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Android-Based Smart TVs Aren't That Smart When You Install Malware On Them (softpedia.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Smart TVs running older versions of the Android operating system are being infected with malware that was specifically built to target smart TVs. Infections occur via applications downloaded from a series of sites ran under the H.TV brand. These are websites that offer applications specifically built for Android smart TVs that allow users to watch TV channels from other regions of the globe. As usual, these apps are side-loaded from unofficial app stores. Fortunately, it's not a smart TV ransomware.

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  1. That's a Plus by sexconker · · Score: 0

    The best thing you can do with a "Smart TV" is dumb the fuck out of it.

    1. Re:That's a Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The best thing you can do with a "Smart TV" is dumb the fuck out of it.

      The best thing you can do with a "new" car you bought with all the bells and whistles is to not use any of them.

      The best thing you can do with a "fast" computer is to never put it online.

      Perhaps next time you could come forth with a technical solution beyond "dumb the fuck out of it", which only makes you look like a moron.

      Just a thought.

    2. Re:That's a Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have yet to find a feature of "Smart" TVs for which I have any use at all.

    3. Re:That's a Plus by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps next time you could come forth with a technical solution beyond "dumb the fuck out of it", which only makes you look like a moron.

      There's actually a good reason for that without even getting into security issues: Odds are those "smart" features will be obsolete before your TV is, so instead of paying extra for "smart" features, it's probably better to pay less for an STB that you can replace every so often instead.

      Even if they don't go obsolete, chances are your TV manufacturer won't provide any feature additions as they come. If you want them, you'll have to buy next year's model, which is dumb.

    4. Re:That's a Plus by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      Odds are those "smart" features will be obsolete before your TV is

      Even if they don't go obsolete, chances are your TV manufacturer won't provide any feature additions as they come. If you want them, you'll have to buy next year's model, which is dumb.

      That's the problem with buying anything "smart" -- phone, TV, car, whatever. The people making these things are only interested in being able to advertise lots of features. They don't give two shits about updating them, making them secure or even if they are useful at all.

    5. Re:That's a Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! Buy a smart TV, connect it to teh Intarwebz long enough to infect it with as much malware as you possibly can, take it offline, and watch it writhe in agony.

    6. Re:That's a Plus by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem with smart TVs is that they get designed and build and sold and then the market changes and you're stuck with all these build in apps that are pointless. Whereas if you just get a really nice TV for a cheaper price then attach a Roku, Fire Stick, Chromecast, etc, then you can update that device and get new applications and technologies far more cheaply. Especially true with the first generation of smart TVs that were impossible or very difficult to upgrade or add new channels to. Another example, the smart TV might only do 802.11b, whereas most media players under $100 are much faster and more flexible.

      The bells and whistles in some cars become obsolete very quickly. Built in satellite radio service, for a service that became defunct before the auto was less than a year old... An iPhone connector but you decided to get an Android instead. Better for the auto to have some generic common or standardized connectors, then attach your own navigation system, radio system, media player, etc.

    7. Re: That's a Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the owner of a earlyish smart tv. I already have feature s that arent supported/dont work any more. The other newer smart tv i have is so unresponsive that i wishe it were a dumb tv. Im basically taking the stance that all my future tvs will be dumb and ill just buy a roku (or equivalent) to make it smart

    8. Re:That's a Plus by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      Easy to do, don't connect it to a network.
      Plug in a Roku or similar device instead.

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    9. Re: That's a Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck even finding a dumb TV now.

    10. Re:That's a Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have yet to find a feature of "Smart" TVs for which I have any use at all.

      and because you have no use for something, no one else should allowed it, eh?

    11. Re:That's a Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can be allowed to, but it's not the "best thing"

    12. Re:That's a Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best thing you can do with a "Smart TV" is dumb the fuck out of it.

      The best thing you can do with a "new" car you bought with all the bells and whistles is to not use any of them.

      The software on my new car is out of date. I guess I should just buy a new car so I can get the new bells and whistles.

    13. Re:That's a Plus by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      He was concerned that his comment might be a security risk, so he dumbed the fuck out of it to make it more secure.

    14. Re:That's a Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The best thing you can do with a "new" car you bought with all the bells and whistles is to not use any of them.

