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How To Talk About Mental Illness Online?
An anonymous reader writes: Shortly after the death of Debian founder Ian Murdock, Bruce Perens, who succeeded Murdock as Debian Project Leader in 1996 and was also Murdock's employer for a period of time, claimed very publicly that Murdock died of mental illness, although no evidence has been provided. Without referencing Murdock or Perens, another prominent Debian Developer, Daniel Pocock, has asserted that discussion about who has or had a mental illness is a step too far. To be fair, it sure doesn't sound like Perens was trying to do other than express sympathy in light of a tragic death.
of idiots, retards, trolls and whinny kids. Mental sickness here? Well, it feels like home!
I'm mentally ill and don't give a fuck. Thanks to socialism they'll take care of me on their dime and I get all the free meds and support I want.
If you want to keep mental illness stigmatized, insist it be kept a secret.
If I die of cancer, I won't have a problem with anybody talking about that. Same with a heart attack. Same with a mental illness.
A brain dysfunction can cause the affected quite a bit of suffering, but sympathy doesn't mean lying. There's no moral failing associated with, say, a neurotransmitter imbalance. These aren't attributed to demons in 2016 - we can see them on PET or fMRI. They're just as valid a medical problem as a broken arm, even if the science of treatment is still in its adolescence.
Now, people who belittle those with mental illness - they should be ostracized. It no better than taunting somebody who gets cancer.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
Then nuke up some popcorn, sit back, and watch the show.
no. just no. is it so fucking difficulT 2 ACCEPT THAT U CAN BE FAT & HEALTHY, U CISGENDER-ELITIST TRADITIONALIST!!!!!! dONT U SEE HOW OBJECTIFYING. BISEXUAL & DEMIROMANTIC TRANSWOMEN IS PROBLEMATIC?????? currently im a dogkin, so fucking address me as "thon/thon/thons" & not "tho/thong/thors"!!!!!!! im literally crying right. now, u thin-overprivileged basement dweller!!! adDRESS ME AS "ZE/ZIR/ZES"!!!!! () ur perpetUATING NON-ETHNIC SUPERIORITY & THIN ENTITLEMENT, U WHITE WOMYN-ELITIST SUBHUMAN!!!!!!! fucking white womyn-privileged ppl.
Slashdot is full of comedians again!
... it was aired long before this suicide, but provides lots of insight on why the situation is as it is: Episode on Youtube.
Oh right, mental illness contradicts the assumption that humans are informed rational actors on which under-regulated markets are based, so must be shamed or denied.
The first step requires a significant cultural change, which is always difficult. We collectively need to stop considering mental illness as a failure of character, a visitation by some imaginary deity/demon, or any of the other cruelly fallacious delusions out there. Truth is, the mind is extremely complex, very poorly understood, and probably never quite 'right' in the sense we would want it to be. In other words, we are all nucking futs and we had better learn to be more kind to each other.
After that first step, we most definitely should start talking, openly and kindly, about mental health online and in-person and in all social constructs.
Bent, folded, spindled, and mutilated.
If the person suffering is a man, deride and ridicule them. Men with mental illnesses are CREEPY and DANGEROUS. Report them to the police!
If the person suffering is a woman, be supportive even if they are displaying anti-social behavior. Women are BRAVE and VICTIMS. Give them money!
We should always reject and ignore demands/requests for consideration or special treatment of some topics in discussions that take in the general public. Maybe in the workplace it'd be good to avoid some topics, likewise at some special events, but otherwise talk and joke about whatever you want, and if someone must be ostracised it should be those trying to fence topics off rather than those who ignore the fences.
For every problem, there is at least one solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
fuck it. you make me sick!!! ACCEPT THAT MIDDLE CLASS FEMINISM KEEPS ME FROM HAVING ANY GODDAMN RIGHTS, YOU THIN-NORMATIVE ANTI-FEMINIST!!!!!!!! why do you reject multigender-aligned agnostics??????? WHY THE HELL SHOULD I RESPECT YOUR FUCKING TRUSCUM OPINION???????? your fucking MRA male-privileged opinion is literally worthless!!!!!! unfollow me right now.Fork me on GitHub
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Deuteronomy says kill her. He didn't obey the only God that bothers with this world. Hans Reiser doesn't obsess over the cunt he killed, he just works out every second of the day waiting for the time that he is out to continue removing bad influences.
