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HackingTeam's Global Export License Revoked

An anonymous reader writes: You might remember HackingTeam from an epic data leak back in July 2015. Now, the Italian Ministry of Economical Progress has revoked HackingTeam's licence to export their Galileo remote control software abroad, two years before it would expire, on April 30, 2018. Until the situation changes, HackingTeam will have to ask express permission for every single commercial operation that involves the sale of their Galileo system abroad.

29 comments

  1. Seeya! by sociocapitalist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds like the perfect time for them to relocate.

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    1. Re:Seeya! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They'll be detained and tortured if they try. You don't understand how Italy works.

    2. Re:Seeya! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the perfect time for them to relocate.

      Except moving the code out of the country, even to another of their offices, would probably be considered an export, and the government would get to say NO. If they do it anyway and leave, since catching it would be near impossible, would open them to being arrested and extradited if they ever set foot in a country with an extradition treaty with Italy.

    3. Re:Seeya! by chispito · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the perfect time for them to relocate.

      It's a double edged sword. The Italian government was concerned that they were doing business with Azerbaijan, Egypt, etc., but also wasn't interfering the same way that a shadier government would.

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    4. Re:Seeya! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to move. Pretty easy to do, just find a country with no export or extradition laws.

      And export the code doesnt count, because you can export it in pieces, with no single piece being useable.

    5. Re:Seeya! by Megol · · Score: 1

      Here's a dollar ($), go buy yourself a clue. Just as one can't legally export classified information by arguing that doing it piece-wise one can't do that with restricted software.

    6. Re:Seeya! by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      OTOH, depending on how big the code base is and how much the "rogue nations" are willing to pay for it, it might be worth a ground-up re-write.

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    7. Re:Seeya! by xrayspx · · Score: 2

      Alternatively, it may be time for them to commit to stop selling the tools of oppression to regimes like those in Syria, Egypt... Where there's a dictator, HT has a customer.

  2. what exactly does this software do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The summary and TFA were no help at figuring out what exactly their software is.

    1. Re:what exactly does this software do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gives remote control to devices, i.e. a back door.

    2. Re:what exactly does this software do? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      It's cool they could sell it to oppressive governments to help their murderous thug leaders keep their boot pressed on their subjects' necks. That's the important thing for free countries.

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  3. Lock'em up already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hackers, so guilty. Why would a company be different from individuals? These guys actually deserve it.

  4. Bad Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Government is just a bad company that won't go out of business because it decrees its income through the threat of violence.

    There is nothing magical about the services a government provides; there's nothing government does that couldn't be handled directly or indirectly by organizations which compete for customers.

    1. Re: Bad Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, the libertarian fantasy world! Do you have a news letter and how can I subscribe?

    2. Re: Bad Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For one thing, governments function for all citizens regardless of their ability to pay. Organizations that compete for customers tend to require some form of payment, because competition.

    3. Re: Bad Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are engaging in magical thinking.

  5. Pack your bags, gents! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 0

    Until the situation changes, HackingTeam will have to ask express permission for every single commercial operation that involves the sale of their Galileo system abroad.

    Or, they will simply move their operation elsewhere.

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    1. Re:Pack your bags, gents! by tepples · · Score: 1

      As Anonymous Coward explained, doing so would likely require rewriting the software from scratch.

    2. Re:Pack your bags, gents! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could they move to a country that doesn't have IP laws tied to Italy, so that the new company can "steal" the work of their old?

      Can they get away with sophistry? If they really wanted, China would likely help. Several countries in the Central or South America could also open up some doors.

      Could they exercise programs being represented by a number, and just make insignificant changes and be closed sourced?

      How about a corporate inversion? That seems to be popular. Would that allow an out of country (but within EU) company to use their code base?

      Another way to look at it is, that their software mustn't be that good, as they don't have dirt on the politicians. Then again, it is Italy, so they may not care if they do.

