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GE's Move To Boston Could Revive Local Tech Business Ambitions (networkworld.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Networkworld: Two-hundred people will run General Electric from the company's new headquarters in the Fort Point part of the city and another 600 will work in its labs. According to Immelt's vision, the headquarters will be open for interacting with startups and academia in which GE is both convener and catalyst. In an interview with Boston's business and political elite yesterday, chairman of the board and chief executive officer of GE Jeff Immelt said GE moved to Boston for two reasons: to win the Internet of Things and rethink how companies work in this winner-take-all technology and innovation economy. If GE's top management can add the missing ingredient by transferring the know-how for growing businesses to billions of dollars in quarterly revenue, Boston could regain its preeminent position for technology business leadership equal to its reputation for leading-edge research and development.

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  1. Rudderless GE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ever since Welch left GE the thing becomes sort of rudderless

    If they think a move to Boston can get them their rudder back, welcome to the real world

    1. Re:Rudderless GE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welch spent 20 years selling off parts of the company he took over. It made the earnings per share look good, but eventually he ran out of parts to sell so he retired.

    2. Re:Rudderless GE by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      Ever since Welch left GE the thing becomes sort of rudderless

      If they think a move to Boston can get them their rudder back, welcome to the real world

      As per what the AC said .. you do know why his nickname was "Neutron Jack" don't you?

      He was famous for getting rid of people while leaving the buildings standing in the same vein as a neutron bomb.

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    3. Re:Rudderless GE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You too?

      "Boston could regain its preeminent position for technology business leadership equal to its reputation for leading-edge research and development."
      Haven't we seen a Simpsons episode like this? pro-tip: the town gets screwed in the end.

    4. Re:Rudderless GE by gtall · · Score: 1

      Welch was a pathological dick. He did nothing for GE of worth, and certainly wasn't looking for the future. His main claim to fame was cutting his employee roster and cutting back on basic research. That left GE getting into the mortgage markets which is only now recovering from by unwinding it. His had no foresight, no imagination, an android could have replaced him with no discernible difference in performance.

    5. Re:Rudderless GE by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      He was famous for getting rid of people while leaving the buildings standing in the same vein as a neutron bomb.

      He was famous of people slavishly following his business philosophy (or lack thereof).

      "I want you to bring me solutions," my boss told me one day. "Not problems."

      "So you want me to do your job?" I replied back. "I'll add that to my to-do list."

      Several months after that conversation, my boss gave me the "his way or the highway" speech. So I put in my resignation, went back to school, and got a better paying job.

      As for my old boss, he rode the company all the way into bankruptcy.

      Obligatory Dilbert Strip: http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-03-30

    6. Re:Rudderless GE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably depends upon if you were on the wrong end of the axe. In the business world, he was revered, and you don't just rise up the ranks by being the idiot you claim.

      http://www.cnbc.com/2014/04/29...

  2. I don't care about USA anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enough said. The effort anybody spends on driving my focus on the shit hole people are turning this place on is a complete waste of money.

  3. Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Boston won't be a tech leader again. They're not culturally diverse enough to attract top talent and top companies. Silicon Valley is very welcoming to Asians, Hispanics, homosexuals, and any other diverse group you can think of. Boston simply doesn't have that diversity, which is necessary to attract good innovators and the top talent. The culture of east coast firms is also far more on productivity and working hard during the workday than on the playful workdays in places like Silicon Valley. I just don't see how Boston can have a thriving tech sector. They're just not able to compete with Silicon Valley, and GE's move there probably won't be a good decision.

    1. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's hard to beat Silicon Valley when it comes to cutting edge consumer-facing stuff. That's why Zuckerberg moved FB out there first chance he got. Although Manhattan and LA will probably give SV a run for their money eventually.

      But Boston is good for more staid engineering stuff, where advanced STEM degrees are highly relevant if not required. Think robots and stuff like that. GE might be a good fit.

    2. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I just don't see how Boston can have a thriving tech sector.