>Divorce is one of the greatest evils in the modern world, literally people stealing years of your fucking life.
Do what Hans Reiser did.
Oh and marry young girls, not adult whores.
Obey Deuteronomy, not woman's law.
OH. MY. GOD. I LITERALLY HOPE YOU BLEED TO DEATH, YOU MALE-ELITIST CLASSIST!!!! QUIT BODY-POLICING SKOLIOSENSUAL-SUPPORTING MINORITIES, YOU CISHET-NORMATIVE CLASSIST!!!!!! acknowledge that my pronouns are "jee/jem/jeir"!!!!!!!! accept that i'm a goatkin today, you cis-elitist kyriarchist!!!! you cannot fight institutionalized gender roles, attractiveness obsession & uterus-bearer culture using male opinions.
It's a very big part of the American culture thing to need to fix everyone else.
This can be a very good thing, and I respect Bruce Perens for "daring" to "go there."
Donald Trump, in his own bombastic style also likes to point out broken things, but
he's less interested in fixing them and more interested in pointing out how he's not
broken. [ob mental illness the Donald is clearly a case of NPD waiting for diagnosis].
Bruce did the right thing because he brought a discussion to the forefront... and sure
enough here we are on Slashdot talking about it.
- Should a mental illness be treated any differently than Lamar Odom's condition... or
Patrick Swayze... or Steve Jobs... or... anyone who has a physical ailment? I don't
think so. They are all people and whether they suffer from a diseased liver, a drug
overdose, or a mental demon, they deserve our [something- is it attention, respect,
space, support, leave-them-alone-ingness, or even just a nod of the head saying
you're not going through this alone].
- Should we NOT discuss it, are we not then perpetuating the de-facto stigma that
mental illness is so bad we can't even talk about it... let alone offer help... or just
say we're there for that person.
I did not know the man himself but I respect greatly the contributions he made to my
daily life. (I use Mint Linux and Ubuntu, both of which are Debian variants).
My thought - there are lots of mentally diseased people running for office right now,
but Ian is no longer here.
May his soul rest in piece... and may a dialogue help others in similar situations.
Thanks, Bruce Perens.
Ehud Gavron
Tucson AZ
I'm mentally ill and don't give a fuck. Thanks to socialism they'll take care of me on their dime and I get all the free meds and support I want.
It's fine to make that decision about *your* mental issue. Making it about someone else's, at least while they're alive, is not okay, because it can cost them their job or career.
Especially if they ever hold or want to hold jobs with security clearances, or certain jobs with a very, very public profile where a company is especially sensitive to the PR around a role. A company is much less likely to hire you for a C-level position, for example, if people are openly discussing your mental issues online.
But also just if you make someone's mental issue come up in the first page of google hits, the chances of them making it past HR in the normal hiring process probably also drops at least 10%.
Given the present state of governmental and (in this case, probably more importantly) commercial and cultural surveillance and the ability to use anything that one ever says or discloses as a weapon against one's future self, it would seem rather ill considered for anyone to be overly open in this regard.
The culture of the internet is broken. Until it is fixed, many people are naturally going to avoid precisely the sort of honest personal discussion that might help them with difficult personal issues. Fixing this broken culture probably requires either assurances of strong anonymity, or assurances that what is disclosed non-anonymously will not be used in negative ways in the future by any other party. Both things seem difficult, the first possibly somewhat less than the second.
But as for now, it is broken. It was once not so. Now it is so. I hope someday it may be not so once again.
... or should see a doctor if none was prescribed, yet.
Saying he died from a mental illness should be taken literally.
People should be aware of that as, all can see, can be fatal.
There are so many people dealing with mental illness that it's ridiculous not to deal with it.
The worst thing you can do is to NOT get treatment or help.
*** Don't be dull.***
Means suicide or drug overdose...
I hope we can come up with a better way to talk about it.
Go to Tumblr.
Keywords: "the species", "this rock", "gravity cage", "get off this rock".
Bush, Clinton and McCain want to see more dead people in more foreign wars.
Now, please tell me - who is more dangerous ?
Is that what we call a cover up?
http://archive.is/vBS6N
He was already dead when someone began impersonating him on Twitter, hence no final blog post.
Subject is forbidden. No can do. Sorry. Better luck next time.
