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Hackers and Heroes: A Tale of Tech Communities In Two Countries (hackaday.com)

szczys writes: "Hackers" — people who non-maliciously test the limits of technology — have a very different societal standing depending on the country they live in. To illustrate the concept, consider the history of hackers in the United States versus those in Germany. Both communities have their genesis with the telecom systems of the 1980's, when hackers were called Phone Phreakers and traded secrets on telephone system exploits. These groups were the earliest to test the security and vulnerability of the burgeoning Internet, but their paths diverged. Hackers in Germany formed political parties while in the US they were targeted by law enforcement. The result is two very different communities filled with highly skilled individuals, but one must fly under the radar while the other enjoys much wider open acceptance.

27 comments

  1. silly premise by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >> Hackers in Germany formed political parties while in the US they were targeted by law enforcement

    Can we mod the article as +1 Funny? Hackers ARE also targeted by law enforcement in Deutschland...

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=german+ha...

    1. Re:silly premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> Hackers in Germany formed political parties while in the US they were targeted by law enforcement

      Can we mod the article as +1 Funny? Hackers ARE also targeted by law enforcement in Deutschland...

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=german+ha...

      Let's also not overlook the fact that "hackers" run political parties in the US too.

      The layman term would be "crook" or "thief", but the politically correct crowd likes to title them "financial director". They're damn good at hacking money. Almost took the whole fucking system out in 2008 in fact...

    2. Re:silly premise by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      You don't seem to know the difference between a hacker and a cracker. Off to digg you go now ...

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    3. Re:silly premise by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Also in the US, I don't think that people like Steve Wozniak or Richard Feynman were targeted for very long by law enforcement officials.

      Now don't get me wrong, I am sure that the FBI kept a file on both those individuals. It's just that they both became part of the establishment (even they chose not create their own political party).

    4. Re:silly premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this one!

      - Hacker(n) - One who breaks into computer systems
      - Cracker(n) - A white male (esp. one trying to act like they are from a different culture)

    5. Re:silly premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't create political parties. You buy them. They in turn have to buy your vote.

      And doesn't Germany have all those laws against the possession of "hacker" tools? They hardly seem computer friendly.

    6. Re: silly premise by ememisya · · Score: 1

      Because here in the US, the gumment hacks you! It's really a culture thing, hackers are akin to lawyers for computers who find loopholes. Some exploit said loopholes, others simply point out the loopholes saying, "Hey! Your data is showing." So the outlook is one of attitude, if you cause damage with your hacks, big bag hacker will Hulk smash. If you're nice, you better remain nice, you little rascal you! Seems to be the system here. It's sort of working in a David vs. Goliath kind of way, which is the best we can expect.

    7. Re: silly premise by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "the gumment hacks you"
      Yes the "turned by entrapment" is a huge tool in the West. You are let out, free to create a network, forum, chat site, huge front company over decades to attract and bring in a lot more people globally.
      Big bands with tainted leadership pushing broken junk encryption, total logging or never comment on government/mil optical allowed to run deep behind any brand listed protections, deep into the plain text networks of their "secure" servers.
      Get to the next generation of emerging leadership early, every new brand is tame when the mil or federal gov has a suggestion or request.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    8. Re:silly premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The writer obviously thinks that Apple (of blue box fame) is targeted by law enforcement and has to fly under the Radar.

    9. Re:silly premise by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

      Also in the US, I don't think that people like Steve Wozniak or Richard Feynman were targeted for very long by law enforcement officials.

      Aaron Swartz was

    10. Re:silly premise by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Wow Germany has political parties for script kiddies??

      --

      Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.

  2. I grew up in the 80's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was involved in some of this...at least knew some of the people mentioned in teh summary, and this is crap. Why is slashdot trying to push politics into everything?

  3. This, exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a site full of nerds, there are a lot of dimwits here who don't understand how language works.

