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NASA: Top 10 Space Junk Missions (networkworld.com)

coondoggie writes: NASA' s Orbital Debris Program Office said that by far the source of the greatest amount of orbital debris remains the Fengyun-1C spacecraft, which was the target of a People's Republic of China anti-satellite test in January 2007. Much more debris is now floating around Earth's atmosphere since the six years NASA last looked at the top 10 space junk missions. The space agency says that 10 missions out of the 5,160 space missions that have launched since 1957 account for approximately one-third of all cataloged objects now in Earth orbit. NASA said that the second and fourth most significant satellite breakups are Cosmos 2251 and Iridium 33 spacecraft, which were involved in the first ever accidental satellite collision February 2009.

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  1. Planetes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We need the Toybox.

    Maybe somebody should go ahead and start building it?

    1. Re:Planetes by wiggles · · Score: 1

      Came here for the Planetes references. Was not disappointed.

    2. Re:Planetes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also came here for Planates reference. Link in case anybody has no idea what we're talking about. It starts out slow, but I highly recommend it as hard sci-fi. In particular, the way that the politics on Earth reverberate in space has hints of a Gundam story.

    3. Re:Planetes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "Planetes", not "Planates". Have you heard of copy-paste?

  2. An Army Of Laser Magnet Drones by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    That was easy. Next question please.

  3. Space debris by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

    Ah yes, space debris, another problem that's easy to create and practically fucking impossible to fix.

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    1. Re:Space debris by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that we're not really THAT far from a workable laser solution; at least technologically.

    2. Re:Space debris by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is something that giant killer lasers can totally fix. We should also deploy them in space, and create an advanced AI to autonomously control them, so it can clean up the skies for us.

      What could possibly go wrong?

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    3. Re:Space debris by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is something that giant killer lasers can totally fix. We should also deploy them in space, and create an advanced AI to autonomously control them, so it can clean up the skies for us.

      What could possibly go wrong?

      There's an implementation issue. The sharks tend to die in the vacuum of space

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    4. Re:Space debris by Catmeat · · Score: 1

      It is something the lasers for the t Starshot projec could be used for. When they're not pushing micro-probes towards Alpha Centuri.

    5. Re:Space debris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously haven't seen the documentary "Sharknado III".

    6. Re:Space debris by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Where's your "can do" attitude? Obviously, this is where genetics engineering steps in.

      I'm a big-picture guy. I'll leave it to others to figure out all the trivial details. My work here is done.

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  4. It was a message by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When the Chinese used their ASAT weapon to destroy their own satellite, sending a huge cloud of debris in orbit, they were sending a message. Did anyone get it? What do you think the message was? I didn't see any discussion of this but it came through loud and clear.

    The message was, don't fuck with us or we'll destroy your satellites and we don't give a shit how much space debris it creates. Since you are far more dependent on your satellites than we are on ours, you suffer much more in this scenario. If giving China an advantage means screwing up low earth orbit for hundreds of years, then so be it. You have the power to avoid this scenario by not putting us in a position where we feel threatened enough to use our ASAT weapons.

    It's just weird seeing a government do things like this, in its own interest. Being an American, I just assume that my own government is going to regard its own country as best as an annoyance and at worst the enemy, and its real goals are global and trans-national. I assume a lot of Europeans feel the same way. It baffles me, seeing a government pursue goals that benefit its own country and not everyone else. I just don't have any frame of reference to compare it to.

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    1. Re:It was a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > It's just weird seeing a government do things like this, in its own interest. Being an American, I just assume that my own government is going to regard its own country as best as an annoyance and at worst the enemy, and its real goals are global and trans-national. I assume a lot of Europeans feel the same way. It baffles me, seeing a government pursue goals that benefit its own country and not everyone else. I just don't have any frame of reference to compare it to.

      I hope you're being ironic / cynical; though these days we can never be sure...

      > It baffles me, seeing a government pursue goals that benefit its own country and not everyone else. I just don't have any frame of reference to compare it to.

      You know, that would be funny weren't it sad.

    2. Re:It was a message by tsotha · · Score: 1

      When the Chinese used their ASAT weapon to destroy their own satellite, sending a huge cloud of debris in orbit, they were sending a message. Did anyone get it? What do you think the message was? I didn't see any discussion of this but it came through loud and clear. The message was, don't fuck with us or we'll destroy your satellites and we don't give a shit how much space debris it creates.

      I don't know who you hang out with, but the first part was pretty obvious to everyone. The second part... meh. I doubt they even considered it.

    3. Re:It was a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give it a rest. It's nothing more than failing to look out for your own best interests 5 years down the road and pissing in the pool and lashing out due to an inferiority complex of not being able to be the biggest bully on the block. Great fucking aspiration for your people.