When you say "We collectively need to stop considering mental illness as a failure of character" you are certainly right, but it is a big problem that diagnostics of mental illness are far from being reproducable, objective, reliable, and evidence based.
Nobody doubts that there is such a thing as "mental illness", but there is a wide spectrum from "people whose behaviour is just outside the 90% percentile perceived 'normal'" to the clinically insane that pose an immediate threat to themselves and their surrounding if not sedated/restrained.
Those on the "almost normal" side of the spectrum will continue to be seen as flawed characters, no matter how good willing and educated a public discussion on mental health goes on. That's a reality unchangeable as long as "mental illness" is not an undisputable 0/1 diagnosis.
Bruce doesn't know he died of a mental illness. They weren't close, they weren't even friends. He doesn't know if he was mentally ill. I suspect he was, but who knows. Maybe he was taking some crazy drug. Maybe that was his true personality. The problem with mental illness is that the line isn't straight. If you have cancer, you have cancer. It isn't as clear as mental illness. I have people I thought were mentally ill, but what do I know about what is "normal"? Hell, I might be crazy. After all, I visit this site often and every time I do I get a bit crazier.
http://www.uncommon-knowledge.co.uk/articles/strings-psychopathy.html
there are lots of them who know they are ill and wat the sympathy you would give to someone truly in distress and i need of psychological help...
The internet is just the latest place for political discussion.
VERY serious stuff is done here.
Some people say the internet is the place where DECISIONS ARE MADE. I tend to agree.
For example, Kadaffi's death warrant was written down in the internet. I personally was part of it and I do not regret it. Kadaffi was a bastard who killed for pleasure. He killed people of my nation. Therefore I strongly supported the death warrant.
For operational reasons I will not go into the details here, but I can assure you this is not a phantasy of mine.
There exist places where very powerful people meet and serious decisions are made.
Do you really think the internet can be "free of government" and "free of intelligence agencies" ???
A goddamn expert at everything... Who knew?
Partly because so little is known about the brain/mind. With something like a heart attack or a murder, there's a fairly clear sequence of cause-effect relationships that start with an known and end with a known. With mental illness, the genetics are obscure and too complex to fathom out by any conventional methods. Genetics aren't, however, the only contributing factor. Epigenetics, chemical signals, environment (including stimuli) right the way through life, it's a nightmare.
There are already 1,100 genes - not SNPs, genes - linked to the brain and 23&Me typically links about 50 SNPs of interest to each gene. That's 55,000 possible mutations, which gives you 2^55000 (10^16500) different combinations. In comparison, there are only 7x10^9 people alive on the planet (which means you can't get good resolution data on how variables interact, even if you studied everyone alive today) and about 10^100 atoms in the universe (which means that you'd nowhere to store sufficient data even if you could obtain it). That's just the genetic contribution, nothing else. What the everything else is, and how it relates, is only known in vague details. That's why news stories on yet another breakthrough are commonplace.
To make things worse, culture hasn't yet caught up to the idea there even is a theory of mind. It's still in some sort of Die Hard - Neolithic stage. Medicine isn't much better, the DSM manual has absolutely bugger all to do with what conditions and illnesses exist, it's about what tag the insurance should be billed under. The American psychiatric association is too busy digging its way out of the threat of criminal charges over direct assistance and fraudulent financial dealings to worry about anyone who is actually sick. The NHS can't afford anything more complex than a door-stop, right now, so don't expect Britain to haul anyone out of this mess. (Britain actually has a fairly good reputation on theoretical and practical psychiatric and neurological treatments, or at least it used to. Now, it's about on equal footing to Zimbabwe.) Australia has a Centre of the Mind, but it looks like it's a long way from getting anywhere - if it does at all. Some of its research seems iffy.
So there's no useful categorization, no meaningful theory, no known mechanics, superficial treatments for only certain diagnoses with rather suspect evidence to back them, no systematic approach towards system analysis, triage or debugging. Not even a definition of what a bug is.
The information in this post plus the fact that I've been here a long time aught to allow anyone here to identify (in very superficial terms) one out of the eight diagnoses I endure. Won't help you, won't help me. Those diagnoses aren't useful if you do want to help anyone, because each is subject to an overlapping combinatorial explosion. No, if you want to be helpful, there are citizen science projects for exploring the brain that will benefit the experts and there are probably insights the deep enthusiasts can contribute somehow by exploring databases and literature from perspectives that aren't obvious to researchers.
