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Norway Becomes First NATO Country To Accuse China of Stealing Military Secrets (softpedia.com)
An anonymous reader writes: A high-ranking general in the Norwegian Army and head of the Norwegian Intelligence Service E-tjenesten (Etterretningstjenesten) has made official statements accusing the Chinese government of launching cyber-attacks against his country. Gen. Lunde says that state-sponsored hacking groups have targeted many Norwegian companies during the past year. He says that these companies are suppliers and collaborators of the Norwegian army and that hackers have stolen information considered to be state military secrets. The statements were made to Norwegian TV station TV2 by General Lt. Morten Haga Lunde, who was detailing his agency's most recent intelligence report.
Let me guess, they'll accuse the Norwegians of being "irresponsible". That seems to be their favorite line, ever.
Let's see... China has a truly awful record on human rights. China steals military secrets from Western countries. China makes cheap knock-offs of products designed by businesses in more developed countries. And lets not forget that China backs the DPRK, with a brutal nutjob of a dictator who threatens nuclear conflict and has an even worse human rights record. It's easy to point to countries where a regime change might help the world. In the case of China, we'd all be better off if the commie government was gone and they would play nice with their people and the rest of the world. Unfortunately for now China is pretty much the biggest shithead in the world.
Such nonsense and rumor spreading is clearly against all laws regarding Internet communications as promulgated by the Chinese government. Millions of Chinese are insulted and demand Slashdot cease immediately or face consequences of the highest order.
4.5 million people, but more balls than many (including the snow ones, of course.)
by those Republicans.
So this tiny little country is willing to step up and call out the state-sponsored hacking from China that undermines the military posture of NATO? Meanwhile on a golf course somewhere in the continental US... the executive branch is silent on the topic. Time to re-connect with my Norwegian college buddy to find out their countries "man up" secret so I might be able to share.....
spiritual etc... bankruptcy/paralysis intervention proceedings are underway... when way too much is never nearly enough? cease fire.. truth+mercy=justice .. in the moms we trust..
Air Gap.
Keep your state secrets off of internet connected systems and the only way that someone can steal those secrets is with a "Mission Impossible" team sneaking in and crawling through the duct work.
Oh, and maybe you shouldn't have a duct running to your super secret computer room that is large enough for a human to crawl through. Just a thought.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
If you don't want your military secrets to be stolen, how about you don't put them on the internet? Simples, no?
Everyone spies. Rather than complaining cos you're not as good at the Game as they are, how about you secure yourself and do a little hacking right back?
I'd be happy if they'd just knock it off with the phishing/malware spam already.
If only putting an air gap around all possibly important information a variety of national and private companies was as easy as typing "Air Gap" in Slashdot comments.
Seriously, your post got _less_ fictional when you started talking about a movie.
I thought America has been accusing them of stealing all kinds of secrets. Was that accusation limited to business *secrets?
*Where "business secrets" means "please build this for us at absurdly cheap prices, but don't learn anything about it".
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China no have many fjords. We steal fjords.
that this will have an effect on snooping? Like - make them stop trying after succeeding?
Der eenternet in dem pot is zu zecure zu breaka eento. Bork bork bork!
For fucksake slashdot, enough with these cyber bullshit stories. Has Norway ever considered not keeping its 'state military secrets' on Microsoft Windows connected to the Internet.
Sigh, and what would we do with America spying and stealing peoples data? Even the so called "terrorists" are lame compared to actions of the land of "freedom".
Mil secret? How to make igloos with a swedish army knife while at the same time clubbing seals for their fur secret?
So, when it was discovered that NSA has been intercepting and storing Internet traffic from all over the world, isn't there a whole slew of patriotic Americans flooding with responses basically saying that was just NSA doing their job?
Now, the ball is on the other court, what's the problem? Chinese spies stealing military secrets? They are just doing their job. Obviously it was the Norwegian Army who were not doing their job to prevent their secrets being stolen.
Shuddup and steal back
Table-ized A.I.
I'm sure NATO would never dream of trying to penetrate Chinese military computer systems.
Setup a honey pot
Norway has just figured out fusion power but decided it was too crude in favor of anit-mater and warp drive.
Folks invading should beware of the defense system using pulse cannons, photons and phasers.
please don't fall into the same ugly-bucket as the Americans and whine about "hacking". Stop the accusations of "stealing" and that you wholly and fully invented metal, or the airplane, or exposives, or electronics, or whatever. You are more sensible than this.
Air Gap.
That worked so well for Iran against Stuxnet.
It would be native to think otherwise.