    4. Re: It was a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You live inside the us propaganda bubble, your view is completely warped.

      Your view of america is not shared by the rest of us on this planet. Not even close.

    5. Re:It was a message by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are delusional.

  5. good news, bad news by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

    the good news is that SpaceX has made it possible to actually clean up the debris in orbit. the bad news is it's going to take a megashitton (aka kilofuckload) of launches to get it all.

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    1. Re:good news, bad news by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      SpaceX did what, now? Launch some rockets successfully? What have the done about space junk?

    2. Re:good news, bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:good news, bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SpaceX have actually created more space junk

    4. Re:good news, bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now now, lets not make things up, going after space debris with individual launches has never been a viable option and even with SpaceX prices its still not a viable option and is unlikely to become a viable option any time soon. I guess you could go and deorbit the largest of junk satellites if the price was really really low, but going after every nut and bolt like that is just silly.

    5. Re:good news, bad news by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      a megashitton (aka kilofuckload)

      Metric or imperial?

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    6. Re:good news, bad news by srl100 · · Score: 1

      a megashitton (aka kilofuckload)

      Metric or imperial?

      Base 2 or base 10 ?

    7. Re:good news, bad news by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Duh. Base 10. Otherwise it would be a mebishitton an kibifuckload.

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    8. Re:good news, bad news by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      i'm sorry, were the prefixes not making it obvious or are you always this much of a fuckwit? ;)

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    9. Re:good news, bad news by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      your ignorance isn't an excuse to comment and yet you have anyway.

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    10. Re:good news, bad news by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      :(

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  6. Damn Chinese and Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Low Earth orbit is a limited resource to be shared among all nations. The greedy Chinese and Americans are harming the ability of others to fly in low Earth orbit. The debris poses a very real hazard to satellites in low Earth orbit, including manned vehicles. As a European, I'm angry that the EU is at a disadvantage in space travel because of the irresponsible behaviors of China and the US. They should be prohibited from conducting additional flights until their debris is cleaned up.

    1. Re: Damn Chinese and Americans by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Look at the numbers. It is China, then Russia, then America. Of course that is only from top 10.

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  7. Sounds like those racist repubs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are just looking for nonwhite people to blame.

    1. Re: Sounds like those racist repubs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's how they be.

    2. Re: Sounds like those racist repubs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article uses dog whistles.

    3. Re: Sounds like those racist repubs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. "Space" has always been racist corporate welfare.

    4. Re: Sounds like those racist repubs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As always.

    5. Re: Sounds like those racist repubs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republicans want to close space to is because it proves their God doesn't exist.

    6. Re: Sounds like those racist repubs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is why republicans always support space.

    7. Re: Sounds like those racist repubs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. That is why they supported the space shuttle since it kept us from space for decades.

    8. Re: Sounds like those racist repubs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a great Babylon 5 movie that talked about how xianism was destroyed by space.

  8. Like the message the US send in 1985? by thesupraman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Perhaps similar to the time in 1985 when America used ITS ASAT missile to hit the P78-1 SOLWIND satellite, resulting in a need for additional anti-collision design for the ISS?

    FWIW the FY1C was 750kg, the SOLWIND was 850kg.. so they should have had rather similar debris clouds..

    Or, perhaps it is somehow different? After all, when the US did it, no one else had... Perhaps being first makes it better?

    1. Re:Like the message the US send in 1985? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      low Earth orbit is a terrible place to keep a lot of space debris
      The atmosphere, negligible as it is, is enough to brake the debris and cause it to fall to Earth and burn up over time
      Perhaps there was a lot of less dependence on satellites back when the US tested its ASAT capabilities and Skylab had been gone for a while.

      The main concern these days is that there are now satellites for a series of chain reactions the cause enough debris to screw up LEO of quite a long while, or at least to destroy whatever is in LEO right now

    2. Re: Like the message the US send in 1985? by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Informative

      Quite the difference though. China's sat was destroyed at 530 miles up, and created over 2000 trackable sized items ( with more than 150,000 debris item). Assuming no cleanup by China, then in 100 years there will still be debris.
      OTOH, solwind was shot at 326 miles up, and created 285 trackable parts. All of that was gone by 2008.
      Quite the difference. Also if you think that iss put up shielding due to solwnd, then you are kidding yourself. Plenty of other junk up there.

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    3. Re:Like the message the US send in 1985? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      America above all nations is highly dependent on satellites. LEO contamination by a space war would be disastrous for America, much less so for every other nation on the planet. Nice despite my saying this explicitly, you immediately went for the "blame America" angle while failing to mention the Chinese at all.