When it comes to interacting - understand, respect and listen. Oh, and don't fetishize any principle other than first doing no harm. Every other ethic, philosophy or cultural belief should be expendable if it contradicts that. Consider it a mandatory access control.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Welcome to Slashdot! You came to the right place for that.
Left MS Windows for Linux Mint and never looked back!
Vote for Bernie in 2016!
It's okay Bruce. We know you're the anonymous submitter here.
I am a developer/IT guy who has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. It is still heavily stigmatized and has directly affected my career.
Bruce falls out in a major way with Ian, toxic as he says, and then, under this guise, manages to kick the poor guys still warm body to the gutter.
I used to have some respect for Bruce.
But fuck you Bruce. You have shown the world you true colors.
Who has never, ever had a cough, a fever, a muscle pull?
The term "Mental Illness", till today, still has the taboo that has the 'permanence' stigma tagged on it, but in truth, 'mental illness' like all other illnesses, could be big, permanent, or small, temporary
One could suffer from an illness that never goes away, a permanent handicap - similarly one could suffer from a mental illness that will stick for the entire lifetime
On the other hand, one could have a cold that goes away in a short while, and one could also be depressed which goes away in a few days
I am a geek, and I have been with many other geeks in my lifetime, and the one thing that makes geeks so geeky ... is from something deep inside our psyche which drives us to behave so differently
Many of us had (and still have) to endure all kinds of insult from the world at large because of our own geekiness, and most of us suffered untold rounds of bullyings by those who think they are 'better' than us --- but still, we tough it out, come hell or high water, and remain as geeky as ever ... WHY?
I wouldn't call geekiness 'mental illness' per se, but if we are to look from the logical perspective, why the geek insist on acting 'geeky' when the very act of 'geekiness' attracts bullies in pounce on them, not very far from waving red cloth in front of bulls attracting their attention?
The fact that we geeks remain geeks because of our illogical mental state, and it is that illogical conclusion that lead to our seemingly endless sufferings, at the hands of the bullies
In short ... who can say they never, ever, suffer from mental illness?
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
psychopaths categorically do not "suffer" from mental illness. ,they have a thrid less grey and white matter in their ovverall brains which is clearly indicative of a very different growth and development during pre and post natal stages. ..
they do however have an incurable unchanging deficit of common empathy and the brain structures associated with this attribute, (parts of the forebrain , limbic system and amygdalae are shrunken and misshpaen , oddly connected
The behavioural traits of these individuals if spotted early in childhood are called "calllous conduct disorder" similar and analogous to psychopathy in adulthood but the hop eis early identification and maagement of the child condition and antisocual aspects , proper boundaries maintained the callous disordered child does not always become the adult psychopath , often they do despite intervetion and all efforts
oce in adulthood no treatment is advised and they con their therapists into thiking the treatmet has worked..
when it hasnt their behaviour of ot criminal doest change and the recidivism rate of the psychopath in the crimanl field? is higher with "treatment" of any kind than without.
They do not suffer, talk to one.. ask one,,,
they often will give quite pompous and candid answers about how your "crazy " and they are not..
and they arent...they are morally insane.,,itrs very differnet.
Nobody willing to talk about it?
Ian Murdock
Aaron Schwartz
Ilya Zhitomirskiy
(Just to name a few...)
I'm happy enough to talk about mental illness, but there is a good reason that newspapers in Australia rarely publicize suicides. Unlike getting cancer, suicides can inspire similar behaviour in people who are close to the edge. This is especially the case if the suicide is an attempt to get attention, which this one appears to be. We don't want to encourage people to think of suicide as a good way to get attention.
http://perens.com/blog/2016/01... (article written just after the death of ian who had trouble in his love life and is depicted as a geek)
So this story says: girls are unwelcome in free software because THESE boys have a tendancy for lacking of social skills. And these boys MUST do the effort.
Turning it the right way bruce is outing the community for a heavy presence of trait that is called sociopathy, one of the trait associated with geeks and asperger/autists. Trait weirdly enough stupidly associated with ease of dealings with patterns, abstraction and manipulation of these.
Cow superpower supposed to make you a better coder (like ian? theo de raadt? Feynman? Einstein?).
