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Distant Supernova Is the Most Powerful Ever Detected (osu.edu)

schwit1 writes: Newly published research into a supernova under observation since June has found it to be the most powerful known to modern science. "This one, called ASASSN-15lh, is about 3.8 billion light years away, 200 times more powerful than most supernovas, and twice as bright as the previous record holder. It shines 20 times brighter than the combined output of the Milky Way's 100 billion stars, and in the last six months, it has spewed as much energy as the sun would in 10 lifetimes, says Krzysztof Stanek of the Ohio State University, co-principal investigator of the All Sky Automated Survey for SuperNovae (ASAS-SN) network that spotted the explosion." The explosion doesn't fit well with current theories of supernova energy release, so astronomers are working to figure out its unusual mechanics.

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  1. Ohh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I watched this earlier this week on Heroes Reborn!

    [Jokes aside, stories like this remind you of just how small a part we play in this big old universe]

  2. By orders of magnitude, which means stuff. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's interesting that the burst was missing the Hydrogen and Helium spectral bands. This is perhaps the most monitored "major" cosmological event near enough to see in realtime.

    1. Re: By orders of magnitude, which means stuff. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe fusion switched to fission?

    2. Re: By orders of magnitude, which means stuff. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it just ran out of hydrogen and helium fusion fuel to create heat and pressure to resist gravitational collapse. Then everything falls inwards, then explodes.

    3. Re: By orders of magnitude, which means stuff. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Note that the 56Ni Gamma lines were seen, but lasted longer than normal models predict, which means that by some process, 56Ni was continuing to be produced.
      No theory or model currently can account for this. (56Ni->56Co->56Fe with a total half life of ~83 days. Significant 56Ni was still being seen after six months.)

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    4. Re:By orders of magnitude, which means stuff. by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      3.8 billion years ago it was real time. in another 3.8 billion years we will know what it looks like today.
      I'd put that in my calendar but I don't know if I should trust Google with the information...
      The event is so unusual, it makes me wonder if someone 3.8 billion light years away said "Hey, what would happen if we fire the Death Star at that Super Nova over there?"

      In any event, the Gamma Ray data will hopefully have some clues for us.

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    5. Re: By orders of magnitude, which means stuff. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dammit, this should have been "Score:5, Mind Blown".
      This is entirely new Astrophysics, which is as yet to have a commonly agreed upon Standard Model. It's still a young field...

      The Helium... ...Carbon...Oxygen...Neon...Magnesium...Silicon...Sulfer... ...Iron Model works extraordinarily well... except for all those pesky long lived odd Isotopes. Mass 8 is particularly troubling, as there should be shitloads of it; there ain't. Successive accumulation of 4He explains everything with the common Isotopes, except for Mass 8. The shorter that Isotope lasted, the bigger footprint it should have made.
      In Primordial Nucleosynthesis, 6Li and 7Li play a huge part, but they can't explain the odd low-z Isotopes entirely; at the energies involved all of the derivative Isotopes take a long time to form, at minimal, (Bethe among others predicted, Ghiorso confirmed.), energies. Are there Lithium Gamma signatures for ASASSN-15lh?
      The 56Ni->56Co->56Fe Sequence explains a lot, but it doesn't end there. Primordial Nucleosynthesis doesn't end there either, it just gets increasingly unlikely. But still possible.

      As I mentioned, still a young field. What we have now to investigate it, is roughly equal to what Newton had, when he polished his first mirror to look up at night, in comparison.

  3. Re:I bet it involves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It wasn't due to systemd because the star behaved according to scientific understanding of star lifecycles.

    A systemd star would have some nutty failure mode that inconvenienced a normally predictable local system / galaxy.

  4. I'm not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not saying that it's aliens... But it's aliens.

    1. Re:I'm not by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      It's just a garbage pod, Rimmer.

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    2. Re:I'm not by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      I was hoping to see this post. :^)

      Good work.

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  5. obviously... by oddtodd · · Score: 1

    it's two black holes merging

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    1. Re:obviously... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      So the merging black holes gone from suck to blow?

    2. Re:obviously... by oddtodd · · Score: 1

      Now that I think about it, a supernova is just a failed black hole, no?
      Maybe this was a successful one.

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    3. Re: obviously... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

    4. Re:obviously... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Now that I think about it, a supernova is just a failed black hole, no?

      When a star runs out of fuel, it explodes as a supernova. Sometimes the supernova collapses to become a neutron star or a pulsar. A large star that goes supernova might collapse into a small black hole.

      As for my original comment, it was a reference to Spaceballs.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXOAc5yt218

    5. Re:obviously... by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Only true for large stars. The Sun for example will not explode but rather end up as a white dwarf slowly cooling down until eventually it is dark.

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    6. Re:obviously... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. A white dwarf that goes dark becomes a black dwarf, which currently none exist in the universe as it takes a quadrillion years to happen. The oldest white dwarf stars are about 12 billion years old.

  6. Maybe a galaxy core exploding by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Funny

    This could be a magnetar or this could be an event that would prompt the Pierson's Puppeteers to start a massive migration.

