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Amazon Won't Sell Non-Prime Members Certain Popular Movies and Video Games (businessinsider.com)

An anonymous reader writes: If you're not an Amazon Prime subscriber, you will no longer be able to purchase certain popular game titles and movies, according to a report on game blog Videogamer. One of the benefits of Amazon's Prime program is that it gives members exclusive access to some items. This selection includes a rotating roster of popular video games, Blu-rays, and DVDs. Non-Prime members in the US can't buy titles such as Oscar-winning "Birdman" on Blu-ray or "GTA V" for PS4 from Amazon. This initiative, which has been going for quite some time, affects customers in the UK as well (though the selection is different). Non-Prime customers can still buy these titles from third-party sellers on Amazon's platform, but not from Amazon directly.

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  1. And this is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have stopped buying from Amazon completely.

    1. Re:And this is why... by transami · · Score: 2

      Amazon is getting out of control. If we had a government that actually worked, I'd half expect some anti-trust actions would be hovering around them by now. I wonder how much worse it will get?

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    2. Re:And this is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just use my brother's or coworker's prime account. I don't feel the need to give Amazon extra money. The only reason I even do that is because I don't feel like waiting the 2 weeks it takes to get something using the free shipping when they have it in stock at their warehouse 15 miles away.

      Most of the time, I buy something new or used from a marketplace reseller, which Prime doesn't do any good for unless it's fulfilled by Amazon.

      It's getting to the point where everyone else is becoming competitive anyway. Hell, even eBay (the shithole that it is) has better prices.

    3. Re:And this is why... by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Anti-trust? What can't you buy at a dozen other places? They're just forcing people to buy elsewhere. So they're busting their own trust.

    4. Re:And this is why... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      I'd half expect some anti-trust actions would be hovering around them by now. I wonder how much worse it will get?

      In the market for online movies, Amazon is not a monopoly, or even the biggest vendor. Netflix and Apple can survive without help from government trust busters.

    5. Re: And this is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Monopsony. Plus, they are taking massive losses to drive their competition out.

    6. Re:And this is why... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      You're kidding, right? Amazon is waist-deep in competitors. If they are too expensive for you, or you don't like their services, there is any number of places you can shop (online or off) for what Amazon sells.

      You guys who scream for the government nanny every little time retail doesn't go your way are starting to scare me...

    7. Re: And this is why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon says: Ouch!

    8. Re: And this is why... by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      How does Amazon dictate the prices at suppliers can sell again, or function as the sole potential purchaser? Or do you just not know what the term monosony means?

      Also, massive losses are incompatible with a substantial 5 year net income.

      You're wrong on both counts.

    9. Re: And this is why... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Are they? Next time you see something from an Amazon Marketplace Seller (most of the goods on Amazon these days), try searching for the seller's name. I've found that you can often get the same thing cheaper directly from the seller's own web site. Lots of companies have an Amazon (and eBay) presence for the exposure, but because they have to pay these sites a cut of the sales they just bump up the prices.

      There's also the issue on Amazon that it's impossible to find anything if it's not something very similar to their core market (books). For example, look at projectors on Amazon - they have a load of things you can filter on but most of the metadata is wrong. Filter on native resolution of 1080p and you'll get a load of results, most of which tell you in the description that the native resolution is 480x800.

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    10. Re:And this is why... by lhowaf · · Score: 1

      Suddenly I feel slimy for belonging to an "exclusive" Prime. Thanks, Amazon.

  2. getting my money's worth for prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad I signed up for Prime. I signed up and I buy some of those items. Thanks, Amazon!

    1. Re:getting my money's worth for prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I bet you are you dirty anonymous coward (aka amazon employee).

      I have prime through work - if it wasn't for the free two day shipping I wouldn't order anything from there. Prime video is absolute garbage, prime plays dirty tricks with pricing to make it look like when you're getting a good deal when they fuck around with MSRP. It's ridiculous.

      Amazon will be pure evil in 5 years.

    2. Re:getting my money's worth for prime by HumanWiki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm glad I signed up for Prime. I signed up and I buy some of those items. Thanks, Amazon!

      Oh piss off.... Sh*t like this isn't going to get them any fans and in fact, as of the most recent update, they've back pedaled on the Video game lock out thing. Being a Prime member should be about getting better prices, faster shipping and such.. Not f*cking non-Prime members from buying items completely.

    3. Re:getting my money's worth for prime by HumanWiki · · Score: 3

      Quick, somebody call a whambulance stat. We've got a severe outbreak of butthurt.

      That's funny coming from someone that can't even be bothered to post as an actual account.. Back under the rock AC.

    4. Re:getting my money's worth for prime by kevmeister · · Score: 1

      The real question, so far unanswered and, at least in this forum, unasked, is why Amazon is doing this. They are not using it to sell Prime. They seem to be keeping rather quiet about it.

      My first thought is that it is tied to licensing arrangements. You know... the contracts that say who gets access to what content and when. Some verbiage in some agreement that prevents Amazon from making something available to everyone, but allows it for a restricted percentage of customers. After all, while there are a LOT of Prime accounts, they are a small fraction of all Amazon accounts.

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  3. Prime membership by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am a Prime member and I can conclusively say it isn't worth the $100. Take a look at the movies/music available for Prime streaming: utter garbage. Also, not having to see "Birdman" is a bonus in my book.

    1. Re:Prime membership by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      At this point I use Prime mostly for Prime Music in the car and the free shipping as we order dog food and several other items from Amazon. I do occasionally watch movies on Prime if I'm working from home, but not often. As for Birdman, well, I'm a fan of Keaton (I actually enjoyed him as Batman, Beetlejuice is a classic, and even his character in The Other Guys was pretty good), but the movie was ok but forgettable. The only scene I really remember was the continuous hall shot with the live drummer.

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    2. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not worth it for the streaming content alone, but if you order physical items a lot, the included 2 day shipping is nice.

    3. Re:Prime membership by dmomo · · Score: 2

      And the flagship product of Prime, the free shipping is sort of a scam, too. You'll see many sellers on Amazon selling the same product, and surprise, surprise, the ones that are Prime eligible happen to cost more, and the increase is pretty much exactly the price of shipping.

    4. Re:Prime membership by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      If you have a newborn at home it is a lifesaver to not have to go to a store. We've let it lapse and just coordinate our purchases to hit the free shipping ($49 IIRC), but if you're not using the free 2 day shipping a lot then I agree that the other incentives are weak.

    5. Re:Prime membership by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I am a Prime member and I can conclusively say it isn't worth the $100.

      I agree with your sentiment... I'm still a Prime member, but it's mainly out of laziness. I keep intending to look through my past orders, see what I really needed to get in three days (that's not a typo - Prime two-day shipping slides to three, more often than not) and then compare the costs of paying for shipping those items with the cost of Prime.

