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Russia Cancels All Moon Missions Till 2025 (sputniknews.com)
schwit1 writes: Faced with a shrinking budget and poor economic conditions, Russia has once again trimmed back its proposed ten-year space plan for the next decade in space, canceling all Moon missions until after 2025. Russian might now have a giant government-run aerospace corporation, but flying space missions is not really its primary task. Like all government agencies divorced from profit and loss, its primary task is really to provide pork barrel jobs, regardless of whether those jobs do anything useful or not. Thus, Russia will have a very expensive space program for the next decade, but the money spent will not accomplish much of anything new.
Nice unbiased "story". It's always fun to read the editorials at Slashdot.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
Or least they would have if they put any people on their N1s.
Why not split the effort with China? One make the launch vehicle(s) and the other the crew capsule and lander?
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Thus, Russia will have a very expensive space program for the next decade, but the money spent will not accomplish much of anything new.
So, just like the U.S. then?
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
Not that the Russian government isn't incredibly corrupt and wasteful, but this is actually probably what you'd want to do. If your economy is tanking, you'd want to continue to put *some* money into aerospace for as long as you could to retain talent and prevent you from having to rebuild it from the ground up later. Maybe not enough to do big ambitious projects, but you'd want aerospace on "idle" for when (hopefully) the economy improves.
I mean, NASA stopped building big rockets that went to the moon and "just" went into low earth orbit for a few decades, and they're *still* basically back at square one when it comes to building Saturn V-sized engines. Imagine if aerospace had been completely shut down.
Russia has decided that a manned space missions aren't worth the cost and risk.
Not much point, really, of going to the moon unless we're going to establish a lunar colony. And odds are asteroid mining is a better investment anyways.
Though it would be nice to be able to go to the moon, if we so choose. And there's probably value in inspiration, too.
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I think you mean til or 'til. If they had a till they could collect money. Which should be simple since people are just lining up to pay for moon rocks, right?
You can see from my commenting history that I have no love for Russia, but that summary... what are you trying to pull?
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
On the other hand, the point of this "pork barrel" may be to maintain an aerospace skills base and industrial capability. This is what defence R&D budgets are for and it's why so many pointless systems are paid for and then discarded by the military. A military industrial base in a vital interest.
Do we really need the juvenile editorializing like you did in the line below?
"Like all government agencies divorced from profit and loss, its primary task is really to provide pork barrel jobs, regardless of whether those jobs do anything useful or not."
Really? REALLY? Grow up and get some street smarts. The real world is far different than what you state above.
Stick to the news until you have a clue how the real world works. Is there waste and port barrel jobs in government? Absolutely. But that's the primary task of all government agencies? Jeesh. /. out to require a basic understanding of high school civics to avoid your kind of childish, pollyanna thinking.
And meanwhile, the OP ought to spend some time around the countless government agencies and people who work very hard and succeed in making all of our lives better. It would be a real eye-opener.
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Faced with a shrinking budget and poor economic conditions, . . .
This can't be right. Every Russian troll everywhere will tell you there is nothing wrong in Russia. The sanctions on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine and theft of Crimea are having no effect. Everything is fine.
Yet these same trolls can't explain why their banks keep failing, why their biggest quasi-bank, VEB, needs $13 billion to keep itself afloat, why every other week another article comes out, such as this one, saying more and more programs are getting cut or eliminated, why pensioners are having their money allowance reduced, or why, based on current projections, Russia will run out of money before the end of 2016.
Corrupt fascist oligarchs such as Putin will tend to have this effect on a country, especially when the mothers of the Russian soldiers killed invading Ukraine are not allowed to talk about their son's deaths because deaths of soldiers during "peace time" are state secrets.
The longer Russia keeps invading and attacking its neighbors, the more it keeps trying to bully its neighbors, the longer sanctions will stay. The trolls can whine all they want about the sanctions not having any effect, but the louder they squeal the more one knows they're hurting.
There's a reason former Soviet bloc countries have embraced the freedoms of the West rather than the repression of Soviet Russia. They know all too well the indignities and injustice served upon them by Russia. Witness the deportations of Tartars from Crimea, the daily raids on Tartar homes to see if there is any "subversive" material, the refusal by the Russians to allow Tartars to speak their own language or have their own schools.
Russia will suffer until it either dies or changes. Unfortunately the Russian people are too stupid to make change happen.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Like all government agencies divorced from profit and loss, its primary task is really to provide pork barrel jobs, regardless of whether those jobs do anything useful or not.
Isn't it a bit early to audition for a job with the Trump administration?
Believe it or not, there are LOTS of Russians interested in doing some real science. So I don’t know maybe some people working there will do other useful research with the budget they have? Just a wild thought.
