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New Microhotels Fight Airbnb With 65 Square Foot Rooms (nytimes.com)

HughPickens.com writes: Amy Zipkin writes in the [New York Times] that a growing number of so-called microhotels are taking a smaller-is-better approach to fight Airbnb, offering rooms in New York City for about $100 a night. The catch? Some rooms measure 65 square feet and offer a shared bathroom. "Disruptions from short-term rentals are creating a whole new supply channel," says Scott Berman. The micro concept first gained traction in Europe with brands like CitizenM and Yotel at airports and in urban centers. Now the model is expanding. Yotel, which has a property in Manhattan, plans to open others in San Francisco, Boston, Miami and Brooklyn, as well as London, Geneva and Singapore. Pod expects to open another hotel in Manhattan, as well as in Brooklyn and Washington. "We are focused on the millennial-minded consumer, with an emphasis on style, attitude and design at an economical value," says Vicki Poulos. But some travelers don't necessarily agree that the comfort level equals that of regular hotels. "At first, it is entirely novel," says Diana Edelman. "But then reality hits that it is nearly impossible to open a suitcase in the room without hitting your head on the bed's 'roof' or that you are showering next to the toilet and sink."

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  1. Showering by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Showering next to the toilet and sink? Er, is there something wrong with that?

    1. Re:Showering by un1nsp1red · · Score: 1

      I guess I've been doing it wrong at virtually every house, apartment, or hotel room I've ever stayed at.

    2. Re:Showering by BeauHD · · Score: 1

      I've avoided showering because of this very reason. Shower next to a toilet? Gross.

    3. Re:Showering by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      I'm picturing something like a small boat's head, where the toilet, shower, and sink all fit into less than one square meter. You pull the sink faucet out on a hose and use that to shower with, standing with one leg wedged against the toilet and door the other against the sink and wall.

      It's fun on a boat, but I am guessing it gets old on land.

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    4. Re:Showering by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      Pants are optional, but recommended for you!

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    5. Re:Showering by fizzup · · Score: 4, Informative

      I stayed at an EasyHotel in London. I think it was about 100 square feet (about 10 square meters) and it included a bathroom. It was possible, but not easy, to use the toilet, sink, and shower at the same time. I would have had to stretch out my legs. When you closed the shower curtain, the curtain bulged inwards on the shower stall because the edge of the sink pushed it in. I'm assuming that's what that particular line means. I stayed in London for forty quid a night, though, so I had that going for me, which was nice.

      Here is somebody else's really good picture that shows the layout.

    6. Re:Showering by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

      It was possible, but not easy, to use the toilet, sink, and shower at the same time.

      If I can watch TV while doing all of that, I'm going to book a room there for the rest of my life.

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    7. Re:Showering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stayed at an EasyHotel in Budapest for 10 days on a vacation. Small room (my guess: 8m) and yes, the shower/sink/toilet was tiny. But it didn't matter - the bed was OK and I was out most of the day anyway, and the hotel was conveniently located near metro. And I can see it's currently at around €33/night. Those no-frills you-get-what-you-pay-for hotels with tiny rooms are just fine fine for vacations and 1-day business trips where you are not going to hang around in the room anyway.

      I've stayed at worse hotels that looked better on paper.

      At all comes down to what you need the hotel for. Do you intend spend daytime in the hotel? You you ever use room service instead of just popping by a nearby cafe or bar? Do you need a work space? Is it for a short or a long trip? vacation or business?

    8. Re:Showering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stayed in one of those when I visited London too. Just big enough to fit the bed, bare minimal tiny bathroom (I loathe shared bathrooms, so this was a must) and just enough floor to open the door and dump your bags. Oh, and no windows. Actually didn't mind it: it was clean, functional, cheap, quiet (one advantage of no windows I guess) and well located, and being tourists we were out and about pretty much every day anyway so it had everything we needed.

      We stayed with them in a few other cities as well but London had the smallest rooms.

    9. Re:Showering by Luthair · · Score: 1

      When I was in Sweden a few years ago my friends apartment had a similar albeit larger version of that setup. Seemed fine to me.

    10. Re:Showering by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The picture shows something larger than the room I had in a Japanese hotel. Toilet had to be angled into the corner in order to fit.

    11. Re:Showering by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Some of them actually look rather luxurious. This one, on the other hand, looks like 3-class on the titanic.

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    12. Re:Showering by quenda · · Score: 1

      It was possible, but not easy, to use the toilet, sink, and shower at the same time.

      If I can watch TV while doing all of that, I'm going to book a room there for the rest of my life.

      All with the mini-bar in reach!

    13. Re: Showering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Innovation for empoverished people.

    14. Re:Showering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like someone that don't like to shower is looking for excuses. Gross.

    15. Re:Showering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the mirror though, perfect for admiring yourself in action with whoever you picked up in the local bar.

    16. Re:Showering by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Wow it's not like Hotels in Tokyo haven't been offering tiny rooms (Not much bigger than a wardrobe) since the early 1980s

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    17. Re:Showering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno about other people, but that looks cosy as f&@$.
      I'd happily do the same in my own home to add an extra bathroom in some random crap closet.

      I have no idea why everyone loves big stupid bathrooms that are a bitch to heat and do nothing but sit unused >70% of the time.
      Slap it in a closet in a small space and be done with it.
      Add a water-proof bottom-half door and you can even have a bath in that space.