      Pretty much!

      Transponder chip to start the car? Wait until you lose the one of the keys, or you buy the car used and it only came with one. Some companies charge $200+ for replacements. Solution? Make a few "dumb" copies, cut the head off the transponder key, tape it inside the steering wheel column near the ignition.

      Built in keyless entry, but your fob died? You could go to the dealer and spend $200+ for a replacement. Or you can go to eBay, buy a new door opener for $10 with two fobs included, install it, and call it a day.

      Car alarm goes off in the middle of the night because nothing happened? You could pay someone to fix the door pins or shock sensor, or you could just disconnect the alarm.

      Radio came with a CD player because that was high tech at the time? You could buy an FM transmitter, or you could just throw it away and put in a $25 "dumb" radio with AUX-in.

      FM antenna doesn't go up and down anymore? If it's stuck up, lucky you! If not, you could give the dealer $300 and still be stuck with your shitty factory radio, or you could buy a fixed replacement antenna for $20 and install it yourself.

      People who buy used cars understand too well that the best way to buy a used car is on the assumption none of the gadgets work and you'll be dumbing the fuck out of the car.

    15. Re:That's a Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and because you have no use for something, no one else should

      If you have a valid use case for 'Smart TV' features, then let's hear it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

      Last thing I need is malware infecting my 'Smart Toilet' and painting my bathroom with shit. Ya, Internet of Things!

    16. Re:That's a Plus by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I would like to know what I get out of a 'smart' TV for the extra cost and terrible interface provided, that I can't do better with a AppleTV / ChromeCast / Amazon FireTV stick, which can be swapped out as new technologies emerge.

      I'm very glad that I have a TV that I purchased right before the whole 'smart' TV thing started happening, which only tries to be a large display that accepts HDMI signals. That way, I don't have to have it exposed to a menagerie of flaws and failures due to firmware that is never updated.

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    17. Re:That's a Plus by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      I have a Blu-Ray player that can stream video from Blockbuster.

      Yeah, glad they spent the engineering time on that.

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    18. Re:That's a Plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best thing to do with a smart TV is to disable the wifi and use another, more sophisticated and more secure device to make your screen connected. It's actually getting difficult to find non-Smart TVs in many parts of the country, since the better screens are all installed in smart TVs.

    19. Re:That's a Plus by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      The bells and whistles in some cars become obsolete very quickly. Built in satellite radio service, for a service that became defunct before the auto was less than a year old... An iPhone connector but you decided to get an Android instead. Better for the auto to have some generic common or standardized connectors, then attach your own navigation system, radio system, media player, etc.

      Surprisingly Satellite radio has remained unchanged for years.

      I've rarely seen an "iPhone connector", but I have seen a USB port which can be used for an iPhone, an Android, a flash drive, or just to charge.

      Most cars these days will do Aux in, and Bluetooth, which are "generic common or standardized"

    20. Re:That's a Plus by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But the big satellite provider went bankrupt I thought?

    21. Re:That's a Plus by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      There use to be Sirius satellite radio, and XM satellite radio. Both flirted with bankruptcy. They combined to form Sirius XM, with identical programming, though there are two different satellite networks and protocols to broadcast this identical programming.

  2. And this is news? by bogaboga · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Android-Based Smart TVs Aren't That Smart When You Install Malware On Them

    I think this is obvious. Is there anyone who thinks otherwise? Anyway, why is this a headline on Slashdot? I sincerely just don't get it.

    1. Re:And this is news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android-Based Smart TVs Aren't That Smart When You Install Malware On Them

      I think this is obvious. Is there anyone who thinks otherwise? Anyway, why is this a headline on Slashdot? I sincerely just don't get it.

      People of former Slashdot. Regardless of topic, let's just stop asking the question as to why it's here or relevant for this site.

      It was obvious long ago. Let's not make ourselves look as stupid as the corporate whores who are attempting to sell out and somehow generate relevant content that isn't somehow tied to corporate shilling.

    2. Re:And this is news? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      This is the third news story about this I've seen today ... two of them in the mainstream press.

      Maybe people are finally realizing the giant piles of crap their "smart" TVs are after they start getting malware or otherwise become obsolete and abandoned by the maker.

