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Xerox Splits Into Two Companies, Icahn Not Behind Move (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Printer and copier maker Xerox has announced its plans to split into two separate publicly traded companies, giving billionaire Carl Icahn three board seats in the settlement. CEO Ursula Burns has now claimed that the decision was not driven in any way by the activist investor. Burns confirmed that the company had begun looking into its structure and portfolio from October 2015, in order to better reflect changes in the market. She added that no conversations with Icahn took place prior to these reviews, or before it made the final call. Xerox will now be divided into a new business process outsourcing company, and a document technology firm. Burns explained that her role, in either company, has not yet been confirmed. However now that the split is being implemented, leadership discussions will be held shortly, she said.

45 comments

  1. leadership roles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I am sure the leadership has not already staked out their territory as this was being hatched. Those magnanimous mother fuckers,,,

  2. hardware/services split by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wow meto on HP

    1. Re:hardware/services split by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      So Xerox has made two copies of itself?

  3. Cool, thanks for the post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting post, I'll have to check it out.

    1. Re:Cool, thanks for the post by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      At least this is one we can't blame on Ethan, aka StartsWithABang.

      But I wonder if other self-promoters now are trying to get on Slashdot's front page via the AC route, and then post as AC to stir up more interest. (Parent AC, I'm talking to you.)

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  4. true enough, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's true, Xerox is splitting into two companies. But the second company is merely going to be a copy of the first one.

    1. Re:true enough, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but...

      Which one is the clone?

    2. Re:true enough, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One will promise a paperless office, and the other will continue to sell photocopiers.

    3. Re:true enough, but... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's true, Xerox is splitting into two companies. But the second company is merely going to be a copy of the first one.

      Yeah but...

      Which one is the clone?

      It's the one that's still warm.

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    4. Re:true enough, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully the new double company is able to construct a personal laser printer with reliable double sided printing. Like they say, two is a company.

    5. Re:true enough, but... by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 2

      There are many copies, and they have a plan.

    6. Re:true enough, but... by Wing_Zero · · Score: 1

      is it real or is it Memorex?

  5. Business Process Outsourcing by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dad, what do you do for a living? I am a Business Process Outsourcer.

    1. Re:Business Process Outsourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But what does that mean, Daddy?

    2. Re:Business Process Outsourcing by forty-2 · · Score: 2

      It mean I spend every night sitting on the edge of my bed, with a gun in my hand, crying, son.

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    3. Re:Business Process Outsourcing by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Just a bunch of copycats

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    4. Re:Business Process Outsourcing by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Doesn't Xerox already have a BPO arm? I thought they did, and it's called ACS.

      So which of these 2 companies will be Xerox - the BPO one, or the document tech one?

    5. Re:Business Process Outsourcing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xerox bought ACS in 2010 and the ACS name disappeared. The Xerox brand is associated with copiers so the BPO will need to take on a new name.

  6. Corporate governance question by swb · · Score: 2

    From the fine summary:

    giving billionaire Carl Icahn three board seats in the settlement

    Is Corporate Governance actually supposed to work this way? It sounds like there will be three board members appointed, none of which are independent and who all just do the bidding of Icahn.

    Why not just cut two seats and give Carl's new seat 3 votes?

    1. Re:Corporate governance question by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Don't you get it? This has nothing to do with Carl Icahn. They just happened to give him 3 seats. Just a coincidence. Really. They were planning it all along.

    2. Re:Corporate governance question by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      Its not uncommon with large investors. If you have a startup and I buy 40% of the company, its normal for me to have 40% of the board as well. A board's job is to be independent of the management, not of the owners.

      As for 3 seats vs 1 seat- 3 seats gives 3 different people with different sets of views and opinions when asked for advice. It also means Carl doesn't have to show up to board meetings himself, his cronies do.

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    3. Re:Corporate governance question by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Clearly. What a lucky focker though, that Icahn...

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    4. Re:Corporate governance question by gtall · · Score: 0

      What they need to do is cut Icahn's balls off before he finishes destroying the remains of Xerox.

    5. Re:Corporate governance question by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Board members aren't supposed to be "independent"; they're supposed to support the stockholders' interests. If Icahn holds a significant piece of Xerox's shares, I don't see anything terribly inappropriate about it.

    6. Re:Corporate governance question by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      If Icahn gives me a seat I promise to vote the way he tells me. Until I'm tired of being on the board in which case I'll vote my conscience.

    7. Re:Corporate governance question by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't Icahn have his hands full if his pal President Trump calls on him? He'll probably be either Trade Representative or Secretary of State or something, so that he can negotiate the better deals that we need to make America great again. With his hands full w/ all this, how will he have time for what goes on @ Xerox? And wouldn't it potentially be a conflict of interests?

