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Uganda, Where a Book Can Cost a Month's Salary (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader shared with us a BBC report on Uganda, where books are unbelievably expensive to afford. The publication reports that it almost feels like a black market for people looking to purchase a book in the landlocked country in East Africa. A book Nothing Left To Steal by South African journalist Mzilikazi wa Afrika (less than $15 on Amazon.com), for instance, is selling in the country for 140,000 Ugandan shillings ($42). This might sound reasonable to most of us, but for a country with a poor economy, BBC reports, this amount can "buy a week's worth of groceries for a family." People, in fact, look for friends going on a foreign trip to help them buy books. Many books are simply not available to them, and the ones that are, they are too expensive in Kampala, the capital of Uganda. From the report: I did splurge once on a book by Guinea's revolutionary leader Ahmed Sekou Toure. It set me back $60 -- the pan-Africanist in me got the better of me that day. Waitresses in downtown Kampala barely earn $60 in a month.One of the encouraging things mentioned in the report is a growing desire among people to read books and wanting to share it with their friends and families despite the struggle. Someone named Rosey Sembatya has started the Malaika Children's Mobile Library. "My sister has four children now and I've been finding it very difficult to buy them books because they're quite expensive," she told BBC. The library is in the spare room of a two-bedroom house she rents. For a $30 annual fee, each child can borrow three books a week. It's an incredible read, and we urge you to read it in its entirety.

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  1. Ugandans should set up wish lists by Cruciform · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know if Amazon still does it this way, but a long while back you could choose to randomly fill in items on someone else's wishlist.

    Some kid in the Canary Islands had a list of books they wanted for Xmas, so I completed their list for them and Amazon shipped it without any details other than country of the recipient and basic profile info.

    Being able to buy a book for someone who can't afford it is rewarding. And I bet they'd appreciate being able to create small neighborhood libraries of the gifts :)

    1. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by Incadenza · · Score: 4, Informative

      That would work if Uganda's postal service was reliable. Unfortunately it is not. When I was there in 2014 I tried to find a post office to be able to send some cards home. Nobody even knew where it was, the basic reply was “Why would you use the postal service when you can use the Internet?”.

    2. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      That and if books are that valuable, many would never reach their intended recipients. I suppose you'd still get more books into the country though.

    3. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The postal system is unreliable, but please don't exaggerate; everyone knows where the main Post Office building is in downtown Kampala. Clocktower Post Office is also very well known as a navigational landmark (though, confusingly, there were many clocktowers by the time you got here in 2014 thanks to Warid/Airtel).

    4. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by Spazmania · · Score: 2

      Ugandan commerce has a -severe- shrinkage problem.

      Shrinkage is the difference between the number of items entering the supply chain and the number of items sold at retail. It's the total count of items lost, broken or stolen before they can be sold.

      The $42 price reflects the two copies that vanish before the third reaches a paying customer. A -severe- shrinkage problem.

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    5. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by Immerman · · Score: 1

      And obviously the capital is the only place that exists in Uganda...

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    6. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Paperbacks are $6-15 in the US.

    7. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Except in the used market where you can find boxes full for $1/box. Libraries give old ones away for free.

    8. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by icebike · · Score: 1

      Look, every small town in the US has a Friends of the Library that collects and recycles used book. We could relieve them of their unsold inventory, load them into C5 Cargo planes and air drop them into every little village. When the book sellers complain, back a dump truck up and bury them in free books to sell.

      The price would drop. Our land fills would thank us.

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    9. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same is true in most major towns. And if he was asking that question in a remote village, it's not fair to project the response on the entire country by way of generalization.

    10. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by GbrDead · · Score: 1

      This means that people in Uganda do have access to cheap books. Just not honest people...

    11. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. They steal a bunch of packages hoping for valuables. The books end up in the garbage.

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    12. Re:Ugandans should set up wish lists by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Jesus, paperbacks are basically trash in the US.

      This may come as a shock to you, but ... baring in mind this is a story about a COUNTRY (you might need to check a dictionary for what that means) which is NOT part of the USA (doubt that will e in your dictionary, but it's a real concept). And, astonishing as it may seem, things are different there.

      Do you have any gay friends, relatives, siblings or lovers? If they went to Uganda, they'd be criminals, simply for being gay. And that is the law of the country, backed by their constitution. Challenging it (as in saying "WTF?") is likely to earn you jail time, or at least a beating-into unconsciousness by the police.