So, which will be the first NATO country to understand the simple rules that govern this world?
Only time will tell...
... in a recent speech suggested that the way to end terrorism is to dip bullets in pig blood so muslims will believe getting shot sends them to hell.
Variations on that have been proposed repeatedly. They just show the person proposing them is ignorant of actual Islam.
I'm not all THAT familiar with it myself, but I AM familiar enough to know the major madhhabs agree that being exposed to pig blood by an enemy as a tactic in war is not a problem for getting to heaven (while being killed in such a way is a free first-class ticket).
Choosing to expose one's SELF to it as an act furthering even a holy war is more controversial - which is why, back in the muzzle-loading era, waterproofing a pre-assembled powder/wad/bullet charge (for quicker reloading by biting it open and pouring the contents into the barrel) by dipping it in bacon fat, was an issue for Britain's Islamic soldiers. (Also for Hindus, by the way.)
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It would be SO refreshing if they'd just say that. B-)
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Therefore the US is the first NATO country to accuse China of stealing military secrets.
Fundamentally, the United States foots the military budget for a huge portion of the developed world--Pretty much all of Western Europe, Japan, Australia, South Korea, etc...
While some of those countries have an impressive military budget, The UK, France, Germany, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Italy and Canada together spend only about 45% of what the US spends. (Not all are NATO members, but they all have significant military expenditures.)
If the US walked out of NATO it would lose 2/3rds of its military budget and a lot of its logiistical and nuclear capability. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I'm Asian and I keep having to emphasize this with my Caucasian friends. Standards of behavior are arbitrary. Just because you're used to one standard doesn't mean you should expect other people elsewhere in the world to adhere to the same standard.
The Western standard is that you don't directly steal things someone is trying to keep secret. You pass a few laws making the behavior illegal, and that's it. Anyone who breaks the law and steals your secret is a "shithead" (to quote another comment), and should be tried and jailed. You can infer the secret from afar, based on secondary information which leaks out, but stealing it directly is a no-no.
The Eastern standard is that if you want to keep something secret, you'd better do everything you can to keep it secret. If someone manages to hack you and steal your secrets, it's your own damn fault for not protecting yourself. Corporate and state-sponsored espionage isn't just encouraged, it's expected. You can be fired if you refuse your company's orders to spy on a competing company. Just don't get caught doing it. That'll result in you being fired in order for the company to save face - everyone pretends they respect each others' secrets, even while they're secretly trying to steal them.
The Hainan Island incident is a good example. The U.S. felt justified spying because they flew the EP-3 just outside Chinese territorial waters. They weren't breaking any laws, so by Western standards the behavior was OK. By Eastern standards, the behavior became unacceptable the moment it was clear they were spying. If the U.S. had been spying secretly, it'd be OK. But doing it overtly and openly by flying the EP-3 in plain sight just outside the Chinese border was a faux pas.
Because of this difference in standards of behavior, I read about all the joint technology deals Western companies make with China, and just shake my head in disbelief. Like the German company agreeing to manufacture high speed trains in China, instead of manufacturing them in Germany and shipping them to China. After a couple years, the Chinese told them they didn't need their help anymore, and didn't renew the contract. Obviously what happened was the Chinese went over every inch of the production facilities during off-hours to glean every nugget of information they could about manufacturing these trains. And after a couple years when they felt they had a good enough handle on how it all worked, they ditched the German company and started manufacturing the trains themselves. The Germans expected the Western standard of behavior - that the Chinese would "respect" the sanctity of their production secrets and not try to copy them. (Kawasaki did the same thing to my surprise, since they knew going in that this would happen.)
So don't expect the Chinese hacking and spying to stop. As long as there's plausible deniability, they're going to keep at it. The onus is on Western companies and governments to protect themselves as best they can, because the Eastern standard wins in a race to the bottom.
Last I checked, the US was a NATO country, and they have been accusing China of stealing secrets for *years*. Canada too is a NATO country, and I recall China being accused of trying to break into several government systems at least 2 years ago. At one point Huawei was accused of having backdoors in their routers, and the Chinese PLA Unit 61486 (31.349286N, 121.573539E) was fingered by Canadian officials (the US has pointed fingers at them too). So I don't think Norway is the first.
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Oh irony. Not that Chinese spying is acceptable but Norway's current government is incompetent. They should be be looking far more closely at what NATO "ally" America and even Britain have been doing when it comes to dis-respecting privacy of its citizens. Staying blind to the NSA and GCHQ shenanigan while lecturing China on spying is hardly morally credible.