      The bonus about this is you can use your showering period to also clean the bathroom. Completely.

    18. Re:Showering by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      It was possible, but not easy, to use the toilet, sink, and shower at the same time.

      I'm not even going to ask.

    19. Re:Showering by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      It is as common for RV vehicles as it is for boats. [And yes, some people live full time that way.]

    20. Re:Showering by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      That makes sense. They both have 12VDC electrical systems too. I guess there is a lot of crossover between boat and RV stuff.

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    21. Re:Showering by JazzLad · · Score: 1
      From TFS

      and offer a shared bathroom

      So, sharing something like that? eww ...

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    22. Re:Showering by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      And there is a lot of crossover between the RVs and the micro homes market (many of which are, I believe, licensed as RVs).. .

  2. Rack-mounted Hipsters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Finally a chance to sleep in a tiny cubicle without the MTA getting all up in your face about loitering...

  3. CitizenM is a good hotel by friedmud · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've stayed at CitiezenM in Times Square. Damn nice hotel for the price.

    If I'm visiting New York City I'm not there to hang out in the hotel room. All I need is a _clean_ room, soft king bed (I'm tall and my wife likes her space ;-) and a _clean_ bathroom. CitizenM covers this perfectly.

    However, I would personally never stay somewhere with a shared bathroom! That's a bit _too_ "European" for my tastes :-)

    1. Re:CitizenM is a good hotel by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

      ...However, I would personally never stay somewhere with a shared bathroom! That's a bit _too_ "European" for my tastes :-)

      As in "European", and so is the strange guy standing next to you?

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    2. Re:CitizenM is a good hotel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've stayed at CitiezenM in Times Square. Damn nice hotel for the price.

      If I'm visiting New York City I'm not there to hang out in the hotel room. All I need is a _clean_ room, soft king bed (I'm tall and my wife likes her space ;-) and a _clean_ bathroom.

      65 sq ft is barely enough room for a king size bed and room to walk about it on two sides.

    3. Re: CitizenM is a good hotel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no space around the bed, it takes up the entire end of the room. You both have to enter on the same side (gasp!). The far side has a huge window with electric shades. There is too much electric stuff. The toilet and (very nice) shower are well layed out, and the sink/counters are out in the room -- a perfect solution.

    4. Re:CitizenM is a good hotel by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      However, I would personally never stay somewhere with a shared bathroom! That's a bit _too_ "European" for my tastes :-)

      I personally would prefer a communal bathroom to a shared bathroom. It obviously needs to be clean but vacationing I use plenty of public toilets in restaurants, etc.. I see no reason that I need a private one in the room that I only come back to at night to crash in. A shower is a different story but again I had no problems with clean communal showers while in college and if the price is right, that's just fine but my preference is probably a freshly cleaned pay per use shower. So basically just give me a clean bed, a tv, and a closet and give me someplace close where I can pay to take a shower. Most motels that I've stayed in in the USA could easily be half the size and be fine (not to mention that most are 2 double beds even if there is only one person). Unfortunately hostels kindof miss it on the other end. I do want a clean, private, bed to sleep in. Hostels are neither clean nor private. Give me a room just big enough for my bed but give me a key please. Bed/breakfasts in Great Britain were almost perfect for me. Most of them were small bedrooms in private homes and only slightly more expensive than hostels but they were clean with a nearby shower and a lockable door.

    5. Re:CitizenM is a good hotel by jandersen · · Score: 1

      That's a bit _too_ "European" for my tastes :-)

      I wonder where you have been in Europe, then, 'cause I have never stayed in a hotel or B&B without ensuite bathroom. And $100 - that's £70, which in most places would get you a room af a very reasonable standard. I never expect to pay more than £50 per night, and often less; the cheapest was 29 EUR somewhere in France, and that was basic, but still had ensuite bathroom.

    6. Re:CitizenM is a good hotel by Gryle · · Score: 1

      Both an Italian hotel and a Maltese hotel I stayed in had the options for ensuite or communal bathrooms, with the ensuite bathrooms being higher-priced for the night. These were both older buildings (the Maltese one was 200 years old and undergoing renovations at the time).

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  4. Every been on a train by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have ever been on a train the this is elegant luxury.

  5. Going Japanese - Capsule hotel by DigiShaman · · Score: 1, Troll

    See, the perfect business opportunity is capsule living for the never ending spinning door of employment known as H1B. For them, they work, live cheaply in a capsule, send money overseas, and go home with work experience and start a business --- all on the backs of middle class Murica. FUCK YA!!!

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    1. Re:Going Japanese - Capsule hotel by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I was actually thinking the same thing.. that this sounds a lot like living in countries I would never want to have to live in.

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    2. Re:Going Japanese - Capsule hotel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America when it was top dog and Europe before the Moslem invasion - they were wonderful. You should have seen it (dozes off).

    3. Re:Going Japanese - Capsule hotel by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      Haha that last line.

      "Oh you thought we were saying 'Fuck yeah' because our H1Bs came in.

      We were saying 'Fuck ya' as in we are literally fucking ya out the door.

      It's gonna be a reaaaal slow one though, so it would be great if you could train up your replacement before we hump you past the security desk."

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    4. Re:Going Japanese - Capsule hotel by DontHackMeBro · · Score: 1

      Those guys are just the users in the system. Blame the people who hire them. "Don't hate the player, hate the game."

  6. tablet computer controls the blinds and turns on by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    as well being easy to hack.

    https://news.slashdot.org/stor...