      Obviously the USA police are learning from the Ugandan police.

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  2. Join this book scanner project by mspohr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hackaday.io has a project to develop an automatic book scanner for Ethiopia. Uganda could use this to make books easily available.

    https://hackaday.io/project/10...

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    1. Re:Join this book scanner project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      slight issue with copyrights

    2. Re:Join this book scanner project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure publishers are simply salivating at the extremely unlikely possibility of getting a dollar or two a month from these Ugandans.

    3. Re:Join this book scanner project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that is exactly why they are salivating.

    4. Re:Join this book scanner project by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Uganda could use this to make books easily available.

      "easily" meaning "easily if you have internet access with a screen large enough to read on, and electricity to power that screen" ?

      All of which are rare, expensive commodities in Africa in general. True, East Africa has better access to the internet than much of Africa since they landed a major pipe in 2010. But that is still several times average monthly salaries, actual ACCESS to the internet is still an expensive thing.

      Don't believe me? Try setting up a satellite dish out in the bush with an un-secured WiFi hotspot on it. See how long it takes your bandwidth to be used up. And that is a dozen kilometres from any village of a thousand people people or more.

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    5. Re: Join this book scanner project by mspohr · · Score: 1

      You don't need Internet for digital books. Good old sneakernet works well especially for schools.
      Also, electricity and computers are not as rare as you imagine.

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    6. Re: Join this book scanner project by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      [SHRUG] Quick question : how many months have you spent in rural East Africa?

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    7. Re: Join this book scanner project by mspohr · · Score: 1

      About 10 months over the past 15 years. Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda,Rwanda... Implementing health information systems so some experience with the field.

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    8. Re: Join this book scanner project by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      And about the same period here, on several geological projects.

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  3. Ship Your Extra Books to Places Like Uganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin, we collected the extra textbooks the faculty received for review, etc. After a year of collecting, we had several hundred across many areas of computer science and statistics.

    Each year, schools in countries like Uganda would be suggested and we shipped the books to the computer science department.

    Additionally, many groups (ACM, IEEE, Elsvier, etc.) offer deep discounts to the libraries and sometimes individual in countries with a situation similar to Uganda.

    1. Re:Ship Your Extra Books to Places Like Uganda by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      I think programs like this are great, and we should encourage charity for these folks, but I've always been worried that the food/books/money/etc that is sent never makes it to the people that need it the most. How do we know that this stuff is actually making it to the schools, and not being used to line the pockets of a warlord or politician who receives the books and then just sells them?

      Please keep in mind that I'm not trying to single out Africa....this could very well be true of any charity on the other side of the world, where you don't have direct contact with the people there.

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    2. Re:Ship Your Extra Books to Places Like Uganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The spirit is there, but I doubt those books suit the needs of a typical Ugandan. First, is English taught and understood there? Secondly, what are the main drivers of the economy, and what inspires them? I don't know either; but it might make more sense to extract whatever dollar value you can from those books (or tax write-offs) and use that to fund purchases that would make sense for the target audience. Then of course there's the trouble of actually getting them into the proper hands instead of corrupt officials or something. There must be "boots on the ground" there who have better answers.

    3. Re:Ship Your Extra Books to Places Like Uganda by Incadenza · · Score: 1

      I think programs like this are great, and we should encourage charity for these folks, but I've always been worried that the food/books/money/etc that is sent never makes it to the people that need it the most. How do we know that this stuff is actually making it to the schools, and not being used to line the pockets of a warlord or politician who receives the books and then just sells them?

      That is quite simple. Find a local reliable partner (there are lot of middle class Ugandans that set up projects for the less well to do), and make sure their books are checked regularly by a reliable third party. Basically, the same way subsidies work in the Western world.

    4. Re:Ship Your Extra Books to Places Like Uganda by Incadenza · · Score: 2

      First, is English taught and understood there?

      Ever heard of this site called Wikipedia?

  4. Why are books so expensive there anyways? by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Article didn't really say... just said that they are.

    1. Re:Why are books so expensive there anyways? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The state's vested interest. *Ignorance is strength*.

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    2. Re:Why are books so expensive there anyways? by rasmusbr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a safe bet that it is due to low demand. You need a lot of readers who read a lot of books in order to get economies of scale in a book import and distribution business.

