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K-12 CS Framework Calls For Teaching Kids Responsible Use of Avatars and Emoji

theodp writes: If you're wondering what corporate-backed Computer Science for All might look like, check out the new Framework for K-12 CS Education draft, the handiwork of educators, Microsoft, Google, Apple and others, which "identifies the powerful ideas in computer science as core concepts and practices for all K-12 students." Among these is the still-to-be-completed Practice 5 — Fostering an Inclusive Computing Culture — which says that by grade 12, students should be able to: "Identify issues of diversity in depictions of people within computing artifacts. For example, a set of emoji depicts only males playing sports or the avatars in a game present only Caucasian people." In other K-12 CS news, the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics suggests CS for All may not be all it's cracked up to be.

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  1. Responsible use?! by the_skywise · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't use the poo emoji?

    Don't use the dead face and gun emoji next to each other?

    sigh...

    1. Re:Responsible use?! by BorgAssimilator · · Score: 2

      When I first read the title I thought it was going to be along the lines of how to not overuse emojis. I guess that's just my wishful thinking.

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    2. Re:Responsible use?! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      Wholly Fuck....

      Is there seriously something people need to learn and worry about?

      How about how to actually USE a fucking computer? How about greater emphasis on Civics classes, so we won't be overrun by boneheads that have NO idea about how the US Federal government works...or at least how it is supposed to work?

      Diversity with fucking emojis? Seriously, this is a solution looking desperately for a fucking problem....

      Ok...enough coffee for me this morning....

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    3. Re: Responsible use?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how will kids learn to code if they don't realize that arrays are a tool of patriarchal hegemonic misogyny that is oppressing women and causing 3 out of 4 women to be raped while earning nothing to the dollar and having to eat a handful of gravel for breakfast?

  2. So, it's not about computing by Brett+Buck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Social Justice Warriors, activate! We won't teach anyone computing or logic - be we will indoctrinate them to apply every possible micro-inequity and micro-aggression.

    1. Re:So, it's not about computing by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0

      This is important. We need to teach society to put a female on the Basketball team so we can get our gangbang on after the game.

    2. Re:So, it's not about computing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Social Justice in education: the theory that virtue can somehow be taught. Socrates had something to say about that.

      If we entrust elementary and high school teachers with teaching justice and virtue and love to our children, and these teachers do as good a job teaching them as they do teaching grammar and math, we will be the most unjust, depraved, and hateful nation on the face of the earth.

    3. Re:So, it's not about computing by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Nothing new. The CS For All has never been about computer science. It's about creating malleable employees that can get started right away on trivial tasks without needing to go to college or a trade school first. I mean how can we compete with third world countries paying $4/day to their workers (or $2/day if they're children) if our workers have college loans to pay off?

      People outside of CS have absolutely no clue what CS is, some probably think it's equivalent to programming, and a depressingly large number probably associate it with creating web sites. Why do you see this only in CS? I don't hear people bitch that more EE grads need to know how to solder, that learning Laplace transforms as a freshman is a waste of time because Matlab can do that for you, and so forth. But in CS there's a race to the bottom.

  3. Wut?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, dumbass SJWs!

    Focusing on race ALL THE FUCKING TIME makes YOU the racist.

    1. Re:Wut?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that they are racist makes them racist.

  4. really? by Virtucon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is the proper use of an emoji is now something we want taught in schools? This is ridiculous. Teach Johnny and Lisa to read instead of worrying about a fucking smiley..

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    1. Re:really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Is the proper use of an emoji is now something we want taught in schools? This is ridiculous. Teach Johnny and Lisa to read instead of worrying about a fucking smiley..

      B-b-but, proper use of emojis is important!!! C'mon, seriously! How many times have you had a resume come across your desk and thought "well, his qualifications looks good, but his cover letter could really use a couple of smileys"?

  5. Summary of haet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How dare you suggest that the corporate-and-politically-correct SJW slant is somehow not germane to CS. SJW is always germane, relevant, and appropriate! And PC even moreso! PC, both Politically Correct and Personal Computing. Righteous match made in heaven!

  6. Teaching? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But teaching grammar, punctuation, spelling and actual English is right out! Go figure.