      Hey - while you were out, Downtown Boston, as well as Routes 128 and 495 called. They all said you're full of shit.

      The only way I can think of that Boston's tech sector isn't healthy is if you define "tech sector" as exclusively "marketing and advertising technology."

      Seriously.

    3. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by hey! · · Score: 3, Informative

      Boston won't be a tech leader again. They're not culturally diverse enough to attract top talent and top companies. Silicon Valley is very welcoming to Asians, Hispanics, homosexuals

      You mean Boston, in the first state that legalized gay marriage isn't welcoming to homosexuals? Massachusetts is in the top quintile of states for proportion of Asians too.

      The main reason the Boston area is a better incubator of tech is the same reason it lost the pre-eminence it enjoyed among American cities in the colonial era: it's too cramped and expensive for industry to grow. So it usually makes sense once your company is a going concern to move it elsewhere.

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    4. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This. They won't be able to make hiring quotas so they won't be able to hire the good engineers even if they can find them. At my company, we have to hire two female engineers for every male and two nonwhite engineers for every white engineer so even when we do find a good candidate, we almost always lose them since it usually takes more than six months before we can make them an offer.

    5. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Boston, in the first state that legalized gay marriage isn't welcoming to homosexuals?

      Uh, yes. You do realize that Massachusetts never legalized gay marriage, right? What happened was that their version of the Supreme Court decided that it wasn't against Massachusetts laws, and then political shenanigans were played to ensure the matter never came to a vote so that the people of Massachusetts never got a chance to vote on it. If it had, Massachusetts would almost certainly have passed a constitutional amendment overriding the court decision. The only reason that never happened were likely illegal shenanigans that prevented that vote from ever happening, and now it no longer matters with the US Supreme Court decision.

      You need to remember that Massachusetts was founded by Puritans and Boston is predominantly Catholic. Neither of those groups are particularly friendly to those who live outside the norm. (And, yes, Massachusetts is still littered with churches that trace their roots directly to the Puritans. They're slowly dying out but they still exist!) There's a reason people refer to people from the state as "Massholes" and it isn't because they have a friendly, welcoming personality.

    6. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My current employer took nine months from the time they said they wanted to hire me before they could. Fortunately, I wanted to take some time off. It took them that long to find three women developers to hire before they could hire me. That policy makes it really hard to hire good people. We end-up hiring a lot of women we know can't do the job just so we can meet the quota so we can then hire someone that can do the job.

      The other problem is that there's a three month process for letting a man go, but the process is eighteen months long for letting a woman go. My current team has three men that are very productive and eleven women that aren't and are all are under a PIP(Performance Improvement Plan). Taking a year and a half to get rid of someone that can't do the job is killing our company.

    7. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've had a hiring freeze on male engineers for over four years. It's hard to find good female senior Java developers. It sucks having over forty open Java dev positions while only having three good ones total on staff. It also sucks wasting half of my time doing phone screenings of people that were picked for their sex that can't do the job.

    8. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We also do those damn PIP plans. Here men only get 30 days while women engineers get a year.

    9. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the people that don't know what a PIP is, it's typically not about helping the employee. It's about gathering additional evidence to show them the door. Sixteen months of paying someone that just isn't working out is just ridiculous.

    10. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got a great off from a huge company, but it was contengint on their finding two female engineers for the same team. I finally gave up waiting on them after five months. I could have finished the project in less than six months, but three years later they're still working on it.

    11. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GE's move to Boston, like most companies moves to big cities, is only about executive talent and networking. The rest is offshored. It's just a continued congregation of the aristocracy.

    12. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the other hand, it's great having a wife that's an engineer. She can find a job quickly then work limited hours using our kids as an excuse. She currently works for AT&T in Bothell, WA, and only goes into the office a couple of days a week. Their firing process for female engineers can take years. It's been great for our kids.

    13. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ours is 45 days for males and 180 days for females. How is that fair?