Yes mr perens is saying:
girls are not welcomed because of Aspergers/autists... which when USA finds it good for pharmacy company are ill, sometimes criminals when the police kill them and when insurance do not wish to pay the medi carebills totally fine.
I don't care if they are ills, criminals, normals, sociopaths. But I will just reason by the **absurd** to prove this guy is an ASS.
I say that in schools when it is the age of sexual awareness, these kids are sided out. Like in a good teen movie.
There are not fit to be good males. They are not alpha male, they are beta male.
Sexuality awareness for the unfit comes with being sided and ostracized. Weirdly enough austitstics/asperger's have another trait forgotten. Because they lack of this social skills they discriminate less than average. And the kookoos I have seen in FOSS used to herald the fundamental non discrimination as a core value of free software. Like a "safe place" to be. FOSS if he is right on the assumption that it is related to sociopathy, has been made a safe place for the handicaped of social unwritten signals ... and seduction. A power leveler for girls in science, labs. The only stuff that helps break the glass ceiling.
Let me ask you about the chicken egg problem with a limited number of iterations. At one point : fingers can be pointed.
Women are lacking of solidarity and empathy when it comes to other teenagers. Maybe it is the fault of their education or parents. Maybe all girls are not bornt bitches. But, with 90% males aspergers/autists and a clear discrimination during early sex life and apparently a better tolerance than average for the aspies regarding differences why do you think women are being ostracized by adult geeks?
Mental illness is like any other differences when it result in harm through the eyes of society: it becomes a handicap.
The harm does not come from the difference, but from the social accepted behaviour and early in their life women are totally encouraged by their parents/friends to ostracized the unfit. Their parents/friends may pressure them to drop the weirdos like a kleenex. Now that geeks are wealthy they want a share of the cake and invade a place for the socially awkward that probably got a loadshit of rejections in their early days.. Boys that suffered of their sociopathy especially in their sex life. Geeks are victims. (still in the context I absurdly accept the postulate of the essay)
I would agree like in the essay something has to change, and that differences should be better accepted (all of them).
I am saying that bums that are often sick should not die on the streets, I am saying that poor people should not be kept in misery and brushed away from the economy, I am saying that coloured people should not be over represented in prisons, that muslims are as nice as puritans, jews, catholics, and protestants.
But as long as the society in which women are DEMOGRAPHICALLY a majority does not change their views towards minorities it is unfair to wish to open a safe haven for a minority of people that suffered discrimination and are probably still healing.
We may improve the situation for the next kids in school, but leave the one that have been burnt heal in their
To me, the only surprising thing is that they would take the trouble to find out from something like alcoholism. I think tracing people out like that should be reserved for crimes, bit 'taint necessarily so.
I said it then, I'll say it again. Before I retired, I would never ever ever have gone to a website about alcoholism, mental illness, or suicide.
If I had, and after they traced me out, my job would have given me a choice of being fired, or seeking treatment. Even with treatment, my job would have forever changed.
What is worse, although my alcohol is limited to less than 1 adult beverage per month, I would at that point be required to pretend actually having a drinking problem, or else I would be branded as resisting treatment. Gar, sounds like a basis for a novel.
