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Kremlin Falls For Its Own Fake Satellite Imagery (thedailybeast.com)
An anonymous reader writes: The Turkish downing of the Russian SU-24 jet last November saw a predictable series of statements from each side claiming complete innocence and blaming the other entirely. Social media was a key battleground for both sides — the Turkish and Russian governments, along with their supporters — as each tried to establish a dominant narrative explanation for what had just happened. In the midst of the online competition, a little-observed, funhouse mirror of an online hoax was brilliantly perpetrated, one with consequences likely exceeding the expectation of the hoaxster. The Russian Ministry of Defense was duped by a fake image that Russian state media itself had circulated more than a year earlier, as a way to deny Moscow's involvement in the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.
photoshopped? How do they know they used Photoshoppe? Or is that the only photo manipulation tool?
Altering the past to suit present agenda. When that story "broke" it was pitched as US proof of a RUSSIAN MiG-29 shooting down MH 17. NOW it's being pitched as Russian proof of a Ukrainian Su-27. Ukraine has very few SU-27's and most of them were grounded.
Long story short - bullshit still smells like shit. Why is this even on slashdot? Oh yeah, BIZX...
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
we must like it because we pay for it all etc...wmd.war.madison.ave.media
Meanwhile we're discussing cyber pathogens. Yay us!
The Kremlin has outsourced the editing and faking department to India where an underpaid and overworked employee just used the last copy and did some airbrush.
Once upon a time, a guy addressed to UN councel presenting sat photographs as proof for weapons of mash destruction in Iraq
are you sure it was not leftover from the images used to 'prove' existence of wmd in saddam's iraq? based on such fakes almost everyone in usa supported war (including clintons, though not obama or trump) which ended up killing millions, creating iran friendly iraq and isis, and finally with americans running as fast as possible from the mess they created.
I don't usually read "The Daily Beast", and a quick scan of TFA confirms the wisdom of that choice. I have better things to do than waste time incredulously reading sentence after sentence of rancid, vicious libel - which is transparently fictional. Two issues are touched on, MH17 and the Su-24. (The whole idea that social media can provide any reliable evidence in such matters is, like everything else "The Daily Beast" publishes, obviously ridiculous).
1. The salient facts about MH17 are that, whereas most airliner crashes are investigated within a few months and comprehensive reports published, nearly two years after the MH17 crash no satisfactory report has been published. The only really indisputable fact is that the disaster happened over the territory of Ukraine, which is therefore responsible until proof is given of some other agency. The Ukrainian authorities failed to close the airspace, although they knew it was dangerous; they claim that both their civil and military radars were switched off at the time (completely unbelievable); and they immediately blamed Russia within minutes of the crash, although they could not possibly have had any hard evidence so soon. (Especially without any working radars). Further, the US government immediately claimed that "the Russians did it" and that there was a whole mass of evidence; yet to this day they have not published a single scrap of that evidence. Satellite images would be a good start - it is known that US satellites were in position to see everything that happened. The only conceivable reason why that imagery has not been published is that it contradicts the official US/Ukrainian story. Whether MH17 was shot down by a SAM or by air-to-air missiles fired from a fighter, or by cannon fire, or some combination of these, has not been determined. Whichever was the case, the facts strongly suggest Ukrainian agency rather than the Russians or the Donbass militias, as it was directly contrary to their interests. The Ukrainian regime, on the other hand, systematically lies and continually engages in self-destructive behaviour.
2. The salient facts about the Su-24 assassination are that the Russian aircraft encroached on Turkish airspace for only a few seconds (if at all); that the F-16 that shot it down came from an airbase over an hour's flight away, so it must have been refuelled in the air and loitered waiting for the Su-24; and that the accurate interception and engagement, without the use of the F-16's attack radar, prove that NATO radar systems must have vectored it in. Nothing else is really important, although it could be mentioned that Turkish military aircraft regularly encroach far more severely on the air space of Syria and Greece; and that the Russian aircraft was attacking murderous Takfiri terrorists, proving that Turkey shot it down in order to protect those terrorists, who are its (and the USA's) creatures.
Anyone who is interested in getting at the truth might care to look at the following two articles (out of hundreds that I could cite):
http://russia-insider.com/en/t...
http://russia-insider.com/en/s...
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
I have never understood why the owners and editors of a news outlet would call it "The Daily Beast". The name was first invented by Evelyn Waugh in his famous novel of journalistic corruption "Scoop". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Waugh makes it perfectly clear that "The Daily Beast" closely reflects the preferences of its owner, Lord Copper, who is ignorant, violently prejudiced, and deeply unpleasant. In short, it's a gutter-press rag which cannot even be trusted to get the bare facts right, and whose opinions are deeply biased.
Is it an attempt at "irony"?
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
Or they would not be Russian. Ipso Fastso Forgetso.