  7. When I watch the NBA . . . by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    . . . I don't see a whole lot of white role models. When I look at hospital staff, I don't see a lot of male nurses. Where's the outrage there? Oh right, I'm a straight white male . . . the entirety of the world's problems are my fault. Fuck me.

    1. Re: When I watch the NBA . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because men aren't caring people. So often they're rapists and robbers. It's how they're wired.

    2. Re: When I watch the NBA . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And worse, they vote for Trump.

    3. Re:When I watch the NBA . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much.
      Women are now getting the majority of bachelor's degrees in Math and Science... but they still aren't happy with being excluded from the STEM field because they aren't getting a healthy share of the degrees in engineering and physics... Though they are getting something like 80% of the degrees in the biomed fields...

      There is plenty of inequality in the world, but over correcting isn't going to fix the problem, it's just going to shift it somewhere else, and it's going to be a generation before men can be taken seriously about the discrimination that is directed towards us. Like in the courts, or even when people are looking to increase their diversity...

    4. Re:When I watch the NBA . . . by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Oh right, I'm a straight white male . . .

      • 1. You need to check your white privilege at the door.
      • 2. Smile, you're scaring the black folks.
      • 3. ...
      • 4. Profit!
    5. Re: When I watch the NBA . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump hates us.

    6. Re: When I watch the NBA . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Men hurt people so they join the army. Women care so they become teachers and nurses. Some men don't give a damn about humanity so they become Republicans.

    7. Re:When I watch the NBA . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strange, in all hospitals I've been to recently, there have been plenty of male nurses. Usually the younger ones, though, so there might have been a recent cultural shift.

    8. Re: When I watch the NBA . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why 80% of Trump's voters are one of those men.

    9. Re: When I watch the NBA . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why they go into tech. They would rather not help people.

    10. Re:When I watch the NBA . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. CHECKING.... yeah, it's fine thnx fer asking!

      AC CAPTCHA: "outlive"; I think that-there is a lesson for us All!

    11. Re:When I watch the NBA . . . by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Usually the younger ones, though, so there might have been a recent cultural shift.

      I went back to community college after the dot com bust in 2001 to learn computer programming and earn my technical certifications. Healthcare became the new money major. So everyone and their grandparents dropped computers to get into healthcare. Everyone thought I was crazy to stay in computers. Several of my friends in healthcare are making great money but are unhappy because they don't like the job. Ironically, some of my best paying IT contracts came from hospitals.

    12. Re:When I watch the NBA . . . by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 2

      Maybe looking for a role model in someone who is paid to play a game is your first problem. Just being better than 99.99% of the population at something doesn't mean that you should be held up as an example for the rest of us.

    13. Re: When I watch the NBA . . . by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      He's a man. Duh!

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    14. Re:When I watch the NBA . . . by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I smiled, and was promptly accused of making racist blackface jokes.

      So much for "go to the solarium, it's good for you...".

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    15. Re: When I watch the NBA . . . by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      Common misconception. Actually he's the "old white guy" chatbot persona that Microsoft invented along with Tay the teen.

      MS would have pulled the plug on Trump too, but there is some chance he may become POTUS in which case MS wins big

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    16. Re: When I watch the NBA . . . by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Actually, MS just engineered the hairpiece and put it on top of a human-like entity. The working title was "Samson" but they didn't want to give away that pretty much all the Intelligence in their bot is in the hairpiece and without it's just a muppet that lacks a hand up its butt.

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    17. Re: When I watch the NBA . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Common misconception. Actually he's the "old white guy" chatbot persona that Microsoft invented along with Tay the teen.

      Actually, I had at one time been mulling creating a Trump-like chatbot, then unleashing it on the Donald. It would be really amusing to watch @realDonaldTrump get into a flame war with himself on twitter. Alas, I don't have the time, the patience, or the intestinal fortitude to put one together. If any of you want to run with the idea, feel free. Come to think of it, it is curious to me that no one has apparently thought to engage Trump with the same juvenile "debate" style that he uses in his twitter rages. At least I haven't heard of anyone doing such a thing.

  8. Wow! CS Has Changed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Searched - quicksort site:k12cs.org
        Sorry, there are no Web results for this search!

