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Report Finds OpenStack Still Being Debated In The Industry (sdtimes.com)

mmoorebz writes: Talligent, a provider of cost- and capacity-management solutions for OpenStack and hybrid clouds, announced its 2016 State of OpenStack Report yesterday. In the report, it identified some concerns IT professionals have with OpenStack, its use cases, and some barriers professionals are facing. John Meadows, vice president of business development at Talligent, said that businesses should have confidence in the path OpenStack is taking. "Companies considering adopting OpenStack should understand that there are still challenges with regards to complexity and deployment," said Meadows. "A successful OpenStack deployment will include some mix of technical expertise, operational tools, and the support of a solid OpenStack partner." Additionally, the shift to an on-demand cloud for IT service delivery requires a new approach to tracking, managing and comparing IT resources, said Meadows. Management tools should be designed to support automation, and deliver real-time insight for OpenStack adoption.

32 comments

  1. deep voodoo & chicken feathers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ross perot said that about how our state of the union is run into the ground without a sound...

    1. Re:deep voodoo & chicken feathers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally rad, man

  2. BUZZWORD BINGO! by mpoulton · · Score: 1

    I suspect that the real story here is that buzzword-technobabble-marketspeak-generating AI has advanced significantly and the summary was actually composed by an autonomous system. The bad news: The computer that wrote this summary has just convinced your board of directors to hire it as CIO.

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    1. Re:BUZZWORD BINGO! by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      For dark is the suede that mows like a harvest!

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    2. Re:BUZZWORD BINGO! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      No, what it says is that there is nothing that is turn-key. This isn't (yet) something you can just choose to deploy; you will have to hire real engineers to implement it for you.

      For corporations that means, if your CTO is an engineer and says you have the resources, then do it. Otherwise, don't.

      For small business that means, wait.

    3. Re:BUZZWORD BINGO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know that Walmart, one of the largest corporations in the US, uses Openstack to run their infrastructure?

      captchya: shipyard

  3. What by sexconker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What industry?
    What is OpenStack?
    What is a "hybrid cloud"? What is an "on-demand cloud"? What is a "cloud"?

    If I have to ask what three or more things are, or if I have to ask what any one thing is more than once, then you're a fucking troll selling "aaS" shit and you should be run out of town by an angry mob.

    Can we wake up from this nightmare now and go back to owning and controlling our hardware, software, and data?

    1. Re:What by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Not to worry. Wait until some dumbass CIO convinces his company to move all the infrastructure over to the "on-demand cloud", and the whole thing melts down in a sea of buzz words and marketspeak.

      It will be a good day for pitchfork manufacturers on that day, let me tell you!

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    2. Re:What by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you don't know what OpenStack is, Google can help.

      If you don't know why you'd use it, they're not talking to you.

      If you just hate the cloud, I'd suggest a new line of work.

    3. Re:What by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      uhm, lots of us are already using 'on demand' clouds ... thats what you call an open stack install.

      In fact, most intelligent companies with any sizable number of servers has, management of failures is ridiculously easier. So much so that the performance loss and extra complexity isn't worth mentioning well before you get to 20 physical servers. For those of us running hundreds and thousands ... openstack isn't even a tiny bit complex compared to the shit we run on top of it.

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    4. Re:What by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People post consultant fluff to Slashdot just to rile up the masses of nerds there.

      In this case the article that is the topic of the Slashdot posting is behind a registration wall asking for spam-friendly personal information. That on its own will get a few nasty negative comments.

      But yes, the comments here are correct. OpenStack isn't a solution. OpenStack is just a bunch of parts. It's pile of software and Japanese-stereo-instructions to run an environment for hosting servers in software like Amazon, Google, Rackspace or Microsoft.

      To use an analogy, OpenStack is like a kit car. But this is a kit that comes missing things like paint, wheels or an engine block. It does have six kinds of pistons and four kinds of steering column but no wheel. You are expected to have the skills, connections and budget to add, buy, manufacture or steal those yourself. And there is an add-on for using a selection of re-branded RC 'copter controllers as long as you drive the car slow enough for a retirement village and never make left turns. The controllers even comes from a big name vendor that a CIO can put on their PowerPoint under 'integration opportunities.'

      The only documentation is separate conflicting Xeroxed technical spec sheets for screws and purchase guides to high-end-fuel mixes. There is no complete DYI manual. There are a bunch of out-of-date YouTube videos on how someone else did it with the last version, minus two or three critical steps. Oh, and lots of consultants willing to charge you to not see how they did it.

      For an experienced Ops team they can take parts off the garage wall, slap in the missing pieces from other projects lying around and be competing in the Virtualization Indy 500 by quitting time if they take a short lunch.

      For the newcomer to Operations there will be blood on the shop floor before the first box is completely torn open and an EPA audit that take six months to complete after the first major fire.

      But hey, it still beats paying for things, right?

    5. Re:What by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious? If you're not in the space, don't disrespect those who are. Just move on to the next article. All those terms make complete sense for me. And if they didn't, I'd use a search engine to find out. It's not hard.

  4. Why is this newsworthy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Product is still being sold, news at 11.

  5. "...and the support of a solid OpenStack partner" by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "And, you know, by a weird coincidence, we're an OpenStack partner. What are the odds, hey?"

