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Tokyo Rose 2.0: White House Asks Silicon Valley For Terrorism Help
theodp writes: While past U.S. Presidents have had to contend with radio propaganda, President Obama also has to worry about online propaganda. On Friday, U.S. national security officials met with leaders in Silicon Valley seeking ideas for ways to curtail terrorists' use of social media and to use technology to "disrupt paths to radicalization to violence." The closed door meetup, which included Apple CEO Tim Cook and top execs from Facebook, Twitter and Google, occurred on the same day the White House also announced the creation of the Countering Violent Extremism Task Force, which will focus on using social media to counter online propaganda by Islamic State and other terrorist groups, and the State Department promised to revamp its online counter-messaging campaign.
Obama's opening line of the meeting. "Gentlemen, how much privacy and how many rights of your users are you willing to sacrifice in the name of patriotism and the fight against terrorism?"
Better known as 318230.
Everyone likes contests with prizes. Simply have awards for the best parodies, photoshopped terrorist photos, and terrorist videos that make ISIS look stupid. Recruits that find out the reality is 72 virgin sheep (after all, that's where virgin wool comes from), stuff like "Achmed, the 'Stop! I kill you!' dead terrorist", etc. Translate the best into as many languages as possible.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
What exactly does Apple have to do with social media? Nothing, which is why you should suspect this meeting was about placing NSA back doors into hardware and software.
i know they like to describe it as "response", but the "response" to terrorism is actually a "predictable reaction". these "predictable reactions" are what the psy-ops teams behind terrorist groups use to extend their reach well beyond what they would otherwise be able to achieve. kill a few people in a public place, get a MASSIVE reaction, governments predictably react in a 2-dimentsional zombie sleep-walking way, calling it a "response", and the damage is magnified and furthers the aims of the terrorists: to terrorise as many people as they can.
blunt and simple question. why are governments HELPING terrorists?
even this "news" report - where the U.S. govt is now holding talks with the companies that hold the most information about people in the history of humanity - far more than IBM could ever hold on punched-cards when it was commissioned by the Nazis to track the jewish population - is yet another example of the terrorists WINNING.
i didn't approve of it at the time, but there was significant censorship of the bombings that occurred in dublin in the 1980s. TWELVE bombs - set off in ONE DAY by the IRA - reached all of the Irish newspapers... but not a single word reached us in the UK or anywhere else. the only reason i got to hear about it at all was because we had some irish workers who would have newspapers specially shipped over.
this kind of "non-reaction" - non-reporting - i can see now is much more sensible than any kind of "reaction" dressed up with the words "response" or "proportionate response". it however takes extreme bravery to not react in the face of this kind of thing, and that, really, should be the role of governments: to say, "look: our current approach, to try to reassure you that we're 'taking care of this' for you by "reacting", isn't working. everything we try to do just makes things worse. instead, what we'd like you to consider doing is a VOLUNTARY censorship of terrorists. if you see something illegal on a social media site, report it. but DO NOT re-tweet it. do NOT send messages to your friends 'oh dear look at this, isn't it horrible'. take a deep breath, be compassionate, feel SORRY for these people that they're so deluded that they have to kill other human beings, but don't react in fear and loathing, because that's exactly what they want you to do".
sounds naive, maybe? but look, historically, at what's worked. the current "policies" aren't working, are they? so maybe it's time to try something different, yes? remember: definition of madness - to do the same thing over and over again, given the exact same conditions, expecting every single time a different outcome...
The master of the flamebait story posted a threefer. You can rant about jihadis, NSA, or big tech companies.
Anyone wanna bet they'll all be served some 'nice' National Security Letters so they have to comply aiding the US government in censoring any possible thoughtcrime that may lead to 'terrorism' (i.e. "Anything the US doesn't like")?
control the media... https://news.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=uh3_news_vert_gs&type=2button&p=mein%20kampf%20in%20english ..with a twist of greed & egomania
What the weasel is asking for is a way to shut people up. It's the standard "OMFG terrorists use this" excuse.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
House Democrats introduce legislation condemning anti-Muslim bigotry
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/30/house-democrats-introduce-legislation-condemning-a/
Why just Muslims? Why single out one religion for special treatment? What ever happened to free speech for everybody?