      Also, Prime video itself IS garbage. They claim they've got all these shows, but only a subset are actually included for free - generally the first few episodes. If you want to see the rest, you have to pay more.

      This latest dick move from Amazon is basically Bezos banking on the laziness of people like me. I have gotten used to just going to Amazon first when I'm shopping online - and habits are hard to break. But I think I'll start trying to break this one.

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    6. Re:Prime membership by zero_out · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm a prime member, and I find it to be immensely useful. When I calculate how much money we save, prime membership is clearly worth it. On average, the items my family (i.e. my wife) shops for cost significantly less through Amazon than through a brick-and-mortar store. The only advantages that a brick-and-mortar store hold for us are the absence of shipping fees and delivery times. With prime membership's included 2-day shipping, those shipping fees become a small fraction of the prime membership cost, and 2-day shipping delivers the items sooner than I can schedule a trip to the store and buy them. Altogether we save time and money. It's true that their prime streaming catalog sucks, but that's not the main reason for most people to purchase a prime membership. Prime streaming, by itself, is definitely not worth $100/year.

    7. Re:Prime membership by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you have a newborn at home it is a lifesaver to not have to go to a store.

      Are there statistics on how many lives were saved by online shopping?

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    8. Re:Prime membership by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      I knew it was a ripoff when they really, really, really wanted to give me 2 day shipping "for free" to try it. Shipping is expensive, even if you're a big customer like they are. If they're giving away that much to so many people, they must have a really nice profit margin on the service.

      The movie industry already tries really hard to keep from having content I would pay for. It is funny to me that Amazon wants to make movies even less agreeable to their own customers than they are to the general public.

      It really amazes me how many people they've hoodwinked into buying a subscription... to a store. Now they have this marketing idea, "look! Buy a subscription and we'll treat you like a customer, instead of like crap!" I'm just not sure this works out in the long-term, even if it does boost some numbers for a couple cycles. They might really be opening a door to competition.

    9. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who buys a lot of new games, I can conclusively say that it is worth the $100. The cost of games + a Prime membership is actually cheaper than the cost of games alone. Yes, even if you select the Free Super Saver Shipping or whatever the hell they are calling it now.

      That said, this does seem a little shady.

    10. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a miracle any of us made it!

    11. Re:Prime membership by chipschap · · Score: 1

      Note that if you live in Alaska or Hawaii you don't get free 2-day shipping, just free one to two week shipping via Parcel Pool.

    12. Re:Prime membership by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Also, Prime video itself IS garbage. They claim they've got all these shows, but only a subset are actually included for free - generally the first few episodes.

      I didn't know that. I was thinking about getting Prime mainly because I'd like to see The Americans and Man in the High Castle, which are not on Netflix.

      Do you know if Amazon "rotates" their streaming offerings the way Netflix does? I've noticed that sometimes a movie is on Netflix and then it's not and then occasionally it comes back.

      We were Prime customers a few years ago, before my daughter left for grad school. It saved us money because she was always ordering stuff and the shipping costs were killing us. Once we saw our online ordering drop, we dropped Prime. That was before video streaming, of course.

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    13. Re:Prime membership by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 1

      It's true that their prime streaming catalog sucks

      I dunno. I've only looked at the free streaming stuff but I've watched a good number of movies and already working through my sixth TV series. Is it perfect? Nah. But I've enjoyed it so far and the free shipping has been nice. I think Netflix is still better overall for video for now.

    14. Re:Prime membership by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      Breaking it is easy, edit your hosts file and make www.amazon.com 127.0.0.1. Done.

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    15. Re:Prime membership by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, I will be getting amazon prime in the fall to see the return of Jeremy, Richard and James to television.

      Amazon knows what they are doing, they are trying to strangle all other drop shippers and buy up exclusive stuff to insure that it wins in the end.

      And yes, I work for a drop shipper.

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    16. Re: Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So you blame Amazon because you're too lazy to cancel prime? You sound like one of those bitchtard millinials. In the same amount of time you cried like a bitch you could have canceled your account instead but you CHOSE not to.

      Go fuck you, lazy bitch ass.

    17. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are there statistics on how many lives were saved by online shopping?

      You jest, but it's possible lives were saved, though I have no idea how one would measure such a thing.

      Example, if a sleep-deprived parent stays at home, it is impossible for them to get into an automobile accident.

    18. Re: Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you know what they say. Children in the back seat cause accidents. Accidents in the back seat cause children.

    19. Re:Prime membership by astrodoom · · Score: 1

      They do rotate their offerings. Generally the content is always available, but what is free vs paid will rotate over time.

    20. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a boatload of misinformation in this thread, assuming the posters are American. Amazon's original series are available as part of Prime, with a rotating selection of popular TV programs and films, which has included some of HBO's aging properties. Your best bet is to just sign up for the trial and see how you like it.

    21. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      On average, the items my family (i.e. my wife) shops for cost significantly less through Amazon than through a brick-and-mortar store.

      Incidentally, this isn't by chance... it's mostly because the people that make sure you get things through Amazon have the most horrible jobs in the US... http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/mac-mcclelland-free-online-shipping-warehouses-labor

      I'm happy to support my local stores whenever possible.

    22. Re:Prime membership by DroolTwist · · Score: 1

      We've had Prime for a few years. I actually don't even think about having it. It's deducted once a year (which I normally miss), and we order enough from them I'm spoiled on the regular 2-day shipping, with next-day for cheap. Their prices aren't always the greatest, but I love the fact they almost always have what i'm looking for so for me it's worth the convenience.

    23. Re:Prime membership by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And the flagship product of Prime, the free shipping is sort of a scam, too. You'll see many sellers on Amazon selling the same product, and surprise, surprise, the ones that are Prime eligible happen to cost more, and the increase is pretty much exactly the price of shipping.

      That's because Amazon charges the seller a fee to warehouse the item in their warehouse(s) and for fulfilling the order. You have the option to get "free" shipping in a day or two days with Prime, or anywhere from a few days days to weeks if you wait for the seller to ship it themselves.

      I personally am an impulsive buyer that wants things ASAP. I have a prime membership as I order enough stuff that it pays for itself vs paying for normal shipping and not having to wait 7-10 days for the free we'll-get-it-to-you-when-we-get-around-to-it-shipping to make it's way to me. I also like that if there's any issues with the shipping, returns, etc I just have to deal with Amazon's support that's always been great for me. I've never had to pay for return shipping for a problem that wasn't my doing, something I have with other online retailers.

    24. Re:Prime membership by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      > Your best bet is to just sign up for the trial and see how you like it.

      This anonymous message has been brought to you by the Amazon Marketing Metrics Department.

    25. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being a prime member for anything other than the shipping benefits is pointless. Amazon's movie selection is horrible. Prime members to get access to "free" books too, but I haven't browsed the selection there much yet. Oh and apparently there is music available through a prime membership too.

