Project Neon Will Bring Users Up-to-Date KDE Packages (cio.com)

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Project Neon Will Bring Users Up-to-Date KDE Packages (cio.com)

Posted by timothy on Saturday January 30, 2016 @07:24AM from the punctuated-equilibrium dept.

sfcrazy writes: [Kubuntu founder Jonathan Riddell] is going to announce a new project at FOSDEM that brings the KDE experience to users. There is Fedora that offers latest from Gnome, but there is no such distro that offers the same level of integration with KDE software; yes, there is openSUSE but it offers KDE as an option. So Kubuntu based KDE Neon is a project to give KDE users and contributors a way to get KDE's desktop software while it's still fresh. It'll be providing packages of the latest KDE software so users can install it and stay up to date on a stable base.

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Re:Fvwm by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 07:37 · Score: 3, Funny

They aren't crap, they are krap. Read up about trolling before you attempt it.
What is wrong with kde on Fedora? by TheSunborn · 2016-01-30 07:40 · Score: 4, Insightful

What is wrong with kde on Fedora?
I am currently running Kde Fedora, with Kde Plasma 5.5.3 (The newest Plasma is 5.5.4, released just a few days ago som I am 0.0.1 from the newest when using standard Fedora).
So for me, Fedora with kde instead of Gnome seems to be the perfect Kde based linux.
1. Re: What is wrong with kde on Fedora? by WarJolt · 2016-01-30 08:05 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  I think it's fair to say that KDE maintainers for all distributions have significantly larger backlogs of software that needs to be packaged than gnome developers do. When users aren't using latest stable versions of packages it's really not good for a software community. For example you might have users experiencing issues that are already fixed upstream.
2. Re:What is wrong with kde on Fedora? by GioMac · 2016-01-30 09:12 · Score: 1
  
  +1
  I guess, only issue is when you are running 5.5.4 and suddenly 5.9.2 is released, which is 6.0 beta, maybe this or when you are running 5.5.4 and 6.0 final is release and you have to wait for 4 months for next fedora release, but, usually, KDE is very crappy till X.0.X releases and crappy till X.0.3 releases, kinda
  
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3. Re:What is wrong with kde on Fedora? by Hognoxious · 2016-01-30 09:36 · Score: 1
  
  I tried a relatively recent version of plasma on some live distro and it was shite. For something that's supposed to be customisable you'd think it would let me add an icon to a panel.
  
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4. Re:What is wrong with kde on Fedora? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 11:21 · Score: 0
  
  Gentoo has all of the new stuff, either stable or live from git. They can both put icons on the panel :-)
5. Re:What is wrong with kde on Fedora? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 17:23 · Score: 0
  
  RedHat has the stigma that years ago their GNOME-centric staff got caught gutting the RedHat KDE packages so that GNOME looked and performed better.
6. Re:What is wrong with kde on Fedora? by Zontar+The+Mindless · 2016-01-30 20:01 · Score: 1
  
  OopenSUSE does an excellent job of supporting KDE. Been using both for 10+ years.
  I'd much rather let the OpenSUSE folks sort out what's really ready for prime-time than burn up my own time fighting to stay on top top of the latest and greatest.
  (Yes, I had nerdgasms the first time I got the spinning cube desktop switcher working. After about 15 minutes, I realised that this might be fun, but I still had work to do.)
  
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7. Re:What is wrong with kde on Fedora? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-31 00:00 · Score: 0
  
  Nothing wrong with it. That is why KDE on Fedora is totally non-newsworthy. It works. There are no bugs. Nothing to report. No excitement. A non-event.
  I've been using KDE on Fedora for more than ten years, so this is just an attempt by a little newby distro to capture some publicity.
8. Re:What is wrong with kde on Fedora? by allo · 2016-01-31 04:31 · Score: 1
  
  till X.X.0
9. Re:What is wrong with kde on Fedora? by x_t0ken_407 · 2016-02-01 06:27 · Score: 1
  
  Likewise, except s/Fedora/Arch
10. Re:What is wrong with kde on Fedora? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-02-02 02:27 · Score: 0
  
  I like Chakra. It's a KDE-based Arch derivative.
how this different from Netrunner? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 07:40 · Score: 2, Interesting

I thought Riddlell's employer, Blue Systems, put out a "fresh" KDE rolling release version based off of Arch called Netrunner. The Netrunner standard version is based off of Kubuntu. So what's the difference? Why do we need another Kubuntu based distro?
1. Re:how this different from Netrunner? by Lord+Crc · 2016-01-30 08:14 · Score: 2
  
  As mentioned in the article (I know...), the base for Neon will be Ubuntu LTS. So everything except KDE will be nice and stable, unlike with a rolling distro like Netrunner.
2. Re:how this different from Netrunner? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 10:24 · Score: 1
  
  Because the Qt 5.x series was released with showstopping bugs. Like for example a total inability to support multiple monitors, or reasonably deal with the possibility that there is _no_ display, not even temporarily. It's (supposedly) fixed in a newer versions of Qt but getting that backported to Kubuntu is very difficult, especially now the lead developer's stepped down.
  Really sad state of affairs - the distribution is basically unusable for anybody who wants to present to an audience, which is easily the best way to evangelize. You'd think some developer would have noticed this but they evidently don't test on *actual* hardware - the bug trackers are littered with complaints about how tough it is to simulate displays in virtualbox and/or X. (https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/10/some-thoughts-on-the-quality-of-plasma-5/)
3. Re: how this different from Netrunner? by bill_mcgonigle · 2016-01-30 13:29 · Score: 2
  
  I was a KDE user on Fedora from about Fedora 6 to 21. It got so bad that a lead maintainer quit and personally I've switched myself, friends, and family to XFCE. KDE 4.0 was hell until 4.1, but 5 was even worse. A real shame - their star was looking so bright for a while.
  