    Searched - diversity site:k12cs.org
        Framing K-12 Computer Science Steering Committee Charter – A ...
        www.k12cs.org/2016/01/05/framing-k-12-computer-scienc...
        Jan 5, 2016 ... Oversee the review process to ensure multiple opportunities for diverse community involvement,
        including public/stakeholder feedback and ...

        About – A Framework for K-12 Computer Science Education
        www.k12cs.org/about/
        There is a need for more diversity in computer science. Issues of equity and accessibility are reflected in not
        only the content and structure of the framework, but ...

        FAQ – A Framework for K-12 Computer Science Education
        www.k12cs.org/faq/
        Collaboration skills require individuals to navigate and leverage diverse ... The framework recognizes the need for
        diversity in computing and issues of equity, ...

        Review – A Framework for K-12 Computer Science Education
        www.k12cs.org/review/
        the K-12 CS framework and include feedback from a diverse range of voices and stakeholders. If you haven't
        already, please sign up for framework updates.

    Wow.

  9. Please quit calling crap like this CS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Come on. Seriously. You might as well say an astrology course counts as astronomy. They're both about stars, after all. Plus, knowing your boss is an Aries has practical application.

    1. Re:Please quit calling crap like this CS by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Funny

      You might as well say an astrology course counts as astronomy.

      You don't know much about constellations then.

      A group of stars forming a recognizable pattern that is traditionally named after its apparent form or identified with a mythological figure. Modern astronomers divide the sky into eighty-eight constellations with defined boundaries.

      http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/constellation

    2. Re:Please quit calling crap like this CS by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Constellations have nothing to do with astrology.

    3. Re:Please quit calling crap like this CS by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Constellations have nothing to do with astrology.

      Space.com disagrees with you.

      Astrologers use 12 of these constellations as signs of the Zodiac, omitting Ophiuchus, to make predictions. [Unlike astronomy, astrology is not a science.] Signs differ from constellations, bearing only a loose reference to one another. The sign of Pisces, for instance, corresponds to the rise of the constellation of Aquarius. Ironically, if you are born under a particular sign, that constellation it is named for is not visible at night. Instead, the sun is passing through it around that time of year, making it a daytime constellation that can't be seen.

      http://www.space.com/15722-constellations.html

    4. Re:Please quit calling crap like this CS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      According to the astrology section of today's paper "People born under the sign of a random smattering of stars: You will say something today that in retrospect sounds fairly stupid. Recommend seasoning your toes to taste." Would you like me to pass you the salt?

    5. Re:Please quit calling crap like this CS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yup. Constellations are arbitrary groupings, with no scientific basis at all. And Astrology is less relevant to understanding Astronomy than studying human excrement to understand Human Biology.

    6. Re:Please quit calling crap like this CS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And landforms are arbitrary groupings, with no scientific basis at all. But you can not make topological maps without them. Constellations are useful for making star maps.

    7. Re:Please quit calling crap like this CS by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Sure, constellations are referenced in both astrology and astronomy, but only as a mnemonic for celestial coordinates. Not even a very accurate mnemonic, as astrologers use signs, which, as your references states, are only loosely coupled to constellations.

    8. Re:Please quit calling crap like this CS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Constellations have nothing to do with astrology.

      Space.com disagrees with you.

      As George Takai said from Star Trek: (Hey it has stars in it.) "You are full of stupid."

    9. Re:Please quit calling crap like this CS by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      As George Takai said from Star Trek: (Hey it has stars in it.) "You are full of stupid."

      Please enlighten me as to where you think I'm being stupid. When I learned about astronomy, I also learned about astrology. One is a science, the other is not. Both have a very long and interesting history together.

  10. Umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do they teach this portion before or after something like an actual programming language?

    Actual computer scientists have nothing to fear from this CS for everybody bullshit, CS is still hard and at some point the rubber hits the road. All these mediocre "diversity sweep" kids won't stand a chance against their peers who actually learn CS. Companies will realize one way or another that it's better to hire someone who can develop an efficient and elegant solution over the guy who can draw diverse emoticons

    1. Re:Umm by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actual computer scientists have nothing to fear from this CS for everybody bullshit, CS is still hard and at some point the rubber hits the road.