      I'm a prime member and order a ton of stuff from Amazon, so proactively paying $100 for "free" shipping actually saves me about $150/yr in shipping. If I wasn't a prime member, I'd be paying about $250/yr for shipping. It also does limit some of my selection though as I will only purchase and look for products that at have prime available.

    26. Re:Prime membership by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      I have used Amazon quite a bit (non-prime), and while they normally tell you that an item will take 3 months to ship, normally it is closer to the 1-3 days for us as well.

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    27. Re:Prime membership by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      I am a Prime member and I can conclusively say it isn't worth the $100. Take a look at the movies/music available for Prime streaming: utter garbage

      Must be an awful lot of garbage.

    28. Re:Prime membership by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      $49! Wow, it's $25 for the free shipping here in Canada.

    29. Re:Prime membership by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      The big change in Alaska is you can't get an increasing number of items, especially heavy items or anything containing lithium at all.

      However, WalMart still ships bottles of salad dressing and 50 pound bags of dog food for free.

      It's a weird world.

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    30. Re:Prime membership by Woldscum · · Score: 2

      I wish Amazon would pull a Netflix streaming and/or disk subscription. Please give me a Prime shiping only option. I never use the streaming stuff. I've had prime for 10 years.

    31. Re:Prime membership by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      This was exactly my experience in the year I tried Prime. I didn't order enough for the shipping savings to justify the cost, and all the video content I wanted I could already get on Netflix.

    32. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, a lot harder. A car could conceivably still crash into their house.

    33. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with returns.

    34. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another Canadian here and i only shops on Amazon.com...

      You failed to mention amazon.ca also has 1/2 the selection.

    35. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1, really?

    36. Re:Prime membership by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Pretty much the same here. My Prime membership paid for itself for a couple of years when I bought a weight set. 275 pounds shipped, free 2-day shipping.

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    37. Re:Prime membership by desdinova+216 · · Score: 3, Funny

      be careful talk like that could summon him.

    38. Re:Prime membership by SScorpio · · Score: 1

      Best Buy's Gamer Club Unlocked at $30/2yrs is a much better deal.

      You get the same 20% off any "new" not used game. But at Best Buy it's forever as long as it's not used, not within the first two weeks of release like Amazon. This stacks with any sale price, including buy 2 get 1 free deals.

      So far Best Buy's free shipping has also gotten everything I've ordered to me in two days.

      I still have Prime, but I get all my games from Best Buy.

    39. Re:Prime membership by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You jest, but it's possible lives were saved

      Yeah, the first funny mod provoked the same thought. I'm sure the number is above zero. But I have to counter that with the number of murders possibly facilitated by online weapons purchases. Could be a zero sum thing.

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    40. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering the vastly lower crash rate for professional UPS drivers vs the general driving public, I'd wager online shopping has indeed saved many lives.

    41. Re:Prime membership by Luthair · · Score: 1

      If you're using Amazon that much, why wouldn't you wait a few days and batch things and qualify for free shipping normally?

    42. Re:Prime membership by Undead+Waffle · · Score: 1

      Well at least I'm not missing anything. I don't use the streaming because Amazon won't make their streaming service Chromecastable. They want you to buy their Fire crap...

    43. Re:Prime membership by Luthair · · Score: 1

      In my experience Amazon was pretty reasonable with returns. At least for defective items, no clue what the experience would be otherwise.

    44. Re:Prime membership by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Prime streaming, by itself, is definitely not worth $100/year.

      In fact, Prime streaming is available as a standalone for $10/year.

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    45. Re:Prime membership by russotto · · Score: 1

      Shipping is expensive, even if you're a big customer like they are. If they're giving away that much to so many people, they must have a really nice profit margin on the service.

      They don't need a huge profit margin. I'm sure they have one, but the biggest benefit of getting you signed up for prime is when you're buying something you'll most likely just go straight to Amazon rather than go somewhere else because after all, you've already paid for the 2-day shipping.

    46. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon is freaking awesome on returns, until you hit some "abusive" marker around 5%. That is to say, if you order 100 items and return more than 5 of them, Amazon goes into fuck-you mode and starts denying returns or even cancels your account outright. They advertise Prime as a service to buy everything from groceries to TVs, it's hard not to return things now and then. Especially if you order something like shoes or clothing that might not fit correctly when it arrives, you go to return it, and Amazon tells you sorry, you've already returned more than 5 things this year... Fuck that noise and fuck Amazon.

    47. Re:Prime membership by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      The streaming stuff was added on for "free". Yes, it's in quotes, because yes, it costs them to provide it.. However, when it started, the price of Prime didn't go up for a few years.

      BTW, I'm not meaning to _totally_ defend it, because I'm admittedly not really making the best use of it either. I often let them "bribe" me for slower shipping (with a music credit or a few other things, and now that I think about it, I think the credit for their grocery delivery expired), and I only use the video once in a while. (and so far, mostly for shows I could have Tivoed instead, like Grimm and The Americans).

    48. Re:Prime membership by Zeroko · · Score: 1

      It is not like he is Voldemort or Hastur.

    49. Re:Prime membership by nnull · · Score: 1

      Pretty much spot on. I never had delivery problems with Amazon. RMA is so easy with Amazon and almost zero hassle compared to other online retailers (Tried Newegg? They pretty much give you the middle finger for RMA's). As for higher prices, well, I don't exclusively use Amazon for everything, but I do weigh my options with other online retailers and Amazon usually wins out for me for the fast shipping.

    50. Re:Prime membership by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      And the flagship product of Prime, the free shipping is sort of a scam, too. You'll see many sellers on Amazon selling the same product, and surprise, surprise, the ones that are Prime eligible happen to cost more, and the increase is pretty much exactly the price of shipping.

      Oh, don't be so logical or the plebes will catch on!

      Amazon Prime subscribers enjoy FREE SHIPPING (that is – the cost is incorporated into the price of the product, obscuring the difference in price from the rubes who think that it is a "Good Idea" to "Subscribe" (AKA, indenture one's self) to a particular retailer.

    51. Re:Prime membership by PhoenixFlare · · Score: 1

      I also see many non-Prime-eligible items cheaper than the Prime price....but surprise, the cost for (usually much slower) shipping makes up the difference, sometimes down to the penny.

      No point in not buying the Prime-eligible stuff if it's the same price but faster.

    52. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You jest but driving to the store can be pretty dangerous... We do know miles per capita driven is heading down and I suspect online shopping is part of the reason. Delivery trucks consolidate a bunch of deliveries (so drive fewer miles than individuals shopping would) and are driven by professional drivers which (believe it or not) are significantly less likely to get into accidents. Wouldn't be surprised if online shopping has saved 100's or even 1000's of lives. Perhaps particularly among overly tired new parents who might doze off at the wheel??

