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In Major Cloud Expansion, Google To Open 12 More Data Centers

Mickeycaskill writes: Google is to open 12 new data centers in the latest stage of a bitter war with rivals Amazon Web Services (AWS) and Microsoft Azure. The first two facilities to open will be in Oregon and Tokyo, both of which will open next year. The rest will follow in 2017. Google says the new locations will allow customers to run applications closer to home, boosting latency, and of course benefiting from any local data protection laws. At present, Google has just four cloud regions, meaning this expansion will quadruple its sphere of influence. "With these new regions, even more applications become candidates to run on Cloud Platform, and get the benefits of Google-level scale and industry leading price/performance," said Varun Sakalkar, Google Cloud's product manager. Two bits says those were not his exact words.

42 comments

  1. Dear boss by Kokuyo · · Score: 2

    Dear boss,

    This right here is why we can't compete with the major cloud providers. We have one real datacenter with two more "datacenters" in which we have less than 30 hypervisor hosts.

    And you keep asking me why we can't compete with their prices, when Google just up and opens 12 new datacenters, probably with 10k servers each.

    When we license an addition five TB of storage, Google just goes and builds a new multi-PB environment.

    And you keep asking me why storage is so expensive, when you insist on bending over backwards and tacking it from IBM without lube.

    1. Re:Dear boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Incorrect assumptions.

      Being USA based, a NSA security letter will expose your data where-ever whatever.

    2. Re:Dear boss by Kokuyo · · Score: 1

      Okay... I don't know how that pertains to my post but sure, whatever.

    3. Re:Dear boss by tomhath · · Score: 1

      IBM seems to think cloud services are going to be one of its major lines of business. Yet (at least in this article) they aren't even mentioned as an also ran. Too late to the party, maybe they think they can keep existing customer locked-in.

    4. Re:Dear boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you actually run the figures? Up until very recently, Cloud IaaS has always come out way more expensive than hosting internally - taking into account kit, power, cooling, setup time vs VMs, Bandwidth, IOPS and all the other ancillary nickels and dimes etc.

      Very recently IaaS has come within a reasonable margin when I'm doing calculations based on new kit for 10-15 VMs with DR+Backup on a couple of hosts with attached storage. This isn't high scale stuff that I'm pricing here. When I price the higher scale stuff, 200+ VMs then internal hosting still comes out way ahead.

      I'd be very interested to see other peoples costings on this because I've as yet not seen an IaaS system come out cheaper than on-premise hosted. I usually base all my figures on 5 Year costs for both.

    5. Re:Dear boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are trying. SoftLayer is doing OpenStack, and right now, OpenStack is a steaming pile of you-know-what... but big companies don't like giving VMWare and Amazon large license fees, so there is a push to throw people and man-hours at OpenStack, just as an alternative. It is still too brain-dead to support things like live migrations/vMotion, version upgrades, or HA... but eventually, it will get there, as it has so many people banging code on it, and it might actually be useful for prime time in a few years.

      Who knows if this is a futile effort. HP ran screaming from the public cloud arena, moving Helion back to managed cloud, and RackSpace has been about "let our rackers do the hard part for you", rather than just presenting you with Keystone creds and telling you to have at it.

      IMHO, I wouldn't touch anything with OpenStack for anything remotely approaching protection for at least 2-3 years. I'd sooner just give the devil his due and keep VMWare running because you can be sure some MySQL glitch doesn't take your entire VSphere cluster out, like it would if Keystone loses connection.

    6. Re:Dear boss by shawn2772 · · Score: 2

      Google just up and opens 12 new datacenters, probably with 10k servers each.

      I've been to some Google data centers. I doubt that any of them are that small.

    7. Re:Dear boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cloud makes sense for handling overflow demand and if your business has wild variety in resource requirements on a day to day basis. If your demands are relatively fixed and larger than very, very small, then doing your own infrastructure is more cost efficient.

    8. Re:Dear boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you factoring in the cost of time for people to maintain all that equipment? The power, lighting, HVAC, networking, failed hardware, replacement costs, etc? Are you also factoring in the 'soft cost' of being able to instantly spin up anything you need in the next 10 minutes no matter what it is in a cloud provider, where you've always got a ceiling of what you can do with on-premesis if you are even being remotely fiscally responsible?

