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The 3D Printers of CES: Extruders, Nozzles, and Metal Medium (hackaday.com)

szczys writes: It's that time of year again, the Consumer Electronics Show leaks out of every media crevice. Although we've passed peak 3D Printing hype for the general public, the 3D Printer offerings being shown are notable in one way or another. Makerbot continues to flounder with questionable extruders, Lulzbot continues to excel with dual extrusion and by supporting a wide range of print materials, 3D Systems has an uber-expensive direct metal printer, but the entry level printer price floor keeps falling.

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  1. Nozel? by onkelonkel · · Score: 2

    WTF is a nozel

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    1. Re:Nozel? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's what you got milk from when you were a baby :-)

    2. Re: Nozel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      No, that was a nipel.

    3. Re:Nozel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nozel: Derived from nose and nuzzle. The act of nestling, or snuggling up to someone rubbing the tip of the nose against them.

      Source: Urban Dictionary

    4. Re:Nozel? by viking099 · · Score: 2

      It's what a heffalump uses to fend off woozle attacks.

    5. Re: Nozel? by jddj · · Score: 1

      It's a misspelling. Should be "Noz-El", just like Kal-El or Jar-El.

    6. Re:Nozel? by rdwulfe · · Score: 2

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      First thing that came to mind for me. (No. I don't rickroll, don't worry. It's Venture Brothers.)

    7. Re: Nozel? by DanJ_UK · · Score: 0

      Nipple.

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    8. Re: Nozel? by Anomalyst · · Score: 2

      Jar-El.

      So Krpton was raising Gungan Half-breeds?

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    9. Re: Nozel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh.

  2. Re:Nozels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Should stick to the Queen's English: "knosles".

  3. Efficiency by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 3, Funny

    The printers are now so efficient, they only need one z.

  4. Riding the throbbing, veiny trendcock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets get some 3D printed sriracha bacon beer cheese that is delivered by swarm drones. I mixed annoying food trends with annoying tech buzz, because I am the ultimate in god awful pretentious bullshit.

    1. Re:Riding the throbbing, veiny trendcock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you should know better than to suggest things like this as AC, now you won't be able to sue the guy who starts up a business around the idea next month.

  5. Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by mpoulton · · Score: 4, Funny

    The nozel-based printors may be cool new technolligy, but can they print metel with a nozel yet? So far I have only seene plasstec printid via nozel, and metels can only be printid using laisre cintering. It would be a maijer advance in rapped prototaiping if metel objicts could be fabrecaited with an extruzhen-like addetive prawsess. You know, like with a nozel. Whew. That was hard to write.

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    1. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by Rei · · Score: 2

      I believe that iMaterialize has one metal (their lowest cost steel) that is kind of printed by a nozzle - indirectly. They print out steel powder with as little binder as possible to hold it together, sinter it into a porous steel sponge, then fill in the gaps in a subsequent step with molten bronze. Not exactly an at-home process for laypeople. More commonly used is lost-wax casting with the mould being 3d printed - again, not a home process for laypeople. For the really large scale I've seen one system that's basically a robot arm laying down steel with a MIG welder - again, not something for laypeople at home.

      For things that might be workable at home, in addition to laser sintering (and of course, CNC) there's also laser spraying (based on thermal spraying), which is a rather new process, but is almost limitless in what it can print out and produces materials stronger than sintering or casting can. Both of these might be possible at home scales. However, I've never heard of anyone that literally extrudes metals like is done with plastics.

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    2. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So writing this shit is what attorneys do all day.

    3. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by mikael · · Score: 1

      It would be cool if you could print out a desktop PC case that could be assembled as a flat-pack unit. I'd also like to print out a backcover for a MSI gaming laptop so that it doesn't take the removal of seven screws just to add a new SSD. Older laptops used to have little covers for each component that only required a single screw to remove.

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    4. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flat-packed desktop pc case ought to be easy - 3d-printers are good at flat stuff. Design & print all you want!

    5. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by mpoulton · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      So writing this shit is what attorneys do all day.

      Nah, just in the mornings. Afternoons are full of golf with politicians, smoking expensive cigars in private clubs, and drinking scotch with reclusive business magnates.

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    6. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Perhaps wit such a devis yu cud bild a Feersum Endjin?

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    7. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like this: http://imgur.com/a/13KT7

    8. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      It would be cooler to be able to buy it on amazon and have it delivered to your door the next day, faster and less expensive than you can make it yourself, and have it professionally made looking.

    9. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      you do not need "laisre cintering" (or even laser cintering) to print metals (or metels). I've never printed plasstec, but I have printed plastic, wood, bronze and copper with my fused filament printer.

    10. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any links to project pages discussing the printing with bronze or copper in such a fused filament printer? My Google-fu is failing on this topic.

    11. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not exactly pure copper as implied, but https://www.matterhackers.com/store/3d-printer-filament/colorfabb-copperfill-metal-filament-3.00mm1500g might be what was referred to.

    12. Re:Nozels for printing metel, or just plasstec? by Rei · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately most of the 3d printing services out there - while they have quality in spades - are very lacking when it comes to turnaround time. And of course, those processes that require expensive machines (like metal sintering) or those with a lot of labour (like casting or surface finishing) cost them a lot of money too, which they have to pass on in their pricing scheme.

      Getting prices down and reducing the amount of post-print labour to get a quality product are really key to helping 3d printing reach its potential.

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  6. I was hoping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was hoping this story could link to something from motherboard.com

  7. nozel -- nozzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least spell the title of the article correctly.