    53. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool, I did not know about that. Thanks for the info.

    54. Re:Prime membership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prime Now is a godsend, especially with it rolling out in my area just as they started charging for Amazon Fresh.

      Milk, eggs and TP in 2 hours.

    55. Re:Prime membership by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      They don't need a huge profit margin. I'm sure they have one, but [promotional comments]

      See, that is exactly what I'd expect them to say. We didn't have to have a big profit margin, but we do, [blah blah blah other subjects].

      If they make any net profit on an optional service upgrade that doesn't change the product received, then I'm over-paying. And it isn't a form of insurance, it doesn't standardize a risk factor.

      What you said makes no sense from the consumers perspective. "Gosh, its worth it for me because by locking myself in, I'm already locked in!"

      The benefit of not being locked in, you can choose the best source for a product each time you buy a product! And you'll actually save money, since everybody agrees that they make net profit, probably a lot.

  4. This is what in legal circles is know as extortion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First thy want you to pay for good service and then they try to force you to pay extra for the right to buy from them?

  5. Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called, lock in. Nice trick but who actually cares...

    1. Re: Amazon by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I've got Prime but don't use anything except the shipping. This looks like more stupidity like discontinuing Chromecast and AppleTV.

      I don't use Amazon Video because the value proposition sucks, not because I have Chromecasts. I guess non-frugal people might buy more, because otherwise it would be stupid *and* unprofitable.

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  6. Sounds like a bad idea to me... by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously think about it. Someone is searching on the INTERNET to purchase a popular item. If amazon won't sell it to random customer, there are 20-100 other stores that gladly will. All you have done is lose business which could have also resulted in additional sales for other items at the same time of the purchase (as well as all the additional marketing information that was lost from the sale which seems to be the real money anyway now).

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    1. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      The assumptions seems to be that people make purchasing decisions based on the store they want to buy at rather than the product they want to buy.

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    2. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by geek · · Score: 1

      I was already migrating more to other online stores out of moral objections to Amazon anyway. This just sorta seals it for me. I don't want to have any affiliation with them and I've been a member since 1999. If they can lose me they can lose anybody.

    3. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by Eloking · · Score: 1

      Seriously think about it. Someone is searching on the INTERNET to purchase a popular item. If amazon won't sell it to random customer, there are 20-100 other stores that gladly will. All you have done is lose business which could have also resulted in additional sales for other items at the same time of the purchase (as well as all the additional marketing information that was lost from the sale which seems to be the real money anyway now).

      I don't think they are that stupid.

      I'm guessing that they'll make sure they offer the lowest price possible to cover the aftertaste of the membership pill, kinda like CostCo.

      If all of those product are like, 5$ less on amazon and you made a dozen of those purchase in the last months, my guess is that you'll start to be jealous of your neighbour that have access to all those cool discount and 1-day shipping.

      Of course, you want to start a price war, be sure you're ready to fight for it. My guess is that amazon is big enough to risk it.

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    4. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      The issue is that it's both a carrot and a stick. In many cases the items they're selling exclusively to Prime members are also being sold at a discount that puts them below the price of other retailers.

      For instance, I needed a sprinkler last year for my lawn. The best match for our needs was one that cost over $75 everywhere we checked online...except Amazon, which sold it exclusively to Prime members for $25. That purchase alone paid for me to renew my Prime membership for the first time in years (since Amazon had me listed incorrectly as still being a student eligible for a $50 membership, presumably from my time in grad school long ago).

      I don't think this is necessarily going to drive customers away, so long as they keep making the purchases compelling. In the case of GTA5, it looks like Amazon is either matching or beating other retailers with that $40 price (e.g. Newegg lists it at $55). Likewise with Birdman, which Amazon has for $13, but which is listed for $20 at Walmart. They clearly think that the other benefits of Prime are compelling, so they're banking on people trying it out and being hooked by the convenience. As for me, I'm planning to let my membership lapse in a few months until I run into a similar purchase again, but that's because I don't miss the other benefits of Prime when they're gone.

      More and more, however, I get the impression I'm the outlier.

    5. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Lowest price? Only if you don't include used copies (which, for movies, would be a pretty silly thing to not include). There was one movie that I wanted to buy on Blu-Ray that Amazon did this with. I moved it to my "items to buy later" list. After six months, it was still a Prime exclusive, so I gave up and bought a "Like New" copy from a third-party Amazon merchant for less than half what Amazon was charging for a new copy. So not only did they fail to entice me to come back to Prime (which I dumped for Netflix), but they also lost the profit that they would have made on that title (except for their commission on the Amazon Marketplace sale).

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    6. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by jeffcox65 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seriously think about it. Someone is searching on the INTERNET to purchase a popular item. If amazon won't sell it to random customer, there are 20-100 other stores that gladly will. All you have done is lose business which could have also resulted in additional sales for other items at the same time of the purchase (as well as all the additional marketing information that was lost from the sale which seems to be the real money anyway now).

      I don't think they are that stupid.

      Yes, they are that stupid. I wanted to buy one of the aforementioned games from Amazon and found that they wouldn't sell to me unless I bought a Prime Membership or from one of their 3rd parties. After 10 seconds of stunned silence, I browsed over to target.com, found the item for the same price, discovered that the brick-and-mortar Target price-matches *even from their own website*, trundled down to the local target and got the item the same day instead of waiting for shipping.

      I took the time to write Amazon a nastygram, explaining that their shortsighted decision drove my sale away from Amazon to Target, that I was happier, more satisfied and received my item quicker, and that in the future I would consider that route first.

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    7. Re: Sounds like a bad idea to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been trapped at home sick for three weeks, quarantined away from my wife and newborn.

      After being Amazon-dependent for a few weeks, I can tell they're losing money on some of the prime exclusives / prime add-ons. We bought a music stand, 2-day shipped for $7. It came in its own 3' x 6" x 6" amazon box, and maybe in 1 day. Cost of packaging / shipping had to be near $7, ignoring the product itself.

      In other news, we also signed up for amazon fresh. I can't recommend the amazon-branded meat, but everything else has been fine. We tried instacart first, but Amazon's inventory management is worlds better, and they gave us a upc scanner we keep next to the recycle bin.

      I don't understand why there is no #2 to compete with Amazon. Most markets end up with a 90/10 split... I guess the old Sears catalog was one of a kind too (a century ago).

    8. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      It is sort of odd that this would be with games and movies where the prices rarely fluctuate much between vendors until they are rather old.

    9. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup.

      And it's not just movies and games. There are several kitchen items (Prime Pantry) that Amazon won't sell you unless you are a member (tee-hee, I said member).

      Which lead to a recent discovery-

      Hey, did you know Walmart often sells the same items as Amazon, often at a better price? Who knew?

