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AT&T To Begin 5G Wireless Field Trials This Year (eweek.com)

AT&T will begin field trials of its 5G wireless technologies later this summer after conducting extensive lab development and testing with several partners in the second quarter of 2016. The company unveiled its 5G roadmap and testing plans in a Feb. 11 announcement as it continues to work on the creation of its next-generation wireless network across the nation.

When completed, 5G wireless systems are expected to deliver speeds 10 to 100 times faster than the average 4G LTE connections of today, according to AT&T. "New experiences like virtual reality, self-driving cars, robotics, smart cities and more are about to test networks like never before," John Donovan, chief strategy officer and group president of AT&T technology and operations, said in a statement. "These technologies will be immersive, pervasive and responsive to customers. 5G will help make them a reality."

43 comments

  1. Hit your monthly data cap in 1 second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That probably won't be in AT&T's ad for their 5G service

  2. Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When completed, 5G wireless systems are expected to deliver speeds 10 to 100 times faster than the average 4G LTE connections of today, according to AT&T.

    Now we can hit our puny bandwidth caps faster and get raped on overages, and don't forget about our exorbitant plan prices and phones with patches that arrive way too late.

  3. How long to use a month's data? by whoever57 · · Score: 2

    I think we are talking less than a minute to use a month's data allowance.

    This is about increasing availability, more phones using the same tower, not speeds.

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    1. Re:How long to use a month's data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, in all ISP's but Google yes.

  4. and when a self-driving car drives in to canada by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    and when a self-driving car drives in to canada with this you can run the roaming bill up till the cost of a new car in under a hour.

  5. This is how it begins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will be the shattering point between the Wired and the real world; in case you were wondering, the God of the Wired is angry.

    1. Re:This is how it begins... by quetwo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh, it's already been happening. AT&T has been lobbying (successfully in many states like Florida and Michigan) to shutdown their central offices and force users to wireless. They've been divesting in their infrastructure in order to make it so people have no excuse but to switch to the more lucrative wireless service....

      The first COs are scheduled to be shutdown in 2017. You can expect wired connections in large portions of the USA to go dark in 2020.

    2. Re:This is how it begins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, that was a Serial Experiment Lain reference, sorry.

    3. Re:This is how it begins... by fredness · · Score: 1

      At some point upgraded to U-Verse FTN in Cupertino, CA. Then considered reverting to competitors classic DSL after most of our indoor phone jacks stopped working only to find AT&T no longer offered twisted pair back to the CO - gotcha! At least they rolled out direct fiber (GigaPower) a few months later (1 Gbps!), which is faster than my 10+ year old cat 5 wiring room to room can handle :-/

      Goodbye POTS, but now more than ever ISP's need to have lower service levels (up to 10mps?) abide by common carrier rules legacy POTS used to extend to citizens of the US.

      Somehow I see 5G+ as becoming compelling alternative to 1 Gbps fiber to residential homes/buildings ... if you can get reliable 1+ Gbps without fiber to home wirelessly, sure saves a lot of install hassle both outside and inside the home. Still there is something comforting about having wire/fiber terminating on one's property, and being able to decide if wire of wireless distributes Internet elsewhere to across property ... even if at increased personal expense.

    4. Re:This is how it begins... by RoboJ1M · · Score: 1

      Ah, that was a Serial Experiment Lain reference, sorry.

      w0000! 8D

  6. Battery life? by Hadlock · · Score: 2

    My phone lasts for days sipping from 2G or Wifi. It goes about half a day on 4G.
     
    What is the battery life expected for a 5G device?
     
    Is 5G in the US the same as 5G in Europe/Asia/Wherever? Because my 2G works f-cking everywhere, it's great.

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    1. Re:Battery life? by thejynxed · · Score: 2

      The 5G that AT&T and Verizon are suggesting as their 5G product, isn't even the same 5G that Samsung tested and helped write the standards for, let alone the same 5G as will roll out in Europe or the rest of Asia.

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    2. Re:Battery life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My phone lasts for days sipping from 2G or Wifi. It goes about half a day on 4G.

      What is the battery life expected for a 5G device?

      Is 5G in the US the same as 5G in Europe/Asia/Wherever? Because my 2G works f-cking everywhere, it's great.

      Your data-sipping days are about over then, as 2G is set to sunset in 2017 in the US.

    3. Re:Battery life? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Because my 2G works f-cking everywhere, it's great.

      You really have your finger on the pulse of wireless technology don't you?

