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Google Fiber Drops Free Basic Service In Its Original City (engadget.com)

An anonymous reader writes: When Google Fiber first rolled out in Kansas City, it offered a free 5Mbps service if you were willing to pay a construction fee. As of recent, Google has quietly dropped that free tier in its first Fiber area, and has replaced it with a 100Mbps option that costs $50 per month. Anyone using the free tier has until May 19th to say they want to keep it. Note: Google will still offer the free service in low-income areas. Google Fiber customers in Austin and Provo still have the choice of the free internet option; Atlanta never had it to start with. Recode suggests this may reflect a broader change in strategy: Google has fiercer competition from incumbent carriers, so it may have to offer a fast-but-affordable selection to get those customers for whom the gigabit option is either too costly or sheer overkill.

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  1. Something something..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    '...pray I don't alter it further.'

    1. Re:Something something..... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Thank you Brennis.

    2. Re:Something something..... by phrostie · · Score: 1

      was this before or after all the competition was driven out?

  2. Hey! MS says "QUIT STEALING OUR PLAYS !!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Google, I expected better of you!

    (Not!)

  3. Re: How very Republican of Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's how they is.

  4. Can't have everything for free forever. by Tyr07 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As long as they give you a good service at a reasonable price, it's reasonable.

    1. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $50 for 100/100 still beats AT&T's $80 for 45/6 with a 600 Gigabyte cap (yay, I get to use the internet for as little as 29 hours!)

    2. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Noble713 · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's just depressing. I live in Japan and have Gigabit fiber (500 up/500down on Speedtest) for $30/month with no data cap. For $80 I get cellphone service (from a different company): unlimited 4G LTE and unlimited voice minutes for ~$80/month. Great for tethering my tablet or laptop when out of the house (or phones of friends visiting from out of Japan). America is raped by the service providers.

    3. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but you have to live in Japan, with constant fear of being attacked by the crazy Norks, or Chinese, or worse still, a lost battalion of US Marines from W W 2. No thanks.

    4. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the temporal distance between three years and forever is i think a bit larger than you insinuate

    5. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As surprising as it might seem to some the Norks, Chinese and lost US battalions kill less Japs combined per decade than crazy gun people in the US kill every week.
      I would say the fear is slightly unwarranted.

    6. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by hvm2hvm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Obligatory "I live in Romania and I have a 1Gbit (up/down) connection for less than $15 a month.". And it really does work at those speeds. When I installed WoW it downloaded the client at 100MB/s, 19GB went so fast I thought I already had it installed previously.

      The thing is 3g/4g connections while cheap still have data caps which sucks.

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    7. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hell, what about giant, radioactive dinosaurs??? Or anime villains???

    8. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      It isn't free; the people had to pay a construction fee.
      If I pay for a beer before I drink it, that doesn't make it free beer.

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    9. Re: Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >crazy gun people

      Who cares if it is a gun, knife or hammer?

      Don't discrimate bigot!

    10. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by blind+biker · · Score: 2

      I live in Finland and our Internet access speeds and fees are decent.
      How's that for a forceful retort? ;) Done in perfect Finnish style.

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    11. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      I live in the UK and not even on the mainland and I have two Internet connections at home. VDSL2 connection from BT with 100mbit (30GBP), FTTH from Virgin with 200mbit (31.98GBP) and a mobile plan with 4g with unlimited data and unlimited tethering from Three (30GBP). No limits, no weird caps, no weird throttles, no mis-advertised speeds. While it might be true I have promotional rates, I always get promotional rates every year when I call in to renew my contracts.

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    12. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      They have a large stable of miniskirt-wearing schoolgirls, constipated angry guys, giant mecha, and ninja to handle just those situations.

    13. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is more analogous to paying for installation of a beer tap, but then having it dispense unlimited free beer (but at a slower rate than you might like). Google's saying that now you need to fork over $50/mo, but you'll get unlimited beer dispensed at 20x the rate. It's still a way better deal than anything the competitors are offering, especially considering how vital the beer is for getting any work done.