Do Muslims get to continue their hate speech, and outright death threats? Why is that not being addressed?
Who decides what is "hate speech" against Islam? Muslims tend to consider the slightest honest criticism to be hate speech. They kill over cartoons.
My understanding is that most religious hate speech, and hate crimes, are against Jews.
Why do we spend so much time on this terrorism and social media bullshit??? This is not a real issue. How about we spend as much time working on the problem of our aging and dysfunctional national infrastructure like the electrical grid or the public transportation systems?
Below is a story from cracked.com. Not the best source, but better than wikipedia.
I am curious, does anybody know the truth about this?
In the U.S., whenever people openly criticize American troops or side with the opposition in a military conflict, they're accused of being like "Tokyo Rose" (anti-war protester Jane Fonda was called this during Vietnam, or snidely referred to as "Hanoi Jane"). If you've seen the movie Flags of Our Fathers, there's a scene where the American GIs stationed in Japan hear a sexy English-speaking lady on the radio taunting them with the fact that, while they're being blown to pieces, back home their wives are probably blowing other dudes. That's "Tokyo Rose" -- she would broadcast anti-American propaganda aimed at demoralizing troops overseas.
After the war, two journalists actually found this traitor and the government threw her in jail.
But It Turns Out ...
The only problem is, the U.S. military had an agency monitoring enemy broadcasts 24/7 during the war, and they declared that there was no "Tokyo Rose." It was just a catchall name soldiers gave all English-speaking Japanese women on the radio. So wait, who the hell did they arrest, then? A California-born woman, Iva Toguri, who actually did the opposite of what we just described.
It's complicated. War isn't science, OK?
In 1941, Toguri was in Japan, taking care of an aunt. She was set to return to the U.S. on December 9 of the same year, but a little thing called "Japan bombing the shit out of Pearl Harbor" made that impossible. So she stayed there against her will and eventually got a job in Radio Tokyo, where she worked under a captured Australian major who had been tasked with broadcasting propaganda in English. However, since their Japanese superiors/captors didn't actually understand what they were saying, the major and Toguri began slipping pro-American messages into the broadcasts, which were always done in a playful tone.
Toguri never went by "Tokyo Rose" (her moniker was "Orphan Annie"), and you'll note that her voice was anything but sexy. When the war ended, reporters desperate to confirm the rumors found Toguri, thought she fit the profile, and basically conned her into admitting that she was the real deal. As a result, she was convicted of treason, fined $10,000, and sentenced to 10 years in prison, and she had her citizenship revoked. Toguri was finally given the old presidential "Whoops, our bad" by Gerald Ford in 1977.
http://www.cracked.com/article_20408_5-famous-people-you-wont-believe-didnt-exist_p2.html
Why isn't the solution to terrorist speech more speech? Why are we looking for ways to censor people? I'd much rather they were dicking around on Facebook rather than killing people. And if they're dumb enough to use social media to plot things, then their information is available for the police to find.
So I'm not sure I get the point of this at all. Isis' use of social media isn't what concerns me. The way they oppress and kill people is what I truly hate. Far from censoring beheading videos, I think it's only because we can see such things that we know how depraved these people are. I'd much rather see Isis' butchers executed for their crimes than censored.
My basic questions is why have the meetings in closed door? Its something that effects all of us so all of us should know what the government is doing for its scheme.
Simple and basic
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Starting a war on terrorism did not have the desired effect. Maybe it's time to give peace a chance (with a Nobel laureate in the White House)?