      This is just arrogance before the fall. Amazon was decent at one-stop shopping, but since they are slowly destroying that, I find myself checking other retailers first with Amazon being a reluctant also ran after Walmart, Ebay, Discogs, Wayfair, and Newegg.

      Ooops.

    10. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, yeah.

      Except Walmart and Newegg offer price matching.

    11. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I think the main reason is Amazon may be getting allocations of product - i.e., they order 1000 copies of some game, and they are only given 200.

      Now, if you have 200 copies, what are you going to do? You could make it first come first serve, or you could try to benefit those in your custom "club" plan get first shot as your most "loyal" of customers.

      After all, the goal is to have everything in stock if you have Prime, and for slow-moving stuff (Amazon has metrics on how fast stuff sells and how fast it'll be replenished, etc) fine, sell it to anyone and let it go out of stock. But for popular stuff, it may be a better idea to keep it in stock for Prime members and everyone else can use a zShop.

    12. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      ...which is a hassle to deal with since it involves either a phone call or a visit to the store, thus negating the convenience factor of a one-click purchase.

      Moreover, read the fine print on most of those price-matching offers, and you'll find that they're inapplicable in a number of different cases. Most of them provide a whitelist of accepted retailers that they'll match. For instance, when I tried to get Best Buy to price-match Amazon on a TV a few years back, I quickly discovered that they wouldn't match the price listed on Amazon, the site, unless it was being sold by Amazon, the company (Best Buy didn't get my business, as a result). Likewise, you may also run into issues getting a price-match if the price is only possible because there are other costs that aren't reflected in the final retail price, such as membership dues that help to push costs down at places like Sam's Club or Costco. As Prime becomes something more akin to a warehouse club, you'll likely see similar stipulations being applied to Prime-only prices.

    13. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Even then they're not always the lowest-priced vendor. Unless it's something relatively trivial, I do shop around - lots of places either match or beat Amazon's pricing with free shipping.

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    14. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      You could make it first come first serve, or you could try to benefit those in your custom "club" plan get first shot as your most "loyal" of customers.

      The interesting thing is that more and more vendors are coming to the understanding that the "loyal" customers are often the easiest ones to piss on without consequences. Disney's been doing that for years.

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    15. Re:Sounds like a bad idea to me... by Desler · · Score: 1

      No, it takes about 5 minutes MAX (often less) of time to get price matches at Frys, Best Buy, etc.

    16. Re: Sounds like a bad idea to me... by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      ...except that I have personal experiences to the contrary that say otherwise. Which I elaborated in that same comment. But sure, claim it never happens.

  7. Re: This is what in legal circles is know as extor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it's not. It's a legal and established business model that's been used for decades by stores like Sam's Club.

  8. Where is the competition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon, regardless of 3rd party sellers and "competitors", have the market cornered.

    Now they can drop the hammer and get away this shit!

    Disgusting.

    1. Re:Where is the competition? by Kreplock · · Score: 1

      What market have they cornered? The web is full of online markets. Amazon organizes and works their slaves a little harder to save you a few bucks here and there, but if I can't buy something from them I'll obviously just go elsewhere.

    2. Re:Where is the competition? by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Amazon, regardless of 3rd party sellers and "competitors", have the market cornered.

      Now they can drop the hammer and get away this shit!

      Disgusting.

      Really, Amazon has the market cornered? How. There are tons of places to buy online, not to mention brick and mortar stores virtually everywhere that sell the same games and movies.

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  9. Re: This is what in legal circles is know as extor by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and by laws in some states beer / liquor and pharmacy can not be members only

  10. There are other stores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and many are much cheaper than Amazon. Just saying.

    1. Re:There are other stores by rossdee · · Score: 1

      And some of them don't charge sales tax which makes them even cheaper still.

  11. too much market control by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    Such policies are another good reason for having a marketplace independent of vendors through which people can search and buy whatever.

  12. Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More sells for Google's Play store I guess.

  13. They push Prime too hard by RobinH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The amount of pushing they do of Prime is what really turns me off of it. When someone comes to my house to sell me something, I know it's likely not in my best interest because they've invested considerable time and energy to come and solicit me, so they're likely to take a big cut, and I'm better off finding the product on my own if I can. It's the same with Amazon Prime - they seem to want to push it on me so bad that it must be a really valuable sale for them, which likely means it's not a good deal for me.

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    1. Re:They push Prime too hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not really. Prime members buy way more stuff on Amazon than normal account-holders, and go out of their way to source things from Amazon because of the "free delivery".

      That's what Amazon is chasing, not the annual fee.

    2. Re:They push Prime too hard by zero_out · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In general, I agree with your premise. That's why I never buy the extended warranty on anything. A store wouldn't offer the warranty if it didn't result in a net profit for them. If I can't afford a replacement for an item breaking, then I can't really afford the item in the first place. For Amazon, selling you a prime membership is better because it removes the shipping cost from the equation when a customer is considering whether to purchase an item from them or not. That turns into more gross sales, and also allows Amazon to make up the difference through economies of scale. As a customer, is that better for you? You no longer have to worry about shipping costs, so purchasing items through Amazon is more convenient. You also don't have to plan a trip to the store, which can also be more stressful and expensive if you have kids. How much is your time worth for you? How much wear do you put on your vehicle, and spend on gasoline, when you drive to the store? These answers are different for each of us, but I think more of us fall on the side of prime membership being beneficial for us than those who don't.

    3. Re:They push Prime too hard by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      It's the same with Amazon Prime - they seem to want to push it on me so bad that it must be a really valuable sale for them, which likely means it's not a good deal for me.

      As others below said, it's about driving people to purchase items off Amazon, not necessarily to make money off of Prime itself. For example, about a year ago when I was living in my rental house with a small lawn I bought a (admittedly smaller and lighter than normal) electric lawnmower off of Amazon. At it's size shipping would have made it not worth the cost, but because I got free shipping I purchased it from Amazon instead of going to a local store. Of course, the house I just bought has an even smaller lawn, so most of the time I just my weed eater to cut the grass.

      Essentially, for Amazon Prime is at best a small profit center and at worst a loss leader leading to more overall purchases and therefore more profit.

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    4. Re:They push Prime too hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feel free to shop elsewhere then. I mean, really.

    5. Re:They push Prime too hard by omnichad · · Score: 2

      They're trying to use the sunk cost fallacy to gain them some vendor lock-in. Tell me how that's more in the customer's favor than Amazon's.

    6. Re:They push Prime too hard by TroII · · Score: 1

      It's the same with Amazon Prime - they seem to want to push it on me so bad that it must be a really valuable sale for them, which likely means it's not a good deal for me.

      That's the exact feeling I get about Windows 10.

    7. Re:They push Prime too hard by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Oh, hey, it turns out that it has been 10 years since I swore off purchasing anything from Amazon or the Amazon Marketplace.