    The meaning ascribed to words is directly controlled by the speakers at large of that language.

    Y'all lost the fight over the word hacker. You start spewing 'cracker', nobody's going to take you seriously unless you're talking about Donald Trump.

    Deal with it.

    1. Re:This, exactly. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Oh. Isn't it cute. Two ACs fellating each other.

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  4. I suppose there were no hackers prior t the 1980s by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    MIT Railroad Club?

    Thomas Edison?

    Probably Zog the Wheek Maker too.

    Someone has lost a lot of history.

  5. Re:I suppose there were no hackers prior t the 198 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The big difference tinks from previous generations didn't really have the capability (or at least weren't considered to) to substantially subvert existing power structures.

    Now we are a point where a small group of people could have a devastating affect worldwide. Personal power has grown exponentially compared to expansive powers of money and influence.

    Smarter people try to corral hackers to serve their own ends, while others simply play-out threat scenarios to their logical conclusion.

  6. Hackers are Programmers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Hacking away at code late at night.

    You must be referring to "Crackers".

    The youth these days!

  7. Why form a new party... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when you can buy one?

    In the US, tech wealth has lead to massive political power that Germany's CCC and other political groups can only dream of.

  8. Re:I suppose there were no hackers prior t the 198 by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Networking as a computer function was more an elite educational project that had to be granted per seat access too. Vetting, an academic feel to well educated students ensured only the people with trust would be allowed near emerging, advanced networks.
    To upset that trust would be to remove or risk the access granted after years of good grades and study. Security clearances also acted as top down academic gate keepers. The university could lose funding, grands and staff access to advance projects with never ending or questioned funding.
    Staff looked after their own projects, status, gov grants and funding to ensure that many did not even know of advanced projects until mil/gov or commercial release decades later.
    The Vietnam war also played its part in shaping US academic freedom and access to advanced gov funding computing projects. A lot of top US academia got a lot of funding as contractors for advanced networking, communications systems, global digital computer links in the 1960's to 1970's.
    Random students, the press, political leaders did not get a look in on that emerging mil and gov data collection and networking.
    The only private global network that was easy to access was the phone network.
    This was a time when other very advanced nations still used paper index cards and had a few networked super computers.
    ie the US was going to let the wider world discover the "internet" and global digital databases a decade or two later.
    No US student was going to get to sit down, understand, play with and then write a paper on the US mil side of US academic networking.

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  9. "The Cuckoo's Egg" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This enormously influential book by Cliff Stoll pretty much set the negative perception of "Hackers" in the United States. Stoll exposed a Spy Ring loosely affiliated with... wait for it... The Chaos Computer Club, in the 1980's. "Wargames" was fiction of course, and everybody knew it. "The Cuckoo's Egg" scared the hell out of a lot of people.
    Note that I am a "Hacker" from way back. The "Good" kind, and the University holds the Patents. It's the Lids, Kids, and Space Cadets that ruined the name.

    1. Re:"The Cuckoo's Egg" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read that book when it came out. Hackers had a bad name in the media before that.

  10. Slashdot has spoken. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know the article's a crock when it garners only 21 (now 22) comments. Apathy FTW!

  11. Sigh.... by deerpig · · Score: 1

    Hackers were not called Phreakers. Hackers were called hackers, which had nothing to do with malicious activities. It was the mainstream media that twisted the term because they didn't understand the difference between hacking, cracking and whatever the idiot script kiddies thought they were cutting and pasting at the time.... When I was starting out in Unix in the 80's you weren't allowed to call yourself a hacker unless someone who was a master of their craft called you that first. I'll never forget the first time that my mentor, a hacker working for Motorolla in Hong Kong introduced me at a conference in front of a large audience as a Unix Hacker. It was, and should still be a point of pride. Hacking is a method and philosophy of learning and problem solving that flattens hierarchies and cuts across disciplinary borders whose roots date back to the days of WWII project based weapons research and development.