    14. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Six years at my current startup. Other than a few friends of the CEO, we haven't been able to hire anyone good since our first round of hiring.

    15. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work in medical software. Do you realize how hard it is to find a female engineer with experience in the field? I've interviewed several great candidates, but we couldn't hire any of them since they're men.

    16. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a principal architect there, and I'm sure I know you're wife. It sucks how women and men with families get out of so much work. I'll never find someone with the hours I'm required to makeup for them.

    17. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      AT&T in Bothell, WA

      I recently quit AT&T and worked in Bothell. For the single guys, it was "Seattle hundreds" (16 hours a day Mon-Thu and 12 hours a day Fri-Sun). For the married guys and the women, it was corporate thirties. For the over three years I worked there, I didn't turn on my TV a single time. Also, other than work, I didn't ride my motorcycle a single time other than commuting. It consumed my life. The women and the guys with a family got vacation time, but I don't know any single guys that got time off other than around Christmas. The pay was good and the bonuses great, but I realized I'd never become one of the guys with a family if I stayed.

    18. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hey - while you were out, Downtown Boston, as well as Routes 128 and 495 called. They all said you're full of shit.

      You must of heard the ghosts of DEC, Wang, Thinking Machines, Data General and Apollo computer. It gets lonely in the graveyard of computer companies.

    19. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      Must HAVE, god damn it, must HAVE. Seriously, I thought /. is the one place I wouldn't see this crap!

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    20. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The key to happiness is lowered expectations.

    21. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boston simply doesn't have that diversity, which is necessary to attract good innovators and the top talent.

      Downtown Boston, as well as Routes 128 and 495 called. They all said you're full of shit.

      "I am become WOOSH, ignorer of worlds."
      - Albert Hitler

    22. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Us non-native speakers can post just fine. Are we not supposed to?

    23. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah and Silicon Valley features the likes of Atari, Silicon Graphics, Sun Microsystems, Xerox PARC, GO, NeXT, MIPS, Transmeta, Excite, 3DO, AltaVista, Inktomi, and about a thousand failed dotcoms...

    24. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Boston's pretty welcoming. You've just got to understand that "Fuck you, ya fuckin' faggot!" is how they greet everyone, it's even what they say to the priest as they're leaving Sunday mass. It's a term of endearment in Boston. "You fuckin' fag townie. Fuck you and your fuckin' mother you fucking cheap ass whore. That was an excellent service Father and yes, I'll be here next Sunday and I'll tell my mother you said hello." To which, the kindly priest responds, "Well fuck you too, ya fucking cock-sucka."

      I'm telling you, it just means they like you.

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    25. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Studio apartments in San Francisco are going for what... $4,000 a month now? I think that I'd be willing to put up with a little snow to avoid writing a rent check that big.

    26. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Feneric · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Have you ever been to the Boston area? It's incredibly diverse and welcoming. And unlike Silicon Valley, it's even welcoming to people who aren't rich.

    27. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Boston Dynamics and iRobot are dead? Where are you getting this information?

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    28. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Boston won't be a tech leader again. They're not culturally diverse enough to attract top talent and top companies. Silicon Valley is very welcoming to Asians, Hispanics, homosexuals, and any other diverse group you can think of. Boston simply doesn't have that diversity, which is necessary to attract good innovators and the top talent. The culture of east coast firms is also far more on productivity and working hard during the workday than on the playful workdays in places like Silicon Valley. I just don't see how Boston can have a thriving tech sector. They're just not able to compete with Silicon Valley, and GE's move there probably won't be a good decision.

      Boston never stopped being a tech leader. There are a lot of smart people in Boston. There is a huge concentration of colleges, including a couple of small schools you may have heard of like Harvard and MIT. I think they do a bit of tech stuff at MIT, but I'm not sure.

      It may not be a leader on par with Silicon Valley (thank goodness, the cost of living is high enough already), but Boston and the surrounding area does have a strong tech sector.