  7. Too small by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not enough room to swing a dead cat.

  8. It Only Encourages Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too many NYT and WashPo posts, still. We don't want to support sites like these.

  9. Things Do Not Want by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I understand that college kids and the young may not care about this sort of thing, it's go cheap or don't go at all. But this is an absolutely terrible idea, that if it catches on, will make business travel even more shitty than it already it for people in most typical bottom dollar employers. Already some of these places have a $25/day restriction on food (McDonalds basically) . It's better not to compete with Airbnb, and let the kids do as kids do and focus on the captive audience that is already paying premium because it can afford it, but doesn't want to afford it.

    1. Re:Things Do Not Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed.... although if your employer is so cheap, they only pay for you to stay in these accommodations? There should really be some push-back. Blind acceptance just means employees are okay with it.

      I've worked for some fairly small places that were cheap on travel expenses -- but even they wouldn't put hard $25/day restrictions on food purchases or any of that. They'd typically use only a hotel or motel chain they had a preferred relationship with, so they always got special discounts. And they'd make it clear that "unreasonable charges" to the corporate card would be an issue. But generally, they just let people use their best judgement beyond that. Go out for ONE nice dinner at the end of a project, for example? Sure .... not a big deal. Spend $50 on lunch for one person just because you're on the employer's dime? Problem.

    2. Re:Things Do Not Want by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      Does this really surprise you though? Every new 'advance' in these micro-payment type solutions is really just making another step down the rung of the downward spiral seem acceptable. After the 65 by 65 room, someone will realize that they can just offer a building full of horizontal sleeping pods and make money.

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    3. Re:Things Do Not Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I honestly can't tell if you're being deliberately funny or not.

    4. Re:Things Do Not Want by Adriax · · Score: 1

      Yeah, been done already.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      A cheap bed for the night when that's all you need.

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    5. Re:Things Do Not Want by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Oh I know it has been done in other parts of the world... but again, those are parts of the world I have not chosen to go to for this kind of reason. The fact that they exist is not a good commentary on the economic differential in a region at all.

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    6. Re:Things Do Not Want by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      in some countries they already do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    7. Re:Things Do Not Want by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Let me add, the reason this is done in Japan is because people have to work such long hours and need to live so far away from home that they are forced to sleep somewhere close by where they work some nights. People die because they are overworked there. Hardly the kind of life we want here.

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    8. Re:Things Do Not Want by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I know. And the places where these exist have real shitty living conditions that come with them.

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    9. Re:Things Do Not Want by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      You mention this and I started wondering if they are going to try and copy the Japanese with their Capsule Hotel

    10. Re:Things Do Not Want by skam240 · · Score: 2

      I'm a grown adult and I love this concept. When i go on vacation I spend as little time in the hotel room as possible anyways. I also value my money and have plenty of other things to spend it on then a large amount of space I'm not going to use.

      I suppose it will be a bit of a drag for those doing business trips and being forced to stay at these places as any work that needs doing in the hotel room will be cramped but I cant imagine it would be that bad. Plenty of college kids make due with similiar accommodations or less.

      Then again, because i spent most of my 20's living pretty rough I'm the type that doesnt mind at all. Different people have different tolerance levels for this type of thing I suppose.

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    11. Re:Things Do Not Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand that college kids and the young may not care about this sort of thing,

      In my day we just got a room with two beds (and maybe a couch) and just split the cost.

    12. Re:Things Do Not Want by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      As others have pointed it, it depends on what's going on as to whether this is a good thing ... e.g. if you only need to the place to sleep because you'll hardly be in the room but must have a "base" while you're somewhere.

      I first ran into something like this about 10 years ago. In the bottom of the Helsinki airport, there is a Scandic Hotel and each room is about 5m by 3m (probably about double what's in the summary). It's actually a great place to stay when you have a flight before 7am (which would require you to be in line by 0530 or earlier). You can check in the night before, all you really need it for is to sleep and the basic bathroom needs, and you have no travel time to the airport in early morning so you can actually sleep a little longer. I wouldn't want to stay a week there, but in the circumstance I used it for, it was a great thing.

    13. Re:Things Do Not Want by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      I honestly can't tell if you're being deliberately funny or not.

      There is no way I would want to stay in something like that but a full height room the same size as a king size bed with a TV in the corner, wifi, and a real wooden lockable door and I would be fine. I only use the bed, the wifi, and occasionally the TV. I have no need for the sofa, coffee table, lamps, and all the other wasted space in a typical motel room. A room with an 8ft ceiling the size of a king size bed (or maybe a couple feet on one side to walk) would be fine. Have a 4ft shelf at the end of the bed for a microwave, small fridge, coffee maker, and TV. You've now more than doubled the capacity of your motel so presumably should be able to charge half the price. Oh, and if I stay more than one night and less than a week, don't include any room service and give me an additional discount as noone I know changes their sheets at home every night.

    14. Re:Things Do Not Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $25/day means Mcdonalds to you? I've had $25 per diems from research jobs at a university, and it wasn't that hard to keep to that, even when trying to make sure there was enough for a beer or two. The only times it was a problem was with conference centers in a food desert, surrounded by only high end places with no grocery or convenience stores around. In that case, you wouldn't have had McDonalds as an option anyway.

      Besides, the kids have had hostels. This seems more for adults that want a bit more privacy but still save money. And in my experience, it works quite well from travels overseas, where we weren't spending much time in the hotel room anyway, for either business trips or vacations.