      It probably doesn't help that Uganda is a landlocked country with poor freight infrastructure. Imagine how expensive books would be in rural inland USA if there were no highways, railways or airports.

    3. Re:Why are books so expensive there anyways? by magarity · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I was wondering. They appear to be victims of circular logic; note the quote from the publishing company's marketing droid re: after spending years in school with textbooks [learning to read], no one wants to read.
      Publishing companies rack up massive profits on textbooks students are required to purchase, not so much on other books. If the owners of that publishing company have good connections then likely they keep out competition and don't have much interest in low profitability products.

    4. Re:Why are books so expensive there anyways? by youngone · · Score: 1
      Most of the pictures in the article showed Ugandan kids reading English language books, so I'd say English is spoken.

      There's no indication in the article why books cost so much though. Government policy? Retail monopoly?

      It's not actually terribly informative.

    5. Re:Why are books so expensive there anyways? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I'm imagining how expensive food would be in dense urban areas of the USA if there were no highways, railways or airports.

    6. Re:Why are books so expensive there anyways? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      It's a safe bet that it is due to low demand. You need a lot of readers who read a lot of books in order to get economies of scale in a book import and distribution business.

      It probably doesn't help that Uganda is a landlocked country with poor freight infrastructure. Imagine how expensive books would be in rural inland USA if there were no highways, railways or airports.

      No you don't.

      Libraries around the world are "donating" books to charities. Books that are not checked-out often—That is a poor metric. I have been to book fairs and bought "$3 grocery bag of random books", and been happily surprised to discover works that I'd never been aware of.

      Cost is only the flight of a cargo airplane full of these otherwise soon-to-be-incinerated books. Library bindings. Just fly a full payload of discarded books in. The people desperate to read anything will discover the gems among the chaff.

  5. Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do they call a big mac in Uganda?

    1. Re:Big Mac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A buffet with cheese.

    2. Re:Big Mac by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      An Idi Amin.

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  6. eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is selling in the country for 140,000 Ugandan shillings ($42). This might sound reasonable to most of us

    What on earth? If your country happened to have a strong exchange rate against the US $ then the $15 on Amazon could be considered reasonable, but $42 is insane. I'm not surprised by the situation - things are often double or triple the normal price if you're poor, but is a very odd comment to make.

    1. Re:eh? by magarity · · Score: 1

      The true unreasonable part is the past inflation that made their base unit of currency need so many to buy a book, even at such a high price relative to US prices. 140K to buy a book means probably even 100 doesn't buy anything.

    2. Re:eh? by Lotana · · Score: 1

      $42 AU for a book is a bargain in Australia (Doubly so if it is a recent edition of an IT reference variety). There is a huge markup on books over here despite our dollar being relatively close to the US (1 US -> 72 cents AU).

    3. Re:eh? by youngone · · Score: 1

      Same here in New Zealand, so when we buy our books from Amazon and similar, cue the whining from the local booksellers about unfair competition.

    4. Re:eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. IT reference books and especially university literature might set me back $200 in Sweden.

  7. Betterworldbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you don't mind used books buy from Betterworldbooks.com. They are partnered with initiatives that promote literacy and donate lots of books.

    http://www.betterworldbooks.com/info.aspx?f=partners

    1. Re:Betterworldbooks by myid · · Score: 1

      Another option is an organization that lets you sponsor an overseas child. The organization might have an option for you to donate to a community project, such as stocking a library.

  8. English is an official language of Uganda by Trachman · · Score: 1

    Just because the book is priced at $42 it does not mean that there is a demand for that book. Most likely Uganda will completely skip brick and mortar phase within enlightenment phase, called libraries.

    English is an official language, together with the suahili language. Those who are inclined to learn, need to find a way to use internet. Once you find an internet, you have pretty much unlimited access to knowledge.

    1. Re:English is an official language of Uganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People do not commonly speak Swahili in Uganda. It is considered a dirty language which reminds people of the Idi Amin era.

    2. Re:English is an official language of Uganda by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Just because the book is priced at $42 it does not mean that there is a demand for that book.

      I don't even see where that's "cheap" - if it's $15 in the US, then that's a reasonable price. I certainly may buy it at $15, but I certainly won't at $42. Hell, I generally have to sit on books that cost over $10 for a little while. Yes, I can afford it, but if it's expensive I either budget it or I see if I really want it.