    1. Re:Maybe a galaxy core exploding by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Some twit marked this 'redundant'? He must have simply seen the word "magnetar" and thought you were repeating the article. Never even heard of the puppeteers, I bet.

      Damn illiterate kids nowadays.

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    2. Re:Maybe a galaxy core exploding by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      No, it's not that, there are people here who make it a point to mod my comments down to prevent me from being able to make too many comments. As long as most of my comments are pushed down, I cannot effectively participate in discussions, since the number of comments is limited to two or three a day.

    3. Re:Maybe a galaxy core exploding by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Sorry to hear that. I don't care if I agree with your comments or not, you have the right to state your opinion.

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    4. Re:Maybe a galaxy core exploding by rhodium_mir · · Score: 1

      If this was a problem surely the market would correct it.

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    5. Re:Maybe a galaxy core exploding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What market? /. provides a comment oppression mechanism and the moderators have unequal power to oppress by using this mechanism. /. is not a free market where people can make choices, choices and voices are limited and cultivated here.

    6. Re:Maybe a galaxy core exploding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roman spends most of his time here actively recruiting for a cult that he is a proud and vocal member of. Likely someone thought that the "Pierson's Puppeteers" was a reference to some element of that cult. Unfortunate that the person with mod points made that assumption, but I would wager that is what happened.

  7. Re:Most powerful ever detected by sims+2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean they've already destroyed themselves with supernova weapons so we can't find them?

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  8. Can I see it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously: If it's that bright can I see it with binoculars? If I am in northern New York, which direction would I look? (Other than 'up')

    1. Re: Can I see it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously locate Uranus and look up.

    2. Re:Can I see it? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Informative

      You need to go to the southern hemisphere to look it up in the Indus constellation.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASASSN-15lh
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_(constellation)

  9. Reminds me of a little ditty, goes something like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have looked all over the place
    But you have got my favorite face
    Your eyelashes sparkle like gilded grass
    And your lips are sweet and slippery like a cherub's bare wet ass

    Cause you're a human supernova
    A solar superman
    You're an angel with wings afire
    A flying giant friction blast

    You walk in clouds of glitter and the sun reflects your eyes
    And every time the wind blows, I can smell you in the sky
    Your kisses are as wicked as an F-16
    And you fuck like a volcano and you're everything to me

    Cause you're a human supernova
    A solar superman
    You're an angel with wings afire
    A flying giant friction blast
    You're a giant flying friction blast

  10. Holy. Shit. by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

    From TFP: In the 4 months since first detection, ASASSN-15lh radiated (1.1 +/- 0.2) * 10^52 ergs.

    If my math is right, that's 10^38 Joules/sec. or 10^35 kWh.

    1. Re:Holy. Shit. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      From TFP: In the 4 months since first detection, ASASSN-15lh radiated (1.1 +/- 0.2) * 10^52 ergs. If my math is right, that's 10^38 Joules/sec. or 10^35 kWh.

      If you think that's bad, you should see the power bill...

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    2. Re: Holy. Shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why so much fuss? Even our good-old SN1987A radiated 10^53 ergs!

    3. Re:Holy. Shit. by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you think that's bad, you should see the power bill

      By my reckoning, at $0.15 per kWh, that would come to $15,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, or roughly 800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times the US national debt. Perhaps, they would allow you to pay this off in installments.

    4. Re:Holy. Shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually all they know is that it radiated 3 * 10^47 ergs / degree^2 in *some* direction which happens to contain the Earth. Extrapolating that figure to the whole sphere might be wrong, and could explain the mystery.

  11. Only one explanation by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 4, Funny

    Their version of Donald Trump got elected.

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    1. Re:Only one explanation by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny

      I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if billions of heads just exploded.

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    2. Re:Only one explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would "marry" an woman who comments a supernova image like those crazy ones do with kittens and babies pictures on the "social" media.

    3. Re: Only one explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe that's why they don't?

    4. Re:Only one explanation by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty big bag of hot air. Just imagine if their version of Hilary made it! She's got at least twice the hot air after doing so much sucking over the years.

  12. Re: I bet it involves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Systemd stars don't explode. They never let go of annything in their gravitational influence. They are black holes.

  13. The Mayans were Right! It's Global Warming! by IHTFISP · · Score: 2, Funny

    At only 3.8 billion miles away, that will hit us in about 5 years, given the speed of light. It looks like the Mayans were right afterall in their prediction of the End of the World. They were just off by five years or so because they had not foreseen the change from the Praetorian calendar to the Julienne calendar in 1066 and they had not accurately computed the speed of light using their Stonehedge calculators.

    It's clearly time to sell all our stocks and buy gold to move into a fallout shelter and former nuclear missile silo deep in the Mountains of Iowa!

    Finally, this just irrefutably proves the devastating impact of Global Warming once and for all. I blame El Nino, fracking and President Bush, The Lesser. And I wouldn't be surprised if Commander Taco also had a hand in it. And maybe Julian ``Chelsea'' Snowden as well. Oh, and the Gnomes of Munich.

