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Repeated DDoS Attacks Force Coinkite Bitcoin Wallet To Close Down Web Service

An anonymous reader writes: Coinkite, one of the earliest Web-based Bitcoin wallet services, has announced plans to discontinue its service and focus on a hardware-based Bitcoin products, all because of a barrage of relentless DDoS attacks that has been plaguing the company ever since 2012. The company plans to focus on hardware-based Bitcoin products such as PoS terminals, USB sticks, and professional servers. "Being a centralized bitcoin service does attract attention from state actors and other well-funded pains-in-the-butt, and as a matter of fact, we've been under DDoS since the first month we launched -- over three years -- yay. Plus we have put real fiat dollars into our lawyers' pockets to defend our customers from their own governments. This is not what we love to do, which is coding and delivering awesome services," the Coinkite team explained.

35 comments

  1. Sure, State Actors by Luthair · · Score: 1

    Instead of script kiddies and organised crime trying to make a buck with their botnets.

    1. Re:Sure, State Actors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Help! Help! We're being oppressed!!"

      - Coinkite

    2. Re:Sure, State Actors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canadians!

    3. Re:Sure, State Actors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the allegation should be read as state actors rent botnets to script kiddies... which I could see from governments like Iran or North Korea that have some capabilities and need hard currency due to sanctions.

    4. Re:Sure, State Actors by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Because North Koreans have such great open access to the internet?

    5. Re:Sure, State Actors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably Russia, since they have an interest in destroying Bitcoin.

    6. Re:Sure, State Actors by Luthair · · Score: 1

      I hear black helicopters calling your name

    7. Re:Sure, State Actors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol...softpedia has an interview in the related links with a guy that describes himsefl as "the scourge of Bitcoin payment sites". no wonder they went bankrupt with d-bags like these lurking around the web http://news.softpedia.com/news...

    8. Re:Sure, State Actors by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I hear black helicopters calling your name

      Black helicopters are silent. Turn in your tinfoil hat.

    9. Re:Sure, State Actors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because North Koreans have such great open access to the internet?

      You obviously have no understanding of how a botnet works.
      You also obviously have no understanding of how North Korea accesses the internet.
      You also obviously have no understanding of the difference between civilians living in NK vs. the government of NK, and how their level of access differs.

  2. Wait a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why can't a hosts file protect you from this? I mean, from what I hear on the IPv4 crisis, there really aren't that many IP addresses out there to block, are there?

    1. Re:Wait a minute! by JcMorin · · Score: 1

      DDOS are not solve by only blocking an IP address... the whole connection is saturated even if you block them...

    2. Re:Wait a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Upstream providers would be pleased to blackhole some foreign routes. But you are right, some schmuck has to deal with the packets somewhere

    3. Re:Wait a minute! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the idea is to make it someone else's problem. When it gets high enough in the chain, it will be fixed.

  3. Ethereum will have similar issues as it grow by JcMorin · · Score: 0

    I don't see how Ethereum would be immune to any problem related to fiat to crypto conversion. Right now there is none because most everyone buy bitcoin first then convert to Ethereum...

    1. Re:Ethereum will have similar issues as it grow by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Presumably, if it grows, the site can be hosted on a sturdier machine and connection.

    2. Re:Ethereum will have similar issues as it grow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is so tiny that nobody cares

  4. No hyperbole whatsoever by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0, Troll

    Plus we have put real fiat dollars into our lawyers' pockets

    As opposed to giving them Bitcoin which isn't backed by anyone, may not exist tomorrow (or even later today) and costs them money to convert into something useful?

    How odd they chose to use the very thing they've trying to get away from.

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    We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    1. Re:No hyperbole whatsoever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's hilarious to see "real fiat" together like that. It's like saying you have real fool's gold. I suppose it's a valid sentence, but still... what an oxymoron!

    2. Re:No hyperbole whatsoever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/03/29/214241

      i'll just leave that here

    3. Re:No hyperbole whatsoever by Luthair · · Score: 0

      You know what else causes barter economies? Currency that fluctuates so much that you don't know what you'll be able to buy with your money after walking to the store.