      That would be a good thing.

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    3. Re:And this is news? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Then I hope folks start realizing that being able to hack something is no longer news.

    4. Re:And this is news? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      No, but maybe just how damned insecure these things are, and just how much they're the embodiment of planned obsolescence, will finally start to sink in and people will demand better security and life cycle support.

      Instead of buying a half assed product which gets abandoned almost immediately and which has gaping security holes in it ... and being expected to just buy a new TV.

      A TV which has no smarts can't become obsolete or get hacked.

      No matter what my TV thinks, it gets HDMI inputs, and otherwise doesn't have any say in channel selection or volume ... it's literally used as a dumb monitor without sound.

      And it will never get hacked, compromised, stuck with out of date software, or have features be removed from it by someone else.

      This crap is exactly what I expected when they first announced smart TV ... it's amazing how many people do suddenly think this is news.

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    5. Re:And this is news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should go hug someone.

  3. Missed Opportunitity to Perform a Public Service by Kunedog · · Score: 3, Funny

    For a moment I was hoping the "malware" just removed the manufacturers cruddy adware/malware, transforming the device into an old-fashioned "dumb" just-works television.

  4. The smart thing.. by wbr1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ...is to get a commercial display. No smart IOT OS crap to get bloated, infected or ignored when the next 4k model comes out. Hook whatever inputs you want to it and have your intelligence there.

    Since I like Neweggs stance on patents, here is a non affiliate link to some examples: http://www.newegg.com/Commerci...

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    1. Re:The smart thing.. by rsborg · · Score: 1

      ...is to get a commercial display. No smart IOT OS crap to get bloated, infected or ignored when the next 4k model comes out. Hook whatever inputs you want to it and have your intelligence there.

      Since I like Neweggs stance on patents, here is a non affiliate link to some examples: http://www.newegg.com/Commerci...

      Interesting - so how do you switch inputs? I take it this requires a receiver or some other HDMI/etc input switcher with remote? They do cost a lot more - you can get an LED 4k 40" screen for like $300.

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    2. Re:The smart thing.. by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      Most have multiple inputs and a remote. And of course an embedded processor for settings/decoding video, but no custom OS over top to be hacked or never updated. It's just a LCD. Many don't have tuners, so you would need an external tuner or HTPC with tuner for OTA broadcasts. For streaming just grab the latest chromecast/roku/apple tv whatever.

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    3. Re:The smart thing.. by Microlith · · Score: 1

      Tragically, in the category you linked:

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/...

    4. Re:The smart thing.. by Microlith · · Score: 2

      And a bunch of the others include fancy operating systems as well.

    5. Re:The smart thing.. by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      I don 't control manufacturer decisions or neweggs catalog. I pointed in a direction where some examples could be found. Do your homework.

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    6. Re:The smart thing.. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      You can simply ignore all the "smarts" of your new smart TV and just use it as an ordinary TV. If your TV works well on the day you purchased it, there's no need to ever update the software again and risk any breaking changes or performance degradation. Who cares if your TV's OS is "ignored" if it continues to work fine?

      When I was going through the initial setup, my TV wanted to connect to the internet, get information about me, blah blah, and I just said "no". Fortunately, you can still do that. Anyone with a modern videogame console or other TV-enhancing device has a 100x better experience with those purpose-built devices than the utter shit software they put on those TVs anyhow.

      Malware isn't magically reaching out across the airwaves to infect these devices. This is idiots being idiots and installing dodgy software from unknown sources, which is how much malware in the world gets propagated. The only news-worthiness here is that smart TVs are now ubiquitous enough that it's worthwhile for malware authors to start targeting them.

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    7. Re:The smart thing.. by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      Ignoring the software is unsafe. If it is like many IOT devices and contains unpatched vulnerabilities that grow over time, and hard coded backdoors, the device is still at risk and provides a foothold into the network it is attached to. If you can just choose not to connect to a network then that is fine, but how long do you think that option will stay for when they want to collect, mine and sell your viewing habits?

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    8. Re:The smart thing.. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      As an added bonus, many commercial displays have RS-232 on them as well, for being able to perform remote power management. This might be a feature that comes in handy to the old guard around Slashdot.