    14. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When I installed WoW it downloaded the client at 100MB/s, 19GB went so fast I thought I already had it installed previously.

      Obligatory: "I live in Australia - our ISP's cache (not pronounced "cash") too.

    15. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Japan is also much more densely populated than the United States.

    16. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't free; the people had to pay a construction fee.
      If I pay for a beer before I drink it, that doesn't make it free beer.

      Of course it isn't free. Anyone who even glanced at your browsing history will need extensive and expensive counselling.

    17. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by unitron · · Score: 1

      When I installed WoW it downloaded the client at 100MB/s, 19GB went so fast I thought I already had it installed previously.

      Obligatory: "I live in Australia - our ISP's cache (not pronounced "cash") too.

      So you're saying that in Australia the ISPs don't know the proper pronunciation of "cache" ?

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    18. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by unitron · · Score: 3, Funny

      Japan is also much more densely populated than the United States.

      I dunno, this election season has me thinking maybe we're the ones who're more dense.

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    19. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Fraudband, enough said.

      Don't blame me, I didn't vote for Tony.

    20. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, compare all of Japan to New York...Which is more densely populated?

    21. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by GrumpySteen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh bullshit. That excuse died when Google started providing Gigabit connections for $70/month which is quite comparable to the rates in Japan.

      The defacto broadband monopolies have not only been refusing to upgrade their equipment (despite being given huge amounts of subsidies and tax breaks meant to let them do so), they've been degrading their service by throttling and adding caps in order to coerce their customers into paying for more expensive plans even in the most densely populated areas.

    22. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Petron · · Score: 3, Informative

      Do you have more than 1 or 2 options when it comes to your internet service?

      Here in the US, we have normally 1 or 2 options for high-speed internet. One cable company offering cable internet, and one phone company offering DSL. Most in the cities will have both options, but some will only have one (outside of service area). Often these companies work together in agreeing to a data cap and price.

      These Cable\Tel-Coms worked out a deal with the local government to be the sole supplier of their services... making them a legal monopoly. The lack of competition is my theory on why the prices and speeds are not up to par with the rest of the world. Back when I worked at a Dial-up ISP, we offered DSL as well but we had to rent the hardware (lines) from the Tel-Com, and our rental price as $5/mo cheaper than the Tel-Com's DSL price (We made $5/mo gross profit on DSL). Dial-up made use more money. The Tel-Com's lines sucked to boot. When it rained, the service would drop... and why fix it? If they leave use, they go straight to the Tel-Com and they make more money.

      So I'd be real interested to know what options non US folks have for internet? Do you have 5 companies competing for your service?

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    23. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      For comparison: Verizon FiOS 50 up/ 50 down + landline phone + TV for 130$ including taxes. T-Mobile phone with unlimited voice and text, 2 GB data cap per line, four lines 120$.

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    24. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      Why do you call the GP post bullshit? It is true, Japan is much more densely populated. And what you say is also true. The cable monopolies are acting with bad faith.

      Without competition it would be like that. We need to understand how Japan managed to foster competition that kept its internet access prices low.

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    25. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by jma05 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, its the standard argument. But densely populated areas in US like New York still don't seem to have the same Internet value as Japan.

    26. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the US is just a little bit larger and just a few more people. Apples and oranges, fuckwit.

    27. Re: Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers. - Wikipedia Osaka school massacre....

      Done with a kitchen knife. The U.S. doesn't have a monopoly on crazy people.

    28. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by antdude · · Score: 1

      That's it. I'm moving to Japan even though I don't know Japanese! :P

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    29. Re: Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That not what the tmobile price for 4 lines with 2gb is.

      80 for the first two
      10 add a ljnes after that.

      $100 for 2gb
      $140 for 10 GB I think.
      And $180 for unlimited.

