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Senator Al Franken Takes On Oculus Over VR Data Mining (engadget.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Oculus says in its privacy policy it will track information about your location, physical movements, and how you're using the Oculus Rift headset. Senator Al Franken, a consumer advocate who has made a point of pushing back against invasive privacy policies like Uber's, wrote a letter to Oculus CEO Brendan Iribe, pushing for more information about how, exactly, Oculus is using all of the data it collects. "I believe Americans have a fundamental right to privacy," Franken wrote. "And that right includes an individual's access to information about what data are being collected about them, how the data are being treated, and with whom the data are being shared." Oculus has not yet commented on the letter. As a result from Franken's letter, Oculus may offer a more detailed privacy policy, like what HTC has done for its Vive headset. Though, it's worth mentioning Oculus isn't collecting much more information than most technology companies. The biggest concern stems around what kind of information Facebook is collecting when the headset is not being used -- there's no off button, so it's always sitting in a semi-ready state.

70 comments

  1. Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just remove the bloody power source. Amazon's Bluetooth adapter for my stereo was the same (as is the HDMI Fire Stick). Just pop the wall wart out and no more problem.

    1. Re:Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      That's a great idea with just one flaw: I doubt it will work without power.

      The real answer is for companies to stop collecting data. There is no legitimate reason that Facebook should have data collection in the Oculus Rift just as there is no legitimate reason that Microsoft or Google should have data collection in their respective OSes.

    2. Re:Power? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      That's a great idea with just one flaw: I doubt it will work without power.

      The real answer is for companies to stop collecting data. There is no legitimate reason that Facebook should have data collection in the Oculus Rift just as there is no legitimate reason that Microsoft or Google should have data collection in their respective OSes.

      Or you could just...not buy one? Seriously, if you don't like the way it works, don't buy it. Some people don't mind being spied on, and if that's fine with them, then let them have their cake.

    3. Re:Power? by cfalcon · · Score: 0

      What reasons would those be?

      There's NO reason for a company to collect data, period. If I buy a VR headset, it's to play VR games or watch VR porn or design something in VR. Not to send my "usage data" upstream for some computer to fap to. Fuck that. I'm not installing spyware, I'm not running a spy OS, and I definitely don't need a spybot hardware piece. It's useless bullshit.

    4. Re:Power? by cfalcon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Or you could just...not buy one?

      Sure, and we're all on board with that. The problem is that each and every piece of new technology is going to be saddled with this unless we solve it legislatively.

    5. Re:Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Oculus Rift (Samsung Gear VR) itself is really just a couple of adjustable lenses held in place with with the headset. All the graphics rendering is done with the smartphone that goes in front of the lenses. So they will keep track of the applications used and the location of the smartphone, which is what these applications always seem to do.

    6. Re:Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      don't buy it

      Sorry, but that strategy does not work when EVERY product on the shelf with a damn internet connection does it so the companies can get that juicy Big Data money. It's also the reason why they won't stop doing it. (At least until there's no money left to be made doing so.)

      The idea that the invisible hand in the free market will fix things, fails when the problem is about a product / service where said product / service is operated in a monopoly like fashion.

      "Oh? You dislike the product? Well, my competitors do the same thing so what are you going to do about it? Form a new competitor? Well we own all of the patents, plus me and my competitors are capable of taking a loss to bankrupt and litigate new threats to our business model away. BTW, we still own the products you know. The enclosed EULA should have said that to you, just like it says we can terminate your products at anytime for any reason, and I think you've had more than enough fun with them recently. Oh? Your going to sue me under RICO / other consumer protection laws? Well you must not have read that EULA because it says you agreed to binding arbitration with our friends at Screw-The-Consumer LLC. Plus not reading the EULA is a violation of it. So good luck with your lawsuit. Moving to $COUNTRY? Well, you can't sue under another nations laws if the issue did not happen there, and you didn't live there at the time it took place, so I'm not worried. Plus in a few years the laws of that country will be changed through our bought and paid for International Treaties. So where you move to won't be able to protect you for much longer."

    7. Re:Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could have just not responded. Seriously, if you don't like my words, then don't move on and don't respond.

