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Google, Fiat Chrysler Plan Partnership On Self-Driving Minivans (androidheadlines.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Google and Fiat Chrysler were in "late stage talks" last week about working out a partnership where the two could build some self-driving cars together. Google has the tech available -- it just needs to partner with a car manufacturer, as Google hasn't mass-produced a car before, and could use the experience. A report coming out of Bloomberg says the two companies could be putting Google's autonomous driving technology into some prototypes of the upcoming Pacifica minivan. The report says Fiat Chrysler is looking to equip their upcoming plug-in hybrid Pacifica with Google's autonomous technology. Google could still work out a deal with Ford, which was rumored a few months ago, and they have been reportedly in talks with General Motors, but the deal with Chrysler could be signed as soon as today.

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  1. Cruz's father assasinated Kennedy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lyin' ted is a traitor.

    1. Re:Cruz's father assasinated Kennedy by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 0

      Lyin' ted is a traitor.

      Who cares? Lyin' Ted just lost the Indiana primary, so the race is all but over, and Trump will be the Republican nominee. Maybe Donald can ride a self-driving minivan to his inauguration.

    2. Re:Cruz's father assasinated Kennedy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cruz is the Zodiac Killer.

    3. Re:Cruz's father assasinated Kennedy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be honest, Trump already said it two months ago (right before letting the rally attendees make a pledge to vote for him) that if he wins Florida, "it's over": https://youtu.be/zRw1TS7kX2s?t...

    4. Re:Cruz's father assasinated Kennedy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump is the unabomber!

    5. Re:Cruz's father assasinated Kennedy by alvinrod · · Score: 0

      More than that I just saw that he dropped out of the race altogether.

    6. Re: Cruz's father assasinated Kennedy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tunabomber

  2. The minivan makes sense actually by TWX · · Score: 1

    Minivans are probably the vehicle most likely to have more than a single occupant, and for those additional occupants to be attention-grabbing children. It's also a very good platform for long-distance driving, such that the combination of the two means that the adult, freed from the necessity of driving, could spend more time engaging with the kids, sightseeing, and otherwise doing things that the form-factor of the platform allows while the vehicle drives itself.

    Minivans are essentially the most utility-driven vehicle that normal consumers buy, in the sense that they're the most versatile for the largest set of tasks. Hauling people. Hauling cargo. Hauling a combination. Driving long distances. Sports cars and four wheel drive trucks and SUVs are about the worst candidates if the owners use them to their design-intentions, sports cars are supposed to be fun to drive, and 4x4s probably won't have any kind of autonomous mode that would work off-pavement.

    I could see a road-trip in a self-driving minivan being a comfortable thing, especially if they get the design of the interior such that it allows the "driver" to turn around and participate with the passengers.

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    1. Re:The minivan makes sense actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I don't know WTF you're talking about.

      I don't want **ANY** children in my car, ever, and I'd prefer it be a two-seater convertable.

      As a matter of fact, I don't want children even touching my car, or quite frankly, any of my possessions, ever.

    2. Re:The minivan makes sense actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, you *should* thank me. I'm not contributing to the overpopulation problem by popping out even more children because society or religious norms say I should.

      When there's children piling up in the inventories of Russian and Cambodian orphanages, making even *more* children is a very selfish, wasteful act.

    3. Re:The minivan makes sense actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Russians haven't been having children for a while now.

    4. Re:The minivan makes sense actually by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      ISTR that both Apple and Google have floated sketches of minivan concepts, and that at least one of them has envisioned a completely flat floor and front seats that swivel around to face the rear just as you describe. The problem is, even people who don't currently have a problem with carsickness will feel urpy in that situation, but they're going to have to do it anyway and they're really going to have to make it standard equipment, which means $$$.

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  3. Why do we need self-driving cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why do we need self-driving cars? If anything, we should be wanting simpler cars that are controlled less by computers. If the scandals at companies like VW and GM haven't convinced us that auto manufacturers won't make sure cars are safe, I don't know what will. We'll have less control of self-driving cars, which will probably be even more dangerous.