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    29. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Hey - while you were out, Downtown Boston, as well as Routes 128 and 495 called. They all said you're full of shit.

      You must of heard the ghosts of DEC, Wang, Thinking Machines, Data General and Apollo computer. It gets lonely in the graveyard of computer companies.

      What, because a bunch of companies went out of business there isn't a strong tech sector in Boston? How does that follow?

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    30. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      You need to remember that Massachusetts was founded by Puritans and Boston is predominantly Catholic. Neither of those groups are particularly friendly to those who live outside the norm. (And, yes, Massachusetts is still littered with churches that trace their roots directly to the Puritans. They're slowly dying out but they still exist!) There's a reason people refer to people from the state as "Massholes" and it isn't because they have a friendly, welcoming personality.

      But you also need to remember that Massachusetts has a shitload of colleges. That means people come to the state from all over the country. So while there is a strong Catholic base in Massachusetts, it is also very cosmopolitan.

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    31. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Mass+Overkiller · · Score: 1

      Actually those Highways called and wanted the DPW to fix the fucking potholes.

    32. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      They're not culturally diverse enough to attract top talent and top companies.

      Hey, come on, they've got Mass Fusion, Cambridge Polymer labs, Hallucigen Inc, Med-Tek Research, ArcJet Systems...

      Pretty cutting edge stuff.

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    33. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      "Must of" is a mistake usually made by native speakers.

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    34. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      It also has an extremely corrupt state government which is great at curtailing individual rights. Software engineers will love it.

    35. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As good as.

      iRobot recently got rid of half their company. Boston Dynamics was bought by Google who couldn't figure out what to do with it and is now trying to get rid of it as fast as possible.

    36. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of "a whole nother"...may as well scratch your nails on a chalkboard when you say that near me.

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    37. Re: Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a manager who's executed PIPs on employees, I'll politely disagree. We set clear specific goals for the employee to achieve, and the timeframe for them to accomplish them. Those goals are based upon tasks that the employee should be able to accomplish at their labor grade, and position. And yes, if the employee doesn't achieve them, they may be terminated. But that's hardly the purpose. We're in a "right to work" state, and I don't need a PIP to fire someone for cause.

      I will agree on one point. Legal is always involved in terminations, and it most certainly takes longer with females, "persons of color" , and occasionally folks who could potentially claim age discrimination. But that's simply corporations covering their legal asses from lawsuits.

    38. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      /. needs a Like button.

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    39. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I take it that you've been to Boston, then? Ramming you with their car is just an excuse so that they can stop you and have a neighborly chat. Remember, in Mass, if it happens behind the 'B-Pillar' (front doors of the car) then it didn't happen. Dents are just character, the more dents - the more character.

      God, I love Boston. I could never live in the area again but I do have a place there that currently has a relative in it. It's up near Highland and Fort Ave - Beech Glen St. I've got family all over the place. I went to school up in Cambridge. I then started my company there before moving to N.C., actually.

      So, assuming you're from the area, "How's a heahty fuck you for ya, ya fuckin' tally-whackin' queer?" ;-)

      The accent still comes out once in a while, "What ah ya, fuckin' retahded or what, bub?"

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    40. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Indeed I have been there several times but only to visit relatives (aunt taught at Mass General, and uncle worked at BBN, and MIT Lincon Labs) who've since retired to Oregon. Love the town, and attitude, but my conservative side wouldn't fit well there. We're also likely moving to NC to retire in the next few years...visited several times to check out Asheville, Hickory and Lake Norman.

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    41. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by KGIII · · Score: 1

      The outskirts of Winston-Salem are my favorite areas w/regards to NC. Lovely place, good people. I spent quite a while there, it's where our home office was. Well, I guess the office is still there - I just no longer own it. It does get a bit chilly there (for some people) but I retired to Maine so it's not like cold bothers me - but, I did spend the winter in Florida this year. I'm getting ready to go home again. Florida's getting too warm.