      So, as it turns out, there are many others who have done the same. Otherwise, why would Amazon be adding this extra push to get people to "subscribe" to the privilege to pay essentially the same price for a book (or whatever) as they could pay elsewhere. (Note to hoarders: Amazon Prime provides FREE shipping!).

      Oh, hey, that reminds me of the "old saying" that Best Buy, Circuit City, or your local retailer were the show-rooms for products available on Amazon. Sure, that was true enough back then.

      Today, the Amazon website serves as a show-room for products that I might want to buy. Samples of text, astro-turfed product reviews, and most importantly – specs.

      Once I've made my choice, I go off to another vendor. Sure, I might "pay a little more", as far as the list-price is concerned. But hey, the cost of shipping & tax are listed. I don't have to factor in the concept of: "Did I pay for a Prime membership – that gives me free delivery – or did that expire?"

      Fuck Amazon. Sworn-off 10 years ago.

      Also, fuck Best Buy and Circuit City, which I swore off 20 years ago. Oh, wait, they've gone out of business, haven't they?

      I look forward to ten years-from-now.

    8. Re:They push Prime too hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are willing to break their user experience to such levels to push Prime. In the checkout process, at some point there is a page with a single button to continue/get free shipping by signing up for Prime. The other option is not a button, but a tiny link quite some distance from the button.

  14. The Monster Demands Your Loyalty! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bow and pay your tithe or be cut off from the goods!

  15. Re:Very sad news ... Prince, dead at 57 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He died of a marijuana overdoes

  16. Re: This is what in legal circles is know as extor by zero_out · · Score: 1

    I admit that I didn't read the article, but I don't think drugs and alcohol are things which are offered exclusively to prime members.

  17. rents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this is called market power, extraction of rents, monopoly.

  18. Don't want to sell me this thing? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Then I can take my business elsewhere. good day!

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    1. Re:Don't want to sell me this thing? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      good day!

      But-

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    2. Re:Don't want to sell me this thing? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      I said GOOD DAY!

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  19. Managed dissatisfaction by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    Amazon is a good place to shop. It has a huge selection, decent prices and it's simple to use. But recent changes, such as forcing my to buy $25 of most things before they'll ship it and the change in TFA make it less convenient. I'll stop shopping at Amazon the moment it becomes less useful than alternatives. I can definitely see that moment approaching soon.

    Lots of big companies do what Amazon is doing. They all have different words for it, but the appropriate phrase is "managed dissatisfaction". When your grocery store shuts down a register and makes you wait longer, when Amazon makes itself less convenient, when your bank demands payment for sending you paper statements, when you have to wait on hold half an hour, when you have to walk through an isle of shit you don't need to get what you want, all of this stuff. They recognize they're offering a disservice and they're betting it's not quite bad enough to make you stop going there. They aim for as much dissatisfaction as they can give you and still keep you as a customer. As someone who doesn't like being fucked with my threshold is a little more sensitive than a lot of people. Maybe if you lower yours too stores in general will fuck with everyone a little less.

    My guess, though, is that Amazon's leadership are jumping the shark. They're trying to liquidate customers for short-term gain. If I'm right they'll keep milking until they hemorrhage customers and lose their hard-won reputation at which point they'll rebrand and start it all over again. Coming in five years: the totally-not-Amazon shopping network. New! Shiny!

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    1. Re:Managed dissatisfaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon is a shit place to shop. It makes finding the exact product I want at the cheapest price difficult, which is all I care about when shopping online. There is so much stuff that gets in the way on their site, so many ambiguities (for example their habit of attaching reviews to products that are different from the one in the review). Their tracking is absolutely in your face. I strictly only buy there if the external price search shows them among the cheapest options and I have a good reason not to use the cheaper options, and then I go that product page, log in, order, log out and close the browser. I won't even consider renting entertainment from them, for which I would have to be logged into their system most of the time. Not in a fucking thousand years.

  20. Sounds like they are gunning for Costco by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Exclusive, low price items for a membership fee? If I were Costco I'd be nervous...

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    1. Re:Sounds like they are gunning for Costco by zero_out · · Score: 1

      Exclusive, low price items for a membership fee? If I were Costco I'd be nervous...

      Low price items? There's a reason we call it the "$200 store" around here. You spend at least that much every time you shop there.

  21. End result: buy the same movies via price match! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wanted to buy a few movies from Amazon for convenience, but didn't want to get Prime for the "privileged" of buying the movies... end result went to a local store that offers price matching, and bought them there instead! Very good move Amazon.... Actually one movie was cheaper already than Amazon... if they keep this up, I'll end up going back to buying most movies locally...

  22. Re:Very sad news ... Prince, dead at 57 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it was your crappy spelling that did him in.

  23. Shipping sucks worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shipping has gotten worse. The once a week shipping unless you pay for 2 day or prime is reason enough to make Amazon a last-stop situation.

    1. Re:Shipping sucks worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not to mention continually hiking up the price to qualify for free shipping.

    2. Re:Shipping sucks worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with you on this one. If you have Prime your stuff ships right away.. If not you get one of these choices:

      Arriving Apr 25 - Apr 28
      Preparing for Shipment

      Or

      Arriving Apr 26 - Apr 30
      Not yet shipped

      It is like they just sit on it for days then decide to package things up and ship it.

    3. Re:Shipping sucks worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you have Prime, it's still often more than two days. It's not cool having to wait almost a week for "2-day" shipments to arrive.

    4. Re:Shipping sucks worse by SScorpio · · Score: 2

      If you actually have that problem. File a complaint. They give you a free month of prime each time they miss a ship date.

  24. Always trying to make it hard for the customer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't buy it on Amazon? There's always Walmart. Or dozens of other places. Or your local store that is employing people in you area. Or torrents. Whatever.

  25. subscription... to a store by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 3, Informative

    Costco, anyone?

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    1. Re:subscription... to a store by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I admit, I have a Costco membership. Unlike Amazon, Costco's prices are generally actually cheaper enough to justify it (except for things where no-name-brand substitutions are acceptable, in which case you're better off somewhere like Aldi).

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    2. Re:subscription... to a store by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I did pay $5 for a lifetime membership at Bi-Mart.

      The thing about costco, most of the good prices are on large quantities of things, and I just don't burn through a lot of crap, or eat a bunch of processed food. I don't need a shopping cart full of toilet paper, I don't use disposable napkins, I don't go through giant boxes of envelopes, etc etc. And when I was in there with a member one time, and the electronics weren't cheaper than online; or even well labeled. They had a giant display of small office air conditioning units, for about the same prices as anywhere. They seem to sell a lot of packaged food in large quantities, and fresh cooked whole chickens. Everybody in line had at least one chicken. A chicken in every pot, sans pot.