    4. Re:Battery life? by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      When it's 2am in the bad part of Budapest (or Prague, or Bratislava, or Rome... or Bogota, Mexico City, Buenos Aires, Rio de Janiro, etc etc etc), you're a little too tipsy and you're not sure how to get home, it's REALLY nice to be able to turn on Google Maps and navigate you back to your hotel. 2G internet has helped me out of a jam in many a cities, many a hemispheres, many a timezones. It may be slow but at least it works when I need it to.

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    5. Re:Battery life? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      If you find yourself drunk and lost in every city in the globe, perhaps the fix isn't better wireless, but fixing your alcoholism?

  7. 5G wireless by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Funny

    "5G isn't just about speed, it's how much you owe us for using it!"

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  8. Field Trials by rossdee · · Score: 2

    It works in a field but not inside a building

  9. 100x as fast! Same low rate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    100x as fast! Same data cap, so they'll upsell you from car payment rates to mortgage rates. This is just my first guess.

  10. And then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could we try a 4G wireless field test? Just asking.

  11. And yet prices will still stay they same per GB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your 2GB plan will not go very far.

  12. Surely this is a record, BeauHD? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is a Sunday night, normally a relatively lively time on Slashdot, but there is not a single comment that is even getting displayed.

    Who is this BeauHD buffoon?

    Beau Hamilton is the Goggle consensus, https://www.instagram.com/p/7oX4wMmwZ-/?taken-by=beauhd, but he doesn't seem to have the guts to even share his account here.

  13. LTE? What was LTE again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought the L stood for 'Long'....I guess I was wrong or the marketroids were just fucking with us again.

  14. 10-100x "Average" 4G/LTE by jargonburn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait...is that before or after throttling?

  15. Correction by Monoman · · Score: 1

    "When completed, 5G wireless systems are expected to deliver speeds UP TO 10 to 100 times faster than the average 4G LTE connections of today, according to AT&T." ;-)

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    1. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So on average we have say 1GB/month. Now they are going to support 10GB a month.

      Progress ;)

      More seriously, I wish their subsidiary cricket wireless would bring back the 20GB plan.

  16. Re:100x as fast! Same low rate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um, are car payments really even less than mortgage payments anymore? The average decent car seems to be between 30K and 40K now, which on a typical 5 year car loan with 10% down runs between 475 and 625/mo.

    A 30 year mortgage on a 150K property with 20% down is about 650.

  17. Re:Stop developing 4G and 5G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "sending and receiving data exposes us to harmful microwave radiation."

    I know I'm just falling for a troll, but no, it doesn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination. You know why? Because physics. This was obvious to anyone with a STEM degree the moment the issue was first mentioned back in the 90s.

  18. Socialization of Infrastructure is the Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate to say this being the die-hard libertarian that I am, but seriously, when it comes down to it, socialism just makes sense for some things - those things we all need.

    Roads, electricity, water, sewer, communications, and other utilities are necessary for everyone to have. And, yes, other things as well such as basic housing, because we're human beings who don't leave other human beings to starve to death out in the cold. We can help ourselves and help others without giving up our rights.

    If anything, it saves a lot of us a lot of money to socialize these things. And by "socialize," I mean really socialize, not "send the bill to the top 1% of income earners" as we do with our hybrid socialism today. That *is* fundamentally unfair, and defies the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Taking more of my money than someone else's is not equal protection - it is protecting them more than protecting me.

    What we should have is a flat rate tax with no exemptions, no loopholes, no credits, no nothing, where EVERYONE has skin in the game, and EVERYONE who works, pays. When EVERYONE has skin in the game, and EVERYONE pays, then EVERYONE will vote for a Congress who spends money wisely, while still helping those who need it the most.

    I am all for helping people who cannot yet help themselves, or have become unable to help themselves. Please, take some of my money to keep these poor souls from being completely abandoned. A basic shelter, access to basic utilities, access to a basic education, and yes maybe even access to a basic income, are those things which will help a society succeed.

    The Pursuit of Happiness is a basic, fundamental, and inalienable right given us by almighty God himself. If we don't help those have access to the basic necessities of that pursuit, then we are denying them their most fundamental right.

    So, to that end, like most other utilities, cellular voice and data should be hosted like any other utility, regulated by a PUC to ensure equal access to all, and to protect the rights of all people to be free and to pursue their dreams. That is liberty. Living under the thumb of a corporate oligarchy is not liberty.

    1. Re:Socialization of Infrastructure is the Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perhaps you should reexamine your definition of "die-hard libertarian", because you come nowhere close to that definition.

      At all.