    15. Re:Things Do Not Want by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      for people in most typical bottom dollar employers.

      You're not describing a hotel problem.

    16. Re:Things Do Not Want by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Living conditions? It's a bed! It's not about living.

      I had this argument last time I went on holidays. I suggested the cheapest and nastiest room we could find against a bit of arguing. My point was that I will sleep at a hotel. I will not "stay" at a hotel. If you intend to go to a wonderful new city and spend the entire time in a hotel then look for something 5 star.

      When I'm on business travel I have different requirements to when I am on holidays where all I need is a clean bed and somewhere to quickly wash myself. Hotels don't need to promote "living" conditions.

    17. Re:Things Do Not Want by evilviper · · Score: 2

      I understand that college kids and the young may not care about this sort of thing, it's go cheap or don't go at all. But this is an absolutely terrible idea

      I am an adult, and I go CAMPING... For FUN! Do you have any idea how tiny a tent is? The biggest, fanciest ones give you less room than this, and the ones you can actually pack-in are smaller than the your bed...

      Personally, my #1 concern is NOISE. I prefer motels to hotels because of the slightly reduced NOISE (i.e. insulated and weather-stripped exterior door). If these tiny rooms are super-noise proofed, I'm all-over them. If they're NOT, then god help you trying to sleep in a hotel room with four times as many neighbors in the same space...

      that if it catches on, will make business travel even more shitty than it already it for people in most typical bottom dollar employers.

      If you work for a shitty company, they will put you up in shitty accommodations. End of story. I've seen plenty of times where the cheapest motels were adjacent to trailer parks, and overflowing with migrant laborers and homeless loitering in the parking lot all hours of the night. This could easily be a huge improvement over situations like that.

      Low-cost micro hotels could make things worse, but they might make things better, too... When employees aren't happy with the cheapest options available, employers usually start doing a flat-rate payout, which might be a bit more than you paid for your cheap lodgings, or it might be cash to use towards more expensive accommodations that you prefer.

      Already some of these places have a $25/day restriction on food (McDonalds basically) .

      You sound like quite a twit. Do you go to restaurants 3X a day while you're at home? It's absurd to expect that kind of luxury treatment, at someone else's expense, while you're traveling. Most fast-food restaurant meals will come in under that limit, and something simple like packing a damn sandwich will make it easy to come in well-below it, making room for at least one stop at a nicer eatery.

      I'm betting you'd feel entirely different about travel allowances if you saw how they affected your salary. I'd sure rather put a lid on those abusers of travel expensing, and get better pay in return.

      It's better not to compete with Airbnb, and let the kids do as kids do and focus on the captive audience that is already paying premium because it can afford it

      Micro hotels and capsule hotels are a great idea! Those who want to go cheaply now have an option to do so. And in return, there is much less demand for the higher priced accommodations, which should lower those prices, too. Of course expensive hotels would prefer to be the only option around, driving up travel prices and giving them captive customer cash-flow, but too bad for them. They can adapt (lower prices) or die.

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    18. Re:Things Do Not Want by edittard · · Score: 1

      Do you go to restaurants 3X a day while you're at home?

      No.

      Do you take an oven, hob, microwave, fridge-freezer and store cupboard with you when you go on a trip?

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    19. Re:Things Do Not Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Living conditions? It's a bed! It's not about living.

      I had this argument last time I went on holidays. I suggested the cheapest and nastiest room we could find against a bit of arguing. My point was that I will sleep at a hotel. I will not "stay" at a hotel. If you intend to go to a wonderful new city and spend the entire time in a hotel then look for something 5 star.

      When I'm on business travel I have different requirements to when I am on holidays where all I need is a clean bed and somewhere to quickly wash myself. Hotels don't need to promote "living" conditions.

      Sounds like you're either single, divorced, or soon to be divorced.

    20. Re:Things Do Not Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you implying it is impossible to go down a store and buy pre-cooked food and eat it, for considerably less than even McDonalds food?

      Also, what the hell would they be buying at McDonalds that is $25/day? Sounds like someone is fat and making excuses for their crap diet.
      Eating fast food 3 times a day because they were too stupid to do basic research on the area they are being sent out to for a period is the issue.

      We live in 2016, not 1916. We can search up the damn owners of every building on Facebook, usually.
      There is no excuse to look around to find all the nice little family run cafés and bars with good, tasty and usually healthier food than typical take-away and fast food joints.

    21. Re:Things Do Not Want by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      When I was talking about living conditions, I was referring to the pod hotels in Japan. The reason those are a thing is because people are expected to work such long hours and so far away from home that they don't have time to go back even to sleep.

      Now about staying on vacation. I do see your point, but you must have some sort of minimum requirements. The last hotel that I scrimped on, thinking I just needed a place to sleep, had a prostitute in the next room. There were no baseboards, the carpet was dirty, there was a hole in the wall and an eye painted on the back of the bathroom door. The john from the next door room watched us as we emptied out our vehicle of our luggage for the night. We considered pushing furniture up against the door. We slept above the sheets for obvious reasons and, frankly, I was shocked that our vehicle was there the next morning. I don't find this kind of lodging relaxing and I swore never to do this on vacation again. I certainly wouldn't have stayed there if I had a family. I've stayed at two resorts and they have been in disrepair. Complaints mean nothing to them.