      The thing about the food, I can go to a restaurant wholesaler who is open to the public and buy better stuff, cheaper; sans cooked chickens. If I really wanted that sort of quantity. But I'd rather eat fresher food.

      Paper towels are cheaper at the restaurant wholesaler, if I did use them. 20lb blocks of cheese are the same price. But I buy food at a lot of different places, as does anybody who likes to eat well. For a business, it either makes sense or doesn't, depending on what you buy. For an individual... well, they're all sharing a business card between a bunch of people, so they're not actually subscribing.

    3. Re:subscription... to a store by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The deals on food are okay, but I think what put my membership over the edge into being worth it for the last two years was a mattress (last year) and car tires (this year). And also gas.

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    4. Re:subscription... to a store by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I went to a local place (American Mattress) and the cheapest memory foam mattress was also the firmest. The exact opposite of spring mattresses! Its nice to pay the least money for the nicest offering for once. We at least sat on every mattress in the place. I can't imagine making that sort of purchase from the selection at a box store!

      Tires, similar thing. If a place requires a membership for anything having to do with my car, I can't imagine accepting lock-in, not being able to easily transfer the benefits (like rotation) to a new owner, etc. It reduces the value of the car if stuff you paid for doesn't transfer, or isn't going to be seen as transferable by potential buyers.

      Gas, I check the prices and I can say that Cosco is consistently in the top 5 cheapest for my area. But they're never substantially cheaper, and very rarely even the cheapest. Other chains that are about the same price (like Fred Meyer, owned by Kroger) have more locations.

      Its kinda hilarious to see somebody locking in their behavior by paying to sell themselves to a store, and then under it a specious Woz quote about ownership. Gotta love Woz, such a childlike genius that the whole Cold War just passed over him and left him untouched.

    5. Re:subscription... to a store by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      We at least sat on every mattress in the place. I can't imagine making that sort of purchase from the selection at a box store!

      Costco has a really good return policy. I didn't have to worry about making a decision based on only sitting on it in the store; I could have slept on the thing for a year and then still gotten a full refund if I decided afterwards that I didn't like it.

      Gas, I check the prices and I can say that Cosco is consistently in the top 5 cheapest for my area. But they're never substantially cheaper, and very rarely even the cheapest. Other chains that are about the same price (like Fred Meyer, owned by Kroger) have more locations.

      Around here, Costco is often the cheapest. And when it's not, I still benefit from the 3% cash back on gas purchased elsewhere (including at Kroger) using the Costco credit card.

      Its kinda hilarious to see somebody locking in their behavior by paying to sell themselves to a store

      I'm not locked in. I buy from Costco when it's worthwhile, and elsewhere when it isn't. If at the end of the year I don't think I've saved enough to justify the cost of membership, Costco will refund it.

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    6. Re:subscription... to a store by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You say you're not locked in, but each sentence you write demonstrates another aspect of lock-in.

      Nobody said that buying these subscriptions forces you to only buy from them; it disadvantages choice.

      Nobody said, "you bought a store membership you're a slave now." That would be silly. You theoretically could still shop somewhere else. That isn't being debated.

      The idea that you're saving money does seem to require a belief that costco has a lower profit margin than their competitors. This isn't true, but they've convinced you that you're "saving" money, by playing games with which charge lands in which basket. You seem to think that being able to return a year-old mattress is a benefit as a consumer. I see that and suspect you paid a lot more than I did, and you probably bought a lower quality mattress than you think. I want a store to have good, reasonable return policies. A short term no-questions policy is great, because it discourages the store from selling crap that isn't what the box implied. A longer term one sounds great to people who don't think it through very far, and so provides sales appeal for the subscription, but has cost and is open to additional abuse that is expected and included in the price. Especially when you're dealing with a large retailer like costco; it might have the same cover fabric, and it might look very similar to the one at the other store; that doesn't mean it is the same product. Savings don't come from the Easter Bunny, either the store accepted a lower profit margin, or the factory reduced the cost to produce the items sold to that store.

      And 3% is a normal cash back for a credit card... from a bank. Getting a credit card from a store just means more people (the store) have access to your purchase history. I would rather have a credit card directly from a bank, because then it is the same company I'm dealing with regardless of what type of problem I have, and they're motivated to give me good service. With a store credit card, they're more motivated to play the blame-game with different baskets; "Oh, that isn't us, that part is between you and the bank that issued the card. There is nothing we can do."

  26. Re: This is what in legal circles is know as extor by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

    That's why, in some states, Costco, Sam's Club, etc, will let members of the public purchase those items without membership.

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  27. Re: This is what in legal circles is know as extor by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    I admit that I didn't read the article, but I don't think drugs and alcohol are things which are offered exclusively to prime members.

    Wait a minute, I can get drugs and alcohol on Amazon with a Prime membership? Now you're talking.

    It's Friday afternoon. You think I could get a 12-pack of Tequiza and an eight-ball of coke delivered by 5pm?

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  28. What? by abuelos84 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Who the fuck buys movies?
    The fuck is wrong with you people?

    Makes me sick.

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    1. Re:What? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Convenience, crappy ISP, larger catalog, lack of rental stores.

      There is a noticeable quality improvement when watching a ripped Blu-Ray (even recompressed) over streaming from Netflix. Unless it's blockbuster kids movie, it won't be at Redbox - the rental stores are all gone. And even Netflix has shrunk its DVD catalog down to little.

      Sure, there's a greater quantity available for streaming at a cheaper price than ever before. But if I want to pick what movies I watch, what is the other choice?

    2. Re:What? by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      Sure, there's a greater quantity available for streaming at a cheaper price than ever before. But if I want to pick what movies I watch, what is the other choice?

      *Cough* The Pirate Bay.

    3. Re:What? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I will not do that. Some people like to support the media industry as a whole regardless of how large they may be. Without money going to the good content, it's going to be nothing but lowest common denominator produced. And there are many smaller artists from whom you can buy entertainment individually.

  29. Not New by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    This isn't new. They've been doing this for other products for a while now.

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  30. Unlike Costco who lets you purchase nothing at all by ravenscar · · Score: 3

    I love the rage here. While not a proponent of this tactic (it seems self defeating), I don't really think it makes Amazon inherently evil. I mean, at least they let you purchase most things. They could be like Costco or Sams club and not let you purchase anything without a membership (and a special credit card should you wish to use that for your purchase).

    I hope all of you that are so up in arms spend as much time being made at warehouse clubs.

  31. Birdman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can keep that movie for prime members, it's fine with me.

    Watching it once on tv was too many times for me.

  32. The appropriate response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Go fuck yourself Amazon". There are plenty of online retailers and this may motivate people to use them instead of a site which thinks so much of its customers it wants to strongarm them into buying a subscription they didn't want or need.