People need to quit treating the web as a private place. It isn't. Get help if you need it, but go through channels that will give you a bit of privacy.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Ian Murdock 5h5 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @StrawberrySabre abcolucity i'll tweet it or twitch it or whenever the rufk can i have 30 minutes toe wtie my suittyes ? Ian Murdock 5h5 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @littleidea And what is that? I'll give you title to Google it. Ian Murdock 5h5 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @NAACP Please contact me. I'm white, rich, and they did the same thing they've done to the blacks. imurdock@imurdock.com Ian Murdock 5h5 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @NAACP Please contact me. I'm write, rich, and they did the same thing they've done to the blacks. imurdock@imurdock.com Ian Murdock 5h5 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock I am a white male, make a lot money, pay a lot of money in taxes, and yet their abuse is equally doned out. DO NOT CROSS THEM! Ian Murdock 5h5 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @littleidea who are you? you seem to have a lot of opinions about me Ian Murdock 5h5 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock This was right after the female officer ripped off my underwear.. I guess that's not considered rape if you're not a woman being raped. Ian Murdock 5h5 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock "We're the police, we can do whatever the fuck we want.." Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock What does one have to get education wise to become a police officer.. asking for a friend. Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @imurdock @kairyssdal I'm a big fan. The police beat me up last night and sent me to the hospital..can you help me? Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock The rest of my life is to fight against the police.. they are NOT friends, so don't ever ever believe otherwise. Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock The police are uneducated, evil, and sadistic. Do not trust them. Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock (2/2) They are uneducated, bitter, and and only interested in power for its own sake. Contact me imurdock@imurdock.com if you can help. -ian Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock (1/2) The rest of my life will be devoted to fighting against police abuse.. I'm white, I made $1.4 million last year, Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock i'm hoping coming from a successful white guy it will help everyone Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock i'm going to post my case on my blog.. if anyone can post it on hacker news or wherever i would apprieciate it Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @jackstormwriter hates athiests Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @jackstormwriter wants me very very dead Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @jackstormwriter wants me very dead Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @jackstormwriter wants me dead Ian Murdock 6h6 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @jacksormwriter wants me dead Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @jackstormwriter What you have fucking done for humanity? Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @jackstormwriter How the fuck are you? Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @jackstormwriter You the fuck are you to call me any kinds of names.. what have you fucking done? Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @jackstormwriter Fuck you Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @jackstormwriter You're a lawyer, yes? Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock Writing up my experience for others to hopefully prevent others from police abuse then you won't hear from me again Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock @jackstormwriter Never had any rights read to me. Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock where they put you in a cell with absolutely no instructions whatever aside from the spell on the floor in piss? Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock shall i post pictures for all my bruises from my against the police officers? Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock they said no Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock i asked if they had cameras Ian Murdock 7h7 hours ago Ian Murdock @imurdock then followed my home from there Ian Murd
I am like many of you -- I love Drupal, I love Bootstrap, I appreciate the accessibility tags in HTML5 and how they finally allow a developer to address screen readers in a standardized way.
But I also have bipolar disorder. The Internet provides real life flame wars for my nervous system to engage in when hyped up, and an endless round of people to ill-advisedly e-mail when I am feeling down.
Both LGBT issues and diagnoses are in fact valid things to be aware of. Mental illness is a disability. While there are perks to being bipolar, it does change the way I am, and I really do benefit in the vast majority of cases from letting people know.
apt-get unity
Bruce's statement is factual (or if not, it certainly APPEARS factual), and is meant to be kind. Stop manufacturing offense.
When someone dies, it's simple respect to his friends and admirers to report the cause and circumstance of his death. From the reports of Murdock's death, it was indisputable that something went very, very wrong in his brain.
Calling someone rude for saying so, presupposes that one is revealing a shameful situation. Not only is that ludicrous, it disrespects the dead. Dude got sick and died. Shouldn't we talk about how to help the next person who gets sick avoid dying?
Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion.
The U.S. government is EXTREMELY corrupt in some areas. A few areas of corruption:
Finance: in 2008, banks were allowed to steal from taxpayers. Bank managers were rewarded with extremely high pay: The Divide. "New York Times bestseller -- Named one of the best books of the year by the Washington Post, NPR, and Kirkus Reviews".
Health care: The new health care system will further bankrupt the country. The ACA, Affordable Care Act, is NOT affordable. #1 Best Seller: America's Bitter Pill: Money, Politics, Back-Room Deals, and the Fight to Fix Our Broken Healthcare System.
Prison system: The U.S. has the largest percentage of its citizens in prison, of any country, in any century. The prison system is hugely profitable for prison corporations. ACLU: With only 5% of the world's population, the U.S. has 25% of the world's prison population. ThinkProgress: The United States Has The Largest Prison Population In The World -- And It's Growing.
Violence: The U.S. government has killed, or caused the death of, an estimated 11,000,000 people since the end of the 2nd world war. War is extremely profitable for some corporations: House of Bush, House of Saud by Craig Unger. Bush and Cheney started a war that was profitable for them.
Who has never, ever had a cough, a fever, a muscle pull?
The term "Mental Illness", till today, still has the taboo that has the 'permanence' stigma tagged on it, but in truth, 'mental illness' like all other illnesses, could be big, permanent, or small, temporary
One could suffer from an illness that never goes away, a permanent handicap - similarly one could suffer from a mental illness that will stick for the entire lifetime
On the other hand, one could have a cold that goes away in a short while, and one could also be depressed which goes away in a few days
I am a geek, and I have been with many other geeks in my lifetime, and the one thing that makes geeks so geeky ... is from something deep inside our psyche which drives us to behave so differently
Many of us had (and still have) to endure all kinds of insult from the world at large because of our own geekiness, and most of us suffered untold rounds of bullyings by those who think they are 'better' than us --- but still, we tough it out, come hell or high water, and remain as geeky as ever ... WHY?