    30. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If some were content with 5Mb (read as you don't stream video) then this may not be a better offering than the competitors. There may or may not be an offering of low bandwidth for $10 from a competitor but finding service at all for $50/month is not difficult.

      Take my town, If you can cable TV you can get 10Mb for $40/mo or if you have a land line you can get DSL for $30. (real rates not intro). So here, this would not be a better deal assuming I did not want 100Mb.

      This is screwing over those that paid for the connection in exchange for a trickle of data. It is likely good business practice, get people using your service then jack the rates, but it is the the same practice seen in the rest of the sector.

    31. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I recently upgraded to 100/20mpbs in Rome, Italy for €40/mo, and even that was lucky since only about 1/3rd of the city is covered. Previously I was paying about the same for 20/6 that was only ever 12/4 in reality.

    32. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 1

      As surprising as it might seem to some the Norks, Chinese and lost US battalions kill less Japs combined per decade than crazy gun people in the US kill every week.

      From the news we get over here, I get the impression that, in Japan, by far the biggest wedge of the "Cause of Death" pie is labeled "self".

    33. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Puerto Rico, DC, and undoubtedly several other cities are all as densely populated as Japan. They don't, as a rule, have as good of broadband however.

    34. Re: Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look up "Nevada-tan" sometime.

    35. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      In Atlanta, I get Comcast internet at $20/month for 3Mbps. Downloads are slow, but it's fast enough for Youtube, Netflix and gaming. Although gigabit is tempting, I would have liked to keep paying $20/month (or less!).

      I'll still switch to Google the nanosecond it becomes available, obviously, but I wish the "free after installation" tier were still going to be available.

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    36. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by ProzacPatient · · Score: 1

      For $80 I get cellphone service (from a different company): unlimited 4G LTE and unlimited voice minutes for ~$80/month. Great for tethering my tablet or laptop when out of the house (or phones of friends visiting from out of Japan).

      That's what I pay for all that with T-Mobile. I couldn't find any other carrier in my area that had prices anywhere near that for what I wanted.

    37. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is more analogous to paying for installation of a beer tap, but then having it dispense unlimited free beer (but at a slower rate than you might like). Google's saying that now you need to fork over $50/mo, but you'll get unlimited beer dispensed at 20x the rate. It's still a way better deal than anything the competitors are offering, especially considering how vital the beer is for getting any work done.

      Yes, but if I paid for the installation of a beer tap that promised to give me 3 beers a day indefinitely then I would be pissed if all of a sudden they said I had to pay $50/month for 60 beers for day. I have no desire to drink 60 beers a day. The extra beer is wasted on me. Even if they can no longer offer a free service, they need to respect their original agreement by refunding the construction fee or at the very least offer a similar low bandwidth option for $10/month. At $50/month anyone who was happy with 5M/s is likely going to move to something else. There are plenty of cheaper options under $50/month whether it is DSL or tethering that will net you 5M/s. The people on the 5M plans don't want 100M, if they did then they likely would have signed up for the 1G plan at only $20/month more.

    38. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      This is more analogous to paying for installation of a beer tap, but then having it dispense unlimited free beer (but at a slower rate than you might like). Google's saying that now you need to fork over $50/mo, but you'll get unlimited beer dispensed at 20x the rate. It's still a way better deal than anything the competitors are offering, especially considering how vital the beer is for getting any work done.

      Yes, but if I paid for the installation of a beer tap that promised to give me 3 beers a day indefinitely then I would be pissed if all of a sudden they said I had to pay $50/month for 60 beers for day. I have no desire to drink 60 beers a day. The extra beer is wasted on me. Even if they can no longer offer a free service, they need to respect their original agreement by refunding the construction fee or at the very least offer a similar low bandwidth option for $10/month. At $50/month anyone who was happy with 5M/s is likely going to move to something else. There are plenty of cheaper options under $50/month whether it is DSL or tethering that will net you 5M/s. The people on the 5M plans don't want 100M, if they did then they likely would have signed up for the 1G plan at only $20/month more.