    8. Re:Power? by NotInHere · · Score: 2

      I have to admit, I somewhat do agree with GP. If you are developing a program it is useful to know how many of your users are using a certain feature, in order to know whether you still want to support it, or whether you want to support something else. But generally, there should be a simple check box which you tick, and the software should stop with that statistics collection.

    9. Re:Power? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      > There's NO reason for a company to collect data, period.

      That's right! They should just blindly develop stuff without any user feedback at all. No data, at all, should be collected. They shouldn't collect your billing address, they should just send 'em out to random people! They shouldn't find out what features you use more, they should just disable all the features - including the start button.

      Wait, what?

      Are you daft or did you mean to say that it should be opt-in?

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    10. Re:Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be a little kid or just clueless because this is how software was developed for decades and it worked great. Only recently did companies start implementing spyware. Forums and email are for feedback.

      There is NO legitimate reason for data collection in software. Not opt-in or opt-out or whatever other marketing jargon you want to spew.

    11. Re:Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Or you could just...not buy one?

      Sure, and we're all on board with that. The problem is that each and every piece of new technology is going to be saddled with this unless we solve it legislatively.

      You sound like a parent who is justifying why they have to spank their 18 month old. You've got one solution to every problem and can't imagine that any other approach will work. Worse still, every law that you call for that you think will solve the problem will be exploited to limit competition and favor large companies over small.

    12. Re: Power? by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points for this but the effort spent logging in and a hearty HELL YA will have to suffice.

    13. Re:Power? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      There's NO reason for a company to collect data, period.

      If that is true then why are they doing it?

      I'm not installing spyware, I'm not running a spy OS, and I definitely don't need a spybot hardware piece. It's useless bullshit.

      But you likely use a phone, go in places that have CCTV and right now you're using the public net.

    14. Re:Power? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Sure, and we're all on board with that. The problem is that each and every piece of new technology is going to be saddled with this unless we solve it legislatively.

      So why don't you invest in open source? You don't need to have the newest shiny all the time, yes you'll be a bit behind but support those technologies that allow you to modify them and turn off things you don't like instead of funding the companies doing exactly the things you don't like to you. You're paying them to abuse you and then complaining about it. Stop being a submissive and start actively supporting the projects set out to empower you.

    15. Re:Power? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      This sentence is only true of the Samsung Gear VR, not the Oculus Rift, which contains its own screen. This is why the specifications for the Rift include a resolution:

      http://www.digitaltrends.com/v...

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    16. Re:Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have that backwards. The checkbox should be disabled by default. Better yet, it shouldn't be in there at all. If you want beta testers, do it yourself or go pay someone, you fucking cheapskate leech.

      Any program that I come across that has spyware like that or an opt-out gets insta-deleted, a chargeback issued if it's commercial and ripped to shreds in multiple reviews.

    17. Re:Power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you likely use a phone, go in places that have CCTV and right now you're using the public net.

      Yeah, fuck it since you can't have 100% privacy then you shouldn't have any at all.

      What you utterly fail to understand, marketing scumbag, is that my phone doesn't have access to my computer, CCTV is only present in public locations where there is no expectation of privacy and using a web browser doesn't expose the data on my computer nor my identity to anyone that I don't explicit allow access to those things.

      Take your spyware and shove it up your ass, you naive little shit.

    18. Re:Power? by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, fuck it since you can't have 100% privacy then you shouldn't have any at all.

      No I'm saying your privacy is far more erroded by the things you do that track your location around the world and capture the information you send than your VR toy that captures usage info. But the paranoid social retards have no concept of the difference between telemetry data and accessing everything on your computer.

      Even if you believe that this is some conspiracy to get at your files then simply only install it under a "gaming" user account that doesn't have access to your files, or on a dedicated gaming system, or don't connect it to the net while you're using it. See even for the completely paranoid there are simple solutions that any even half technically-minded person could come up with, the most simple of all security solutions but for the keyboard warriors like you this isn't about solving the percieved problem, it's about complaining about it. And that is all you will do, no solution, no action, just whining and whining.

  2. Do we own the device in the first place? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Like that Revolv thing that those who already did the purchase thought they own, only to be shut down by Google/Nest --- we need to know if this VR device, once sold, is owned by the users, or, can it be shut down (or somehow rendered useless) by Facebook?