I wouldn't call geekiness 'mental illness' per se, but if we are to look from the logical perspective, why the geek insist on acting 'geeky' when the very act of 'geekiness' attracts bullies in pounce on them, not very far from waving red cloth in front of bulls attracting their attention?
The fact that we geeks remain geeks because of our illogical mental state, and it is that illogical conclusion that lead to our seemingly endless sufferings, at the hands of the bullies
In short ... who can say they never, ever, suffer from mental illness?
If you have a mental illness you have an illness. That is all.
Any problems or baggage people dump on that illness is theirs and not yours.
I have at least two "mental" illnesses. These are treated, much like my high cholesterol and prostrate issues. I see no reason why these issues differ from one another. If anything I'd think Americans might consider prostrate problems a bigger secret than mental illness, given their issues with guns and large cars. Just saying.
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Deuteronomy says kill her. He didn't obey the only God that bothers with this world. Hans Reiser doesn't obsess over the cunt he killed, he just works out every second of the day waiting for the time that he is out to continue removing bad influences.
>Divorce is one of the greatest evils in the modern world, literally people stealing years of your fucking life.
Do what Hans Reiser did.
Oh and marry young girls, not adult whores.
Obey Deuteronomy, not woman's law.
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There are two cides: homocide and suicide.
Ian chose Suicide and is known as a cuck now.
While Reiser becomes Legend
I was going to write a reply about how one could do it on YouTube, because the new hip thing to do is to call everyone autistic, here in Sweden and old such phase is "CP" for cerebral pares and also "mongo" for retarded / down-syndrome.
But since the first comment was serious I'll make a twist and go serious and just say that people joking with those comments don't help. I'm 36 and strong enough in myself that it doesn't matter to me but for someone in their teens they likely don't want to bring up any mental flaws and issues when it's always made a joke and used as a degrading term.
Mental conditions are normal. Don't try to control or fuck with something normal.
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Stay silent; it is the message that is clearly being shouted today from the hill very loudly and clear! To speak of anything that might have a stigma of mental illness means the risk of a losing your liberty and freedoms. With the current assault on 2nd amendment; more people will forgo treatment than risk having their rights trampled on.
If this guy was a criminal who died in prison because of his condition.
Mental Illness takes faith to understand. It's nothing like a broken bone, or collapsed lung where someone can say "wow, that sucks" by looking at you or an image. Mental illness can't be seen, and really with as much as we know about the mind much is really unknown. Every mental illness effects people differently. Hell, nerve damage in general impacts everyone differently for that matter.
Not being able to see things makes mental illness a target for abuse. People abusing the trust of people leads to suspicions about whether or not a person is really ill, and ridicule and humiliation for people caught abusing trust.
The real world problems you mention don't change much from physical to mental. Smokers, people with bad hearts, people with diabetes, etc.. all pay more for insurance and may become a liability at work. A carpenter with heart disease probably won't be on the job very long, just like your job would not be sustainable with a mental illness. Sucks, but not really when you think it all through.
Anyway, long story long. The stigmas associated with various mental illnesses don't become easy to break down. Open dialogue sure will help all aspects though.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Important detail, because the Internethappens to be global.
What is a mental health issue and how to deal with it is not globally defined. As in scientific classification systems from the USA (RCDC), UK (HRCS) and AU (FOR) having a completely different "mental health" category.
Hi Bill,
Ian was someone we should mourn, and we should not be discussing his problems due to this Daniel person. We can't help Ian now, although we can help other people who have his problems.
I was not Ian's employer. I was, however, the chairman of the board of Progeny Linux Systems for a while, and my company arranged the initial $5 Million capitalization of Progeny. I had no real control of the company, the investors were the Simon group, known for their shopping malls.
I will give you one sad fact about Ian which is concrete. Ian was arrested in Indianapolis in 2009 for three counts of battery, one of criminal confinement, one of public intoxication.