      Except that it wasn't indefinitely. The contract was for 7 years, which Google has said that they are going to honor. They are just not going to sign up any new customers for that plan.

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    39. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by afidel · · Score: 1

      I'm about to cord cut and my cable company offers 30/5 for $25/month with a 1 year commitment, I'd consider that a significant upgrade over 3/? for $20/month (they do offer 8/1 for $15/month if you want to go really cheap and don't need to stream HD video)

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    40. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Except that it wasn't indefinitely. The contract was for 7 years, which Google has said that they are going to honor. They are just not going to sign up any new customers for that plan.

      Then that's fair enough but don't expect many of the ultracheap customers to remain customers if you only offer them the choice between a high price plan and an ultra high price plan. The fact that they are relatively cheap compared to other ultra fast connections is most likely irrelevant to people happy with 5M and will likely be able to find other plans under $50 from a different provider to switch to. Myself, I'm perfectly happy with my 1M connection although I wish I could get faster upload.

    41. Re: Can't have everything for free forever. by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 1

      Just open up a border to Mexico and introduce a $400 billion/year organized violent crime and drug smuggling trade and we can help you fix that situation REAL quick.

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    42. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think New York might be worse than average for the US. Until a couple years ago, 3Mbit/s DSL was our only option. The FiOS rollout hasn't completed. VZ is dragging their feet on the remaining coverage commitment, which I'm not sure covers the entire city, anyway. And it's only 3Mbit/s until it rains because the copper infrastructure is badly maintained.

      The areas covered by cable company RCN usually have great service because they overlap with Time Warner, so there's competition between the two cable companies. Time Warner fights this by signing exclusive deals with landlords, who get a kickback for denying access to any other cable company and don't really care that their tenants are overcharged.

      Again, though, download speed isn't the right metric for "great service." Cable companies that can do 300Mbit/s to speedtest still can't do 1.5Mbit/s to NFLX, and this is affected entirely by competition. Cablevision and RCN have always been fine wrt the peering wars, but Time Warner is not. They are not "HD verified" by Youtube, for example: https://www.google.com/get/videoqualityreport/

    43. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by EvilSS · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then that's fair enough but don't expect many of the ultracheap customers to remain customers if you only offer them the choice between a high price plan and an ultra high price plan. The fact that they are relatively cheap compared to other ultra fast connections is most likely irrelevant to people happy with 5M and will likely be able to find other plans under $50 from a different provider to switch to. Myself, I'm perfectly happy with my 1M connection although I wish I could get faster upload.

      True, but there may not be any value in keeping them by offering a lower tier plan. I mean, they are paying $0 right now, so it's not like Google will lose any revenue from them departing for a cheaper ISP. It's possible based on the number of subscribers that are on that tier now that it wouldn't be worth it to offer a lower tier. I'm sure Google has done the math on this already before they decided how to proceed.

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    44. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Citing dense population as a reason for inexpensive high speed internet is bullshit in any with a population over 50,000.

      Better?

      I get that high speed internet away from the backbones would be expensive.

      Really, high speed internet should be like the interstate highway system. The federa government builds massive trunk lines to every state. County and City governments built out lines to their local areas. And then multiple cable companies compete based on price on those lines.

      We are being ripped off. We know we are being ripped off.

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    45. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USA metro has a higher density than Japanese metro. Compare apples to apples.

      I've heard stories, so not sure if true, limited, or no longer valid, that you can change ISPs in Japan with just a quick phone call. Mostly the same shared infrastructure, you just get routed to a different ISP. Probably something like each ISP get's a VLAN, and a customer's network port has an untagged VLAN assigned. Just change the VLAN and you change ISPs.