That being said, they don’t have the same freedoms there as we have in other major European nations, North America, etc. There may a culture of keeping your head down so you don’t get into trouble. It’s not as bad as during the Soviet era, but it’s not awesome either. The oppression is likely to interfere with the science that some are willing to dabble in.
in soviet russia we moon you!
Accomplishing this would entail the development of new technology, and that experience would perhaps enable the Indian government to tackle, at long last, the problem of providing toilets to the more than 500 million Indian citizens who lack such facility.
I hate Putin, but the links in this story do not support its conclusion. What is the total budget for Russian space program? What other missions are planned? Has anyone quantified waste versus useful work?
It could be that moon is just not the most scientifically or commercially important target right now and they are focusing on more interesting missions. Obama reached the same conclusion a few years back while INCREASING total NASA budget to focus on Mars exploration.
It's not a cost problem, they found the
I'm also cancelling all my purchases of Italian supercars until 2025 due to budget constraints.
There's no story here folks. Russia is still flying designs from the late 60s. Even at the height of the Soviet power they did not manage to build a rocket with enough lift capability to take humans to the moon. They sure as heck can't do this now. Their space exploration has been confined to LEO for more than a decade. Old guard has retired and/or died off, the best and brightest are leaving the country in droves. It can't be done there. Shit, it can barely be done over here.
" Like all government agencies divorced from profit and loss, its primary task is really to provide pork barrel jobs". Like CERN?
I keep hearing this conspiracy theory, but all I ever get are links to conspiracy theory sites run by morons and paranoid schizophrenics.
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Rather than one or two places, it envisions settling the whole Solar System using networks of self-replicating factories.
Zdrastvujtie. Nice to see that Russian paid shills are on their watch,
Only commies (*spit*) would be stupid enough to attempt moon missions, using a publicly funded space program - a ridiculous idea, doomed to failure under government inefficiencies (2025? sure it'd take far more than a decade for such a program to get to the moon...) - whereas our Capitalist space industry got us there almost half a century ago now, and the Profit motive will get us back again any day now - USA! USA! Go 'merkins!
Seems like more garbage US propaganda. Who is actually posting this stuff? Is it linked to the US government, or the agencies that it employs to generate propaganda.
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1. New doesn't mean useful
2. Going to the Moon is not exactly new...
Anyone that has been following the Russian Space (as opposed to just cheerleading it) should not in any way be shocked by this.
Russia funds and fully supports ISIS.
See how easy it is to make baseless accusations with absolutely no proof?
Their wars against Ukraine and in Syria (against who knows whom) cost money, which it does not have. Hoping, the oil will remain at above $100 per barrel, Putin spent years entrenching his own position instead of reforming the country. With the oil below $40, their currency reserves are melting and no relief is forthcoming. As Kennedy put it decades ago about USSR — they are trying to maintain a First World military with a Third World economy...
That such a large country remains so dependent on oil-exports is a crime, for which Putin ought to be flogged — if not smothered with his own pillow. But, thanks to his tight grip on all TV-channels and most newspapers, he remains quite popular.
Don't expect things to improve soon. People like Musk and Bezos will be on the Moon faster than the likes of Putin.
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What the hell is that write-up: Musings of a neoliberal part 451?
I keep hearing this conspiracy theory, but all I ever get are links to conspiracy theory sites
Does a long paper from a Pulitzer-awarded journalist accounts as conspiracy?
Thanks for that! Good reading.
Here's one of the heavily-citationed "conspiracy theory" sites that also does a good job piecing together and presenting the story:
http://stormcloudsgathering.co...
TL;DR: ISIS is doing 'Murrica's work with 'Murrican weapons. They're just the latest in a long chain of manipulated boogeymen. This is really the only practical way to drag democracies into foreign wars to keep the non-Western economies down and keep the US$ propped up as the only currency for the international oil market.
I actually take some comfort in this, because it does a great job explaining how we're #winning.
Pres. Obama set priorities for NASA administrator Charles Boldeen - "... perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math and engineering."
Like all government agencies divorced from profit and loss, its primary task is really to provide pork barrel jobs, regardless of whether those jobs do anything useful or not.
Now that is some quality science.slashdot.org, right there.
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1) It is poor writing to say things like "...government agencies divorced from profit and loss, its primary task is really to provide pork barrel jobs, regardless of whether those jobs do anything useful or not..." in a slashdot post without giving the slightest data-based foundation for such an (obviously biased) statement
2) If the news is true, then it may provide some confirmation for the theory that EU sanctions are actually working, which would be good news. Please note my careful phrasing of this hypothesis.
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The 20 billion dollar budget passed, and then they killed the Orion project. So, they'll never know how to get through those pesky Van Allen Belts! And they just found their virtual reality budget. Because, fooling people's eyes is more important than exploring.
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