      I worked at the Google help desk in 2008. I got a phone call from a recent graduate of the Stanford CS program who wanted someone to turn on his computer. I had to explain to him that a cubicle farm isn't the same as a university computer lab. No one was standing around to turn on his computer. (Most companies I've worked for had policies that prevent help desk techs from remotely turning or rebooting computers.) Except he didn't know how to turn on a comp. I'm always surprised to find out that computer scientists don't know a whole lot about PC hardware.

    2. Re:Umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have told him that the computer didn't feel like being used today and that he needs to respect the computer's right to decide for itself when and who it will work for. He would have understood that immediately.

    3. Re:Umm by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      Google had a help desk that took phone calls? Was that only available if you knew the secret Stanford handshake, or what?

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    4. Re:Umm by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Google had a help desk that took phone calls? Was that only available if you knew the secret Stanford handshake, or what?

      The help desk was for Google employees who were experiencing IT issues.

    5. Re:Umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked at an engineering company doing software and they hired a cs graduate who did not know how to list the files of a directory. Not only that, but this person didn't even understand the concept of directories (or folders or drives, though this was pre-windows days). I was like wtf. It was an easy job so my other coworkers and I did all of the work and gave it to them to turn in.

    6. Re:Umm by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That instills so much trust into Google's hiring practices.

    7. Re:Umm by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      Ah, well I'm not sure whether that makes it better or worse. A Google employee who didn't know how to turn his own computer on is a sad thought.

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  11. GGTards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watch GGTards' heads explode in 3... 2... 1...

  12. Teach proper use of gender-bender characters... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Funny

    I tested Unreal Tournament 2004 multiplayer at Atari. I've noticed that all the testers were using male characters, including the female testers. I used the Asian female character as my avatar, picked up the sniper rifle and started camping. My coworkers eventually got tired of the multiple headshots, flushed me out and chased me through the level. Since I was the only female character in the game, everyone knew it was me. They weren't happy that I could snipe — HEADSHOT! — and run at the same time.

    1. Re:Teach proper use of gender-bender characters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A n00b sniper is an easy target.
      A good sniper is a modest threat.
      A running sniper is a fearsome opponent.
      A running sniper that has graduated to the ASMD is a ragequit inducer.

      Piss on games that won't let you get headshots without scoping first. (TF2, I'm looking at you.)

      UT 4EVA!

  13. Prescriptivism writ large by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The grammarians never learn. Any use of emoji / avatars is the correct one. The best you can do is teach them what they're for.

  14. Computer *Science*.... by Junta · · Score: 1

    Now there has long been a challenge of Computer *Science* not focusing particularly on the science of computing much, but this is really a whole new low....

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    1. Re:Computer *Science*.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the mind of these simpletons it's Liberal Arts and Keyboarding with Emojis. Dare I say they will render my degree worthless with their shenanigans.

  15. Doing them a disservice by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For example, a set of emoji depicts only males playing sports or the avatars in a game present only Caucasian people." In other K-12 CS news, the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics suggests CS for All may not be all it's cracked up to be.

    I get why this upsets some people, but they need to be told to get a grip for their own good. You know what kind of woman in CS I respect? The kind of woman who is more interesting in talking about CS issues than talking about women in CS. That rare moment when she actually talks about "women in CS stuff" is more likely to be interesting and relevant to me if she has otherwise proved a greater interest in the subject than in demographics. If you spend more time talking about your group in CS than actually talking about CS, then you aren't really interested in CS. Your actions reveal your real interest which is social activism, not the subject.

    "Inclusive avatars" itself makes sense if the software's purpose supports it. Mass Effect Andromeda has no reason to avoid having a black female option for the new Shepherd. Witcher 3, a game based on Slavic mythology does. You aren't going to find a lot of diversity in that universe except on the distant periphery. Seeing a black person in such a game without a damn good reason for their inclusion would harm suspension of disbelief. It would be like having Asian characters suddenly appear in a "Call of Duty: Africa Campaigns" that otherwise lets you fight as British soldiers or native black warriors resisting colonialism. You'd better have a good reason for presenting that option otherwise you're just screaming "hey, look at my virtue signaling" while people are trying to immerse themselves in an entertainment experience.

    1. Re:Doing them a disservice by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      "Inclusive avatars" itself makes sense if the software's purpose supports it. Mass Effect Andromeda has no reason to avoid having a black female option for the new Shepherd. Witcher 3, a game based on Slavic mythology does. You aren't going to find a lot of diversity in that universe except on the distant periphery. Seeing a black person in such a game without a damn good reason for their inclusion would harm suspension of disbelief.