    46. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by rsborg · · Score: 1

      That's just depressing. I live in Japan and have Gigabit fiber (500 up/500down on Speedtest) for $30/month with no data cap. For $80 I get cellphone service (from a different company): unlimited 4G LTE and unlimited voice minutes for ~$80/month. Great for tethering my tablet or laptop when out of the house (or phones of friends visiting from out of Japan). America is raped by the service providers.

      Ya figure? Each SMS costing money (and sometimes staggering amounts in bulk) when it's essentially part of the packet structure is the most amusing/sad service I can remember. Might as well charge you additional for the air you breathe on a flight.

      What do you expect from a country nearly completely owned by corporations/wealthy?

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    47. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in rural North Dakota and have 500mb down and 300mb up for $65 a month, don't ya know? You betcha.

    48. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Often these companies work together in agreeing to a data cap and price.

      [citation needed]

      How is that not illegal price collusion?

      (The rest is correct, and IMHO, not by definition a bad idea.. would you really want 5 different cables coming into your house from different Internet services? There WERE separate phone companies/lines and IIRC electric companies way back when, all duplicating wires for each separate company...)

    49. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Petron · · Score: 1

      Citation is my experience, and yes, YMMV, but back when I lived up north my options for internet was Comcast and Charter. Both offered similar service, and when I found Comcast throttling my speeds down to .5 kbps, I switched to Charter. Using both Comcast and Charter, I downloaded quite a bit, wouldn't shock me if it was over 1tb a month on each. I was never charged any overages for a datacap.

      I later moved to the south. When looking at internet options, the choice was Charter and AT&T, and T's speeds sucked. So I'd figure I'd give them a try again. After a month or so I found I was getting billed overages for a datacap. I checked AT&T and found they had a lower cap... Now I know cell phone companies charge for a datacap and it's staggered with your bill. The reason is a lack of spectrum so they throttle people by use of a datacap... But a land-line? I started searching around and I found that they had the datacap in place for years, and the reason why I wasn't getting charged was because Charter doesn't have a datacap... AT&T does. So both companies have a cap, and the only reason why they charge is because the other guy is. Once the competitor drops the datacap, the other will as well.

      And why is there a datacap? Well as I mentioned, With cell companies, they have an issue that if they let everybody loose, service will suffer, but that is not the case with Comcast... Their cap resets on the 1st of the month. For everybody. So everybody can download with out issue for the first few days of the month. If there was an issue with bandwidth, they would stagger everybody's date so that some people's reset time would be the middle of the month, and others at the end. The reason they have the cap is.... Netflix. Netflix at it's best quality chews up data like crazy and Comcast (who makes money with video), is losing customer share... Their Pay-Per-View income has dropped like a rock. Right now we are getting Google Fiber soon, and already both competitors are trying to sell gigabit service, and from what I can tell from others in Fiber markets, Comcast/ATT won't enforce the datacap...

      As for having 5 different cables running to my house... Why? I have one cable to the pole. Now 5 cable companies can have lines down the pole. 5 Telcoms can have phone line going down the pole. When I get my connection hooked up, they can swap the line on the pole to the right feed.

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    50. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      You still have not shown ANYTHING about price collusion, which you directly stated was happening.

    51. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Noble713 · · Score: 1

      A month ago a North Korean missile flew over Okinawa. Maybe even over my house. The emergency broadcast system beeped on my phone, and displayed a message I couldn't read. I just asked my GF what it was, said "Fuck Kim Jong Un", and went back to sleep.

      Until the Chinese quadruple their blue-water sealift capacity, I'm not too worried about them either.

      I have nothing to fear from Marines....I AM a Marine.

      My chances of being murdered by an unstable law enforcement officer are ~0.0% in Japan. Being a minority, it's definitely a non-zero number in the US. Combine the safety with the quality IT infrastructure (except the crappy, overpriced, Japan-only smart phones), the women, and the car scene....yeah, I'm never coming back to America.

    52. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Noble713 · · Score: 1

      Do you have more than 1 or 2 options when it comes to your internet service?