      So if I find a $42 book too expensive, why would a poorer Ugandan find it cheaper?

  9. Books are expensive for the poor in the US also by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 0

    Books are expensive for the poor in the US also.

    The maximum food stamp allotment for a single, non-disabled, non-elderly person in the US is $155 per month according to:

    http://www.nlsa.us/resources/benefits/pb9_fs_calc_nonelderly.html

    So here's a nice Calculus textbook sold on Amazon:

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/0321954351/

    The price? $256 new, or $120 used in "good" condition. Or you can rent it for the semester for the low price of $40.

    Those poor folks should just get themselves an education. Right folks? Eh?

    1. Re:Books are expensive for the poor in the US also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's for textbooks currently being used in a college classroom. The price is so high because students are required to buy it. Textbooks more than 4 or 5 years old even if nothing substantial has changed in the newer version are usually >$30 or even free if you catch them when they're being thrown out. Getting a current college textbook is outrageous, getting a book to learn something is very cheap in the US.

    2. Re:Books are expensive for the poor in the US also by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      Maybe open books are the way to go. Here's a book for $13/semester (3 semester course; $50). Buy the used ones off Amazon, and you can be down to single digits.

      It kind of goes with the post above about the book scanners; open books and internet and whatnot is great, but not everyone has access to a screen for reading for hours on end, and sometimes screens just suck for reading.

      One thing I've noticed in some of my research on textbooks is that it seems a lot of the cost goes into publishing with shiny, thick, colorful pages. My Shigley's from the '80's very closely matches in content with my Shigley's from 2014. Verbatim, including images/figures. The major change? Physical size, some updates on a few newer methods/materials, and color and gloss and a fancy cover!!1!!1 Oh, and new copyright.

    3. Re:Books are expensive for the poor in the US also by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      The ones that I particularly hate are the books that are written by the prof who teaches the class....the prices for those border on extortion.

      The best classes I've taken are the ones that didn't require a book ;-)

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    4. Re:Books are expensive for the poor in the US also by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can read the classics for free via Gutenberg.org. But you can't easily follow along with your {calculus,physics,chemistry,pde, ...} class without a copy of the current textbook.

      Yes, you can learn a lot without spending a dime but you'll have a much harder time finding a comparable job or getting into a good grad school without a college diploma.

      Yes, I've seen many copies of "50 Shades of Grey" lying in the trash, free for the taking. But not everybody wants to read crap.

    5. Re:Books are expensive for the poor in the US also by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      I had a prof that used his textbook in class. He gave each student a free copy. Years later I, and a number of classmates, repaid the favor with a nice donation to the department to fund scholarships and pay forward.

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    6. Re:Books are expensive for the poor in the US also by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Used copies of that book are potentially tainted with bodily fluids. Nobody wants to even touch a used copy.

    7. Re:Books are expensive for the poor in the US also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But you can't easily follow along with your {calculus,physics,chemistry,pde, ...} class without a copy of the current textbook.

      First off, if you can't afford the textbook, how can you afford the class? There are a lot of scholarships and grants that include covering the books and materials needed, so if you're poor enough or otherwise qualify for assistance for even attending, the books will likely be included.

      Of course that isn't universal, but simply asking the prof goes a long ways, even when some dept. BS insists on using new books. Both as a student and as an instructor, I've made guides that convert older editions to newer ones (many just swap problem numbers around without changing any details). Other than the problems, which you can also just photocopy at the library, not much changes in the textbooks that are updated as a money grubbing scheme, and you can follow along just fine.

      Using older editions of books didn't stop me from getting into the grad school I wanted...

  10. As if 15 USD is affordable on 1 USD per day by MastaBaba · · Score: 1

    It's common for Ugandan day labourers to earn the equivalent of about 1 USD per day. At those salary levels, even 15 USD for something as exotic as a book, will never be considered.

  11. Compared to college text books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't seem that bad when you consider the cost of college text books. With the average college student surviving off ramen and pizza, a text book could be the equivalent to an entire semester's "groceries"

  12. Why is there such a price difference? by mi · · Score: 2

    less than $15 on Amazon.com, for instance, is selling in the country for 140,000 Ugandan shillings ($42)

    Why is there such a price difference? And why has not a cunny capitalist set up a book (re)selling shop — ordering on Amazon for $15 and selling locally for $16?