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    9. Re:The smart thing.. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      It may be unsafe if you're actually connected to the network. But if you're not using any of the "smarts" of the system, why in the world would your TV be connected in the first place? My smart TV just acts like a dumb TV, getting input from my peripheral devices, but has no access to the internet. It's near impossible for it to be hacked via an HDMI cable coming from my own hardware devices.

      And no, I don't see a near-term future where your TV must be connected to the internet because there are always going to be some use cases where it's either impractical or even impossible to do that (like the proverbial cabin in the woods). Look at the backlash against the Xbox One with the initial requirements of having to phone home once a day to remain operable. People are fine with connected devices, but it's pretty clear they hate mandatory connectivity. There are enough manufacturers so that if one is stupid enough to try that, people will likely flock to their competition.

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    10. Re:The smart thing.. by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      The HDMI spec does support having an Ethernet connection over the cable. If you had a receiver that you used an Ethernet connection on, it could share that connection with the TV without you realizing.

    11. Re: The smart thing.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no tv that supports that feature. Atleast not yet.

    12. Re:The smart thing.. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Good point... that was introduced in the HDMI 1.4 spec, right? I think it's still a largely theoretical concern for right now, as I haven't really seen any support for this. I'd bet it's probably because it's just a lot more straightforward to put a wifi receiver and ethernet port on the TV for a direct connection if there's any desire to do so. Moreover, the type of consumer who would have the equipment to connect a receiver with this type of advanced feature would probably also have equipment that would eliminate the need for the TV to be connected in the first place (a game console or other media box). So, yeah... there's a good chance this feature will never actually be widely supported, as I don't see much of a practical demand for this.

      Fortunately, there's probably not a huge incentive for a smart TV to try to connect to the internet surreptitiously, because the blowback when such a thing is inevitably discovered would likely be fairly severe. Lenovo's pre-installed adware was a great object lesson for the tech industry at large. I suppose we'll see if I'm wrong and some idiotic MBA decides to screw over their own customers by spying on them.

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  5. Missing from summary: Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are crooks installing malware but not using it for ransom? Apparently because they're using the malware to load pay-per-install apps to the TVs. They're avoiding notice by the owners, and milking these TVs for a few easy bucks.

  6. Re:Funny, my old Apple TV and New one works fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Apple doesn't make a smart TV, they make an overpriced, underpowered set top box. This article is about smart TVs.

    It also requires the user to intentionally side-load the malware in order to be infected. Something you flat-out can't do on an Apple TV.

    Want to watch Amazon Prime on Apple TV? Or anything else that Apple hasn't officially blessed? Tough. You can't.

    Don't install malware on your Android-based smart TV and you'll be fine.

  7. Re:Funny, my old Apple TV and New one works fine by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    I have an Apple TV too, but it isn't terribly useful, even at $99. And the new one is way overpriced.

  8. SmartTV, Dumb Executives by Dorianny · · Score: 2

    After 3 years of using my High end Sony Smart TV for internet video streaming, I bought a Stream Box because the TV's software was never updated and some services like YouTube actually stopped functioning because of end of support for whatever streaming method the device was using.Someone really needs to explain to Executives at TV manufacturers than nobody goes out to Replace a TV just so the SmartTV functions can get updated. Not when one can go buy a stream Device for a fraction of the price and get updates and a much better interface and function.

  9. Re:Funny, my old Apple TV and New one works fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Don't install malware on your Android-based smart TV and you'll be fine.

    The average smart TV consumer can't even spell malware let alone understand what the fuck it is or why it's bad, so please stop trying to address the masses as if they can even comprehend this. It only makes you look as ignorant as the masses you are attempting to address.

  10. Re:SmartTV, Dumb Executives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet their's an Idiot that will get one, once the Share on Facebook stops working.

  11. What is it? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, it's not a smart TV ransomware.

    Well, thanks for telling us what it's not, but TFA doesn't actually confirm that, if anything it says it could be literally anything. Essentially this malware creates a system by with other malware can be downloaded and installed.

    So it could, actually, be ransomware. And, to be honest, I'm trying to think of malware that would be useful (to attackers) on expensive smart TVs except for ransomware. It can't exactly install keyloggers to grab your credit card numbers...