      There are definitely reasons to have on-premesis infrastructure, and cost very well may be one of them. But a properly managed cloud infrastructure with one of the major providers can lend a value of agility that you just can't get when you're having to buy and rack hardware yourself - you've got to wait for the truck to arrive.

    9. Re: Dear boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cloud sucks. Anywhere, everywhere. It doesn't matter if it's cheap or expensive.

    10. Re:Dear boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming a company large enough to purchase a 1Gb dedicated connection, you can build and maintain your own datacenter for a fraction the cost. The three main benefits you get is less idle hardware, better locality, and geological redundancy.

    11. Re: Dear boss by Krojack · · Score: 1

      Clouds are also very handy. You're entitled to your opinion in which you clearly hate anything that isn't stored in your basement. I on the other hand enjoy uploading anything I want or need to my Google Drive and being able to access it from anywhere I wish.

    12. Re: Dear boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interestingly, what you are describing is actually just called the internet. It may or may not be hosted on google's "cloud" - or it may be that very server in someone's basement.

    13. Re:Dear boss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know where to begin...

      SoftLayer isn't JUST OpenStack, and in fact, IBM's cloud is the only place you can actually license VMWare on an as needed basis - that's not even supported within VMWare's own vCloud offering.

      But, what's the point? Why do you want to even deal with the additional administrative overhead of live migrations/vMotion? As long as your IaaS servers are available, and they are under the SLAs IBM have committed to you under your contract, what's the problem?

      HA? HA isn't simply booting a VM somewhere other than a specifically assigned set of cores on a specific box - HA is potentially required at every level of your solution - transaction failover/resumption between clustered members of your application server tier, segmentation & distribution of your database tier (whether relational or unstructured data), redundancy of your load balancing & security gateway infrastructure, etc.

  2. To host Apple iCloud? by pahles · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:To host Apple iCloud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stealth fascism

  3. Boosting latency? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Funny

    boosting latency

    So they are downgrading their services?

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    1. Re:Boosting latency? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 3, Funny

      Latency: it's what data craves.

    2. Re:Boosting latency? by Rob+Lister · · Score: 1
      Yea, I'm not sure Mickeycaskill is going to live that up.

      Also ...

      ...in the latest stage of a bitter war with rivals Amazon Web Services (AWS) and Microsoft Azure.

      I'm not sure why the drama was necessary.

    3. Re: Boosting latency? by easyTree · · Score: 1

      I guess it's an attempt to make the internal business strategy of some company appear interesting?

      Tomorrow's post will begin tracking the decisions of google's stationary-acquisition function.

    4. Re:Boosting latency? by ixidor · · Score: 1

      Brought to you by Carls JR.

    5. Re:Boosting latency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...in the latest stage of a bitter war with rivals Amazon Web Services (AWS) and Microsoft Azure.

      I'm not sure why the drama was necessary.

      It was just as necessary as the line "Two bits says those were not his exact words. "

      Two bits? What are you? 80?

    6. Re: Boosting latency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding, this is a huge growth phase where they don't even need to fight over customers

    7. Re:Boosting latency? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Maybe the Verizon tortoises are designing the data centers.

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  4. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    >Varun Sakalkar

    I feel that the time when fluent Hindi will become a prerequisite for work there is not far away

    1. Re: Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yay, free relocation to Bangalore

    2. Re: Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Jokes on you, most of the nerds left Slashdot years ago. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go jerk off to anime.

    3. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indians are bringing value-add to the IT sector just look at Microsoft and Facebook.

    4. Re: Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and in 30 years, you'll still be sitting on the couch like Al Bundy, reminiscing about when you scored 5 touchdowns in one game in high school.

      The rest of the world couldn't give a shit. Beat your chest somewhere else, because you're full of shit and nobody cares. Congratulations on moving the goalposts until you became the winner, if any of that screed is actually true, which it probably isn't. The rest of us are done with school, have successful careers, families, and your chest-out assertions of how awesome you are doesn't even move the needle for the vast majority of people here.

      My $150k/year salary and two houses laughs at your straight A's and being a 'starter' on your basketball team. I can move goalposts too. Go fuck your own face, you ignorant wretch.