    I expect this post will be buried at -1 because nobody wants to answer tough questions like this. I don't expect serious answers, only downmods and personal attacks labeling this as flamebait or a troll. I hope someone can give me a good answer but I seriously doubt it.

    1. Re:Why do we need self-driving cars? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      The technology industry has always been spectacular at coming up with solutions in search of problems.

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    2. Re:Why do we need self-driving cars? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      We'll have less control of self-driving cars, which will probably be even more dangerous.

      Self driving cars have already driven millions of miles on public roads, and have a proven track record far better than human drivers.

    3. Re:Why do we need self-driving cars? by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Why do we need self-driving cars?

      Tens of thousands of people die just in the US each year in cars, and millions are injured...

      That's why, because it will reduce those numbers by a lot...

    4. Re:Why do we need self-driving cars? by wbr1 · · Score: 1
      It is a game of numbers. If self driving cars on-average cause fewer deaths and injuries per passenger mile, then it is a net win. One this is proven, adoption will happen quickly.

      The interesting things are what happen at the technologies nascence, IE now, and when it is mature and has a market. Once there is large scale market adoption is when you will see scandals, cutting corners and regulatory capture to hide these actions.

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    5. Re:Why do we need self-driving cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we really need is self-flying helicopters.

    6. Re:Why do we need self-driving cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I expect this post will be buried at -1 because nobody wants to answer tough questions like this.

      Saying this isn't some sort of magic talisman you know.

    7. Re:Why do we need self-driving cars? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Yes. Under extremely carefully controlled circumstances.

    8. Re:Why do we need self-driving cars? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Because self driving cars will be more predictable and more easily controlled, hence allowing a greater density of traffic to travel on the same infrastructure. An individual trip may be slower but the total network will be significantly better.

    9. Re:Why do we need self-driving cars? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Self-driving cars are now at the drivers-ed level, then?

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    10. Re: Why do we need self-driving cars? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      That is true. Today. But in less than 2 years time, that is not expected to be the case.

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    11. Re: Why do we need self-driving cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had I not replied elsewhere, I would have modded you down just for being a prick.

    12. Re:Why do we need self-driving cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I expect this post will be buried at -1 because nobody wants to answer tough questions like this. I don't expect serious answers, only downmods and personal attacks labeling this as flamebait or a troll.

      Mod martyrs say things like this because they know they deserve the downmods they're trying to deflect.

    13. Re:Why do we need self-driving cars? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Why do we need self-driving cars?

      Duh

      If anything, we should be wanting simpler cars that are controlled less by computers.

      Wrong

      If the scandals at companies like VW and GM haven't convinced us that auto manufacturers won't make sure cars are safe,

      We should just throw up our hands and say it can't be done? P.S. You forgot Toyota, which is way more applicable. Are you new?

      We'll have less control of self-driving cars,

      While they're driving themselves? Yes, that's the point. You get a GOLD STAR

      which will probably be even more dangerous.

      [citation needed]

      I expect this post will be buried at -1

      Which it deserves, but I came to take a gander anyway

      I don't expect serious answers,

      Too bad, you got them anyway

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    14. Re: Why do we need self-driving cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When self driving cars are the norm, their reaction time and accident avoidance will be so far superior that even the best manual driver will be considered to have "impaired" functions in comparison. The injury and death rates from vehicle accidents is expected to drastically drop. That alone is worth it.

  4. Google has the tech? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Why do these articles keep indicating that Google has the tech? They were just driving into a bus at 2mph a month ago and all of a sudden they have eliminated every one of those problems from happening? How much testing have they done on snowed in and icy roads? Google may be in the beginning phases of working on the tech but they are nowhere near to 'having' the tech from what I can see.

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    1. Re:Google has the tech? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      How much testing have they done on snowed in and icy roads?

      My wife has a Tesla, and before a big snowstorm last winter, she received an email from Tesla recommending that she use Autopilot during the storm, because it would navigate more reliably than a human on snow covered roads, and handle icy surfaces more safely.

    2. Re:Google has the tech? by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      Wow, an email? Really? Well that settles it then! It must be true!