    1. Re:Do we own the device in the first place? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Almost anything connected that you buy today, from most models of automobile to a Nest thermostat, can be remotely disabled at any time by the company you bought them from. I would be absolutely astonished if that were not also the case here.

      The ownership era is almost over now. Why? Because everyone kept buying things that transferred ownership from the buyer to the company who made the stuff. Without market pressure not to do that, of course they will do it.

      Basically, it happened because almost nobody cared.

    2. Re:Do we own the device in the first place? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes you own it. But anything that requires you to connect to the internet, like the store, can be yanked.

      It's not that hard.

  3. yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    That's rich, this is the same Al Franken that voted to extend the Patriot Act, and is on record defending the NSA's Stazi practices. This is also the same guy that worships groups like the RIAA and MPAA and has supported SOPA/PIPA legislation.

    Franken is a hack, I don't believe for a second he gives a shit about privacy rights, so there must be another reason he's going after the Rift/Facebook

    1. Re:yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He is infinitely funnier than you.

    2. Re:yeah right by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      It's probably best that he returns to being a comedian. He's been in favor of virtually all of the worst intellectual property bills that have gone through the senate.

    3. Re:yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just ignore them. Some people don't those intellectual property bills and if it's fine with them, then let them have their cake.

  4. Erh... yes? When has an Oculus become mandatory? by Opportunist · · Score: 0

    Yes, everyone has a right to privacy. And I fail to see the problem, it's not like we have government mandated Oculus Rifts that we have to wear all the time and can't take off. We have the choice to NOT get that shit and tell them where to stick it.

    I don't really see the need for politics to get involved. If anything, it should be required to say that they will do so before you buy it... wait, that's what's already happening, that's what started the whole shit.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm as much pro-privacy as they come, but this isn't a government agency spying on your without you having any choice but begging for some lube before you get it up the ass, this is a private company offering a product that you can quite easily refuse to buy.

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  5. It's open ended by evanh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mr Franken's question will need to be repeated every month. And that still doesn't necessarily stop the bad behaviour.

    The point of the policy is it's a disclaimer of "You give us permission to take anything we see fit". That means the data gathered and uses of and distribution of change with time.

    I think Mr Zuckerberg is intentionally trying to trigger new laws that set defined limits.

    1. Re:It's open ended by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I don't normally do this and, in fact, I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've ever done this...

      I think Mr Zuckerberg is intentionally trying to trigger new laws that set NO limits.

      FTFY

      I thought about it and yeah, limits would mean he could go so far and no further and would know where his liability would begin as well as present a clear limit for civil actions that may happen at some point. But, I should think his wish for those new laws would be no limits, no limits at all. If he can get that codified then he'd be all set.

      I'm not really sure that I've time to vocalize all of my thoughts on the subject. I also don't really have time for a novella right now.

      I'd like to see them make up-front notification mandatory. I want to say that it should be opt-in and never opt-out. I want to say that you should have a choice. But, doing so means that I take the freedom from the vendor away. I think a vendor should be allowed to track users all they want - so long as the user consents to it. It should be in clear text that is easy to understand. If the vendor wants to make use contingent on that tracking then the vendor should be free to do so. However... The client/customer/user should be aware of this beforehand and be able to make an informed decision. With that, I suppose, we should probably also make notification mandatory that it is optional when it is, factually, optional.

      If Party A wants to buy Product Z and Party A is fully aware that it will track them then Party A should be allowed to do so. Vendor of Product Z should be free to provision that product so long as they have made it clear that data is being collected, why it is being collected, and who will have access to that data as well as how long they'll retain that data. Such information should be clear, factual, and not subject to change by either party without consent by both parties. If Party A transfers the product or service to another then it is Party A's responsibility to inform the new Party prior to the transfer.

      There's a whole lotta party up in there. That's also about as clear as mud. Hopefully it makes sense.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    2. Re:It's open ended by zentigger · · Score: 1

      Most intelligent people realize that there is no such thing as a free lunch, so the question is: "how is this getting paid for?" Any service that is promoting itself as "free" is misrepresenting itself, and that needs to be addressed.

      Corporations should be required to reveal all the data being collected and how it is used, and consumers should have an option to decline data collection. Furthermore, refusal to offer service to someone that has declined data collection should be considered discrimination and made illegal.