    4. Re:No hyperbole whatsoever by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      How odd they chose to use the very thing they've trying to get away from.

      That's an interesting statement, implying that just because they provide a trading platform for someone, and methods to produce something that they actually want to get away from something else. What next, cattle farmers should be critisized for eating vegetables and chicken because clearly they are trying to get away from it by raising cattle?

      Don't confuse the situation, these guys are not in the business to make bitcoins and they never were, just like shovel manufacturers weren't in the business of digging gold out of the ground.

    5. Re:No hyperbole whatsoever by magarity · · Score: 1

      How odd they chose to use the very thing they've trying to get away from.

      Lolz, no, I assure you the lawyers are most certainly NOT trying to get away from "real fiat dollars". Quite the opposite, in fact.

    6. Re:No hyperbole whatsoever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then we're lucky that bitcoin doesn't change as much as my currency, the Canadian dollar.

  5. Re:..and another one bites the dust by rock217 · · Score: 1

    Like that pesky cap on mining, inflation forever!

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    Wah Sig!
  6. professional servers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    IT hint.
    Next time start with halfway decent servers so the first time a customer visits, they don't kill your service right away.

    DDOS for the past 4 years .... please!
    Now focusing on POS terminals and hardware .... ohhh gawd, no!

  7. Well they were jerks... by Jah+Shaka · · Score: 0

    Those guys were jerks anyway - we flew all the way from Jamaica to Canada to see them - just to meet with them about getting Bitcoin ATM's and terminals in Jamaica - and they totally blew us off. Never turned up to the meeting then sent us a terminal to the hotel that we had to pay $800 dollars for or the trip would have been a total bust.

    then when we got back to Jamaica they told us they dont do phone support - just online - so took us weeks to get our terminals up and running. currently they are in the dustbin along with coinkite huraaaaa maybe they pissed someone else off !!!

  8. Just use a proxy by OpinOnion · · Score: 0

    I would guess they are targeting someone in the company or they are working with someone in the company, not merely targeting the service for spite or to extort money.. unless they have a history of paying out in which case they did that to themselves. Bitcoin prob isn't going to mature much more anyway and newer/better things will replace it. It was a good effort, but the moment is all but gone and the BIG problem is that it's too easy to track and it winds up being regulated at which point it's an odd an inferior money payment system based off some weird number crunching hobby that people used to have. In the big picture bitcoin is likely a net loss when you factor in electric costs, hardware costs and serious technical limitations. Perhaps they can keep the existing value of Bitcoin and port it over to a more robust and well designed payment/money structure. As it stands Bitcoin is more like commodity or a collectors item than a currency. It's slow, it's prone to far to much human error, the blockchain is right out in the open, coins are too easy to lose or steal and eCommerce services that use bitcoin are immature and often prone to major security breaches. Any place that deals in bitcoin will attract more hackers because it's an ideal thing to steal remotely. The upside is that the big bad government can't see what you do.. and since bitcoin isn't secure that's not true either. The reality of even money laundering is that small time stuff doesn't require bitcoin and could attract too much attention currently. While bitcoin can in theory scale to large scale, it's just not that easy and people with millions of dollars have will invested frameworks to launder money as well as deliver money. It's good for a very select group of people who commit crimes remotely whether that be illegal purchases or services or direct bitcoin theft and often without a conventional criminal framework. Having mined and made some money in the cryptocoin market.. I don't see it as much more than that and it's scaling up far far too slow. Now.. perhaps that's ideal and keeps it where it wants to be.. out of the mainstream, but a lot of companies seem to think its going to replace Visa and I just don't get their business model other than to trick investors out of cash. Without fast payment or privacy Bitcoin sucks as a modern digital currency for the masses. It's a collectors item that some stores accept as cash,

  9. This is the reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why we can't have nice things.

  10. Re:..and another one bites the dust by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop pumping etherbutts

  11. Re:Never Underestimate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    baking cartel

    Mmmmm....baking cartel.

  12. SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I must've been talking to the Microsoft AI department too much, I read that as CoinKike first.