      Your minimum requirements are obviously different then mine. I like to relax on my vacations and I don't find that kind of lodging relaxing. As a consumer I don't understand a system where we must pay $200 more a night to get $3 worth of shampoo and conditioner and clean sheets. Capitalism loves the lowest common denominator. I'm glad you enjoy where you stay, I really am, but some day you will find that you aren't getting what you expect either. One day you'll have to stay with your entire family in a 65 square foot room or be split into sleeping pods, or just sleep in your rental car. That's just the way capitalism works I guess.

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    22. Re:Things Do Not Want by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Your minimum requirements are obviously different then mine. I like to relax on my vacations and I don't find that kind of lodging relaxing. As a consumer I don't understand a system where we must pay $200 more a night to get $3 worth of shampoo and conditioner and clean sheets.

      It's not minimum requirements, it's expectations. I went on a cruise once. Expensive, clean, I was completely taken care of and bored out of my frigging mind. I relax at home. I go on vacation to see things and do things.

      Booked into a BnB in Luxembourg this coming weekend. 3 of us 100euro / night. Even has a sauna and a pool. I doubt I'll be using anything other than the shower and collapse in the bed, maybe eat the breakfast.

      Hotels are a convenience factor. You may think you're paying for shampoo and a bed, but what you're actually paying for is Shampoo, bed, perpetual cleanliness, management, someone to serve your every beck and call whenever you feel like it (2am I'm hungry, well there's a fully stocked fridge that is always full, or I can just call the kitchen and someone brings me a burger). It's a case of the people not using the services subsidising the convenience of those who do.

      Honestly these days I only stay in hotels for business, where "oh shit I didn't bring enough underwear" is solved by dialing 9 on the phone and having someone collect your dirty laundry. For vacation my first stop these days is hostels. You can get some phenomenal things for next to no money and you may meet some great people in the process. Though that's not really an option if you have young kids.

    23. Re:Things Do Not Want by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Do you take an oven, hob, microwave, fridge-freezer and store cupboard with you when you go on a trip?

      Most motel/hotels have a microwave conveniently available for anyone to use.

      Many hotels have mini-refrigerators in-room for the mini-bars, with plenty of free space for your own (food & drink) items.

      Of course you don't need any of that, because a tiny immersion heater can boil all the water you want, which is all you need to cook ramen, eggs, instant rice, potatoes, oatmeal, spaghetti, macaroni, etc. Or can be used to warm-up anything pre-cooked which can be submerged in boiling water, like cans of stew/chili/soup/et al., or any boil-in-bag meals like MREs, etc., or anything you'd like to pre-cook at home and package in a boiling bag (then freeze).

      And if that's not good enough, you CAN easily pack with you enough small camping gear (pot, skillet, spatula, stove) to do some serious improvised cooking wherever you are.

      Plenty of other options if you don't want a hot meal, such as muffins, donuts, peanut butter pretzels, nuts, crackers with cans of spray cheese (or dry cheese) and preserved meats like beef jerky or hard dry salami. Energy/cereal/granola bars, chex/trail-mix, and Boost/Ensure/Slimfast/Nutrament meal drinks are options, too.

      Then lots of ready-to-eat cold foods that will stay good in an ice-chest (with ice), like yogurt/cottage cheese, potato salad, sandwiches, salads, milk (e.g. for cereal), butter (for bread), etc.

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    24. Re:Things Do Not Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow - I don't know what company you work for, but I'm glad I'm not there (and having to travel!)

      While I see what you are saying (yes, all of these *are* possibilities, and I've certainly done many of them when traveling on my own dime, in this case (business travel), I'm the one who is being "put out" by having to travel for the company, so the very least they can do is provide me with comfortable lodging and decent food. Presumably, they've sent me on the trip to perform some sort of service that is valuable to the company, and not so that I can waste my time trying to save them a few hundred dollars.

    25. Re:Things Do Not Want by evilviper · · Score: 1

      I'm the one who is being "put out" by having to travel for the company, so the very least they can do is provide me with comfortable lodging and decent food.

      And you're welcome to demand that they do that... and refuse to travel if they don't do so. You might lose your job, but hey, if your company doesn't treat you well, that's not much of a downside.

      However, I've seen far too many people abusing expense accounts. You might just want Denny's, but given the opportunity, many people will find the nearest 5-star restaurant, where a meal costs in excess of your daily salary. Ditto for luxury hotel bookings. Of course you'll say their abuse should be eliminated, while your level of abuse (expecting better than fast-food meals) is okay, but they'll use the same "I'm being put-out" reasoning you do, and those with more modest standards will feel the same about you, as you do to the more serious abusers.

      I would much rather have flat-rate allowances. Then those who go cheap can pocket the extra cash (that's plenty of incentive to tolerate "being 'put out'"), while those who want extra luxuries can put some of their own money in to pay for it... Just like they'd have to if they didn't have a business-trip excuse.

      they've sent me on the trip to perform some sort of service that is valuable to the company, and not so that I can waste my time trying to save them a few hundred dollars.

      Even on a business trip, you're not working 16-hour days... You've got plenty of down-time to do some of the very, very basic meal prep I've listed. In fact some of the options I've listed require ZERO prep time, anyhow.

      The money you save isn't some ephemeral cash "the company" can choose to spit out, or disappears into the wind... Instead, it's money that should instead be going into your salary, or other business-related expenses which benefit your workplace.

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  10. you mean like a.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh. You mean like a hostal? Such a new and exotic concept!