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      the above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head

  6. what kind of information Facebook is collecting... by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    "...what kind of information Facebook is collecting when the headset is not being used..."

    Well yo will have to ask them about that but I do know what is possible, http://www.wired.com/2014/08/g...

  7. isnt' collecting much more than others? by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

    You know that's *all* the data, right?

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  8. i'll just leave this here..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #Franken2020

    1. Re:i'll just leave this here..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      #GoodEnoughSmartEnoughAndDoggonnitPeopleLikeHim!

  9. I'll never know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine how awesome POV porn would be with one of these things. Unfortunately, I'll never know because somehow the people that make it think it's ok to watch me use it.

  10. Re: Erh... yes? When has an Oculus become mandator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey man haters gotta freak out about something when a cool as fuck product comes out, other wise they probably would end up making it mandatory haha.

  11. Crap grammar by paradisaeidae · · Score: 0

    ..'like what HTC has done for its Vive headset'... try using the word similar. Really, enough is enough with the txt.grammar.

    1. Re:Crap grammar by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Nah, "similar what HTC has done..." makes even less sense!

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    2. Re:Crap grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well you could go
      Similar to what HTC has done
      or
      similar to HTC
      or even
      as HTC has done

  12. Time for a constitutional amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Data mining is an infringement upon citizen's liberty. Time to amend the constitution.

  13. Managed smart monitors as a service by WaffleMonster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wouldn't it be swell if you couldn't buy a normal monitor anymore? If all monitors were "smart" requiring Internet connectivity, call home to their respective manufacturer periodically uploading samples of displayed image to "improve" quality of product, assist with "troubleshooting" and proactive "diagnostics". Information so critical to continuously supporting and improving the product.

    For your safety your smart monitor wouldn't install without an Internet connection, monitor vendor reserves the right to change terms or discontinue your use of monitor "service" at any time. If we change terms you will be given 30 days advanced notice to agree with new terms or lose all access to your monitor service.

    Examples of changes we may make include requiring you to pay a small one time or monthly fee, offering direct advertising to your monitor at no cost to you and mirroring your display to our partners. You agree to provide us with a non revocable royalty free license to use any content associated with our monitor service.

    1. Re:Managed smart monitors as a service by vux984 · · Score: 1

      "Meraki"is that you?

    2. Re:Managed smart monitors as a service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it be swell if you couldn't buy a normal monitor anymore? If all monitors were "smart" requiring Internet connectivity, call home to their respective manufacturer periodically uploading samples of displayed image to "improve" quality of product, assist with "troubleshooting" and proactive "diagnostics". Information so critical to continuously supporting and improving the product.

      For your safety your smart monitor wouldn't install without an Internet connection, monitor vendor reserves the right to change terms or discontinue your use of monitor "service" at any time. If we change terms you will be given 30 days advanced notice to agree with new terms or lose all access to your monitor service.

      Examples of changes we may make include requiring you to pay a small one time or monthly fee, offering direct advertising to your monitor at no cost to you and mirroring your display to our partners. You agree to provide us with a non revocable royalty free license to use any content associated with our monitor service.

      We're very close to having TVs like that. Monitors will be next. PC motherboards with their own locked down OS will follow. Unregulated greed will destroy all of the things we love.

    3. Re:Managed smart monitors as a service by Tyr07 · · Score: 1

      It's unlikely to work for a long time.

      Microsoft tried to do that with the UFEI boot, but as you know you can now launch linux with it as well, and motherboards purchased allow you to completely disable it.

    4. Re:Managed smart monitors as a service by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      You do realise that MS require Secure Boot be able to be disabled on any motherboard or system targeting an x86 (32bit or 64bit) Windows certification program?

    5. Re:Managed smart monitors as a service by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Yes, ability to disable secure boot is required for windows 8, but for windows 10 it is not required anymore.

      Either way, makes no big difference, as there are Microsoft signed secure boot loaders for Linux. But you get more hassles though.

    6. Re:Managed smart monitors as a service by Tyr07 · · Score: 1

      What I really ment to highlight out of that was the fact that you can UFEI linux.

    7. Re:Managed smart monitors as a service by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Yes, ability to disable secure boot is required for windows 8, but for windows 10 it is not required anymore.