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    1. Re:What is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're loading the TVs down with pay-per-install apps. Basically this is the equivalent of clickthru spam.

  12. Issue: You can not Update a SmartTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a very ugly practice that you can not upgrade a SmartTV device, they are locked by its manufacturer. Sony's Google TV, Vizio Co-Start Google TV are just locked with Android 3 without any possibilities of updating it. Manufacturers need to stop locking up their devices to allow the users or communities to upgrade their OS.

  13. Wrong place for smarts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Makes sense to put all the smarts into a small, cheap, easy to replace set-top box that you can attach to your big, high-quality (expensive but longer lived) *dumb* display that is optimised to simply display whatever you plug into it.

    Putting the soon obsoleted, vulnerable smarts into your display just doesn't make sense to me.

    Or did I just reinvent the media PC in disguise?

    1. Re: Wrong place for smarts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly what I do. Micro PC running kodibuntu plugged into TV via hdmi. Has a remote and everything.

  14. "smart" tv by Dereck1701 · · Score: 2

    I've never understood why someone would want an integrated "smart TV". Things become obsolete, app makers switch to a new os/hardware config. If you have your smart device integrated into the TV there is no way to replace a relatively cheap system in an expensive one. Whereas if you have a separate smart device and it no longer supports the apps you want, breaks, or is infected with a virus you simply buy a new one (often quite cheaply) hook it up and you're off and running. Also from what I've seen separate smart TV device manufactures often have more stable, well supported software since they are dealing with a limited number devices instead of dozens of TV models. My Amazon Fire/Chromecast devices have required a simple restart less than a dozen times since I bought them 2 years ago. Someone I know who owns a 4k smart TV has had to factory reset their TV at least 3 times due to software bugs in the last year alone. Buying a TV with integrated smart capabilities is like buying a house with a fridge/washer/dryer permanently cemented into a wall.

    1. Re: "smart" tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because its hard to find a new TV without smarts

  15. Re: Funny, my old Apple TV and New one works fine by zaphirplane · · Score: 2

    I don't think people install malware intentionally, they are tricked into it by definition they didn't want to

  16. Re:SmartTV, Dumb Executives by mcrbids · · Score: 1

    We *have* a Samsung 4k "Smart" TV and we don't use any of the smarts - at all. What drives it is the XB One, or the Android TV Stick. I'm not even sure how to use the "smart" part. But it said "Smart" on the box...

    I have no doubt that the "smart" feature is something they added to make it more appealing in some way, but why?

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  17. Re:SmartTV, Dumb Executives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After 3 years of using my High end Sony Smart TV for internet video streaming, I bought a Stream Box because the TV's software was never updated and some services like YouTube actually stopped functioning because of end of support for whatever streaming method the device was using.Someone really needs to explain to Executives at TV manufacturers than nobody goes out to Replace a TV just so the SmartTV functions can get updated. Not when one can go buy a stream Device for a fraction of the price and get updates and a much better interface and function.

    You miss the point. They already had your money, so they're in no hurry to update your device. Same thing happened with my Garmin GPS and a friend's DVD player, as well as my dumb Samsung TVs. [The Smart TVs seem to get updates fairly often, though.] It's like they need two updates to cover their own asses, but should something like a timezone file update be needed, updates are nowhere to be found.

    What they really need to do is spend extra development time to get the firmware correct in the first place, then make sure that it can't be updated in software. Make it a pure hardware ROM if need be. That way, the device is correct, the device won't get infected, and the device won't get the updates that it wasn't going to get anyway.

  18. Re:Missed Opportunitity to Perform a Public Servic by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    For a moment I was hoping the "malware" just removed the manufacturers cruddy adware/malware, transforming the device into an old-fashioned "dumb" just-works television.

    You know, I bet there would be a market for a utility that took a "smart" TV and basically lobotomized back into a standard TV, incapable of being infested with malware. Have it lock out all the ridiculous garbage "features" that make it vulnerable and turn it into just a plain ol' TV with normal features.

    If I ever bought a smart TV I'd probably be willing to pay to have it dumbed down.