I had to look up Tokyo Rose, I knew Vietnam Rose and the latter seems for well educated people more infectious.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Stop sending troops to kill people all over the world, in their own countries, people that are of no conceivable threat to America, and they will stop wanting to kill us.
Mostly we do this in our economic interest. In essence, terrorism is a cost of the way we do business. If Global corporations and countries were to change to doing business ethically, no longer supporting dictators and corruption to get resources cheaper or with more assurance, their profits would go down but so would the need to strong-arm people all over the world with our armies.
Because we don't want to stop doing business this way, we need to seek advice on how to create better ways to hold back the animosity and hate we create by our actions. But until we stop creating the animosity and hate, it will always plague us.
comrade popups on every site we visit?
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Can I get an Amen!
Everyone likes contests with prizes. Simply have awards for the best parodies, photoshopped terrorist photos, and terrorist videos that make ISIS look stupid. Recruits that find out the reality is 72 virgin sheep (after all, that's where virgin wool comes from), stuff like "Achmed, the 'Stop! I kill you!' dead terrorist", etc. Translate the best into as many languages as possible.
Everyone likes contests with prizes. Simply have awards for the best parodies, photoshopped terrorist photos, and terrorist videos that make ISIS look stupid. Recruits that find out the reality is 72 virgin sheep (after all, that's where virgin wool comes from), stuff like "Achmed, the 'Stop! I kill you!' dead terrorist", etc. Translate the best into as many languages as possible.
ISIS probably would not care. You know what ISIS would care about, what would frighten likely recruits ... dead ISIS fighters on the ground with Kurdish female fighters standing over them posing victoriously with their weapons, the ISIS fighter's weapons.
Hey we have the much publicized female grads of the US Army Ranger school (*). Perhaps its time to have some night raids by Rangers and photos in the morning too. Female Rangers a much publicized part of the team. Keep in mind that there need be no quagmire. The quagmires do not come about from military raids and attacks and even invasions, they come about from the attempts at nation building. So just raids, kill ISIS, pose for photos, leave. Repeat as necessary.
(*) Yes I'm very well aware of the fact that men and women are anatomically different and ground combat is a rare area where such anatomical differences matter. But if these women really did complete Ranger school successfully so be it. The anatomical differences don't make it impossible, just very rare. While a male may need to be at the good college athlete level, a female may need to be at the olympic athlete level. And if the women got extra training and conditioning prior to Ranger school unavailable to male candidate, the fact remains that they finished the program. If properly fit, trained and wearing the tab they should go into harms way against ISIS due to the psychological value of their presence.
Basically Obama is not a fan of the first nor the second amendment. Can those student's who attended his Constitutional Law class when he was teaching get a refund?
n/t
It is a sad day, knowing full well, that the Gov;t asking private sector to do something, they are prohibited to do by constitution.
Freedom to express comes at a price, which is means other people have a right to express their opinion no matter how unpopular they are. It is not okay for few in authority to have all that freedom, and they decide what others can say and hear. It is tyranny, where the state does that. In our case, creative, "well it is not us" it is private companies that do that, does not take away gov't direct culpability in such reprehensible acts.
The fact it is done by Democratic president, speaks volumes, to how far we gotten off the track in USA from a democratic society. Bastion of freedom is freedom of discourse should not be stifled by gov't and their private goons. Persecuting "dangerous" thoughts are tools of those who are afraid of their own people, and cling to power under false representation.
Double plus speech good only thoughts. Otherwise enemy to the people. Staling and Mao wished they had what this administration is doing. How much they accomplished without it. How much the illusion of freedom will be accomplished here.
Animal Farm resonates with me now. Sad part people who participate in this now, do not realize they are the very fascist youth who is mislead so easily to do evil things. Let the books we do not agree burn! Technology is such an omnipresent tool to suppress, and seemingly "Smart" people do not understand the wrongs they are doing who participate in it -- in the name of "greater good."
Sad.