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    4. Re: Like the message the US send in 1985? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So trying to play word games.
      You clearly try and point the finger at china as somehow being at fault here, but want to absolve the us from doing the exact same thing, only much earlier.
      The fact is the Americans started this particular game, and to then point the finger at others playing catch-up is at best childish.
      Or does American view of itself as the world police absolve it from responsibility?

      I suggest the rest of the world would not share your views.

    5. Re: Like the message the US send in 1985? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People need to stop thinking themselves as citizens of a country and more as chattle of a particular farm. Then egos go away and intelligent discussion can ensue.

    6. Re: Like the message the US send in 1985? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Begone, troll

    7. Re:Like the message the US send in 1985? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "much less so" for every other nation?

      Quantify that a little ?

    8. Re:Like the message the US send in 1985? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is what you think. In fact dependencies between nations are so big today that one little volcano exploding at wrong time stops production of cars in Europe. I can imagine that in case of war such considerations are of lesser weight but considering that even t-shirts now go all around the world before they end up covering my fat belly - difficult. Expect rather proxy wars like the one in Syria now.

    9. Re: Like the message the US send in 1985? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America above all nations is highly dependent on satellites. LEO contamination by a space war would be disastrous for America, much less so for every other nation on the planet.

      America is a big chunk of the world's economy, and a major trading partner for many countries.

      The US had a housing bubble collapse and triggered the world's largest economic disaster since the Great Recession. Are you seriously saying that a disastrous event for America wouldn't be cascade economically? It may even be worse for other countries - US tends to have a pretty robust economy compared to other countries (hence the old joke when America sneezes, other countries catch a cold).

  9. Sure, 'tis the Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's not forget that the US had an uncontrollable urge to blast a satellite themselves too, right after China blasted one of their own. It had "toxic fuel" in it and it could have "poisoned people" if it had "fallen down".

    1. Re:Sure, 'tis the Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USA-193 was brought down at low altitude by a standard missile. Darned impressive. The US could not afford to let the satellite remains fall into enemy hands.

    2. Re:Sure, 'tis the Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US could not afford to let the satellite remains fall into enemy hands.

      It was built by Boeing. With Chinese, Russian and other foreign nationals running loose all over the place. So, too late.

  10. Take-back obligation... by UweEmmrich-Kießling · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He who puts things in the orbit should be obliged to remove it from there if no longer needed or defunct...

    1. Re:Take-back obligation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, yawn.
      Lets start to worry about this, after people start to pick up their own trash back here on earth?

    2. Re:Take-back obligation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's bizarre is that, at least in the US, there's a requirement that satellites deorbit within 25 years. That's either due to the laws of physics, or via a propulsion mechanism. Yet, a HUGE number of satellites simply get a waiver from the requirements. What's the point?

      For example: http://spacenews.com/1-in-5-cubesats-violate-international-orbit-disposal-guidelines/

      And we're sending up CubeSats more and more frequently!

  11. Be nice to see national totals by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Based on top 10, China has the most with over 3000 trackable items, Russia has 1600, while America has 1200. But, I would bet that if we looked at total national numbers, most likely #1 would be Russia followed by China, America, and then Europe.

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  12. Should be obligatory viewing/reading by palemantle · · Score: 1

    Someone somewhere needs to make Planetes obligatory material for space agency personnel somewhere.

    FWIW, Planetes is a hard science manga/anime that talks about the problems associated with space debris and the issues faced by people trying to fix said problems.

    1. Re:Should be obligatory viewing/reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When US or China decided to show that they could destroy a satellite (to show the rest of the world that they had the biggest d*ck), it's not the space agency who decided it. It's the military and/or the governments.

    2. Re:Should be obligatory viewing/reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US test was the more impressive as it was conducted from a ship with a widely deployed, operational weapon.

  13. This is why we need to shutdown all space agencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why we need to shutdown all space agencies immediately as too imature and this early in history... dooming the planet to being trapped inside its own atmosphere.

  14. A wantonly stupid act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    China's anti-satellite test remains one of the most wantonly stupid acts of the space age, by a nation that specializes in them.

  15. Re:YUO FAIL iT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YUOFAILTDBSDFT?

    I gotta get ready to show up in an office and keep a chair warm for 8 hours doing meaningless shit. Anybody else want to figure out what that's supposed to mean?

  16. Dog whistle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Chinese are wily.

  17. ground control to david letterman by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 1

    "And now, from the home office in Sioux City Iowa, the Top 10 Junkiest Space Missions:"

    "10: Pinata 11"

    "9: The International Space Dumpster"

    ...etc.

  18. Accidental? by dkman · · Score: 1

    which were involved in the first ever accidental satellite collision February 2009.

    That begs the question, "How many satellite collisions have been on purpose?"

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