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  19. Re:SmartTV, Dumb Executives by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    I have no doubt that the "smart" feature is something they added to make it more appealing in some way, but why?

    What they meant is that it's "smart" enough to be vulnerable to malware attacks, instead of just blissfully ignoring them like a regular TV does.

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  20. Re:SmartTV, Dumb Executives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also have one of those sony google tvs that was abandoned. Stream Box looks really sketchy - are you happy with it?
    I still use my google TV to SMB network share into my PC for content stored there.

  21. Over zealous title. by jxander · · Score: 1

    You could cut out 2/3 of the title and be perfectly accurate

    "Smart TVs aren't smart." Full stop.

    They're the bastard children of TVs and Computers that do not accomplish either task as well as their dedicated parents.

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  22. VLC by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    My so called smart tv can play files from Windows shared folders. What I wish is that VLC could play streams to it instead.

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    1. Re:VLC by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Does the TV have DLNA? I've got a Vizio that has it. No it's not that silly restricted Plex app that requires Plex Pass on some platforms. (though it's got that too)

    2. Re:VLC by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure the tv has DLNA. How do you make it connect to VLC?

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    3. Re:VLC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. I've been waiting for the VLC Chromecast support to materialize.

    4. Re:VLC by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      You don't. Why connect your TV to VLC, when you can use DLNA to access any of the content the DLNA server is shared, not just what is playing in VLC. Including Music and Photos. Just use a DLNA server on the PC. Heck, some routers have built in DLNA servers, add external storage to the router and you're good to go.

    5. Re:VLC by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      I want to use VLC for its audio compression. I dislike how all movies have whisper quiet dialog while music and everything else is ear shattering. My compression settings are set to "brick wall" so nothing can ever be louder than my choosing. In fact what I'm planning on doing is feeding the optical out from the tv into a cheap 24/96 DAC, feeding that into a real studio compressor, then finally into a power amp. No more extra loud commercials and channels.

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    6. Re:VLC by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      I've been happy with the Videostream Chrome extension, and the Android companion app.

    7. Re:VLC by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I dislike how all movies have whisper quiet dialog while music and everything else is ear shattering.

      That's because you're probably playing the 5.1 or 7.1 mix by default and the playback device isn't mixing it well.

      And optical? OPTICAL? Why aren't you using HDMI?

  23. Buying a TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's already smarter than you

  24. Re:SmartTV, Dumb Executives by Kartu · · Score: 2

    Buying a Steam Box to... watch youtube videos etc, is one weird decision.
    Lack of updates is another puzzling reason, I have a bunch of TVs and even 5 year old C series Samsung keeps updating stuff (which is rather annoying).

    Not sure about new revisions, but most of the older Samsung TVs I touched ran Linux.
    There is a wonderful SamyGo project, which allows you to root and harness your TV (full shell access, SAMBA/NFS mounts, ui patches and even cardsharing clients)

  25. Internet of infected things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly what I've been expecting. These things never get updates, even just security ones. They are hacked together out of open source components then thrown over the wall and the next one is started on. The images couldn't be updated normally because it's a load of closed stuff, which of course mean the kernel and everything has moved on and the closed bits haven't. So you either can't use the closed bits, or can't update the connecting parts. But of course, these things aren't made to be updated.

    What is scary is everyone is just joining these things willy-nilly to their network. Won't be long before malware infections aren't just the Windows PC but the whole network.

    What should be done is these things should be standardized so standard and updated images can be used on them. Like OpenWRT for routers, but where you just need the DeviceTree for your device, or better still, the hardware is auto-discoverable like on x86.

    1. Re:Internet of infected things by Rob+Lister · · Score: 1

      Actually, my Samsung smart tv [used to] update almost weekly. It drove me nuts. It took about 5 minutes. What was it updating? As far as I know, just the ads for services someone paid them to install. I was pretty stoked when I first bought it. I soon discovered it was a very dumb version of smart. It crashed continuously. And worse, it pings some Samsung domain to see if it is connected to the internet and if they were down (which was pretty frequent), the TV thought my internet was down. Netflix took about 3 minutes to load any given show, and more often than not just crashed the tv. I never did get the youtube app to work for more than a few minutes. It had an internet browser that couldn't render any pages correctly. My remote keyboard would only function with that and nothing else. It was just a piece of shit. But the picture was good. I disconnected it from the internet and use a roku instead. Problem solved.