      There was (what I thought) a pretty solid response to precisely your point at the recent GDC. The speaker said to beware the "Authenticity Trap"...

      Recognizing that authenticity and accuracy are not end goals in themselves for videogames. This appertains particularly to the “but it’s based on Medieval Europe!” Trope, used to justify everything from rank sexism to an absence of non-white characters. Put another way, authenticity and accuracy are multifaceted; there are plenty of authentic ways of representing the past that are inclusive. People of color, women, and queer folks did exist in the past, after all. In Jayanth’s efficient phrase, “respectfulness is the opposite of nostalgia.” Nostalgia for an imagined history can often obviate humane characterization and originality alike.

      Don’t squander the opportunity to do something new.

      “Stories are suppressed because they are dangerous,” Jayanth said. “Let’s not fall into the trap of thinking that because diversity is a moral good that it is boring.”

      http://www.gamasutra.com/view/...

    2. Re:Doing them a disservice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fresh steaming bleeding heart crap from this year's GDC? Color me shocked.

    3. Re: Doing them a disservice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's some massively stupid bullshit.

      You're saying it's ok to rewrite history (lie) because inclusiveness is more important than truth.

      Fuck off.

  16. Seems Like a Natural Extension by Kunedog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For a while we've seen attempts like this in the open source world. Want to muscle your way into an OSS project, despite lacking the talent or skill (or willingness) to contribute anything other than drama, identity politics, and an insatiable urge control others (or remove them if they don't fall in line)? Force a Code of Conduct (which is often explicitly racist and/or sexist, dismissive of merit, and vague enough to be selectively enforced) down its throat! It even works on the largest projects, and lets you dictate developers' behavior on unrelated corners of the web!

    Makes sense that they would like even more to impose a Code of Conduct on life, starting when you're a kid.

    https://twitter.com/siloraptor...
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS...
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak...
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak... http://todogroup.org/opencodeo...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak...
    http://contributor-covenant.or...

    http://developers.slashdot.org...
    https://www.reddit.com/r/freeb...

    1. Re:Seems Like a Natural Extension by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Makes sense that they would like even more to impose a Code of Conduct on life, starting when you're a kid.

      The code of conduct on life is in its barest mimum is called "the law".

      For example, while it might be acceptable on some parts of the internet, it turns out that in many jurisdictions if in person you screech "YOUR A FAGOT" at someone then threaten to kill them, you might find yourself on the wrong side of a prison cell door.

      But wait, there's more!

      Other offences, while not illegal, may well get you fired from your job, diserherited by your parents, disowned by your now former friends and/or ejected from organisations that you might be a member of.

      But that's just some SJW code of conduct bullshit, not "real life", right?

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    2. Re:Seems Like a Natural Extension by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I know Linus has called people idiots and said all kinds of harsh things, but is there an open source project where someone got so pissed at another contributor they called them a faggot and started sending death threats?

      People naturally tend to disassociate themselves with idiots like that. You'd have to be an incredibly skilled coder for people to put up with dickish behavior like that, which makes me think it isn't happening.

      The people pushing these conduct codes aren't adding any technical contributions to the projects. It's just cargo cult social justice by idiot narcissists who have deluded themselves into believing that they're doing good, but are really just alienating people without making any actual progress towards a more equal world. A few days ago someone pointed out that Rust was perhaps one of the most rabid communities in terms of their CoC policies and "progressive" attitudes, but almost all of the contributors were still white males. They might bang on about diversity, but it doesn't result in actual diversity. The charlatans pushing this crap might praise them for it, but they're not actually contributors to the technical aspects of the project. I imagine that a lot of developers who fall into some minority category don't want to be a sacred cow for someone else's ego trip and avoid those places like that plague.

      Linus might be a brash person, but if he calls you a fucking idiot, it's because he thinks your a fucking idiot. Doesn't matter if you're male, female, black, white, disabled, or pronounce GIF as though it had a 'J' in it. He's an equal opportunity shit-flinger. If everyone's walking on egg shells around a person because of some physical attribute that has nothing to do with the quality of their code, they're still treating that person differently.