    3. Re:Google has the tech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the very least, it shows that Tesla has enough confidence in their product that they're willing to risk the liability by recommending the use of their technology in a dangerous situation, in a way that leaves a very obvious paper trail. This, in turn, suggests they probably have some pretty strong data to be that confident with so much at stake.

    4. Re:Google has the tech? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      What liability are they risking? If your wife is injured in an Autopilot related accident, what penalty will Tesla be made to bear? Sounds like a weak attempt at publicity to me.

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    5. Re:Google has the tech? by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      What liability are they risking? If your wife is injured in an Autopilot related accident, what penalty will Tesla be made to bear?

      This being America, the penalty will be whatever amount of money the plaintiff's lawyers can convince the jury to award. And, of course, a blizzard of bad publicity and the accompanying drop in sales -- there's nothing the press likes to more than to see a high flying company brought low.

      Sounds like a weak attempt at publicity to me.

      Sounds like they are pretty confident to me. Otherwise they'd be more cautious.

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    6. Re:Google has the tech? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      From what I read, Tesla Autopilot needs clear lane lines to even be engaged, so we are not talking about the same thing here. Where I live, if you can see the lane markings it hasn't really snowed yet.

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    7. Re: Google has the tech? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Depends on where she was at. If she is driving same road that plenty of Tesla's have done, then yeah. Btw, what did she get? Ours is 2013 MS.

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    8. Re: Google has the tech? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Nope. Tesla uses sight if first time over. Otherwise, it is using GPS.

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    9. Re: Google has the tech? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      And yet, many 10s of 1000s of ppl use it daily with no issues, including in snow and heavy rain.

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    10. Re:Google has the tech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What liability are they risking? If your wife is injured in an Autopilot related accident, what penalty will Tesla be made to bear? Sounds like a weak attempt at publicity to me.

      Here's what they're risking:

      1. Tesla becomes aware that a big snowstorm is about to happen in your area.
      2. Tesla makes a deliberate effort to reach out to you and recommend that you use its autopilot technology instead of driving manually.
      3. You use Tesla's autopilot in the snowstorm, it fails to handle the conditions and you get in a collision with multiple fatalities.
      4. Tesla now faces a very serious liability claim from any survivors and/or families of the deceased. Any of the typical not-our-problem-if-it-doesn't-work boilerplate buried in the EULA is not likely to hold up in light of the fact that Tesla went out of their way to say "Hey, you'll be safer using our autopilot instead of your dumb meat brain!". Even if they win in court, their reputation will take a massive - and at their stage of development, possibly fatal - hit.

    11. Re: Google has the tech? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      But the point is, the Tesla system works only in certain conditions and turns on if those conditions are met. So that is how they can be confident about it, because if conditions are not right for it then it won't work. This is in direct opposition to the way real automation works, which is to have the vehicle unmanned or at least without a steering wheel and works at all times in all weather without issue. Tesla's solution sounds like a bit of a gimmick to me. It's basically cruise control but for steering.

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    12. Re: Google has the tech? by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is NOT Tesla's automation solution. THis is Tesla's solution on how to map all of the roads using a level 2 automation while getting data for a level 4 automation.
      Personally, I think that it is a good solution to obtain data for the next couple of years.

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  5. Fix It Again, Tony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fiat Chrysler Dodge etc. have terrible reliability issues

    They were jokes before they merged and they are still jokes now

    why would anyone buy that crap?

  6. Re:And what these morons will never understand.. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    Is that no one wants to be self driven. 99% of people want to drive themselves.

    Except for people with disabilities, or old people with slow reflexes, or people that would rather sleep, or read, or text, or browse, or sightsee.

  7. Re:And what these morons will never understand.. by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

    Is that no one wants to be self driven. 99% of people want to drive themselves.

    Actually, you're projecting... I suspect the majority of people will love self-driving cars...

    YOU might not, and that's ok, but I want one...