      I think there is 1 cable modem company, 1 DSL, and maybe 2 fiber companies. I distinctly remember the options on-base were "shitty cable vs shittier DSL" (the Internet infrastructure on the military bases is crap, especially on Futenma, because no one wants to invest in a facility the Okinawans are aggressively trying to close). When I moved into my apartment off-base I was just told I could quickly activate the high-speed Internet for ~$30, so I didn't bother to shop around. For about 3 years it was ~100up/down, and was just recently upgraded to Gigabit (no charge, just an infrastructure upgrade). My ISP is actually owned and operated by a few ex-military foreigners.

    53. Re:Can't have everything for free forever. by Noble713 · · Score: 1

      What do you expect from a country nearly completely owned by corporations/wealthy?

      Japan is owned by corporations too, and the Japanese get raped in other ways. Things like key money: you basically pay a fee equal to several months rent just to move into an apartment. That's not a security deposit (that's additional $$$), we are talking pure cash into the housing agency's pocket. Combined with the security deposit and processing fees, changing apartments can cost you thousands of dollars up front.

      Cars are another one. Anything imported is priced higher than they are in the US, but even Japanese-manufactured performance and luxury cars such as Lexus are marked up significantly. Taxes are displacement-based so if you have a muscle car, even if it's a comparatively fuel-efficient one, you will cry. A C7 Corvette with a 6.2L V8 gets 30mpg highway. A Mitsubishi Evolution X with a 2.0L turbo-4 gets ~25mpg highway...on a good day. The Corvette will cost $1,000 in taxes ANNUALLY. The Evo? Maybe half that..which is still high, but at least the roads are reasonably well-maintained here.

      That said, the Japanese corporations and wealthy have mastered the art of keeping up appearances. They figured that if everyone stays employed, overworked, and largely ignorant of cost structures outside Japan, they'll be relatively docile despite being taken to the cleaners. And the uber-rich don't really flaunt their wealth and lifestyle quite the way Americans do. America's wealthy, on the other hand, gave us access to information sources from around the world (part of our global "national interests" and military adventures), constantly show us how well they are living, and then started firing everyone in favor of overseas workers and automation. A bunch of pissed off unemployed people with reduced food security and a window into better conditions elsewhere? Not to mention more guns that the rest of planet Earth COMBINED. How could America's elite ever think that would be sustainable?

  5. Alwys said there was a gaping hole in their plans by default+luser · · Score: 1

    You had free, 70 dollar nirvana, and nothing in-between.

    About time they start listening to people like me. I choose to use my FIOS 50/50 instead of 75 or 100 because I don't need it, and it costs $20 extra.

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  6. Re:Alwys said there was a gaping hole in their pla by Tyr07 · · Score: 1

    Yeah they really need to off better priced middle and lower packages. I don't need 100 mbit. 25-50 is more than enough.
    Internet should be like 40$ a month for those speeds.

  7. Re:Alwys said there was a gaping hole in their pla by Daemonik · · Score: 1

    That's like saying "Thanks for this highway, I can really enjoy my moped now!"

  8. Re: How very Republican of Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pukianz hate us and want us to die. That's how their kind is. Google is Republican. Pukianz. They want us to die. To die.

  9. Better than Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many of you might know the NBN debacle we had a few years ago.

    As bad this is, it's still better than what we have...
    Market competition does work better than a government monopoly.

    1. Re:Better than Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many of you might know the NBN debacle we had a few years ago.

      Someone hacked the AstroScript and wrote 'Jackson Howard Lifts His Tail For Furries' on the moon?

  10. Re:Alwys said there was a gaping hole in their pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No it isn't. The highway is paid for with tax payers' funds which could be used elsewhere; such as education and health, or more military grade supplies for cops to play with while the next round of donuts fries.

  11. Just shut up and TAKE MY MONEY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    expand already, Google Fiber, EXPAND! I want it all and I want it NOW!