    3. Re:Seems Like a Natural Extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great post, but you forgot to NAME THE JEW.

      The JEW is responsible for 'social justice warrior' bullshit, the Jew controls the media, and the media controls YOU.

    4. Re:Seems Like a Natural Extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This post is a false flag by a social justice warrior to start a conversation about how only racists are against sjws.

    5. Re:Seems Like a Natural Extension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aaaand here's serviscope, making sure not a single utterance of the term SJW ever flies by without a response.

  17. Thank goodness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Emoji instruction, Retard Trump, SJW, police state, no privacy whatsoever, IP hellhole...

    So lucky to not live in the land of the sheep and the exploited...

  18. CS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does CS stand for Computer Sociology now?

    1. Re:CS? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I thought it stood for Counter Strike

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  19. Re:Vote for Trump just to piss off SJWs! by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's no better reason to vote for Donald Trump than to make SJWs heads fucking EXPLODE!!

    Not just "SJWs". Someone scrawled "Trump 2016" in chalk in many places on the Emory University campus. Trivial vandalism, right? The student reaction?

    That afternoon, a group of 40 to 50 students protested. According to the student newspaper, the Emory Wheel, they shouted in the quad, "You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!"...

    Jim Wagner, the president of the university in Atlanta, met with the protesters and later sent an email to the campus community, explaining, in part, "During our conversation, they voiced their genuine concern and pain in the face of this perceived intimidation."

    What are we becoming as a nation? This notion that "emoticon diversity is a core part of CS" is not some oddball exception. We've really lost the thread here.

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  20. In the meantime... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    ...the rest of the world teaches kids relevant skills and look down at the US for its school system becoming more and more irrelevant.

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  21. On making your peace with the emoji. by westlake · · Score: 1

    One of the core tasks of a K-12 education is teaching kids how to communicate effectively --- through the spoken word, written word, gestures and so on. That is why some schools do care about things like art, music, dance and theater.

    Emoji may seem alien to the geek, but if he truly believes the world is flat, he has little cause for complaint when outside influences begin creeping in and see adoption by the masses. ASCII art and the emoticon was his thing, the emoji belong to everyone else.

    Which means that issues of race, sex, politics, culture and religion can no longer be swept under the rug.

    The etiquette of using the telephone was taught by grade schools for generations. The telephone gave you the immediacy of verbal communication without the visual clues that you were headed in the wrong direction.

    1. Re:On making your peace with the emoji. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what the fuck does any of that mean? here's something i've been using since bbses ---> XD

      so what fucking skin color, sex, political views, culture, or religion does that face have? if you're reading a skin color or gender into that face you're the one who has the fucking problem.

      you have no idea what my gender or skin color is. that's a feature, not a bug. i see no reason to use an emoji that telegraphs anything about myself i have no say in. go ahead and write me off as an angry white christian conservative straight male. hint: only two of those words apply to me, and one of them is angry.

      i had always imagined the future would be one where we paid attention to each other's skin color, gender, and religion less. i guess i was fucking wrong.

  22. Re:Vote for Trump just to piss off SJWs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah, i saw that emory university thing too, and i wasn't sure how to feel. here's the article i read.

    they could have used their own chalk to cross it out. they could have added an endorsement for another candidate. they could have gotten a wet rag and wiped it off. my demographic is often marginalized. i understand completely what it's like to walk down the street knowing that a preponderance of strangers i'll pass are trump supporters who probably believe that my demographic is part of the reason america is going down the tubes.

    the fact that they intend to use video surveillance to find the person who put "trump 2016" there and either discipline him according to some campus policy or prosecute him for trespassing depending on whether he's a student or not is horrifying to me. it's fucking sidewalk chalk! wtf is happening here?

    i've said i was going to abstain from the general election, but now i'm not sure. those students and the reaction by the university may have motivated me to go out to the ballot box in november and cast a vote for trump.

    what this means to me is that we've moved past the internet sjw phenomenon of trying to bully and censor dissenting views. this is the first sign that free speech is actually being dismantled.

    if i can add one more thing, the other shocking bit to this whole mess to me is that this marginalized demographic has been voting en masse for a woman that really doesn't give a shit about the issues affecting them, and the candidate who was actually there in the civil rights movement is just an old white guy from vermont.

    when the whole world is racist and it's just a question of who's in the majority, maybe it's time that i stop worrying about the issues that affect a demographic that is equally racist and also stupid enough to vote against its own best interest. let me put it this way. i'm not going to call somebody a traitor to their own demographic because they don't support the candidate i think is their best option if civil rights issues are important to them. however, if i'm supporting a candidate that is not in my demographic's best interest, i'd sure as hell want somebody to help me to understand where i may have gone astray!

    instead we get censorship. actual. fucking. censorship.