      Right, that is a decision for the manufacturer of the hardware to make. Just like Google doesn't force all handset manufacturers to have rooted systems and unlocked bootloaders.

    8. Re:Managed smart monitors as a service by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Even if the manufacturer decides to enforce secure boot, the situation is still better than on the mobile world where you can't even write a separate ROM that's not signed by the manufacturer in some cases.

      Microsoft enforces hardware manufacturers to allow all microsoft signed bootloaders, and microsoft has signed bootloaders that can boot linux. Thats basically microsoft "forcing" manufacturers to allow people to "root" their systems, to use terms from the mobile world.

    9. Re:Managed smart monitors as a service by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Microsoft enforces hardware manufacturers to allow all microsoft signed bootloaders, and microsoft has signed bootloaders that can boot linux. Thats basically microsoft "forcing" manufacturers to allow people to "root" their systems, to use terms from the mobile world.

      If by "forcing" you mean they want to leverage Microsoft's marketing and have that little "designed for Windows 10" sticker on the systems they ship then sure, but that's a pretty contrived definition of "forcing". They aren't "forced" to do that, in fact they don't even need to do that.

  14. Dead on arrival by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mandatory?

    More like dead on arrival.

  15. Please tell me by thegarbz · · Score: 1, Funny

    Please tell me he posted that as his Facebook update from his Android tablet via the ISP that was retaining all the metadata about his connection while sitting at a coffee house with a local government CCTV camera pointed at him.

  16. Re:Erh... yes? When has an Oculus become mandatory by NotInHere · · Score: 1

    Are smartphones mandatory? No they aren't. But if you don't have a smartphone you might have issues to get friends if you are younger than a certain age, because most of the communication happens over smartphones/smartphone apps.

    Is the pebble watch mandatory by the government? No, it isn't. But if you don't wear it, you won't get insured by some employers. So simply don't take the job, right?

  17. Re:Erh... yes? When has an Oculus become mandatory by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Then this is where the law makers should get active and outlaw requiring certain technology for insurance or employment, or enforce privacy protection for youths.

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  18. Mod parent RETARDED. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the first time I've ever seen someone say "perhaps you should ignore the functioning of your Government" on Slashdot (without some sort of mocking/sarcastic tone). I'm pleased to see that it has been modded to oblivion.

    1. Re:Mod parent RETARDED. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to work on your comprehension and nuance abilities because it absolutely was mocking ArmoredDickhead and his hypocritical idiocy.

      Also, the post wasn't modded at all, so you probably need glasses too.

    2. Re: Mod parent RETARDED. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      It's hypocratic to consistently ask for less regulation? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

  19. FUD for fun and profit by ooloorie · · Score: 0

    it's worth looking through the Terms of Service, because there are some worrisome things included

    If you don't like the TOS, then don't buy the gadget! Geez, is that so hard?

    This is kind of creepy! Given that Oculus can collect information about how you move and how you’re shaped. The Facebook-owned company can use your location and log your activity, and it can even do so automatically.

    Every surveillance camera on the street or in a local mall "can collect information about how you move and how you're shaped", and the people behind those cameras don't just market to you, they can often throw you in jail.

    A VR headset like Oculus needs to do this as part of its operations. If you don't like it, then don't buy the gadget. Even better, just stay in your basement and pick up basket weaving as a hobby.

    Senator Al Franken, a politician and former comedian who has built his political career on spreading FUD and getting people riled up over nothing

    There, FTFY

    1. Re:FUD for fun and profit by Kartu · · Score: 1

      "Don't like conditions - don't buy it" could apply to pretty much any condition, right?
      Yet there are numerous laws that prohibit this and that in TOC.(e.g. warranty conditions in EU, see Apple's woes in Italy)

      Now, do you think that thas laws are useless/evil/etc or do you think that "don't like - don't buy" might not cut it in some situations?

    2. Re:FUD for fun and profit by ooloorie · · Score: 1

      Yet there are numerous laws that prohibit this and that in TOC.(e.g. warranty conditions in EU, see Apple's woes in Italy)

      Yeah, and have you looked at the European economy, European customer service, or European innovation? They suck. And the more we adopt European style laws, the more the US will suck just like Europe. In the US, restrictions on the ability to enter contracts more freely already hurts people badly; we shouldn't let it get any worse.