    Why isn't the mainstream media reporting on this!!!

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  14. Re:The Mayans were Right! It's Global Warming! by oddtodd · · Score: 2

    >> Why isn't the mainstream media reporting on this!!!

    Because even they know the difference between light years and miles.

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  15. Re:The Mayans were Right! It's Global Warming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we already detected it then it has already hit us? Or can we see things travelling fast than light speed now.....!

  16. shouldn't that break the universe? by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    I thought a certain amount of photons in a certain amount of space could by itself collapse into a black hole or tear space or morph into higher wavelength EM or something or other. Like something bad. What are the odds that this did something like that?

    1. Re:shouldn't that break the universe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You've been reading too many comics.

    2. Re:shouldn't that break the universe? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      No, he's right. I saw it on an episode of Star Trek the Nerd Generation. Our hero Wesley saved the universe again. Now we just have to build the same quark accelerator weapons array so we can attach the haptic matrix! It's our only shot at defeating it.

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  17. Re:Reminds me of a little ditty, goes something li by war4peace · · Score: 2

    BURMA SHAVE!

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  18. Re:The Mayans were Right! It's Global Warming! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Well, any globes in the vicinity of that supernova probably did get pretty darn warm... at least for a while.

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  19. Re:The Mayans were Right! It's Global Warming! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Because even they know the difference between light years and miles.

    But can they do the Kessel run in 12 parsecs?

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  20. Talk about global warming... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It probably had developed humans.

  21. Black hole reaches critical mass by cyberspittle · · Score: 1

    Remember that time you put too much air in that baloon? Then again, in a galaxy, far, far awy ...

  22. Re:I bet it involves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only if it is combined with a Superdome system will it reach the critical mass to power such a cloud bursting, virtual machine tearing assplosion.

  23. Maybe it isn't a supernova? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If it is too bright and too powerful to be a supernova then logic would seem to say that it isn't a supernova.

    Question is, what could it be if it isn't one?

    1. Re: Maybe it isn't a supernova? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A super-duper-nova.

    2. Re:Maybe it isn't a supernova? by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2

      The radiation profile and basic light curve over time fit roughly what is expected for this type of supernova but it is much more luminous than expected. It isn't like they are just declaring any suddenly luminous object to be a supernova.

    3. Re:Maybe it isn't a supernova? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A failed dyson sphere.

    4. Re:Maybe it isn't a supernova? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      A supernova which is much closer than the scientists believe it is.

  24. Re:The Mayans were Right! It's Global Warming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although IHTFISPs post sounds like a Trump campaign speech (try reading it in Trumps voice, it really works ), he was clearly trying to be funny.

  25. Re:The Mayans were Right! It's Global Warming! by tepples · · Score: 1

    But can they do the Kessel run in 12 parsecs?

    Depends on how smart the freighter's GPS (Galactic Positioning System) is at finding shortcuts.

  26. How much energy? by MiniMike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It shines 20 times brighter than the combined output of the Milky Way's 100 billion stars, and in the last six months, it has spewed as much energy as the sun would in 10 lifetimes

    Seriously, how about some meaningful units we can comprehend here? How many times the energy usage of the Library of Congress is this?

    1. Re:How much energy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back eating your oily burgers.

      Relating it to the photon energy output of the milky ways makes a lot of sense here.

  27. Astronomical theories by Exitar · · Score: 1

    Have astronomical theories ever been proven true once reality is looked at?

  28. Useless Speculation by notrelevant · · Score: 1

    The article in Newscientist reads somewhat like a tabloid. In one sentence they say "It might be a different exotic object called a magnetar" and in the very next sentence they write "But ASASSN-15lh is more powerful than magnetars can possibly become". Why not just suggest it is MAGIC.

  29. Re:The Mayans were Right! It's Global Warming! by IHTFISP · · Score: 1

    Yes, thanks: it was a failed attempt at satire of the general prevalence of scientific illiteracy that still permeates planet Earth, with no specific target or group of targets in mind. The fact that the modbots marked it as ``offtopic'' teaches me not to waste bandwidth this way in future. Live and learn. Peace.

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  30. Could be the Big Bang's last moments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One could add more fantasy to the news speculating that we might be watching the echoes of the Big Bang...
    If not the direct image of the explosion. It could be a reflection of the big explosion done billions of light years away by a big complex gravitational lens...

  31. Or maybe just not that good a comment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know what puppeteers and magnetars are, but I didn't think your comment was good enough to mod up.....

    If someone really is out to get you, keep commenting, they'll shed their karma downmodding you when you don't deserve to be.

    Also, as a moderator, I don't have any axes to grind against anyone, and if I see someone mod you unfairly and I have mod points, I'll mod you up again.

    But you're going to have to come up with a better comment than that.

  32. Antimatter Supernova by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're real and big
    http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/12/the-antimatter-supernova-largest-cosmic-explosion-ever-recorded.html