  26. Smart appliances is dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would never buy a smart TV and if I was forced too I would simply never connect it to the internet. The main reason is these so called smart devices never seem to receive the same attention to updates or upgrades that dedicated devices receive. Smart appliances are also a risky device as they too seem to be ignored for updates after only a short time. Even routers these days are getting attacked only because the firmware is so poorly developed and not properly updated.
    You can go months before the device is updated and sometimes it has to be manually done. Best advice in buying is when you see smart mentioned in device. Think dumb as the actual result. Think security risk, think to yourself. I am smarter then a person who buys a smart TV.

  27. Re:SmartTV, Dumb Executives by nosfucious · · Score: 1

    They are hoping consumers/suckers will fall for the Android marketing model. New features are only available with the new model, not the one you've purchased. Including essential security.

    OpenElec (was XBMC) on a hacked Chrombox works well for me. Dumb TVs forever.

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  28. You had me at tv ransomware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pay $250 or your tv will only play Rick Astley!

  29. Re:Funny, my old Apple TV and New one works fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The average smart TV consumer can't even spell malware let alone understand what the fuck it is or why it's bad...

    but yet the average TV consumer would know what side-load is?

  30. Re:SmartTV, Dumb Executives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The DirecTV STB which is updated quite frequently and had YouTube streaming for some time no longer supports YouTube either. Seems to be around the time YouTube Red was introduced. Hearing a second instance of this, I wonder if this was a technical decision or a policy change on YouTube's end.

  31. Actually it is sad there's no ransomware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because if the TVs were compromised by ransomware then their owners would have to get off their asses and do something about it. Instead of just letting their TVs act as botted attackers.

  32. Re:Missed Opportunitity to Perform a Public Servic by JeffOwl · · Score: 1

    Or you could just not let it connect to the internet by not giving it WiFi pass codes or plugging it in. I have found that has solved the bulk of the problems with my Samsung. I have a PC connected anyway as a DVR so I can get the Netflix/Hulu/Amazon stuff anyway.

  33. Re:SmartTV, Dumb Executives by JeffOwl · · Score: 1

    Once you decide you don't need the "smart" features you disconnect it from the internet. That has solved my issues. I have a PC connected anyway.

  34. Re:Funny, my old Apple TV and New one works fine by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    You do realize that the reason Amazon Prime Video isn't on AppleTV is because Amazon doesn't want it on there, right? Amazon didn't create an app to do it, where they do have an app for iPad and iPhone. Netflix has no problem working on AppleTV, nor does Hulu. Why would Apple let those services on, but block Amazon Prime Video?

    Also, Amazon is the one not carrying competitors' hardware any more - just go try to buy an AppleTV from Amazon, or the new version of ChromeCast. You won't find them, but the first search result will be a FireTV stick.

    But I'm sure that Apple is still the bastard in your mind because they didn't go and write an app for Amazon, cracking the DRM to play the video anyway when Amazon didn't graciously help them.

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  35. Re:Funny, my old Apple TV and New one works fine by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    I have to agree - I had a 2nd gen AppleTV that I used the hell out of until I did a full DVR build. Due to Amazon Prime video being a pain in the ass, I bought a cheap FireTV stick, and I'm rather impressed at what $35 gets you, considering that a PLEX client is available on it as well. Unless Apple steps their game up a lot farther than some Siri-enabled nonsense, I don't see a return to AppleTV in my future, even with the new downloadable 'app' thing on the new one.

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  36. Re:SmartTV, Dumb Executives by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    A little of both I think. Youtube stopped supporting their "apps" on certain devices, especially ones that can view Youtube via their web browser. The PS Vita is one of those. It was probably done to reduce the plethora of devices they had to support.

  37. Re:SmartTV, Dumb Executives by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Once you decide you don't need the "smart" features you disconnect it from the internet.

    Pfffft, anyone could do it that way. ;)

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  38. Installing apps from an unofficial source by JohnStock · · Score: 1

    .. may cause you to install malware.. Er.. Is this really an article?