Radical extremist messages don't resonate with people who have a comfortable life. Every time the middle class gets pushed down, every time a full time job doesn't make ends meet, every time a simple medical problem costs several years income, the radical extremist messages come through a little louder and a little clearer.
All the Bullshit translates to: "We urgently need your products to be COVERTLY backdoored". NSA will gladly assisst in providing very nicely camouflaged exploits to be used in Linux, Windows and Apple OSs. And Solaris, too.
terrorist tag and release program. that way we can follow their migratory patterns and nuke their breeding grounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYndJV6iepQ
They are the only saviors of our culture, while Merkel, Bushes, Battenbergs and Clintons are Bought By Riad.
They discuss strategies and tactics of how to insert covert backdoors into products which are "too secure".
The issues of the Mohammedic world stem almost completely from Exponential Population Growth. There is simply not enough food for all the young men of their world to found a new family.
But their NutJob Religion will of course claim "it is only the fault of injustice." Consequently, "the rich people of the north" are responsible for a lack of food. Because, you know, we Kaffirs should just "do one more magic trick" and increase food production by a factor of 10 as we did with the Haber-Bosch Process. Would it not be nice if the globe would be inhabited by 25 billion people by 2100 ? And by 75 billion people by 2130 ? THAT is the Mohammedic "logic".
Mohammedism is a Religion Of War, founded by a Sick Warlord. It's fire is fuelled by excessive breeding.
Fritz Haber was a German Jew, working in the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in Berlin. The Ammonia synthesis process he developed is responsible for the existence of about 90% of all people, including 90% of Mohammedics.
But they hate the jews from the bottom of their hearts. What a bunch of retarded Assholes they are.
Obama clearly gets his marching orders from Donald Trump
Can never have too many.
Know what UK stands for? Ummah Kalifate
The UK has been a butt smoocher of Muslims for the longest time. In the Crimean war, they chose to pick Turkey over Russia, since it was such a great idea to back Muslim powers. Same thing in the Indian subcontinent - backing myriad Muslim kingdoms, like Afghanistan, against non-Muslim kingdoms, like the Sikhs, to bolster their empire. And going head to head against Russia in the so called 'Great Game', when Russia did the world a service by destroying the savage sultanates/emirates/khanates of Samarqand, Boqhara, Tashkent, et al.
It's really bizarre that Turkey is still a part of NATO, or considered a part of the Western Alliance. That was Kemal Ataturk's Turkey, and that has been dead for at least a decade. That Turkey used to aspire to become a part of Europe, and the EU wanted no part of a country that was a military dictatorship. The EU was justified in denying Turkey membership, but not for THAT reason. The correct reason was that the Turkish people have more in common w/ their Arab Muslim co-religionists than w/ the by now completely secularized population of Europe.
And Saudi Arabia? They're now seething at what Iran has going for them, but as Arabs, it's THEIR fault. Had they left the Byzantine and Sassanid empires alone and not Islamized them, they wouldn't be facing threats from Iran today. It's funny how people who they conquered and Islamized now claim the 'True Islam' mantle back from them. Hilarious, in fact. Aside from the Alien vs Predator aspect to that conflict
Stalin had some good ideas. Yeah, he caused the Holodomor, but on the bright side, he had the right idea in expelling the Crimean Tatar Muslims to Uzbekistan. Lest people think that those people were lambs, fact is that throughout history, they were a terror against Russia, and even ransacked Moscow on one occasion. Also, the Russian conquest of Turkestan, and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, were good things: they ended their penchant for Jihad. Helping the Afghans expel the Soviets, helped set the stage for Taliban conquests later and 9/11. Today, the only thing that has kept Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan from becoming countries like Syria is their Soviet era dictators - Nazarbayev and Karimov. Otherwise, if those people are allowed to rediscover their past glory, they'll try and resurrect the old Timuride empires that ravaged much of Asia in the 15th century.
