn't take a bribe to do it. I did it gratis as it's the RIGHT thing to do, & users can always add their own entries after filtering.

    Lastly - for saavy users? Yes, you're right - we can "work it" but the ac you replied to thinking my posts were deleted?? Can't... they've forums slid deceived (& my detractor opponents know it too & yes, I am not stupid - they're admen, webmasters, inferior competitors profiting... malware makers? Less so, they just 'make more doritos' & could give 2 shits).

    APK

    P.S.=> Rounders Barb... see that one too if you haven't, especially it's ending... not a LOT different than what I am up to... To Google, MS, Amazon TEDDY KGB's out there?

    "You feelin' satisfied NOW Teddy? Cuz I can go on 'bustin' you up' ALL nite..." apk

  50. That's what I said Barb (think/thought) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & my last post you replied to... Easy enough if you look up-thread!

    APK