  5. Latency. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's one weird old tip google doesn't want you to know.
    You can boost your latency to the extreme, just by removing your ethernet cable!

    1. Re:Latency. by Sique · · Score: 1

      This does only work if you have an infinite network buffer. Otherwise, you get dropped instead of late packets.

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  6. boosting latency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think they probably want the exact opposite of that.

  7. GCP is just fluff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GCP is not even close to compete with AWS or Azure. Their platform is 10 years behind. All they do is PR and trying really hard to sign big brands so the tech press writes about it to lure startups into a crappy platform that probably wont be around in 5 years.

    1. Re:GCP is just fluff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot if you really think that. Google tech is more like 10 years ahead of what those other 2 bozo's are doing.

  8. More and more data to slurp then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    move your biz to Google Cloud and get it slurped.

    Why would I want to do that exactly?
    answers on a pinhead please.

  9. A nominee for the watch list we have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ha-vent had a looked at your rectal pictures or had them taken yet, as slow painful death from malignant rectal polyps to you. Besides a nice release prevents not only prostate issues as well but procreation of you dim-wit, Just clean up after your self or go and gracefully into the night.

  10. "Dear John" - I pity you man... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Why? You're wrong speaking in absolutes is why. Not everyone here "fits your mold". E.G.-> I'm a lettered 1st string NCAA athlete for a national champ collegiate Division II Lacrosse team who also is a (now semi-retired) software engineer for 23++ yrs. (& I was a starting defensive back for a state champion football team in highschool as well as part of a state-ranked lacrosse team).

    * That's ALL long over now, but I wanted to make a point that your overly general statement doesn't cover everyone here either...

    APK

    P.S.=> Re-evaluate your position man - "absolutes" aren't absolute & there's ALWAYS outliers on analysis curves... apk

  11. Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that construction is done, Google is providing jobs for 12 IT professionals! And they say these huge companies aren't hiring; hah!

  12. "Benefitting" from local data protection laws? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does one "benefit" from a local data protection law?
      - In Australia you're subject to "mandatory data retention."
      - In UK you'll be subject to "Snooper's Charter"
      - In Europe you'll be more vulnerable to "the right to be forgotten"
      - Anywhere outside the US you'll be more vulnerable to the NSA

    Yet Google will still comply with "lawful" process in the US. Perhaps it makes sense to buy hosting in a country that's disinterested in you, like Iceland or Russia, but it seems you can only lose by involving a second country if you have no choice about the first.

    Please, someone draw a diagram, and show me where the benefit is coming from.

    I'm not one of those blowhards who goes about saying, "If the NSA wants onto your computer there's nothing you can do so let's end this discussion and give up on all mitigations since we can't arrive at a comforting absolute, and I have to get an absolute answer to everything." I understand one can increase the costs of attacks to make the attacker less likely to go through with them, depending on the target's value. I understand some strategies can make attacks easier to discover even if they're not easier to block, ex. "secret warrants" -> normal warrants would be an enormous improvement. but I don't understand the benefit here of involving a second country.

    If Microsoft wins, that could be a benefit to go on the diagram:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corporation_v._United_States_of_America

    I hope they win, but so far they're losing. Maybe they succeeded in making a secret warrant into a normal warrant? If so, can they do it every time they get a secret warrant? I doubt it. I think it's unrepeatable and worthless, even for that small mitigation.

    Courts don't often seem to acknowledge limits to their own power, nor restrain themselves when retaliating toward subjects trying to impose limits.

    A lot of European companies are demanding data storage jurisdiction, claiming fears of industrial espionage, but it's hard to see it as anything but fuzzy-headedness and sullen protectionism.

  13. Of course the "quote" is polished by nicolaiplum · · Score: 1

    I've been the person "quoted" as saying something like that. Anyone with integrity will not have anything attributed to them that they wouldn't want to have said. But what you say for the record is not usually the first thing that comes out of your mouth. Anyone making a speech or an announcement will run through some phrasing, practice it on others, etc.

    "Yeah, it's gonna let you have the local regulation laws, more people can run their stuff with lower latency, some of them care a lot about that, uh, even though we know it barely matters, and we'll be cheaper than the other guys, mostly." - becomes the quote you read.

    I've given my colleagues good phrases to use and they use them, or they've asked me how something sounds and that's co-created.

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