  7. C'mon headline writers - wake up! by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2

    And Then There Were Two - Xerox Copies Self ...with a lead of:

    Remember Xerox? Your parents probably did. But now there's two of them to make fun of now that...

    1. Re:C'mon headline writers - wake up! by mikael · · Score: 1

      Photocopiers are still around. They usually seem to be HP though. The industrial sized ones have the ink cartridges the size of a console system and a half-dozen bays for paper sheets of all sizes, as well as doing stapling, multiple runs, bluetooth and wifi connection, HP are bringing out 3D printers this year:

      http://www.copierguide.com/new...

      So Xerox now has to compete in at least two places; existing 2D technologies and 3D technologies. There's going to be some lucky kids who get to visit their parents workplace and get to print out something in 3D.#

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    2. Re:C'mon headline writers - wake up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you no have a life? how can you spend so much time posting here? for fuck's sake, get a life.

    3. Re:C'mon headline writers - wake up! by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Does Xerox play in 3D technologies at all? I thought they were just into 2D technologies, and that much of their focus had gone into ACS. Also, are there that many standalone copiers nowadays - I thought the bulk of them were 3-in-1s. From HP, as well as Canon, Brother, Sharp, et al.

    4. Re:C'mon headline writers - wake up! by mikael · · Score: 1

      Looks like Xerox is splitting from ACS:

      http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat...

      That was a gamble to try and get into business services.

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    5. Re:C'mon headline writers - wake up! by mikael · · Score: 1

      I looked at their copiers and there wasn't anything that really stood out. Just lots of standalone light beige photocopiers and what looked a like mad experiment to create a photocopier caterpillar with all sorts of intrays sticking out and paper bays in random places. Visually I think those machines need to look more organized rather than "it was the only space available when we designed the system".

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    6. Re:C'mon headline writers - wake up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this move is really just an unwinding of the ACS acquisition from 2010.

  8. Carl Icahn and Ursula Burns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like the villains in a 101 Dalmatians Reboot :-)

  9. Split into two? by chrism238 · · Score: 1

    Or just duplicated themselves?

  10. The tide rolls in, the tide rolls out. by cyanman · · Score: 1
    HP acquired EDS in 2008. Stagnates and splits into hardware and services companies in 2015.

    Xerox acquired ACS in 2009. Stagnates and splits into hardware and services companies in 2016.

    I attribute this to a few dirty little secrets rarely mentioned.

    1. People with titles starting with C are risk takers. They try bold moves to move the needle. Rarely does this really bite them in the ass. Even if they are fired in disgrace, they are still usually given a golden parachute to tide them over until the next corporation hires them for more money to try it again.

    2. Then there is the problem with the strategy of an old school hardware company trying a big move into solutions or services etc. Namely the barrier to entry for competition is completely different in the two industries. How much it would cost you to start up a manufacturing entity designing, building, and selling an office machine that would even take the bottom role in the industry? Now take a guess at how much it would cost you to open shop reselling an already known name brand software package to businesses in Anytown USA. The difference in cost for opening a viable ECM reseller shop compared to launching a viable printer manufacturing business is several orders of magnitude.

    3. The hardware business does not survive selling printers, copier, etc. They keep the doors open because you have to run the thing. To paraphrase an old presidential candidate, its the annuity stupid. You pay for your device output by the page. This may be per copy or buying ink or toner. In any event the money made on the actual hardware sale often pales in comparison to the profit they make once it is in place. Even though most manufacturers have a direct selling arm, the corporate mother ship does not care who sells the hardware, as long as someone does, and keeps you filling the annuity stream.

    I'll agree that there is an annuity component to the software business, but unless your software dies at the expiration of your contract, many businesses will opt out of your game and continue to run their existing software which is good enough while you get no additional money. See Windows XP and Office 2010. Maybe your company decides to go with a subscription model. No money, software no workee. This may play well in top tier businesses but in the bottom 95%, there is always a lower cost alternative to steal your business 5 years from now.

    Sure the paperless office is just around the corner, but its been circling the drain for nearly 30 years. Most of the weak have been weeded out. Often the paperless office means the company which creates the content no longer has to pay to print and ship the document to you. But as often as not, it ends up on paper, its just the end user who pays the cost of printing. Maybe your business does not fall in this category and you are all iPad, all the time. But industry wide, printed page volumes have leveled off. Maybe they shifted to a different industry, segment, use etc. But make no mistake marks still go on paper. Unfortunately for Xerox, Ursula Burns long ago lost interest in marks on paper and gave up on large swatches of the business. Almost all products sold with Xeroxs name on them are manufactured by Fuji, not Xerox, and Xerox has abandoned all but a scant few of their largest customers to their dealers. You cant reap the golden eggs when you have sold the goose.

    1. Re:The tide rolls in, the tide rolls out. by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      I just read the first line: HP acquired EDS in 2008. Stagnates and splits into hardware and services companies in 2015.