      My guess is that you know you're a socialist/communist, and are trying to persuade people into the dark side by attempting to blur the lines between completely incompatible philosophies. You should know that *actual* libertarians see right through it, and in no way does your post do anything to address the cognitive dissonance required to support the position you claim to have. (hint: forcing other people to give to others is not the same thing as charity, and doing so does more to discourage actual charitable giving than it does to combat the need for charity in the first place)

  19. Re:Stop developing 4G and 5G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They won't do this. You know why? Because eugenics. This was obvious to anyone with an ability to see a world population of 500M the moment the issue was first mentioned back in the 40s when microwave radiation was melting radar operator's cheddar.

    What really gets them off is that people are paying for their own cancer. It positively warms their loins to see pregnant moms holding their smartphones to their bellies.

  20. 3G v3.0? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few years ago, they got away with renaming 3G LTE to 4G, with the result that nobody gets anywhere near the several gigabits that 4G was supposed to be.

    So, is this "5G" real 4G, or is it yet another incremental upgrade of 3G?

    (I don't trust anyone in the mobile business anymore)

    1. Re:3G v3.0? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      4G LTE is the real 4G so 5G will be closer to 4.5G

      In the end it doesn't matter as long as all the companies switch to LTE or other common protocol. End the cdma, vs GSM divide.

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    2. Re:3G v3.0? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (I don't trust anyone in the mobile business anymore)

      Trust them to think of new ways to f**k you over & to extract every last dime. They make cable companies look ethical.

  21. Backlash? by ohnocitizen · · Score: 1

    Between battery life and data caps, unless something changes radically on either front you'll have customers with a phone (and a plan) that burns out within the first few days of the month. Not to mention throttling.

  22. 5G, Dead on Arrival by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering that data caps are close to nearly-useless on 3G+LTE plans that the mobile carriers already offer, and none of the mobile carries cover every square inch of the US or Canada, 5G is only going to benefit apartment dwellers in the largest cities.

    When 3G was rolled out (really 2G GSM) in the US, it covered nearly nothing, and today? Still covers nothing outside a major city. If you want to rely on google maps instead of an integrated GPS in your car, forget ever leaving the city. When LTE rolled out, good luck trying to use it unless you were standing in the middle of the road in a major city. The buildings bounce signals around, and you're lucky if you can keep a LTE connection from one end of the city to the other. So what will 5G accomplish? Only being able to use it in buildings that put in their own pico-cells?

    Like I'm optimistic about technology at the best of times, but the two worst pieces of tech we use today are cell phones and "VR" kits. The former being so rediciously expensive to use that it simply doesn't get used. What a racket, charging people to use a device they are afraid to use because of of the per-kilobyte usage rate ($0.05/KB, $50/MB, $50,000/GB.) Wireless companies would actually get people to pay more money if the difference between a $25 plan and a $100 plan actually offered something. But they don't. Often the only difference between such plans is the phone subsidy.

    1. Re:5G, Dead on Arrival by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Even at work verizons 4glte service is faster than the buisness class dsl line so not sure how a pico-cell would help that.

      Last I checked verizon was still playing the lock in game with their feature phones. No free apps few paid apps and friggen everything is a monthly charge the cheapest app for weather on my samsung convoy 3 is weatherbug for $2.49/mo no option to buy the app. The same app is $2.99/yr on ipad for ad free or free with ads.

      But that's probably going to be a moot point as we are not that far off from their 2020 deadline for shutting off their 2g/3g service and they have yet to release any feature phones with 4g chips.

      I suppose they've decided to just stop selling phones.

      I am not going to pay an extra $10/mo devicethatdoesnotworkasaphone fee.

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  23. Wrong primary goal by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    Much more useful would be availability more of the time in more locations. Higher bandwidth occasionally in some places is for entertainment (and irritating even then) and isn't very useful for those other things to which AT&T is referring. In the old days, they complained about having to provide service in non-lucrative areas, now they just don't and say they did.

  24. How about Better Audio Quality = Landline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sick of the awful audio quality of cellphone calls.

    Time to focus on better, understandable audio before squeezing more calls into the bandwidth.

  25. Data plans are useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad I don't waste my money on this stuff.

    I have internet at home and at work. Why would I need it on my phone?

  26. Yet another report of gbit/sec when what we want i by MarkH · · Score: 1

    1) low latency reliable connections
    2) simple data plans

    Nuf said

  27. Immersive, pervasive, and responsive?!? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    "These technologies will be immersive, pervasive and responsive to customers. 5G will help make them a reality."

    Immersive, pervasive, and responsive?!? F*** me, that sounds awesome. The future is now.