  11. Shared bathroom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shared bathroom is a deal breaker for me. Make it a 125 square foot room, 40 of that a private bathroom and then we'll talk.

  12. Entrenched rent seekers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm wary of the employment and consumer safety laws the likes of airbnb and uber are clearly trying to dodge.

    But like Taxi service, the Hotel industry is very old and very entrenched and has whole volumes of sweetheart legislation that seem designed to protect their revenue streams to the detriment of the consumers and community.

    Hotels treat their staff like garbage, charge an arm and a leg, provide shitty services of dubious quality/safety, and seem to have their fingers in every local and national political camp.

    Its so bad that people traveling abroad would rather shack up with total strangers via some app they use on their phone.

    Like Uber is doing, I hope they shake up the industry so real reforms can be made.

    1. Re: Entrenched rent seekers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly this. Last time I wanted to just get a simple room for a day (for a fun day of sex with my girlfriend, halfway between our homes) it took me 10 tries to find just one that wouldn't stick to an 11am checkout time. Competition won out, but seriously, even with lots of vacancy they thought they'd play Prisoner's Dilema and try to get me to pay for two nights for seven hours' rental. And she's a catch - if I paid for two nights she would have been pissed at me for being stupid.

  13. Just get an RV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am done with hotels. Cheap hotels are too shitty, expensive hotels waste my money on shit I don't want. $100 a night is still too much. If you just want to stay somewhere cheap and are alone, or possibly just two people (which, for a room this small, you are) get a conversion van. Done. $0 per night. Yes, you can figure out how to boondock in one even in NYC. Even if it is illegal.

    Enjoy travelling for $0 a night + gas.

    Or get a big RV for the entire family and enjoy staying in your own portable hotel room. You can usually get a site for $40 a night or less.

    Hotels offer too much or too little and there doesn't seem to be a good inbetween.

    1. Re:Just get an RV by geekmux · · Score: 1

      I am done with hotels. Cheap hotels are too shitty, expensive hotels waste my money on shit I don't want. $100 a night is still too much. If you just want to stay somewhere cheap and are alone, or possibly just two people (which, for a room this small, you are) get a conversion van. Done. $0 per night. Yes, you can figure out how to boondock in one even in NYC. Even if it is illegal...

      And I'll just cut you off right here with your asinine suggestions, in order to remind you just how stupid they are.

    2. Re:Just get an RV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Stallman is it you!

      You can stay the night with us if you visit the continent. It is possibly not legal and the gas is expensive but you are welcome! We got no free wifi (on your request) but a email via 600bps serial fiber.

      Love ya.

    3. Re:Just get an RV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >And I'll just cut you off right here with your asinine suggestions, in order to remind you just how stupid they are.

      Then you just don't get what's going on and why those laws exist (Hint: There was a recent court case which proved these laws exist to discriminate against the homeless). And that's okay. The rest of us are happier that way.

  14. Luxury by psergiu · · Score: 1

    Luxury room sizes - about the same as the size of a normal hotel room in central Paris or London.

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    1. Re:Luxury by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Luxury room sizes - about the same as the size of a normal hotel room in central Paris or London.

      I was about to say that that is about the size of the hotel room I had in London, except I paid extra for one with a private toilet and shower, so that would have added another 15 square feet.

    2. Re:Luxury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      65 sq. ft is a little over 6 sq. metres.

      Most hotel rooms in Europe are 20-40 sq metres.

      I'd hardly call 65 sq. ft luxurious.

    3. Re:Luxury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      65sqft is roughly 8.06ft x 8.06ft (246cm x 246cm), which isn't even luxurious for a bathroom, much less a normal hotel room...

    4. Re:Luxury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rooms shown in the article of the last link aren't really particularly tiny. While not generous these are normal hotel rooms by European and Japanese standards.

      So basically, old news.

    5. Re:Luxury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The rooms shown in the article of the last link aren't really particularly tiny. While not generous these are normal hotel rooms by European and Japanese standards.

      So basically, old news.

      "Because it's always been that way" has never been a viable excuse to continue anything in perpetuity.

      Sorry if I don't feel guilty questing the fucking ignorant. If no one questioned anything, we humans would still be living in caves dragging our women around by the hair, so let's kindly dispense with the bullshit excuses.

    6. Re: Luxury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've stayed in a room in London which was about 6/7 sq meters, the shower and toilet combined were another 2/2.5 sq m

  15. Not sure why this is competition to AirBNB by markus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am all for more options. And I definitely can see how a small and affordable hotel room fills a particular niche. But I don't see how this would be direct competition with AirBNB.

    When I travel, I book AirBNB because I want an apartment rather than a hotel room. I don't necessarily need the amenities that traditional hotels offer (i.e. front-desk, swimming pool and on-site restaurant), but I do want a multi-room apartment; the ability to use the kitchen; convenient location downtown and close to public transportation; in-unit washer/dryer; included WiFi networking; affordable long-term rental; ...

    I can find some of these conveniences in hotels, but only after searching a lot and usually for quite a high premium. AirBNB (or its various copy-cats) really don't have much competition from traditional hotels.

    1. Re:Not sure why this is competition to AirBNB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's kind of the point, maybe? Hotels are finding their business being eaten, so they're trying to spread into a new niche that AirBnB doesn't cover.