    Ok, maybe $1 is too optimistic, but $27 seems too much for a free country. And if it is not free, then they have a much bigger problem, than book-prices...

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    1. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Because you haven't priced in the security issues in Uganda. Once you throw in the high crime rates, the high corruption rates, the terrorist attacks, the porous borders along DRC and Sudan and finally a literacy rate of around 60% you start to see why there is such a markup on physically bringing books, or any other physical product, into the country.

    2. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by mi · · Score: 1

      Once you throw in the high crime rates, the high corruption rates, the terrorist attacks, the porous borders...

      Several people have already mentioned shipping container-fulls of books to Uganda as charity — so shipping must be working...

      And so does retail, because — according to the write-up — food remains affordable. Unless someone powerful considers most books to be "haram", I don't think those problems you describe explain such a giant mark-up for literature in particular...

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    3. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      It is because books are a luxury item in poor countries. Median monthly salary for Uganda is about US$90, so at US$15 that makes up a massive % of their salary. The US median salary is $4300 per month, so if you were to price them equally you would be spending around $700 for a book. If books were 700 each the number you could sell would be dramatically lower, meaning your costs needs to be spread over a smaller number of sales.

      The next part is that luxury items are at a higher risk of theft as they have a measurable resale value.

      Food on the other hand is a commodity item that people with power know they have to keep flowing or they will lose control of the population.

    4. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by mi · · Score: 1

      Median monthly salary for Uganda is about US$90, so at US$15 that makes up a massive % of their salary

      This may mean, the demand for books is too low for a reseller to stay in business. But TFA seems to imply, the demand does exist... That said, TFA is by a journalist, who may simply be ignorant of Economics...

      My original point stands — the reported near-triple mark-up is a bonanza for a capitalist. If Uganda is sufficiently free to allow book imports (as well as local printing), the prices ought to come down very quickly. And if they aren't free enough for that, then they have much bigger problems

      The next part is that luxury items are at a higher risk of theft as they have a measurable resale value.

      Still makes no sense — a stolen book gets resold, which lowers the price... Yes, crime increases the cost of doing business, but not by this much — something else must be afoot...

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    5. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      Why is there such a price difference? And why has not a cunny capitalist set up a book (re)selling shop — ordering on Amazon for $15 and selling locally for $16?

      Ok, maybe $1 is too optimistic, but $27 seems too much for a free country. And if it is not free, then they have a much bigger problem, than book-prices...

      Yes, $1 would be overly optimistic.

      In the US alone, Amazon usually charges $3.99 for shipping a $15 book.

      I don't know what shipping costs from the US to Uganda, or from Europe to Uganda, but I assume it has to cost more than $4 (unless you ship by boat through third or fourth class mail, which may take several months). Also since most peoples homes in Uganda are on streets with no name and have no number on their house, I assume that will add to the cost if they have to go through these private intermediaries with pick up locations with lockers

      Duty Rates
      Uganda applies duties and tariffs of the East African Community (EAC) Common External Tariff. Customs duty is levied at rates between 0% and 100%, with an average rate of 25%.
      Sales Tax
      Imports into Uganda are subject to a standard VAT rate of 18%, levied on the sum of the CIF value, duty, and other applicable taxes.
      Minimum thresholds
      There is no minimum threshold for imports into Uganda; therefore duty and taxes are payable regardless of the value.
      http://www.dutycalculator.com/...

      So with a duty of 25% and VAT of 18%, that makes a surcharge of 43%. Add to that the cost of insurance for the total value + total taxes. Let's say another $4 for that insurance (but it could be worse if the postal service in Uganda has a bad reputation).

      Which brings me to my next point. By this point, the customer in Uganda has contacted you several times and told you not to use insurance and told you to declare the book as a gift having $0 value, which really puts you in a difficult bind. The customer assures you that the package won't be stopped by customs if nothing of value is declared, and that everybody does the same thing and that it's perfectly fine. But the fact is, there is always a chance that the package will be stopped and confiscated by customs for having lied on the customs.

      Now I don't know what that rate is in Uganda. I have never shipped anything to Uganda, but I can tell you that the rate in France 10 years ago was around of 7%. So ten years ago, when my customers residing in France would beg me to send them an item from the US without declaring its value to avoid the 20-40% customs surcharge that came for some of the items I was shipping, the package would get intercepted and confiscated by customs roughly 7% of the time.