  6. Can someone post the report, please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They want contact information. I don't want to give it. Can someone post the report, please?

  7. Keep Repeating OpenStack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OpenStack was mentioned 8 times in the summary.

    Even the captcha to this post was OpenStack!

    Agenda?

    1. Re:Keep Repeating OpenStack by tnk1 · · Score: 2

      Yes, it was a marketing blast. That should have been obvious from the first few words.

      However, since it was about a report about OpenStack, it would seem the mentions were pertinent. It's not like they wrote an article about CPU design and threw the references in.

      TL;DR: OpenStack is not for everyone, but if you want it, you need to pay Talligent lots of money because your IT staff are idiots. And private cloud.

  8. Other libvirt / qemu based systems have more contr by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Other libvirt / qemu based systems have more control over VM settings.

    Also you can drive it on your own with virsh commands.

  9. Re:"...and the support of a solid OpenStack partne by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Funny

    Report from consultancy recommends enterprises adopt best practices by hiring best-practice consultants.

  10. Re:"...and the support of a solid OpenStack partne by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    Well, you can't blame them for pitching what they do.

    On the other hand, having seen certain DIY cloud implementations, you probably do need someone who knows how to set it up if you actually want to use it. If you don't have that in house, then you need someone who can come in and drop it in.

    I'm sure it is great if you have sufficient need and sufficient resources to make an actual private cloud something worth running so that the overhead is worth it, but there is definitely overhead to operating and administering it in such a way that you didn't just install a lot of software to just get some virtual machines and shared storage out of it.

  11. Re:"...and the support of a solid OpenStack partne by ameoba · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OpenStack is one of those half-finished open source projects that doesn't really give you all the pieces to do the job. A lot of people think it means you can have a turnkey private cloud with zero admin overhead - like AWS without paying for it. The reality is that keeping it up and running still requires a competent ops team.

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  12. Re:"...and the support of a solid OpenStack partne by arth1 · · Score: 1

    "And, you know, by a weird coincidence, we're an OpenStack partner. What are the odds, hey?"

    That the word "OpenStack" is ued no less than eight times in the short summary is rather telling.
    This is slashvertisement, plain and simple.

  13. Re:Other libvirt / qemu based systems have more co by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Openstack uses libvirt/qemu/. Libvirt is the default. What Libvirt doesn't give you:

    - SDN, including advanced services such as FWaaS, LBaaS, DNSaaS, VPNaaS
    - Scalable block storage
    - Quick and easy imaging of VMs

    If there is another open-source cloud solution that does what Openstack does better than Openstack, I know a lot of people who would be interested in it.

  14. News at 11 by BitZtream · · Score: 1

    So a company who provides support and consulting services for OpenStack deployments ... says you should have help with your OpenStack deployment ...

    Yet the headline is something about it being 'debated'.

    Are you guys fucking retarded? Seriously? Can you not read? What do you think is being 'debated'? Other than making up headlines that are flat out lies, what is the purpose of so ridiculously incorrect information?

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  15. Garbage by SumDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Open Stack is complete and total garbage. I worked on for a company with an OS cluster and I was on their security team briefly. I was moved to other projects that had more money coming in. OS had no customers, the few offerings we tried to put on it were constantly crashing out and having reliability issues. For political reasons, we couldn't move that project to its own VMs and the company continued to haemorrhage money on the OpenStack team.

    There's no CVE mailing list either. I had to scrape their LaunchPad to get the latest CVEs and put them in our work request system. Sometimes it would be two weeks before Connonical would even create a package for it (we talked about building our own packages .. )

    The company I currently work for has an OpenStack cluster with huge reliability problems as well.

    Fuck Open Stack.

    Also, fuck Docker in production.

    1. Re:Garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can see the problems you face with OpenStack; it's incompleteness by design ist something all of those dual licensed "open" software solutions face - Alfresco or Pentaho f.i.

      I am about to build a POC around Docker in my company, where i am trying get rid of problems regarding the classical way of deploying applications. What problems did you face with Docker in production?

    2. Re:Garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know all those problems regarding the classical way of deploying applications? Docker is just another problem to worry about it.

    3. Re:Garbage by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      I don't use classical methods for deploying applications any more. There are some really good provisioning systems out there now. The Puppet module for Docker will not only handle deployment, it even adds the support stuff to auto-restart containers if the Docker controller reboots. Which for some reason wasn't considered a priority by the Docker folks themselves.

    4. Re:Garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, fuck Docker in production.

      Omg have we finally woken up from the Docker mania?!?!?!

  16. Re:"...and the support of a solid OpenStack partne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...yeah. Word from our OpenStack team is that they're happy as clams being on vanilla OpenStack without outside support.

  17. Re:"...and the support of a solid OpenStack partne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OpenStack is one of those half-finished open source projects that doesn't really give you all the pieces to do the job.

    Well that really narrows it down. *rolls eyes*

  18. BrightComputing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone heard of a company called BrightComputing? Apparently they do (closed-source) software for managing clusters (running OpenStack). My husband has applied for a job and will be having an interview one of these days.