  8. Re:And what these morons will never understand.. by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    In the future I suspect that some people will still drive manually for pleasure, but most people will let the vehicle do it otherwise. Driving in long commutes is anything but enjoyable and I can't think of anyone who would subject themselves to that particular form of hell if it was no longer necessary. Hell, I would even work on my way to work if it meant that I could leave work sooner. There's plenty of things that can be done on the way to the office that don't require being there physically.

  9. Re:And what these morons will never understand.. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

    Yeah right. I say this as someone who rides performance motorcycles for fun and hence understand the enjoyment of driving. If I could get in a car every day and have it drive me to work while I was free to do work you couldn't sign me up fast enough.

  10. Have sex in them! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats what me and my man will be doing.

  11. Re:And what these morons will never understand.. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    In the future I suspect that some people will still drive manually for pleasure,

    That's fine, as long as they don't do it on a public road where they may endanger other people.

  12. I, for one, welcome or new SoccerMomBot overlords! by tlambert · · Score: 1

    I, for one, welcome or new SoccerMomBot overlords!

    Just in time for Mother's Day!

  13. Surveillance tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeh and their balloons fall out of the sky, nothings perfect.

    IMHO I won't touch any Google car because it will be riddled with surveillance ware. Fiat is really the maker of last choice for Google, because nobody else wants to work with them when they want live invasive surveillance of the cars occupants.

    1. Re: Surveillance tech by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      You work for Microsoft. Huh?

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  14. Re:And what these morons will never understand.. by Jeremi · · Score: 1

    That's fine, as long as they don't do it on a public road where they may endanger other people.

    You can wish for that all you like, but it's not going to happen in our lifetime. If you think convincing the American public to hand over its firearms would be politically difficult, that's nothing compared to trying to get them to hand over their beloved automobiles.

    And in the end it won't matter anyway, since the only people who will ultimately be endangered by lousy manual drivers are the other manual drivers. The autonomous cars will be perfectly capable of avoiding (and, most likely, automatically reporting to the police) even the worst human driver. Driving is much easier when you can make 1000+ tactical decisions a second; it's less like an arcade game and more like playing a rather dull form of chess.

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  15. Even better, kid-only transport by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The most awesome potential for a self deriving minivan is something few see coming - the ability to transport kids to activities with NO ADULT PRESENT.

    Why would there need to be? The parents of every child riding in the Road Pod could monitor the interior remotely and issue stern commands over speakers as required.

    This would give parents a lot more choice about attending activities - they would not have to show up hours early for a pre-game warmup or practice, they could just show up to enjoy the game and at the same time let the kids have a little space for enjoying each other at full volume.

    It could give a lot of kids some vital independence from adults they really need in these days of helicopter parenting.

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    1. Re:Even better, kid-only transport by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most awesome potential for a self deriving minivan is something few see coming - the ability to transport kids to activities with NO ADULT PRESENT.

      Why would there need to be?

      Maybe child endangerment laws? Neglect laws? Dare I say underage driving when one of the kids figures out how to command the vehicle?

    2. Re:Even better, kid-only transport by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Dare I say underage driving when one of the kids figures out how to command the vehicle?

      Depends on what you mean by "Command."

      If the command is, "Hey, car, take out that pedestrian over there," then yes. On the other hand, "Hey, car, stop for ice cream!" means that the car will safely stop at the next ice cream shop and let the kids out. Maybe Mom and Dad won't approve, but it's hardly a danger to the rest of us out there.

      Maybe child endangerment laws? Neglect laws?

      This one I could actually see. Not that I'd agree with it, but I could see it happening...

    3. Re:Even better, kid-only transport by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "The most awesome potential for a self deriving minivan is something few see coming - the ability to transport kids to activities with NO ADULT PRESENT."

      Nice, you just invented the soccer-bot.

  16. Unexpected development for me by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    I did not expect that. I expected that Google Car will always be a conceptual challenge to traditional manufacterers, who will have to work in this direction and gradually increase automation year by year, while Google Car never having a chance to become a real car manufacturer.

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    1. Re:Unexpected development for me by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I expected that Google Car will always be a conceptual challenge to traditional manufacterers, who will have to work in this direction and gradually increase automation year by year, while Google Car never having a chance to become a real car manufacturer.