      And of course, the customer in France would get really upset when that happened and would rate me poorly if I didn't eat the cost and try again. And of course, the customer would rate me negatively as well if I did declare the full value and insured things properly without paying the customs and tax, because in the end the customer would get hit with a large customs and tax fee upon delivery.

    6. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 2

      I get where you are coming from. But there isn't a demand for books in Uganda that can be exploited. There may be a significant desire to own books but this is materially different from economic demand. In this instance I am saying the journalist is a fool.

      As for free to allow imports, I think that depends on your definition. Their infrastructure sucks, corruption is high, and transport risks are huge. You aren't going to be able to import books on a 1 by 1 basis, TNT isn't going to be a suitable delivery service. So you have to make a significant investment in importing a container of books, which puts you in the sights of those who want their cut. This would easily have the effect of doubling the cost of imported books.

      As for stolen books changing the price a retailer can charge, that is only the case if the books end up in the retail Ugandan market.

    7. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      And of course, the customer in France would get really upset when that happened and would rate me poorly if I didn't eat the cost and try again. And of course, the customer would rate me negatively as well if I did declare the full value and insured things properly without paying the customs and tax, because in the end the customer would get hit with a large customs and tax fee upon delivery.

      It's complaints like those that lead me to read through the negative eBay reviews and not just look at the percentage. On occasion I've seen some excellent vendors get crapped on by self-entitled bullying pricks.

    8. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Several people have already mentioned shipping container-fulls of books to Uganda

      People have mentioned building colonies on Mars. Doing it's a different thing.

      You do know Uganda's landlocked, don't you?

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    9. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by mi · · Score: 1

      People have mentioned building colonies on Mars. Doing it's a different thing.

      Don't be silly — people mentioned having shipped books to Uganda. It can be done...

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    10. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by mi · · Score: 1

      As for free to allow imports, I think that depends on your definition. Their infrastructure sucks, corruption is high, and transport risks are huge. You aren't going to be able to import

      That means, all imports are expensive in the country — and the books, however much I like them, would not be a special priority.

      May as well be lamenting the high prices of Ferraris over there...

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    11. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      100% agree. It was a stupid thing to focus on.

    12. Re:Why is there such a price difference? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you could link to them. The closest I can see is one near the top mentioning "countries like Uganda" which could mean pretty much anything from Australia to Samoa.

      Just admit you decided it was due to "OMG gubbimentz" and didn't even bother thinking before spouting off your libertardian shite.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  13. Expensive books - not only in Uganda by piranha32 · · Score: 1

    Books are expensive, and not only Ugandans suffer from it. Publisher's greed bites also people in "developed" countries. Do you think that books in US are cheap? Then you have never tried to buy academic books. A single book can costs much more than many US families or 4 or 5 spend weekly for food. On top of it many publishers publish new releases every semester with minor changes in the problems, and forbid professors from using older editions to kill used books market.

    1. Re:Expensive books - not only in Uganda by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 2

      Interesting; is it really true that the publishers can forbid professors to use older editions or do the professors just cave because they want their free professional copies of the publisher's books?

    2. Re:Expensive books - not only in Uganda by piranha32 · · Score: 1

      Those who use online teaching resources provided by publishers (problems for exams and homeworks) have no choice. Of course the contents of the book is modified in such a way that the previous, or international editions are useless. Only the version matching the most recent edition is available and the professor can't change it. For offline resources like solution guides, there are copyright-based restrictions, but I'm not familiar with them only aware of existence of such issue, so I'm not going to comment.
      DRM on paper books at work.

    3. Re:Expensive books - not only in Uganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is it really true that the publishers can forbid professors to use older editions

      Don't think so
      Our administration automatically updates the books to new edition, but I have used older books often. I also allowed multiple editions (older and newer) at the same time. Mostly because the newer edition is the same book with 2 new chapters.

    4. Re:Expensive books - not only in Uganda by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Interesting; is it really true that the publishers can forbid professors to use older editions or do the professors just cave because they want their free professional copies of the publisher's books?

      Publishers can't forbid Professors from using an older Edition of a book for, say, Calculus, which hasn't changed for a few centuries. But, what they can do is stop printing the older Editions, making them effectively unavailable for an entire class. A Professor cannot choose an old Edition, and hope that each student is able to search the web to find a copy.

      The only Edition available in the University Book Store will be the current one. A Professor requiring something outside this system could be seen as bias, depriving some students of the Edition of the textbook from which the course is taught.