      HP did not split into hardware and services companies. They have split into consumer and enterprise companies.

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    2. Re:The tide rolls in, the tide rolls out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xerox-er here. Pretty much. Xerox knew that selling copiers was not going to be the way of the future, so it was looking for an exit strategy for the hardware market. They decided to try "services" (this includes document imaging, IT outsourcing, business process outsourcing, Medicaid/medicare stuff, government contracts, etc). This was largely what drove the ACS purchase. They wanted ACS for the BPO. This is a high margin unit. BPO takes care of many every day things you'd never imagine... many highway toll systems, red light cam systems, everyone's outsourced call centers and accounting, and of course a lot of government healthcare systems that don't work. The government unit is falling apart at the seams because they can't get anything to work. They sold their ITO unit last year because they couldn't get anything to work and didn't want to invest the capital. Hardware sales (copiers, printers)... well... let me put it this way. I get employee pricing, and it's FAR cheaper to go by an HP equivalent at full retail price than it is to get the "employee discount." Hell, every ACS office had Ricoh printers until last year, so what does that tell you?

      The point is, Xerox doesn't have a clue what they want to be when they grow up. No one is steering the boat. It's on auto pilot... spinning around the pond in circles. There isn't anyone there who cares about innovating, R&D, or finding new ways to make money. It's ALWAYS status quo. Xerox bought all these companies for their revenue, but didn't want to invest any money into those units to keep them going. Now everything is running out of gas and Xerox doesn't know what to do. There isn't anyone at the C level who could spell "innovation" if their life depended on it. And talk about top heavy... EVERYONE has "director" or "VP" in their title. Everyone. We have VPs reporting to VPs, who report to other VPs, who have 3-5 levels of directors under them.

      The hardware division will sink and die within 5 years. That's a given. The services unit will continue to survive for some time, but the margins will continue to erode because customers are getting pissed off with having to use the obsolete 1990s broken technology and will walk. The government and healthcare units did well until they got too aggressive with overpromising but under delivering, and they have innumerable lawsuits pending which will probably finish off that unit. So give it 10-15 years for "Services" and that company will be in bankruptcy too.

  11. Stop calling him an activist investor by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    That's a bullshit term his PR people have come up with and for some damn reason the media, Slashdot included, seem to play along. Call him what he is: A corporate raider. He likes to get controlling shares of companies, load them with debt, sell of their assets, and leave them to rot.

  12. Icahn is a corporate raider by Beeftopia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So his stake in Xerox is 9.12%: "Carl Icahn (Trades, Portfolio) increased his shareholding of Xerox XRX +0.00% (NYSE:XRX) in January, a filing revealed Friday as the company announced increased partnership with him and major changes in line with his vision for the company.

    Icahn’s funds purchased an additional 5,740,871 during the period from Jan. 4 to Jan. 8, at an average price of $10.05 per share. According to the filing, the purchases brought his total stake in the company to 92,377,043 shares, or 9.12% of its shares outstanding, and a boost of 12.2% from his last disclosure in December.

    Icahn’s three selected board members will join a nine-member board of directors for the BPO company. The current board will begin searching for an external candidate for CEO of the BPO company and also allow Icahn to choose a representative to be involved in the search process, Xerox said.
    [...]
    “Happy to announce we reached an agreement with $XRX re: separation into two independent public companies,” Icahn said on Twitter TWTR +0.00% Friday. “We believe the separation will greatly enhance value for $XRX shareholders. I applaud and respect Ursula Burns for doing what she believes shareholders want – as @Donahoe_John did with $Ebay EBAY +0.00% and $PYPL. I hope and believe the results will be just as good for XRX shareholders.”

    Icahn’s tweets referred to the division of Paypal (NASDAQ:PYPL) from eBay (NASDAQ:EBAY) that he prompted last year and which became complete in July. Since they began trading separately on July 20, eBay’s shares have fallen 18.3% and Paypal Holdings shares have declined 6.7%."

    -- Forbes link (sorry folks, but that's where the info was)

    Icahn himself says he "reached an agreement" with Xerox. The guy is a famous corporate raider with a significant stake in the company. Whoever said Icahn had nothing to do with it is delusional or lying.

  13. You can tell which company is the spinoff by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    It's warm, slightly curly and fainter, and has vertical white bars running down it.

  14. Xerox Xeroxes Xerox by russotto · · Score: 1

    And here I thought they were in Rochester, not Buffalo.

  15. Lost by transami · · Score: 2

    Xerox is probably a lost cause. Their failure to license solid ink technology, and instead try to hoard it for themselves, has probably cost them tens if not hundred of millions in revenue. They are an old fuddy-duddy company, that has long lost their way and have been living on borrowed time granted them by their towering forebearers ever since. I'll be surprised if they last another decade.

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    1. Re: Lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solid ink was a bad idea. Scratches off pages and low res