  8. We've passed peak 3D Printing hype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One can hope. Can we stop with the "game changing", post scarcity, 3D printed cars and houses bullshit now?

    1. Re:We've passed peak 3D Printing hype by avandesande · · Score: 1

      The true power of 3d printing won't be discovered until they become IOT devices.

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  9. Prices by Rei · · Score: 1

    These prices are actually getting... reasonable. But they need to get the quality up to what you can get from online services.

    And of course, what the market really wants is non-plastic printing on a home-scale budget. Some day....

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  10. Why not lost wax? by hey! · · Score: 2

    I've been waiting for 3d printers to get cheap enough to buy for amusement's sake, so I've been watching the low end of the market for one that would be afforable, yet more fun than a PITA. Most of the ones in that sub $500 range print reliably in PLA only; metal is totally out of the question.

    But it makes me wonder -- why not print in some wax-like material instead? That would allow you to do lost-wax casting. If you were making things one-off you could even skip the moulding step and 3d print the model with the "spruing" (channels for molten material) in place. For home use you could make the final product with some kind of low melting point metal. Some fusible alloys melt at less than the boiling point of water; many cooking ovens get hot enough to melt useful lead-free tin/bismuth alloys. You can get tin/bismuth ingots for about $15/pound that melt at roughly the temperature you cook a turkey at -- well above the boiling point of water.

    Is this just something people wouldn't be interested in? Or is there some technical reason it wouldn't be practical?

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    1. Re:Why not lost wax? by bored_engineer · · Score: 1

      I had the same thought recently. Shapeways offers parts printed in wax for casting. I question the value, though, as shipping may well warp waxy materials. There are also others selling materials intended specifically for lost investment casting. Still others thought to see whether PLA could be used directly for lost investment casting with good results. The author at the second link used foam strips, presumably because it's cheap and fast, which 3d printing generally isn't.

    2. Re:Why not lost wax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a company called Shapeways.com that let you design models, upload and sell them. There are probably many others as well.

    3. Re:Why not lost wax? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Interesting, thanks for the link. I still like the idea of using an alloy that can be melted at typical cooking oven temperatures, though -- say 350 degrees. That eliminates having to find a place to run a furnace that will get to 1500 F you need to get your aluminum to so that it'll get to every part of your investment.

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    4. Re:Why not lost wax? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Charcoal, a hair dryer, a crucible and in insulated chimney are all you need to melt aluminum for casting.

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    5. Re:Why not lost wax? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      But it makes me wonder -- why not print in some wax-like material instead?

      Sure---it's called PLA. :)

      There's quite a lot of instructions about lost plastic casting on the internet now. Basically, if you have a device which can melt aluminium, then you have something capable of burning out the PLA from the mould.

      The problem with printing wax like (i.e. lower temperature materials) is that the heat from the stepper extruder itself is enough to soften the filament, which makes extruding it much harder. Only quite specialised extruders can print low temperature stuff reliably.

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    6. Re:Why not lost wax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> But it makes me wonder -- why not print in some wax-like material instead?
      > Sure---it's called PLA. :)

      Okay, I installed the programmable logic array on my 3D printer... now how do I make it print wax-like material..?

    7. Re:Why not lost wax? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Okay, I installed the programmable logic array on my 3D printer... now how do I make it print wax-like material..

      Well, now you need to load up the printer with a reel of polylacticacid plastic.

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    8. Re:Why not lost wax? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Public Library Association and People's Liberation Army will not be pleased!

  11. Re:Nozels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Knouslies.

  12. The Nozels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's like the Nobel Prize but for 3D printing.

  13. Lost wax and lost PLA by dmoen · · Score: 2

    One of the hackers at my makerspace has successfully used lost-PLA casting to cast steel. The result was a functional part used in a battle bot. That's using a standard consumer 3D printer.

    Jewelers have been using 3D printers for lost-wax casting for years; there are specialized 3D printers sold for this.

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    1. Re:Lost wax and lost PLA by gringer · · Score: 1

      You can print stainless steel (mixed with PLA) on an extrusion printer now:

      https://www.lulzbot.com/store/...

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  14. cynic real world translation of article here by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Informative

    it's just plastic.

    makerbots new extruder: makes for "better" reliability. the old one on the 5th gen makerbots(that won best of the year awards at ces based on prints done with previous generation makerbots) was so bad that it would have bankrupted makerbot if stratasys had not bought them a little earlier(I am not kidding, huge consumer returns on the 5th gen line because it did not work reliably). the replicator 1 and 2 extruders were modifiable easily to be much, much, much more reliable. the fallout was so bad that they had to close their consumer support forums. those forums had provided users of previous generations with tips and tricks how to actually make the machines do what they are supposed to do, but due to design and closed source policy with the 5th generation the community was unable to do so.

    ultimakers exchangeabe nozzle: yeah uh, the article says that this is a feature not seen commonly. but in real life, of the cheap sub 1000$ printers, almost all have changeable nozzles apart from cube line or other drm'd in some way or another systems. ultimakers extruder design was an outlier. in fact, even the mentioned makerbot has had changeable nozzles since forever.

    lulzbot has a new dual extruder. they already had a dual extruder that seems pretty much the same in design. who cares.

    the 3d systems laser sintering machine? here's a hint. the lineup of this generation has already 100, 200, and 300 models. just a new model in old line. cool, yes, new technology? no. consumer technology? fuck no.

    nothing noteworthy to consumer was announced. absolutely nothing. none of the extruders are providing anything new. makerbots smart extruder+ is a band aid design change on their already on the market model(ironically still being inferior to their previous generation, while being way more expensive. it has nothing in it to justify the large price tag).

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