    2. Re:Not sure why this is competition to AirBNB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is competing for media coverage, a.k.a. free advertising.p

    3. Re:Not sure why this is competition to AirBNB by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I can find some of these conveniences in hotels, but only after searching a lot and usually for quite a high premium. AirBNB (or its various copy-cats) really don't have much competition from traditional hotels.

      Maybe. When I travel, I choose AirBNB because it's cheaper. If it's not cheaper, I'll go with the hotel. So from my perspective, they are in direct competition.

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    4. Re:Not sure why this is competition to AirBNB by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Hotels look like they are expanding they only way they know how, drive down cost by driving down quality. That is missing the point of what attracts to AirBnB. I've used them a few times and a few things to note here are:
      a) They have always been cheaper than comparable hotels.
      b) They have never had or offered extra small rooms as a selling point.

  16. What about local laws? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    a LOT of cities have laws against tiny hotel rooms and apartments. Are they also factoring in the costs of legal fees fighting these stupid laws put on the books?

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    1. Re:What about local laws? by slew · · Score: 2

      a LOT of cities have laws against tiny hotel rooms and apartments. Are they also factoring in the costs of legal fees fighting these stupid laws put on the books?

      FWIW, most of the laws on the books prevent tiny hotel rooms and apartments are "fire-code" laws. For example, in Washington state, a transient accommodation provider (e.g., a hotel) must provide 36" wide path on one side of a permanent bed and 18" wide path on one side for a temporary bed (e.g.,rollaway) for egress in case of a fire. No triple bunks and any double bunk beds need to have sufficient unobstructed vertical space so that an adult may sit up comfortably between the bottom and top bunk, or the top bunk and ceiling.

      Not sure that these are completely "stupid" laws...

    2. Re:What about local laws? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Any law that is effective seems stupid to people who haven't thought about why it might have been created in the first place.

    3. Re:What about local laws? by Luthair · · Score: 1

      I largely agree, but there are sometimes laws enacted based on FUD, or just weird ones - http://www.uscollegesearch.org...

  17. We already have these. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are called 'hostels' maybe you have heard of them?

  18. $100 by robi5 · · Score: 1

    $100 in NYC is cheap these days? I spent a lot of time in NYC hotels about 15yrs ago, it got you a nice hotel room, obviously with a bathroom

  19. Hell, I'd live in one of these... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, I'm a computer nerd. I don't need a lot of room. Give me a comfortable chair, a big ass LCD or two,and a loft bed above it and I'm set. I would prefer a private bathroom, though. That cheetos and mountain dew diet isn't really for sharing...

    1. Re:Hell, I'd live in one of these... by fluffernutter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, there is always someone who will pay for anything. If there was something $10 less than a 65x65 room, then there to some people the 65x65 room looks like a frivolous luxury expense. Chasing these consumers will always be a race to the bottom. This is why there have always been health and safety regulations. Now with Ubers and Air BnBs able to work around the regulations, there is nothing to stop from hitting the bottom.

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    2. Re:Hell, I'd live in one of these... by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      You do realize that a 65x65 room is a rather different thing than a 65 square foot room, right? Just checking.

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    3. Re:Hell, I'd live in one of these... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Yeah, not sure where I got 65x65 from.

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    4. Re:Hell, I'd live in one of these... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, are you saying they're not offering 4225 sq. ft. hotel rooms for $100/night? /s

    5. Re:Hell, I'd live in one of these... by Mitreya · · Score: 1

      If there was something $10 less than a 65x65 room, then there to some people the 65x65 room looks like a frivolous luxury expense. ... This is why there have always been health and safety regulations. Now with Ubers and Air BnBs able to work around the regulations, there is nothing to stop from hitting the bottom.

      Despite the attempt to link this it to Air BnB (clickbait), this is simply a micro-hotel as any other. The shared bathroom may or may not be to your tastes, but ~8x8 (65sq ft) is a potentially reasonable cheap option if you don't plan to do anything but sleep.

      I have rented something similar (hourly basis) in London to get some sleep at 4am in the airport and it worked for me.

      I agree with your sentiment, but your sentiment is about unregulated Uber and Air BnB. This article is (presumably) about a regulated special-purpose hotel that is completely unrelated to Air BnB type service.

    6. Re:Hell, I'd live in one of these... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      The point is, these kinds of arrangements are not used in areas where the economy is doing well. It is only because so many people are scraping by, combined with rising prices of regular hotel rooms, why this is a viable business. It is just another sign of the depletion of the middle class.

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    7. Re:Hell, I'd live in one of these... by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      That's probably not meant to be in units of "foot".

    8. Re:Hell, I'd live in one of these... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that is the exact opposite of the kind of people that are the reason this exists. People who just sit on their ass all day in the same location will have various demands about that location. Those of us that are too busy spending time elsewhere don't need special accommodations, just clean and functional ones. Even on business trips where after working I don't want to race around to touristy places, I can find plenty of space and quiet in places like parks, libraries and other venues. If you are so concerned with health, maybe you should actually go some places besides sitting in the hotel room.

  20. New York Blows by darkain · · Score: 0

    And this is exactly why New York blows! I just booked a hotel in the middle of Downtown Seattle for $175/night and it is a full 800sqft multi-room suite. The "smaller" rooms in the 400-600sqft range are about the same price as those 65sqft rooms in New York!? NO THANKS, I'll keep to my smaller cities with bigger rooms!

    1. Re:New York Blows by fizzup · · Score: 1

      I just booked a hotel in the middle of Downtown Seattle for $175/night and it is a full 800sqft multi-room suite.