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    42. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      In French when one says something like "The elephants" it is normal to attach the "S" sound of "Les" to the vowel of "elephants" -- "Les elephants is pronounced like "lay Zelephants".

      Which leads to the childish joke -- when asked to name an animal with a name starting with a Z instead of replying "Zebra" as expected you reply "oh, there are lots -- les Zelephants, les Zautruches (ostriches), les Zhiboux (Hiboux, owls, the H is silent)..."

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    43. Re:Boston won't be a tech leader again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A proper response would be the list of successful Boston-based startups. Except you can't, because it's the null set.

      People can name plenty of Silicon Valley-based stuff that they use to this day. There may be tech companies in the Boston area, but none of them are what anyone would consider successful.

  4. they can win the IoT. Imma win the IoB. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to win the Internet of Things...

    Yeah? Well they can win the IoT, because I ain't got time fo dat, foo.

    Imma get me some gold plated routers, chromed CAT5e, and pimped out spinners on mah eight-oh-two.

    Yeah, that's right, you know what time it is. Imma win the Internet of Bling.

  5. What good has come out of Silicon Valley recently? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't think of one good thing to have come out of Silicon Valley within the past decade.

    Most of the "innovation" that happened there has revolved around advertising and making it more invasive.

    Anything that might actually have some value (virtual reality, Internet of Things) ends up being hijacked to, you guessed it, subject people to advertising while invasively collecting data about them.

    And then there are things like Android, which are basically just 1990s-era technology like Linux and Java.

    We've also seen them destroy a lot of formerly-good technology. Look at how Firefox has been ruined, for example. Silicon Valley has also been the hub of shitty modern web design, where what should be simple web pages end up requiring extensive JavaScript frameworks and many MB of unnecessary images, videos, and other resources.

    JavaScript, Go and Rust are good examples of how Silicon Valley hasn't improved programming languages at all. JavaScript is still awful, decades after it was first created. Go is, despite all of the hype, rather mediocre and primitive. Rust is a joke.

    For all of the hype that Silicon Valley gets, and all of the funding that has poured into it, we've seen pretty much nothing of real value created by these folks!

  6. Those Guys Are Still Alive? by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    I did some contracting work for them in the '90's but thought they'd all been devoured by rabid weasels after GE Finance went away. The fact that many of my old appliances has their logo on them is a complete coincidence. So, what's ol' Generous Electric been up to, lately?

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    1. Re:Those Guys Are Still Alive? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      I did some contracting work for them in the '90's

      Same here; GE and GE Capital... all I can remember is fridges full of free Snapples and all the bagels and cream cheese a glutton like me could handle...

    2. Re:Those Guys Are Still Alive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      GE Capital's been mostly spun off into its own company (Synchrony Financial) after the financial mess of 2008, GE Appliances sold to the Chinese. "Unlimited" vacation time for all salaried employees. At the very least they're trying to be hip.

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-17/how-ge-exorcised-the-ghost-of-jack-welch-to-become-a-124-year-old-startup

    3. Re:Those Guys Are Still Alive? by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      You could get a whole plate of deep-fried shrimp and some pretty good horseradish seafood sauce for cheap in their cafeteria in North Carolina. That was actually a pretty big incentive to show up for work.

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  7. 600 jobs in Boston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another 8,000 jobs in India

    1. Re:600 jobs in Boston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not exactly. Those 8,000 jobs will be in Boston, but they'll be H1B jobs. It actually makes sense because there isn't really a skilled tech workforce in Boston. Most of the good tech people are in Silicon Valley. It makes sense to fill the remaining 8,000 jobs with H1B workers. I know H1B is frequently abused, but this is actually a reasonable use of H1B.

    2. Re:600 jobs in Boston by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Those 8,000 jobs will be in Boston, but they'll be H1B jobs. It actually makes sense because there isn't really a skilled tech workforce in Boston.

      Looks likely to stay that way.