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4. Re:how this different from Netrunner? by sr180 · 2016-02-01 14:17 · Score: 1
  
  Furthermore, major architectural issues. Running a full copy of mysql per login per user? Great fun if your ~ dir is on NFS. Even better if they decide to login to 2 machines at once. I loved finding the surprise 7.1TB log file in a hidden directory from mysql crying about being unable to access its files.
  Both Gnome and KDE have shown that they are only developing for a single machine desktop. No enterprise or terminal considerations at all. But barely even that. Putting log files into hidden directories? No managing those log files at all?
  But to expand on your point - multiple displays gets ugly. Laptops and external displays being added and removed will bring you to tears real quick. Im not sure this is all KDE's problem - this is probably the limitations of X - and hence why wayland and the like now exists.
  
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They should become FUCKING STABLE by NotInHere · 2016-01-30 07:48 · Score: 1

Almost everything I read up on the internet about KDE is outdated. And I'm not alone. You are happy to find somebody who had the problem you have in 2012, but now its entirely different and everything is much nicer now, so one can't use the current method anymore.
OpenSUSE? by xfizik · 2016-01-30 08:23 · Score: 2

What's wrong with KDE being an option in OpenSUSE?
1. Re: OpenSUSE? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 20:07 · Score: 0
  
  KDE now requires system-d
2. Re:OpenSUSE? by Zontar+The+Mindless · 2016-01-30 20:08 · Score: 1
  
  What's wrong with KDE being an option in OpenSUSE?
  Absolutely nothing. Works great, been using that combo for years.
  
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Off topic: Is Timothy the only one left? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 08:25 · Score: 0

Is Timothy the only one left? He seems to be the only one posting anything.
It's also possible that Timothy is just a perl script?
1. Re: Off topic: Is Timothy the only one left? by TheReaperD · 2016-01-30 12:35 · Score: 1
  
  Please report to the office of your robotic overlords for processing.
  
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Finally by Britz · 2016-01-30 08:35 · Score: 1

I have been waiting for something like this forever. This is awsome. Thanks again guys, you are awsome!!
AlienBob does that for Slackware by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 08:48 · Score: 0

AlienBob provides very fresh up to date KDE packages for Slackware, see http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/tag/kde5/
What's wrong about "being an option"? by ffkom · 2016-01-30 10:14 · Score: 2

Does KDE require a distribution to enforce its use on the user? If it's attractive to use, people will do so even if it's "optional".
Generally, I don't understand why people are so much involved with the looks of their "desktop". To me, that's the least relevant part of an operating system.
1. Re:What's wrong about "being an option"? by Osgeld · 2016-01-30 13:45 · Score: 1
  
  problem with a lot of these new DM's is that it is not just a look, its a complete change in how you use a computer
  if that works for you great, if you don't want to deal with fucking around for a half hour cause some hipster asshat decided YOU cant put a icon on YOUR desktop then there's a whole slew of DM's that follow the windows 9x style of UI we have been having no isssue getting work done on for 21 years
2. Re:What's wrong about "being an option"? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 18:57 · Score: 0
  
  s/KDE/gnome/
  oh, and just for the bonus flamebait posts s/KDE/systemd/
3. Re:What's wrong about "being an option"? by Zontar+The+Mindless · 2016-01-30 20:10 · Score: 1
  
  +1, Why do we need to reinvent the wheel (and badly)?
  
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4. Re:What's wrong about "being an option"? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-31 00:03 · Score: 0
  
  Well, in the 1970s punch cards were the preferred medium of interaction with a computer. If you want to go back to that, be my guest.
5. Re:What's wrong about "being an option"? by Zontar+The+Mindless · 2016-01-31 00:25 · Score: 1
  
  ProTip: Snark != addressing the subject.
  
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6. Re:What's wrong about "being an option"? by iampiti · 2016-01-31 08:50 · Score: 1
  
  You'll probably agree...but it's funny that Microsoft have also jumped into this let's-change-UI-for-the-sake-of-it bandwagon.
  "Windows...now following the footsteps of Linux!"
7. Re:What's wrong about "being an option"? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-02-02 02:38 · Score: 0
  
  I'm using Plasma 5, and I have 8 icons on my desktop right now. It didn't take any messing around, just 3 clicks each.
KDE and Gnome by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 10:29 · Score: 0

KDE, Gnome and Unity are Linux proclaiming an inferiority complex vis-a-vis Windows and Mac. In the vein, they strive to make sure that they are they stars of the show, and it is their way or the highway. The good thing about Linux is that we have other options.
Re:Cinnamon by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 13:42 · Score: 0

the fact you were excited for KDE3 proves how ignorant your opinion is
Mageia5 by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-30 16:59 · Score: 0

I thought Mageia continued the tradition of good KDE integration that Mandrake/Mandriva began. Am I wrong?
https://www.mageia.org/en/5/
Stable base? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-01-31 09:53 · Score: 0

I wish they'd work on the stable base - the GUI crashes for me most days. It's about as stable as early Windows 95.