      DO NOT blame Professors for this merry-go-round of 27th+ Editions on standard subjects. Their hands are tied.

      That said, many great books on fundamental topics are out-of-Copyright. If I taught a course that required a textbook (I usually don't), I would probably go to Project Gutenberg, download the PDF, and print the required number of copies at the local copy-shop. Sell them at-cost. Totally legal, and it helps to break the legs of the usurious behaviours of the academic publishers.

    5. Re:Expensive books - not only in Uganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, what they can do is stop printing the older Editions, making them effectively unavailable for an entire class. A Professor cannot choose an old Edition, and hope that each student is able to search the web to find a copy.

      I had professors in university myself, and now know of colleagues that use out of print books for courses because they think they are the best book on the topic out there. For anything not too esoteric (and quantum field theory was an example of not too esoteric), there are often many copies available online and the prof just gives a warning to buy them online with enough time for shipping instead of waiting to the last minute, and some might keep a few loaner copies around for the students who don't get one online anyway.

      The only Edition available in the University Book Store will be the current one. A Professor requiring something outside this system could be seen as bias, depriving some students of the Edition of the textbook from which the course is taught.

      At a lot of places, the professors submit paperwork to the bookstore before the semester telling them what book to stock. The bookstore will only stock what they were told to, not some random book expecting it to be used. A common problem are profs forgoting to order stuff in time for the bookstore to get it, and having to deal with the students not getting books until a couple weeks into the semester (despite the massive amount of the department email spam reminding people when they need orders in by). On top of that, some publishers will have backstock of older editions for some time, and you can older editions for years after they've moved on, despite the flood of physical mail spam they will send you trying to convince you to update your curriculum. They might greatly prefer forcing new editions on students, but they also sometimes rather try to somewhat cater to profs who have a set curriculum and homework routine instead of risking them going with another textbook altogether.

      DO NOT blame Professors for this merry-go-round of 27th+ Editions on standard subjects. Their hands are tied.

      This is still true, just not for the reasons you gave. Sometimes departments chose books for larger courses, or the senior professor teaching an intro class will set the curriculum and other instructors / junior profs don't have a say. And departments that go with an online homework system usually are much easier to get cornered by the publisher (but still sometimes ways around it for students who don't buy a textbook at all). Sometimes it is just down to someone who's hands aren't tied, but who is lazy or doesn't care.

      That said, many great books on fundamental topics are out-of-Copyright. If I taught a course that required a textbook (I usually don't), I would probably go to Project Gutenberg, download the PDF, and print the required number of copies at the local copy-shop.

      That is too far out of date for nearly all topics, short of getting copies of primary material for history and literature classes. Most basic math hasn't changed much in a while, but education methods march on slowly. I have a shelf of calculus textbooks from the first half of the 20th century, and a self-motivated, math minded person could learn a lot. But also would probably be the person already having calculus by the time they got to university, or busier using that energy for something else of higher priority. I've lost count of the number of times a good diagram or a relevant example made a huge difference to a student, and unfortunately the older books are a bit lacking there.

      Luckily, there are now huge numbers of very detailed class notes online for all sorts of common and uncommon university courses, in addition to open books for more basic courses. And it is pretty cheap for a professor to hire a work study student to typeset their handwritten notes over a summer if so motivated. So the copy-shops are often busy printing tings for material costs, but with sources much newer than most of what is on Project Gutenberg (e.g. Arxiv for many math and physical sciences topics).

  14. Library Purges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Libraries are often purging their collections. Some of those free books should end up in places like Uganda.

    1. Re:Library Purges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In just our small town library they threw away thousands of books. I'm sure it is this way all over the US. They could just be loaded into modular shipping containers and dropped off all thoughout the country. The books can then drift among the population. Instant free libraries, just need a couple of rich dudes like Zuck,Gates,Musk,Buffet to pony up shipping expenses. Hundreds of thousands of books can be made available within 3 months.
      Problem solved, next!

    2. Re:Library Purges by KGIII · · Score: 2

      Hmm... It's probably not that expensive to ship a container. I've a buddy in the Norfolk, VA area who is sort of in the business so I might be able to get a free/donated container. I've shipped a Honda to Japan and back for restoration but I'm pretty sure a container full of books will weigh a lot more. Still, it can't be that bad. If you ever actually get a container's worth of books and really want to ship them there, I would be willing to help with that.