      And the VR headset is a simple illustration why: you will only get cheap, high quality VR if companies can record and collect this data. There is also no rational reason to keep them from doing so. Al Franken is at least as much of a big, fat idiot as Rush Limbaugh.

    3. Re:FUD for fun and profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the more we adopt European style laws, the more the US will suck just like Europe. In the US, restrictions on the ability to enter contracts more freely already hurts people badly; we shouldn't let it get any worse.

      Because being able to sign your basic human rights away ALWAYS works out well for the person giving them up....*facepalm*

      Seriously, you CAN do that in the US. That's one of the issues with contract law here. That and the fact that companies try constantly to find more and more ways of getting you into a position where you can't say no. Why anyone would think that is "restricted" is beyond me.

      you will only get cheap, high quality VR if companies can record and collect this data.

      For more than the cost of a new computer, (remember we are talking about $700.00+ minimum here), I'd expect the ones that cost more to NOT have this kind of crap in them. Nevermind the fact the computer itself has to be upgraded. (In most instances at least a $200.00 video card upgrade is also needed, at least for now.)

      This is just more overreach by Facebook. Plus it's not like they will improve the tech. (Not that doing so would justify the data collection mind you.) Facebook's primary revenue stream is data collection NOT content development, and especially not interactive content development. Which is what will push VR development forward, assuming it catches on this time around. Facebook will just pocket the money and in a few years, (once again assuming that VR manages to find a market this time around), other competitors like the HTC Vive, (which have backing from the actual people with a vested interest in the tech's success), will be much more capable than the Rift, and Facebook will be scrambling to find a way to keep the Rift relevant, while keeping the cost of doing so down as much as possible, so that they can keep their data collection devices (and the data that they produce) viable.

  20. Re:Erh... yes? When has an Oculus become mandatory by NotInHere · · Score: 1

    This "social only over apps" issue will continue to affect this generation as it gets older. It has nothing to do with youths, just with the availability of technology and youths adapting to new things far more easily.

  21. Proud Minnesotan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't vote for Frankin when he first got in, but since he has been in I've only once been disappointed in what he is doing there.

  22. Re:Erh... yes? When has an Oculus become mandatory by exomondo · · Score: 1

    Are smartphones mandatory? No they aren't. But if you don't have a smartphone you might have issues to get friends if you are younger than a certain age, because most of the communication happens over smartphones/smartphone apps.

    Then your prospective "friends" don't much care about the doom-and-gloom pontificating of these privacy violations. You see it as a big deal, sure, but why? I have an oculus at my house, now if they can get this information from it what is the scenario you offer that would convince me to get rid of it?

  23. Re:Erh... yes? When has an Oculus become mandatory by NotInHere · · Score: 1

    To be honest, my data aren't *this* important for me. The main reason why I prefer open source is control. I don't like software that does what its manufacturer told it, and not what I tell it to do.

    Think of a chat app. What if I want to use it via a desktop application? Should I be required to wait for the manufacturer to write a browser version of it that can be used on the desktop?

    Yes, I admit, I'm not the kind of guy who changes and recompiles some piece of open source software just to scratch some itch. But open source software is almost always designed to be mainly controlled by the user, not the manufacturer. Also I like the community much better.

    To get back to the topic, I waited to buy a smartphone until I was sure there was an open source ROM available. Similar will probably be true for the oculus rift: there will probably be a VR headset with less spyware and more ability to control it in a few years. I have the patience to wait until then to get a VR headset, if I ever want a VR headset (currently I don't).

  24. Re:Erh... yes? When has an Oculus become mandatory by exomondo · · Score: 1

    Well that doesn't answer the question and you seem to be complaining about a problem that doesn't exist (or at least one that you don't have or understand).

  25. Re:Erh... yes? When has an Oculus become mandatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To get back to the topic, I waited to buy a smartphone until I was sure there was an open source ROM available.

    Even putting aside the fact that you more than likely did not audit the code of that open source "ROM" you still have the closed software and circuitry that makes up the communications hardware of the device as well as the carrier network you are using. Presenting an "open source ROM" as the solution to the problem in question is either ignorant or malicious. People should absolutely not be encouraged to think that an "open source ROM" will do much at all to alleviate privacy concerns.