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    3. Re:600 jobs in Boston by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. Those 8,000 jobs will be in Boston, but they'll be H1B jobs. It actually makes sense because there isn't really a skilled tech workforce in Boston.

      Is that why Microsoft, Google, EMC, Care and Amazon have offices there?

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    4. Re: 600 jobs in Boston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked at EMC. All the high up positions are white males. Almost everything else is H1Bs.

  8. #MakeGEPay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Screwing Boston taxpayers out of several million dollars, apparently. What the summary fails to mention is that the average Boston citizen wants GE to stay the fuck away, given the enormous tax breaks they're being given to build some monstrosity in Boston's Underwater District. (They're planning on building on reclaimed ground that conservative estimates give maybe 50 years to remain above water.)

    1. Re:#MakeGEPay by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      Boston's Underwater District

      OMG, like Rapture?!

      (They're planning on building on reclaimed ground that conservative estimates give maybe 50 years to remain above water.)

      Oh. :(

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  9. GE - They bring good things to light by Cornwallis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like taxes. Maybe they'll start paying them!

  10. Re:What good has come out of Silicon Valley recent by Shados · · Score: 1

    So, is there a good programming language aside Haskell?

  11. MONEY was the #1 reason for the move by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    You know the city of Boston threw so many tax breaks at GE, along with other "bait" to attract them. THAT was the reason they moved.

    1. Re:MONEY was the #1 reason for the move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is hilarious considering that you'd think everyone would remember what happened to Rhode Island when they tried the same thing (albeit with a different company). Massachusetts ducked a $180 million loan that Rhode Island is now on the hook for.

      There have been quite a few protests over this, the average Massachusetts citizen does NOT want them to get those hand-outs. As I'm search anyone who's seen a TV recently knows it snowed over the weekend, people were out protesting IN THE SNOW over those tax breaks. Just check out #makeGEpay - this is NOT a popular move.

  12. Not what I heard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    As someone with relatives 2 streets away from their old headquarters in Fairfield, CT, the move to Boston is predicated on two things:
    1) the college labor pool in MA is more plentiful, the cost of living is lower, and thus it's a cheaper labor cost to GE for entry level college intern and recent grad talent
    2) CT state government significantly raised corporate taxes last year, and GE said they would move if they did. This is just following through on that promise.

    And surprisingly, Taxachusttes is actually 25/50 in income taxes, while CT is top 5/50 for income and top 2/50 for estate taxes.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-28/why-ge-spurned-connecticut-for-massachusetts

    1. Re:Not what I heard by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Massachusetts has had a bunch of RINO governors who really did want to lower taxes, though expand intrusion of the state into your life in every way just like the Democrats do. This has significantly lowered the cost of taxes there.

  13. Re:What good has come out of Silicon Valley recent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WebAssembly.

  14. Huge GE/Walsh plan to centralize power, tax scam by HongPong · · Score: 2

    I work a few blocks from the proposed HQ site and there are construction cranes in all directions, & there is plenty of demand for office space in Fort Point and excellent freeway access due to Big Dig exit at convention center. We already have enough Internet of Things meetups believe it or not.

    Muckrock and the Boston Institute of Nonprofit Journalism tried to raise $1700 demanded by the mayor's office for reproducing the GE emails. But who needs emails when the charm offensive has begun? BINJ did a five-part series on the scheme.

    These crony style one-off deals are always terrible economics. The "free market" certainly will fill that space very soon. There is no lack of demand, instead tons of local money already develops this area. In Jan 2015 a parking ramp in Fort Point sold for $56 million or $106,500 per spot!

    As noted above many in the population are furious #MakeGEpay protesting in the freeze of last weekend's clipper. (Mayor Walsh was elected with 52% on 38% turnout). The schools are facing a $50 million shortfall, students walked out just a few days ago partially protesting this.

    In this deal they don't have to pay regular taxes, instead they get to muck around in the local school system with all the purse strings attached as the press release makes clear. Instead of letting the city get normal tax revenue and the School Board allocate money for programs GE gets to basically do what it likes, as the press release clearly specifies.