The encounter with police before his death was a continuation of Ian's previous behavior. The guy is dead, he did some great stuff, he had problems. Let's not drag him through the gutter further.
Bruce Perens.
...Perens is a giant dick.
What do we know about Murdock's death? He had an altercation with a neighbor who for all we know had his stereo blaring and that something happened to Murdock in police custody which shook him badly: allegedly that he was beaten and maybe raped with a baton. So who doesn't Peren volunteer for a good beating and ass rape and see if he can maintain a stiff upper lip after? If not Peren should keep his speculation to himself and let the coroner and DA do their jobs.
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How To Talk About Mental Illness Online?
Easy: Blah dooby dooby dooby whing bang .... I'm a tea pot.
Usually being open about ones life is a good thing, when surrounded by good people. But not everyone is good. Some see opportunity in someone who is "gone mentally anyhow", human tests of pharmaceuticals come to mind. And some don't know they were used as a test person. Really they should get compensation if that comes to light. I've had 3 or 4 different medications in my mental illness life, some I disfavor because they made me hungry all the time and I gained a lot of weight. The consequences of something like that may be worse to someone else, it doesn't really bother me. I'm more focused around the time when I can reduce my medication. It's been over a decade that I've taken these meds. My doctor doesn't know to tell me that I have to keep taking these for decades to come. And no compensation at all from anyone. You don't chose this life, it chooses you. And you have to deal with the set-backs that it comes with. Thank goodness I was born in a 1st world nation that's all I can say.
They don't own him. You can't own someone who ceased existing, and even a living person doesn't belong to anybody but themselves. Free speech is a thing. People who interacted with someone who killed himself in what appears to be a deranged episode must be able to talk about it, especially since they can no longer talk with him. If psychological terms aren't allowed for laypeople, what kind of terms should we use when describing someone's apparent state of mind? Go back to religious? No thanks.
I got modded 0, flamebait for suggesting exactly this about Ian Murdock: http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
So yeah, even though the signs are written all over the friggin' wall, people don't like to hear about it. They think you're being mean, not realizing, or not wanting to know, that not talking about it is actually the mean thing to do.
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
There are multiple problems with mental illness:
As psychologists and slashdotters here have indicated, there's few metrics for what is a mental illness. There was even an experiment where provably sane people were put in insane asylum and its staff confirmed each (sane) patient had a certain mental illness.
There's little cause to effect for mental illness, making treatment difficult.
Mental illness, unlike a broken arm, is difficult to see and impossible to calculate its daily/weekly effect.
Mental illness also affects our character, or more importantly, perception of our character (honesty, violence, drug addiction, financial/emotional stability, commitment/loyalty efforts). So to avoid being misjudged and labelled, harassed, or even fired from work, people can't talk about their mental illness.
The majority still see many mental illnesses (eg. depression, addiction, anorexia/bulimia) as not serious and probably self-inflicted.
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By posting this and not mentioning events in his twitter stream, you are completely ignoring the fact he was beaten up by the police. In all likelihood, if he hadn't been beaten up by the police, Ian Murdock would be alive today.
Perens was the same guy who made the post about tech guys being abusive of women. How do we know that he and Ian didn't have some kind of feud going on, with Perens using some kind of social justice view as a weapon? How do we know the arrest wasn't somehow tied into that? After all, Perens here is claiming that Ian died of mental illness, with no proof whatsoever, essentially damning him after death without giving him any benefit of the doubt.
There are a ton of questions that have NOT been answered.
1. Was that actually Ian posting?
2. What happened, and what were the background details?
At this point, I don't think that Perens is a source we should be using.
Not socialism. The difference is really simple. Communism is public ownership of the means of production. Socialism is govt regulation of income inequality to prevent abuses, slavery by wages and ensure a minimum and humane standard of life. Don't fall for the propaganda. We can make the world a better place for everyone.
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A certain amount of geekiness may be Autism Spectrum Disorder, which is considered a mental illness, and not a curable one, although smart people with ASD can learn to fake normality. If I cared to be evaluated, I think I'd likely get an ASD diagnosis, but at this stage of life I see absolutely no benefit in such a diagnosis.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Someone who speaks rationally about mental illness on the internet? Sir, if I had points, I would break the system to give you all of them.
My mistake. The 1st line: ..."
is a quote from the grandparent comment and should have been in an italic font.
"... I'm mentally ill and don't give a fuck