  23. Second Life by operagost · · Score: 1

    Read the unscientific "study" on Second Life. Seriously-- read it. It has nothing to do with how Second Life is programmed. They set up a biased scenario by presenting a fake article to the subjects and were surprised when the results were biased. Then they cite one anecdote from a player who said he was the token black in the game. No one suggests that Second Life doesn't have diverse avatars, or that people are penalized for being non-white. Garbage.

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  24. Homeshooling by vvaduva · · Score: 2

    Another reason to homeschool..my kids are learning about the Bitcoin blockchain and why taxation is theft while kids in government schools are learning about emojis. Bwahahaha.

    1. Re:Homeshooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another reason to homeschool..my kids are learning about the Bitcoin blockchain and why taxation is theft while kids in government schools are learning about emojis. Bwahahaha.

      To my eye, you appear to be merely the other side of the exact same coin to those idiots who think that proper use (*sneer*) of emojis is about CS. You deserve each other. Unfortunately, you are taking the rest of the country down with you.

    2. Re: Homeshooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except his kids will be your kid's boss.

    3. Re:Homeshooling by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      If it's not about CS, it doesn't belong in the CS curriculum. If you can't see the fact that it's there, where it does not belong, as a problem, you have a problem.

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      APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
    4. Re:Homeshooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my kids are learning about the Bitcoin blockchain and why taxation is theft

      Oh, I'm sure that will lead them to become well-adjusted adults.

  25. These new emojis are awesome by johanw · · Score: 2

    With the new species-selectable emojies in WhatsApp I can now show a white cop shooting a nigger and a white smiley after the deed. Just what they were intended for. :-)

  26. Good lord. by MrKrillls · · Score: 1

    It's worse than I thought.

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    Don't step on the baby.
  27. "emojis only represent Caucasian people"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boo hoo... YOU non-whites still have your OWN countries to go back to.

    But whites don't. Becase YOU are here. Why? Why don't you want to live around your own kind, in your own, shitty third world hellholes, where you can have all the 'emojis' of your own shitty race?

  28. We need national standards, and testing in CS by Hasaf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am a Middle School computer teacher. My cirriculum has been rewritten for me, starting next year; I had no input in the process. As a Computer Science (Computer Science is now a STEM subject) teacher at a middle school I am forbidden to teach any programming. I am also being told to stop teaching computer fundamentals ( . . . whats in the box, why is more RAM [up to a point] going to make the computer work better and how does the internet work. . . material like that)The focus, and the test, is entirely on computer applications.

    All the time that was going into a core understanding of computers is to be switched to more presentations. I am not against presentations; I just feel that there is a limit to how much time we spend on it. We will also take time from spreadsheet fundamentals (understanding what they are doing, instead of just putting stuff in cells . . . for that matter, what is a cell?). The reasoning is that, "kids like making pictures," and, "that other stuff is just too hard."

    The trouble is that my students have measurable understanding and skill in the topics called for by the district that exceeds that of the other district teachers; so what to do with this? Full stop. Return to a consistent curriculum. That is the district decision, not mine. Part of the problem is that several of the teachers do not have the background to understand what I am teaching, let alone teach it.

    However, the real problem is this; my students are entering the High School with significantly more knowledge than the students from the other district middle schools. I do understand the districts problem, there is a real problem when the student’s get to the High School and get mixed into a class when they “already know this stuff,” and the other students have not been exposed to it. Further, the students from my classes expect to learn, not to review what I already taught them.

    As far as the programming, there is a fear that knowledge of programming could lead to, “Hacking.” As such, it is to completely stop, even in the “after school” extracurricular classes. The same with the computer fundamentals, the district decision is that “kids don’t need to know that anymore.” Fear of knowledge and the need for a consistent curriculum outweigh small, hard to scale, class improvements.