    Sen. Sanders said they are "destroying the moral fabric" of the USA. Boston Magazine reported in January:

    "GE isn't exactly a shining model of corporate conduct. The company is one of most notorious abusers of offshore tax havens, with $119 billion stashed away across 18 overseas locations as of 2015. Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Bernie Sanders once named GE the nation's top corporate tax avoider. From 2002 to 2011, GE eliminated a fifth of its U.S. workforce while its offshore profits multiplied sixfold to $92 billion."

    Do you really think that some of these Beacon Hill luminaries haven't been looking forward to a taste of that offshore $119,000,000,000?? The centralization of decisionmaking in the schools, by withholding program revenue, is unfolding in parallel to this incredible offshore tax scam. Maybe they want Ft Point Channel access to float in barges of cash, why not? I am disappointed none of this important info is in the story summary.

  15. Re:May revive their med devices by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 2

    I personally stay away from companies who practice the GE way. Jack Welch left a terrible legacy as an enemy of innovation...

    I wonder what source or experience you're citing when you say that. Here's mine, take it for what you will.

    My dad worked at the GE Global Research headquarters in Niskayuna for most of my childhood. He was in a couple of different research departments, and eventually became a Program Manager. He met Jack Welch on a few occasions, and has a lot of admiration for him. I have never heard him say anything that indicates he was an "enemy of innovation". Apparently I even met him once, my dad says I "cost him a ride on Jack's helicopter, because I was too afraid".

    Jack removed a lot of bureaucracy, fostered an informal environment, and stripped out tons of middle-management. My dad often speaks highly of the "rank and yank" policy, where the bottom 10% of employees were let go on a yearly basis and new hires took their place. There was constant turnover, influxes of new people, new ideas, etc. Even if you were performing well, you would never stay in the same position for more than 6 years. If you weren't promoted within that time (often to other projects or departments), you received what was called a "sideways promotion"; you were shifted somewhere else, maybe at the same level, maybe at a lower level. The idea was to constantly have fresh eyes on everything, to prevent people from stagnating in one position. Jack also broadened stock option availability to a lot of employees based on their performance. He was cutthroat, for sure, but if you were damn good at your job, you thrived at GE.

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  16. Re:What good has come out of Silicon Valley recent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to admit, Silicon Valley's got the Buzz though.

    Oops, maybe not..

  17. Re:What good has come out of Silicon Valley recent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

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  18. who wants this crap? by Blymie · · Score: 1

    I wonder what they're going to do with all the IoTs crap no one really wants...

    A whole economic sector based upon corporate spying, in your home, with government spying sneaking in on top....

    Every word you say.. every private moment recorded... well, just more of cell phones I guess.

  19. Re:What good has come out of Silicon Valley recent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love you

  20. Re:May revive their med devices by grep_rocks · · Score: 1

    As someone who worked at GRC for 13 years, I definelty had a different perception of the 10% policy - usually about 3 months before performance reviews the knives would come out, everybody would be searching for someone to throw under the bus, the only people who were safe were people who sucked up to their manager - if fact, perversely, the policy had the opposite effect as was intendend, the system preserved incompetent sociopaths who were execellent in sucking up and blaming others for thier own failures and GE often would kick out technically capable people who were not into the survivor game GE turned into every year. I sleep much better after leaving that place.I am now management at another company and from my GE expericence I make it a point to sniff out and fire - suck ups, narcissists and sociopaths who blame others for their own incompetence who ruin the organization like they did at GRC..

  21. Baawston by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

    Baawston. Baawston.

    I like saying "Baawston".

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    1. Re:Baawston by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Nawlun. Nawlun.

      I like saying "Nawlun" too.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  22. Winner-take-all? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
    IoT, is going to foster disruptive startups. GE hasn't got what it takes to play in that sandbox.

  23. Re:Reasons why I don't like the Internet of Things by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Newsflash, it's already doing about half of those things.

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