      Oh, snap. At that price did they still make you stay in Seattle?

    2. Re:New York Blows by skam240 · · Score: 1

      You judge cities based on the hotel rooms? You do realize there's a whole world of culture and excitement in most major cities you visit outside of the hotel room?

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  21. Hostel accommodations... by dasgoober · · Score: 2

    ... at a hostile price

  22. Good Silicon Valley Apartment by bezenek · · Score: 1

    This would make a good (affordable) Silicon Valley apartment. The 610 sq. ft. place I rented back in 2005 for $700/month now goes for $2100/month. If I were a recent college graduate starting out in Silicon Valley, a very small apartment similar to these hotel rooms would be a great way to start saving to get into something I could own.

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    1. Re:Good Silicon Valley Apartment by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Low-income areas in Washington, California (even around San Francisco), New York (western state especially, but some low-income areas in NYC), and really all over the United States can get as low as 60 cents per square foot; a $1/sqft model is reasonable as a reflection of the current low-income retail market everywhere.

      In my Citizen's Dividend plan, I suggest 244sqft apartments at a $300/month budget in 2013. That's estimating $1.33/sqft, which is pretty high: a 610sqft place would be $811, and I've rented within 3/4 mile of two railway stations and even closer to a $200,000 art school for $725 for 750sqft.

      People tell me it's undignified for a person to live in so little space; I tell them 600,000 Americans are living in alleyways, 4.8 million families (about 17 million Americans) are in homes only thanks to HUD assistance; and 48 million Americans go without enough food everyday. Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.

  23. The Future is NOW! by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

    This is what we call, the race to the bottom.

    1. Re:The Future is NOW! by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of other options out there. No reason you must stay in such a hotel. There are many traditional hotels with larger rooms, there's AirBnB...

  24. Micro hotels make sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hotel prices are through the roof. Many people don't care where they sleep as long as it is on a clean bed. I was thinking even micro apartments might be a thing with people who can't afford rent.

  25. Math by s.petry · · Score: 1

    The room is not 65' by 65', it's 65 Square feet. Which means 10' x 6'6", or a shade better than an average prison cell. You want to pay $100.00 USD to sit in jail for a night? good grief, no thanks!

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    1. Re:Math by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Well the better prisons do offer meals, a library, and an exercise yard in addition to a cot, a toilet, and a gang rape.

    2. Re:Math by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a berth on the Autotrain. Done that. Works pretty well.

  26. Sounds expensive still by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nothing wrong with what they're offering. As someone who stayed in a Chungking guesthouse in Hong Kong for $20 a night, 65 square feet would have been luxury!

    A bed and a door that locks is all a lot of people need.

  27. $100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for about $100 a night. The catch?

    I thought that was the catch.

  28. The over-hype by tanveer1979 · · Score: 1

    Whenever we traveled in Europe, Airbnb rates were quite comparable to hotel rates. In some cases even higher. Only advantage? Finding a quaint little cottage in the middle of nowhere.

    I think its just like another hotel chain entering the area. If your area does not have 100% hotel utilization in peak season, its going to drive down prices a bit. Just like a new hotel opening will.

    Its not an "airbnb" thingy

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    This is and AD!!!!!

  30. I have wanted one of these for years by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I travel for business and I travel alone. I don't need a room bigger than you would find in a sleeper car in a train. But the shared bathroom? That sounds like the MBA technique where they deliberately make you miserable in some unnecessary way so that you will upgrade. Airlines have mastered this. They could make the seats with a tiny bit of extra leg room for just a few dollars more per flight. But they won't because they want you to upgrade for a zillion dollars more. The same with the executive lounges, etc. They make the normal waiting areas cold, noisy and uncomfortable so that you will want to go into the executive areas.

    But here is my ideal hotel experience. I book my room on a phone. Then when I get to the hotel I use my phone or CC to get into the tiny tiny room that it says is mine. No humans, no wasted extras such as desks, ironing boards, etc.

    If there are any features that I would like it would be stunning noise proofing.

    One thing that I have long thought would be possible would be that instead of hotels that were huge buildings full of hotel rooms, there would be these little rooms tucked into nooks and crannies throughout the city. Then the management company would send maids out to clean the rooms scattered around. A restaurant would have a few in an old storage room. An office building would have a few dozen on a floor that wasn't used anymore, etc. For me there is little advantage to having a room that is surrounded by 400 other rooms. Being in the office building that I am doing a contract in would be far better.

    1. Re:I have wanted one of these for years by zentigger · · Score: 1

      That's a really neat idea, and I think you could go a long way with that. I Really think there would be a good market for that sort of self-service, distributed hotel. (HaaS? Hotel in the Cloud?) In fact, most people would probably also be willing to forgo the daily maid service (not sure about you, but I don't launder my bath towels daily, and I'm quite capable of making my own bed).

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    2. Re:I have wanted one of these for years by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

      I typically check into a hotel and just hang the Do Not Disturb sign out for the entire duration of the stay. If I run out of something, I will intercept a maid in the hallway.

      HaaS. That is great.

      As a business traveller, I would love a hotel that is near my clients. I also rarely have ever used anything in a hotel beyond the room. Concierge, nope, I will call my own cab, etc. I also have a long standing policy of never eating in a hotel restaurant; most of the time they are disappointing. A hotel pool is nice, but not for a zillion dollars more.