    I was just, as in this week, told that what the teachers before me were doing was sufficient. Okay, of three teachers before me, one handed the kids a typing book and told them they needed to do one typing lesson a day and then they could play games. The second had so many personal problems that she didn't try to teach anything, she just let them play games. The most recent required them to produce something (yes, something was loosely defined), then they could . . . you guessed it, play games.

    As such, I am told "the children don't like lectures and the parents think your class is hard." Here is the reality, the . . . I will say it . . . upper income, education driven, parents are in my corner; but the ones that don't come to meetings, they just cal the district to complain, parents are unhappy because, and I quote "expect him [the student] to study."

    The result is that I have been given, and mandated, a curriculum for next year, as far as daily lesson plans (that don't even fit my class schedule; but that is a different issue). Guess what, work is out, make it fun, make it easy is back in. I was told that my class needs to be a place where students can take a bread from their important classes. As a closing statement, when the district consultant finished telling me what I was going to do next year, he said "it is true, we will have less content; but I feel we will have greater engagement."

    What we need is a standard test so the districts that treat the computer class as a recess period (because the schools don't receive funding during recess periods) will be held accountable. It would also make it clear what content needs to be covered. What we have now provides the districts with no guidance or accountability.

    1. Re:We need national standards, and testing in CS by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      So basically, the slowest kids in the district determine the pace and content of your curriculum? Good luck. You have my sympathies.

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    2. Re:We need national standards, and testing in CS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically, the slowest kids in the district determine the pace and content of your curriculum? Good luck. You have my sympathies.

      While s/he does deserve some sympathy, my sympathies are really with the students. It sounds like they are being badly cheated by the school district. May God have mercy!

    3. Re:We need national standards, and testing in CS by Potor · · Score: 1

      This is happening even at universities. We are supposed to teach competencies, and not really worry about the details of our specific subject area.

    4. Re:We need national standards, and testing in CS by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      True. Nothing is as demoralizing and leads to bad performance in class as fast as underestimating kids. It's worse than overestimating them because it's harder to spot.

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      Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
    5. Re:We need national standards, and testing in CS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was just, as in this week, told that what the teachers before me were doing was sufficient.

      I don't think you were... your comment seems to be substantially identical to a comment you made last December. I mean, it's a nice comment and all, but maybe jazz it up with some updates before you post it again.

  29. Re:Vote for Trump just to piss off SJWs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are we becoming as a [world]?

    Pussies.

    I'd vote Trump if I was American.

  30. Re:Vote for Trump just to piss off SJWs! by St.Creed · · Score: 1

    Chalking Trump 2016 on the sidewalk is something I'd pretty much ignore even if I think it won't end well if he *is* elected. I mean, I can understand a demonstration against Trump. I don't understand a demonstration against some chalk on a sidewalk.

    This is what happens if you have confused identity politics instead of putting the working class (aka normal people) in the center of your politics. If anything is bad just because "it makes you feel bad" then there is literally no principle in your politics anymore. Everything is just opportunism and at the end of the day, you're a tool for the person with the loudest voice.

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    Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
  31. Re:Vote for Trump just to piss off SJWs! by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    Just wait, soon those whiny students will be your coworkers.

    I found it interesting when one guest on a radio show was pointing out how the helicopter parenting was expanding into college, where parents were following and making sure their kids too the right classes, go and complain to the dean on the child's behalf, etc. So right there we have a generation of college graduates who will show up with no concept about how to work independently in the real world.

    Those graduates will find out that they can't get their way when they're not on college. They won't worry about micro aggressions any more because they'll have macro aggressions when they walk down the wrong street. Their performance review at work won't focus on their feelings. They're not going to be able to have an abritration about the hostile environment when the Hells Angels member moves in next door. No A-for-effort when they screw up their tax forms. People really should be able to deal with the real world that has no imaginary protection bubble before they turn 30.

    So student activists from the 60s when seeing something they don't like went out on a voter registration drive; students today just want the college administration to acknowledge their pain. Something has seriously gone wrong.

  32. TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!
    This is the kind of shit that gets people voting trump.
    The regressive is about to get very butthurt as trump makes America great again.