  33. real reason.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    new monthly prime option combined with expanded "prime-exclusive" inventory translates to a $10.99 price increase for those items for many (most) shoppers . most items on the exclusive list have 'free shipping' (standard delivery) already, so don't try to argue that there would be a shipping cost on them. this is going to come back to bite bezos in the ass.

  34. Re: This is what in legal circles is know as extor by jeff.langemeier · · Score: 1

    Only in states where they're doing their Drone Delivery pilot programs.

  35. Common capitalist business cycle by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    This is nothing more then a common capitalist business cycle. When you come in you look good and everyone starts to use you because you're so good. Then when you have attracted a significant amount of business you tweak things so that you are no longer as good. In fact you may become similar to what was there before or slightly worse, but you work it so that enough people cannot go back then you profit.

    When people talk about the greatness of capitalism, they usually only refer to the first phase.

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  36. I don't see the problem here... by Fragnet · · Score: 2

    The more difficult the content is made to access, the more motivated people will be to copy and share it illegally. Fair enough.

  37. Amazon is my 2nd choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to be Amazon for everything, but after their discusting act of throwing out Google and Apple TV streaming products, I let my Prime membership expire and always look for alternatives now when shopping.

    I use them for my initial search. The feeling of then giving someone else my money is awesome.

    Amazon, will all do respect, please consider to go fuck yourself.

  38. Re:Unlike Costco who lets you purchase nothing at by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup. Lots of butthurt here today. LOL

  39. If some guy on some blog said it,... by Simulant · · Score: 1

    ... it must be true.

    Already redacted.

  40. Amazon Won't Sell Non-Prime Numbers by scratchy_king · · Score: 2

    I may have misread the title...

    If it was the case though, not to worry. You could just buy multiple primes to construct your non-primes.

  41. Preventing sales is the key to any good plan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    right. well, Steam will sell it to me. Another reason to check Amazon only after I've checked other places

  42. Wont use Amazon again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This just happened to me. Was trying to buy Star Wars 7 for my brothers' birthday to have shipped to Hawaii. Got told I could not. Rarely use Amazon. Now I will go out of my way NOT to use Amazon. Congrats, Bezos... Will now boycott and steer customers away from Amazon every chance I get. Why is my non-Prime dollar worth less than a Prime dollar?

  43. Anyone else notice that by kungfuj35u5 · · Score: 1

    Amazon won't directly sell internal hard drives anymore? I always seem to have to get them from a third party Amazon storefront, prime or not. Why are they so reluctant to house and store hard drives themselves anymore?

  44. Not $3.99 each, is it? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Is all of "an awful lot" at no additional charge with Prime membership, or is it mostly rentals at $3.99 a piece? The article doesn't link to the original Barclays research with which I could verify the methodology of the count.

  45. Sounds like discrimination.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope they get sued.

  46. Re:shutup turd muncher by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The butthurt is strong with this one. LOL.

  47. Re:shut up childish middle school student dude by theGhostPony · · Score: 0

    Now that's some weak, lame ass shit right there. Wah!

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  48. Amazon wants everyone who visits to pay $10.99 mor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just want to squeeze another $10.99 per month out of their customers. When they feel they have enough dumbins on the hook, they will charge $14.99 per month.

    And as 100% of cable companies have shown, once you reach $15 per month, you quickly go to $30 per month, then $50 per month, eventually $100 per month and if at all possible $150 per month.

    Revolving accounts...you can revolve around my middle finger Amazon. Not going down that slippery slope. As Cartman says, That's it guys, I'm going home.

  49. Re: This is what in legal circles is know as extor by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    sweet! Which state is that where I can buy recreational drugs at Costco, Sam's, etc?

  50. B&H? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I usually get a lot of stuff from B&H. Free shipping... and TAX FREE!

    The cost of paying taxes to Amazon offsets the cost of shipping, being able to order from NY to deliver to CA with no sales tax makes a world of difference.

    I tried Amazon Prime, and at the end of the trial thought "I'll see how much I order from Amazon this year, if I exceed $100 in shipping, will get Prime next year", so far, I have not exceeded $100 dollars in rush orders from Amazon.

    And then, there is the fact that I consider it morally offensive to "give you money, so that I can give you money", hence, no buying in Costco either.

    1. Re:B&H? by nnull · · Score: 1

      B&H and their tax free, free shipping is very alluring versus Amazon. Their delivery times are decent (Not as perfect as Amazon), but pretty darn good. Their prices are also competitive. I'm surprised how much that camera store has outgrown the "camera store" into an actually cool online store.

  51. Re:Unlike Costco who lets you purchase nothing at by Luthair · · Score: 1

    The big difference is that Costco is by no means the dominant player in any market. Amazon has become the dominant player and is now attempting to leverage that position as consumers have fewer options.

  52. So, what competitors to Amazon are there? by KWTm · · Score: 1

    Even then they're not always the lowest-priced vendor. Unless it's something relatively trivial, I do shop around - lots of places either match or beat Amazon's pricing with free shipping.

    This is a perfect time to ask: so, what are alternatives to Amazon.com? I know for music there's SheetMusicPlus.com, and also this Jet.com thing keeps stuffing our home mailbox with junk mail. NewEgg for electronics. And the "Clicks & Mortar" stores Walmart.com, Target.com, etc. (This is on the USA West Coast.) Anything else? Any other experiences? Does Alibaba.com ship overseas?

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  53. Re: This is what in legal circles is know as extor by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    It's not completely clear cut. It might come under tying (you're not allowed to only sell unrelated products together if doing so would distort the market), but it looks as if it is most likely to just make me buy things from someone else. Most Amazon deliveries for me arrive in 1-2 days using the free super-saver delivery option, so paying extra for the same service doesn't sound very attractive. Most DVDs are cheaper on Rakuten (formerly play.com) than Amazon anyway, but if Amazon starts responding to searches telling me that they won't sell things to me then that's a good reason to not even bother searching for things there in the future.

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  54. Prime is Ok, but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a Prime member it's definitely less attractive than it once was. I notice many items are simply not that competitive in price and I suspect Amazon raises prices some to cover shipping costs. Amazon Music streaming is also just OK as it has never risen to what I call a broad choice of artists. Amazon annoys me with this steering effect of trying to take actions to get people to do what they want. Such as eliminating certain items that compete with Amazon devices, or as with this sell certain products only to Prime members. It's sounding to much like an exclusive club rather than a discount membership like a Cosco or Sam's Club only online.
     

  55. I don't do Prime subscription... by antdude · · Score: 1

    ... Since I rarely buy from Amazon to use subscriptions. Same for Netflix and many others. I only get subscriptions if I use the services a lot.

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  56. Not just video games, Blu Rays, and DVDs by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

    I have seen hard drives, keyboards, and soaps marked "Exclusively for Prime Members". They can do it for ANY type of item.