      Tesla proves that you can get into the market from scratch even today if you have a compelling product and can deliver it. The car companies are worried that Google is going to deliver it before Delphi or Bosch manages it, let alone before they figure it out in-house, and with good reason; They may not be there yet, but they really are further along than anyone else. No doubt they're also worried that they'll find Google partnered with Tesla and Uber and bypassing them completely in managing to squeeze whatever profit there is to be had out of the millennial market. The buzz is that a lot of that is going to be in ride-sharing, for a variety of reasons, most of which should be obvious. Millennials are less personally invested in automobiles, not least because of the magnitude of that kind of investment in this economy. The only thing potentially more compelling than the younger masses of asses than a Google-Tesla car would be an Apple-Tesla car, but presumably both Cook and Musk want to rule the world...

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  17. Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then they can self-drive to the dealership everytime something breaks down.

  18. Re:And what these morons will never understand.. by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

    In the future I suspect that some people will still drive manually for pleasure,

    That's fine, as long as they don't do it on a public road where they may endanger other people.

    The whole "self-driving car" fad resembles the 3D-printer fad in more ways than one ("Everyone Will Have One!", "It will revolutionise $FOO"). And, much like the 3D printer fad, will dissipate into a few novelties on the road that will still need human drivers, but not much else.

    Self-piloting aircraft is a much much much much easier problem to solve, and yet we still put meatbags into the pilot's seat. Once self-piloting aircraft is solved, then *maybe* (not certainly, but maybe) the problems with self-driving cars will be solved.

    Self-driving cars that can drive on current roads will be a solved problem once we figure out strong AI.

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  19. Marchionne has been seeking partners by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    Sergio Marchionne, CEO of FCA, has been running around telling anyone who would listen that the auto company is going to need more partnerships in design and production. The rest of the industry has been saying "no, no we don't" and laughing at them for being failures. Well, I doubt they're laughing now. The auto industry has been alternately concerned and intrigued about the idea of partnering with Apple or Google on a self-driving car, because getting them involved will create some disruption in the market and the auto companies have had a good thing going here selling us minorly-revised crap for a long time.

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    1. Re:Marchionne has been seeking partners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...]and the auto companies have had a good thing going here selling us minorly-revised crap for a long time.

      So, you are suggesting a partnership with Microsoft?

  20. "Who would be so desperate to partner with us?" by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    "Be of good cheer; I give you: Fiat-Chrysler."

  21. Is Google quality control good enough? by arpsicle · · Score: 1

    A bit worried - I think we've all experienced bugs with Google: Google Maps trying to take us down an unnavigable route or do a U turn on a motorway, or Android crashing unpredictably. I think it's sensible to expect a Google self driving car to do the same thing, unless Google dramatically ups their game in terms of quality control.

    1. Re:Is Google quality control good enough? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I think it's sensible to expect a Google self driving car to do the same thing,

      Who are you, and why should anyone care what you think about self-driving cars when you don't even know that google cars don't use google maps for navigation guidance?

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  22. Too bad they are doing this wrong by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    If they were to go to Tesla to get frame and drive train, along with help on building factory, Google would cause a major fear in auto industry. That would spead up conversion to EVs. Now, auto industry might take their time.

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  23. Re: And what these morons will never understand.. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Yeah, everybody really wants to drive themselves 100% of the time. That is why Tesla's autopilot is used more often than 50% of time, for the cars equipped with such.

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  24. Re: And what these morons will never understand.. by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Don't forget drunk, stoned, or wanting to read, talk, or simply relax on way to work or back.

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  25. A real time -saving device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With Fiat as a partner, the vehicle will simplify owners lives by taking itself to the service shop on a weekly basis.

  26. Good choice by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

    A self-driving minivan maximizes the opportunity for sex in moving cars. I predict brisk sales.

  27. Incorrect by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Maybe child endangerment laws?

    Once you take that to court and prove it's safer inside the self-driving car than out, you will not be able to prosecute for child endangerment. Lawsuits are simply part of the business model, as with Uber.

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