1. The Dutch investigators already reported, it was shot down by ground to air Russian missiles.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-mh17-investigation-idUSKBN0H40LM20140909
2. Turkey warned the su24 it was heading to Turkish airspace, and shot it down. It is not the first nor will it be the last time Russia has invaded Turkish airspace.
Your claim "a few seconds" is false, it is not accidental, it is tactical invasions of airspace.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/turkey-says-russia-violated-its-airspace-again-despite-warnings-n507686
It is not the Ukranian fault for failing to stop flights over captured airspace over invaded Ukraine. It is not Turkeys fault that Russian jets repeatedly invade its airspace. It is Putin, it is Russia.
Fuck off you Russian troll.
The author of this piece is former British military officer who currently runs "online intelligence company called WG Consulting" with ties to NATO. The crux of the very clearly biased article is that some Russian TV felt for some old and long forgotten anti-russian spoof propaganda. Without any link to what they actually aired.
Again, why is this on slashdot?
I guess if they're working full-time it won't take more than three, working in shifts.
What a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive
But if the truth is what gets caught
Russia's phony story gets bought.
Burma Shave.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You should understand the seriousness of the situation. After the turkish downed that russian Su-24 plane, resulting in the death of one of the pilots and a an airborne assault trooper involved in the other's rescue mission, Russia's GRU provided sensitive HUMINT data to the marxist kurdish rebels. Based on that data, a kurdish workers' party kamikaze car bomb rammed an (otherwise unmarked) bus carrying turkish air force personnel. The explosion killed 20 pilots and maimed several others, who were flying F-16s for the Turkish AF. The KIA included the particular pilot who downed the Su-24. Two full fighter jet squadrons immediately lost their combat capability due to lack of personnel and no turkish pilot will dare to go anywhere red star marked planes for a long time... This is how things are done by Russia.
NATO is not willing to stand up for Turkey any more, because Erdogan behaves like a total lunatic and better replace him with a logically calculating general in a soon to happen coup d'etat. (Military dictatorship has always been the normal way of life in post-ottoman Turkey.)
But if Turkey still tries to play the role of a strong guy, their military airports will be pelted by russian Iskhander ballistic missiles (~ Pershing-2 on steroids). You may consider that Blackwater recently pulled out all of is mercenary troops from Saudi Arabia, after the houthi rebels of Yemen pelted them with smaller ballistic missiles made in Iran, copycats of the russian Tochka-M design, in total killing almost a thousand saudis and mercenaries in six precision strikes. There were many high ranking officers among the dead and large amount of vehicles destroyed, because the missiles impact at Mach 6 and can cause tremendous devastation with just half a ton of conventional warhead. It's like a man-made asteroid. many sources think the suprisingly successfull houthi rebels are actually a mixture of yemeni locals, iranian spec-ops troops and russian military advisors.
Key signature of the Russian troll house is to monitor key news outlets (slashdot is one of them).
1. Facts do not matter: if anything even potentially damaging is published, negative reviews, comments and ratings are followed immediately.
2. To amplify the effect, Russian troll house usually has pleiades of the colleagues who will continue giving negative ratings.
There is a separate article about the troll house, read it. It will help you to understand how the public opinion may be swayed.
Wow! The best thing that geeks can discuss on Mar-6-2016 is fake news about fake sputnik imagery.
Trying to justify a military action is a pointless waste of time. Spend the time better preparing and executing the a war instead.
So once again, I'm curious (and skeptical) enough to go read the linked story. And once again there is not a single link to any source to substantiate the claims in the summary (or the title of the article). All it has is a picture of a tweet by some unknown "news outlet" with the old fake satellite image and a crudely drawn border and an arrow pointing to it that says "border". Did someone confuse March 1st with April 1st? I mean, it's something a kid would draw, doesn't look even remotely like anything official. There are no links to the source in the article, no references to where this picture is from, nothing. It's not even explained in what possible way the Ministry of Defense is involved, just that it was somehow "duped". Am I suppose to go google the truth now? Why are all these bullshit political stories on Slashdot lately?!
One of the most famous photos of WWII was the raising of the Russian flag over the German Reichstag. Aside from the fact the shot was was completely staged, what makes it especially interesting is that stolen wristwatches was were removed from soldiers arms in the "official"" version. Russian culture for a long time (think Potemkin village) encourages and accepts ridiculous lies - get used to it -US presidential candidates are not far behind.
This kind of thing actually happens fairly frequently. The various functions of intelligence and counter intelligence are well compartmentalized out of necessity.
It isn't, and hasn't for a long time, just been a story of these people duping eachother, but in fact, quite often, duping themselves.
In fact, I have even seen claims that some of the torture techniques used by the CIA were the result of SERE training, but SERE training was the result of incorrect information about the use of torture which originated in propaganda against our public enemies.
The snake has been devouring its tail for decades now. Saw a fascinating talk that touched on a lot of this recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"