  12. come to Seattle Google! by dizzy8578 · · Score: 1

    Your own employees and the thousands of amazombies will pay the top rate for BW and it will cover us poor and disabled easily.

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  13. googles leading by SeoTik · · Score: 1

    after launching 10Gbps dedicated fiber links in silicon 2 years ago they put a strong foot in the networking and internet services in the us and now they are running a 5Mbps for free and thats really amazing!! they dont stop just going up by the days and its clear that they will be soon having the potential for the networking service even bigger than at&t and T-mobile and even the quality of cox and quest. well done google!

    http://seotik.net/blog

  14. Re:Alwys said there was a gaping hole in their pla by Tyr07 · · Score: 2

    It's more akin to increasing the cost, say an expensive toll for the highway, and saying you have to pay more because they made it wider and removed the speed limit. Even though you were fine getting to your destination at 100 KM/H and your car only goes 130 KM/H, and they want you to pay the same price as the people who take their ferrari and go 300 KM/H on the highway.

  15. There's no such thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As "sheer overkill" when it comes to bandwidth speed.

    1. Re:There's no such thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes there is! When videos download too fast they max out my cpu. I have to put my wifi router far enough away from my puter to throttle my own internet and stop it from crashing!

  16. Laughable by lancejjj · · Score: 1

    Google will still offer the free service in low-income areas. That's a kiss-up statement by Google and nothing more.

    What the hell is a low-income area? A zip code? A low-income apartment building with poor senior citizens? A house with a poor family?

    There is a 15% share of poverty in extremely wealthy places like Greenwich, Connecticut. Will Google refuse to support those low-income people, encouraging them to move to poverty-stricken places like Bridgeport, Connecticut which has 70%+ poverty?

    This is uncool. A normal supplier would offer tiers so that there would be a reasonable price point to keep as many customers happy as possible. A monopolistic supplier would remove low-end tiers and force users into higher tiers, as there is no competition to sell products at the lower price points.

  17. Government defined. Including Greenwich, CT by raymorris · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google Fiber offers free service to "affordable housing" developments, which is a government defined term, and "public housing", which means housing which subsidized by the taxpayers. Greenwich Connecticut has both.

    1. Re:Government defined. Including Greenwich, CT by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      What about single-family homes? My neighborhood has a significant number of old people with paid-off houses who get much less than $30K/year and can barely afford property tax, let alone Internet (or their grandchildren's bail and lawyers, but I digress). But it also has a significant number of $70K/year+ yuppies/hipsters, so the average household income might be more like $50K.

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    2. Re:Government defined. Including Greenwich, CT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't like this patchwork of subsidies. It's degrading to the poor, and politically unsustainable with the rich. It's complicated to implement and to use: the poor need a benefits ombudsman to negotiate all these tiny programs like the rich have tax accountants. It creates nasty corner cases, like the situation in 90s where the poor and the rich could afford an Ivy League education easily but the upper middle class would be totally wiped out---they wanted all your income to the point you become poor, they wanted you to sell all your rental properties, and take out a loan---while the poor get a total free ride. And it's hard to calculate the cost/benefit because it's akin to doing your charitable donation through beggars on the subway.

      It's also unfortunate that Google and telecoms have become so political that they're almost part of the government now: Google can't get X permit unless they engage in Y pork barrel process, and if they do Z then everyone will hate them and craft populist bills of attainder to punish Google specifically.

  18. Sirens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'As of recent' is not a grammatically correct phrase. It isn't even a phrase, actually (until today).

  19. Too bad. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    I would pay the 300 to have a 1 mb drop at all times, and still pay for the GB speeds. The reason is that when we sell the house, we still have a live phone and most of all, a security system while we are not there.

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  20. Both categories include single-family. As to old p by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > What about single-family homes?

    Both categories include single-family homes. "Affordable housing" more so than "public housing".