  6. Not really so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Reading the original article (in Italian): after having their global licence revoked, Hacking Team won't need to ask permission for every sale generically made "abroad", but only if they wish to sell their software to 46 specific countries.

  7. SLASHDOT APPLYING CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been the front page story, until lately:

    https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/04/06/1529210/nest-reminds-customers-that-ownership-isnt-what-it-used-to-be

    Is slashdot applying censorship? Who are really the new overlords? Has Alphabet paid SlashdotMedia to silence its criticism?

    The article's text:

    Alphabet-owned Nest recently announced that it will be turning off Revolv Hub next month. An anonymous reader shares an article on EFF, a privacy rights group:
    Nest Labs, a home automation company acquired by Google in 2014, will disable some of its customers' home automation control devices in May. This move is causing quite a stir among people who purchased the $300 Revolv Hub devices -- customers who reasonably expected that the promised "lifetime" of updates would enable the hardware they paid for to actually work, only to discover the manufacturer can turn their device into a useless brick when it so chooses. This is far from the first time that customers' software and electronics have been downgraded by manufacturers. Updates can disable features the customer paid for that have fallen out of favor with the vendor, as when Google disabled privacy settings on Android or Sony took away the ability to run GNU/Linux on a Playstation 3. Manufacturers can even render a device unusable until the customer "agrees" to new terms of use, as Nintendo did with the Wii U. Other software and devices, including some video games, are designed so they simply stop working when they can no longer dial home to a server run by the vendor.

    TFA: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/04/nest-reminds-customers-ownership-isnt-what-it-used-be

    1. Re:SLASHDOT APPLYING CENSORSHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF are you on about, mate? Stories fall off the front page all the time. Get a life.

    2. Re:SLASHDOT APPLYING CENSORSHIP by sims+2 · · Score: 0

      Also its back on now for the third time now I think....

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  8. Maybe they can just "die" altogether by fnj · · Score: 1

    I looked up their hipster web site and was so repulsed by their brain-dead stupid eye-destroying low-contrast color scheme that I was instantly prejudiced against them. My snap impression was then reinforced by their stupid pandering column on the San Bernardino iPhone controversy.

  9. So they now "give away" the software. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tech support on the other hand is hella expensive, with the first call costing what the software used to cost, which is where they give you the keys to "unlock" the software.

  10. Perhaps that explains. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

    . . . .why the US office they were trying to set up, disappeared. And the only reason I know about the prospective US office, is that I was being recruited for it. . . and then it suddenly went silent. . .

    1. Re:Perhaps that explains. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Traitor.

      Perhaps you are better off not getting that job...

  11. Berne Convention throughout WTO by tepples · · Score: 1

    Could they move to a country that doesn't have IP laws tied to Italy

    If by "IP" you mean copyright, then all WTO members "have IP laws tied to Italy", as the Berne Convention is an essential WTO treaty.

  12. Has to be political by RevDisk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Once upon a time, when I was doing network security, I got thrown out of IT and into export control. They gave me enough money that I didn't quit. Logic was it was technical, byzantine and required insane attention to detailed regulation that'd make Cthulu go insane. Hey, infosec is virtually the same parameters.

    Short story long, generally the US has among the most byzantine and archaic export control regulation in use by first world countries, specifically ITAR. It's largely unchanged from the 1970's/1980's notion of 'high tech', so you get a lot of interesting stuff that ends up on the US munitions list. Europe in general doesn't have nearly the same level of export control, and gives a substantial advantage in the global defense contracting world.

    That said, many Euro defense contractors have extremely tight relations with their export licensing agency. They dance to the tune very closely, which does actually reduce the amount of legislation or regulation. As a government entity, why bind yourself with written rulings when your customers will do exactly what you tell them? I can very well imagine, and would be shocked to see otherwise, that any Euro export related tech organization that did not have extremely tight relations with their export licensing agency would be punished at least this harshly. Expect a LOT of foot dragging. Not enough for this company to win in court, just enough to cause them to lose business or go bankrupt.