Stop sending troops to kill people all over the world, in their own countries, people that are of no conceivable threat to America, and they will stop wanting to kill us. Mostly we do this in our economic interest. In essence, terrorism is a cost of the way we do business. If Global corporations and countries were to change to doing business ethically, no longer supporting dictators and corruption to get resources cheaper or with more assurance, their profits would go down but so would the need to strong-arm people all over the world with our armies. Because we don't want to stop doing business this way, we need to seek advice on how to create better ways to hold back the animosity and hate we create by our actions. But until we stop creating the animosity and hate, it will always plague us.
But how does that stop people who are Muslim HERE from attacking Infidels? Muslims like Ed Archer who tried to take down a cop because the police enforce laws that are not endorsed by the Quran?
Solution here is to redefine Islam as what it really is - a geopolitical ideological CULT masquerading as a religion, and strip it of all the RELIGIOUS protections that it currently enjoys. And also lose the islamophobiaphobic attitudes that force people to deny that what's going on is Islamic. Ban all Muslims from entering the US, and within the US itself, whenever any act of Jihad occurs, follow it up by deporting the Muslim in question to his country of origin, or in the event that it's an American citizen who is a Muslim, try him for treason and execute him, pushing him to the head of the line.
Reason for this has been our deliberate blindness to the fact that all the terrorism that we face today come from Islam. Whether it's from migrants or refugees or citizens converted either within jailhouses or schools or elsewhere in society.
We do have laws that allow us to go after neo-Nazis, Communists, KKK and so on. There is no reason the same laws can't be used against Muslims. Just re-define Islam as a politically ideological cult - something easily established from the Islamic texts - and state that religious protections that exist under the 1st Amendment will NOT apply to Islam. After that, pull no punches. Profile Muslims - including White and Black converts to Islam - down the wazoo. Particularly converts. People who are born into Islam by an accident of birth have a good chance of being agnostic about their 'faith'. People who consciously CHOOSE to convert to ISLAM, of all religions, ought to be suspected from the get-go, b'cos some of the main requirements of Islam are indoctrination and isolation of Infidels. Particularly convicts. Here is a group of people who have a rap sheet, and here comes a religion that tells them that anything and everything they did was okay, if they convert to Islam and dedicate their crimes to allah. Suddenly, something usually recognized as evil is suddenly transmuted into something AOK just due to the motive, and gets glossed over.
Do all this, and you won't have to walk over anybody ELSE's rights
What happened to Tokyo Rose and her post-war prosecution/persecution is emblematic of U.S.arrogance and malevolence throughout the 20th century.
If we're revisiting it now as an inspiration for some present endeavour, than every American with any shred of decency should be furious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... This is why I voted for him in 2008. His economic promises and predictions have turned out to be equally hollow.
Can we do the same for Christians? The same criteria applied to Christians would put the entire government in prison including our President.
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You also ignore that Saudi Arabia has been exporting the most virulent form of insane Is
lam for a long time.
No kidding.
Like since Muhammad, who had a lot to say about them. For instance:
"The confusion [fitna] comes from there. (and he pointed to the East = Nejid in present
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
(Confusion also seems to come from the touchpads on Lenovo laptops, which seem to be able to hit "Submit" on partially composed postings, while simultaneously erasing part of the text...)
You also ignore that Saudi Arabia has been exporting the most virulent form of insane Is
lam for a long time.
No kidding.
Like since Muhammad, who had a lot to say about them. For instance:
"The confusion [fitna] comes from there (and he pointed to the East = Nejid in present-day Eastern Saudi Arabia)"
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
So basically the US government is asking silicon valley to aid it in ensuring only pro-US government propaganda proliferates on the net? Pretty scary
2 good sluts are better than 72 virgins
Sure! Once they start flying planes into civilian buildings, or shooting up soccer matches.
All this terrorism bullshit is done.
All lies. All fucking done.
First they pass CISA then they ask for Silicon Valley for help. FUCK the Government.
They have already done that or worse numbnuts.