    > My neighborhood has a significant number of old people with paid-off houses

    Regarding the old people, Prodigy and AL don't offer similar free service, as far as I know. :)

  21. Hey Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember that equipment I sold you a while back?
      I am now going to charge you a monthly fee for it.

  22. Re:Alwys said there was a gaping hole in their pla by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    They should simply split the speeds into tiers. They went from free 5Mbps to $50 for 100Mbps. The price increase is too high and they land in the same price range as the alternatives, although offering a much higher speed.

    How about $10 per 20Mbps, $12.50 per 25Mbps or at the very least $25 per 50Mbps? That would give them multiple prices to accommodate people who can't afford more.

  23. Re:Alwys said there was a gaping hole in their pla by default+luser · · Score: 1

    And how do they pay for the optical line they run to your front door? Just do it for charity?

    There's a reason even Google charges $300 for the "free" line install: because people rarely keep the "cheap" service plans long enough for the company to break-even.

    Let's try $40 for 50 Mbit, and you're getting warmer!

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  24. Disappointed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    K.C. resident here. I've been actively supporting Google Fiber in my community for years; spreading the good word etc. etc. They changed the plan on the 6th with zero notice and sent me the signup notice I've been hoping for on the 7th. I like Google, but I'm really disappointed with the lack of communication on this.

    1. Re: Disappointed by X86BSD · · Score: 1

      Yeah I've been waiting for gigaE installed by them over by ray town for just shy of a year. The only word I hear from them is on the last day of their "deadlines" I get an email saying "yeeaahh so about your gigabit connection...yeahhh that's um not gonna happen we need another 6 months kthx."

  25. Re:Alwys said there was a gaping hole in their pla by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    How about the prices I mentioned but with a contract duration allowing Google to break-even on the installation cost with early termination fees that requires to pay whatever cost is left from that $300?

  26. What's the point of higher speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had 100/10, now on 25/10 and I do not see a difference. I rarely download anything at more than 20Mbps.

    1. Re:What's the point of higher speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I rarely download anything at more than 20Mbps.

      If what you're saying is you rarely get more than 20Mb on your 25Mb line, then you're ISP sucks. I get 99.8Mb on my 100Mb all the time. Youtube, Hulu, Netflix, Window's updates, Steam updates, Blizzard Updates, Eve Online updates, driver downloads, VPN to my work.

      I'm glad the Pony Express works fine for you, but for many others, we need better.

  27. Re:Alwys said there was a gaping hole in their pla by afidel · · Score: 1

    Let's try $40 for 50 Mbit, and you're getting warmer!
    My cable company offers 30/5 for $25/month, much more reasonable IMHO (which is why I'm not doing 60/5 for $40/month).

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  28. Hey you left out the biggest threat... by Dareth · · Score: 1

    Hey you left out the biggest threat...Godzilla!

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  29. Too steep a pricing. Give me some options. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I get 12Mbps down and 5mbps up for $40 through Centurylink. My preferred price per month is $25 but I need about 7 Mbps down and 3 Mbps up available plans don't fit me well. I'd like plans to choose from. I'm looking at alternatives from Comcast at about $35 for a little slower speeds that might work for me. I'd have to invest in another modem because I'm not going to pay $5 per month for a modem when over a year and I'd have paid for it. Why is google doing this same kind of steep pricing c**p. But the Comcast plan is for a year and then prices go up. Same with Centurylink 1 year then prices go up, but they with effort renew the plan. I'm sure Comcast would do the same and I'd be back at $40 for worse service. Kind of getting sick of loyal costumers getting treated like s**t.

  30. Re:Alwys said there was a gaping hole in their pla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the US a lot of highway funding is paid with dedicated money from a fuel tax. It can't be used elsewhere except maybe for mass transit.

  31. Re:Alwys said there was a gaping hole in their pla by mattack2 · · Score: 1

    There's a reason even Google charges $300 for the "free" line install

    That was the quoted price, but didn't they actually waive that fee, at least for a period of time?