      Note: I've been to a few African countries. You're gonna need bribe money - even for books. I also have no idea how you get a container from the coast all the way in to Uganda. I'm sure someone knows how to accomplish it. But yeah, if you ever seriously get a container of books then I'll help you get them as far as the coast. Someone else can help the rest of the way. (We can call it the Slashdot Literary Express.)

      It can't be *that* expensive to ship a container to Africa from a major port on the East Coast. I've spent money on far more stupid things. Much, much more stupid things... Also, it's gonna take bribe money - I'm not kidding about that. It's partially morbid curiosity - how does one get a container full of books to Uganda? It's probably less than 10k to ship the container so you don't really need "a couple of rich dudes" to do this. If you're serious and want to do some leg work, the email address works. I'll be going back through the VA area at the end of this week or the start of next week so I can stop in and beg for a container for you - he's got a yard full of 'em. (No, not that kind of yard. He owns a small trucking company.)

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    3. Re:Library Purges by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Ship to Mombasa and hit the road from there. It's only two lanes, but it is in good condition (at least in Kenya). Mombasa-Nairobi-Kampala. I imagine the problems come at the borders. Useful tip I learned from an adventure forum: find out who the local distributors for Coca-Cola are and ask them. Stuff is available almost everywhere on the planet.

    4. Re:Library Purges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea is not just one container, but hundreds of them. Old containers are being recycled into houses and out buildings now, so it should be easy for several communities to find a few and ask libraries, schools, and the public to donate some books. That would ensure a variety of reading materials and not just old textbooks someone is trying to unload. They would then be loaded onto a truck and dropped off at the dock.
      The books have little intrinsic value to the gangs, so there is no risk of theft, but you are right bribes will still be needed. Maybe they could be bribed with some boxes full of pr0n to show there is no money in it for them? The containers can be loaded onto trucks and taken all over the place. Big wheel trucks for the rough roads can also be used if needed.

    5. Re:Library Purges by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      There used to be a "book rate" that was subsidised for book shipping. It may have been discontinued.

    6. Re:Library Purges by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Good idea! I'd only be paying to ship a container. I've not got time to deal with the rest of that. As much as I'd like to, I've previous commitments coming up. I'm getting ready to head back to Maine as I'm not getting permission to go to Cuba. That was a hope and why I stayed here this long. (I already bought a ton of USB drives so that I could leave on a moment's notice.)

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    7. Re:Library Purges by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking post will be a bit for a whole shipping container's worth. Someone's sent me an email so we'll see what comes of it. I can just throw a few bucks at it - I don't have time to do much more than that.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  15. not just books... by supernova87a · · Score: 1, Informative

    Books are just a symptom of the underlying problems in Uganda. Considering the country's ranking on the World Bank's Ease of Doing Business Index (near the bottom on several important factors), an average person getting books at a reasonable price is just one of many issues plaguing this country: http://www.doingbusiness.org/r... I don't think Amazon on-demand access is at the top of their long-term solutions list...

  16. Print baby, Print! by zamboni1138 · · Score: 0

    Don't you guys worry. Once Uncle Donald gets into office and starts printing money like crazy it will be books for everybody!

    Just wait, you'll see. The Donald loves books... Probably more than any other person on the planet. Just ask him.

    1. Re:Print baby, Print! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 0

      May as well. Hillary would just use the paper to print up food stamps, and government regulation manuals.

  17. Kindle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just need to buy themselves a Kindle and then they will be able to get all the free books they could ever read!

  18. Fragment by s.petry · · Score: 1

    I thought you were going to get to some good stuff when talking price, but alas not quite what I hoped for. All books are not, nor should they be, the same price. Basic High school economics will teach you about supply and demand and how it impacts pricing. Before you "but e-books" remember that the author/artist needs to be paid so a lower volume book will still cost more money even in electronic form. Tragedy and Hope in Hardback is massive, and has a price to match. It also cost more money to have that book shipped than a paperback, because it's massive.

    Simple economics aside: I don't know that the problem they are seeing with book prices in this case is purely supply and demand pricing. On the surface it seems like people are attempting to inflate book prices to prevent people from knowledge. More elementary education is about how knowledge is power and people with power attempt to prevent people from learning so that they can maintain power.

    Amazon is a company, not a Government. If they are going to sell in the country they need to follow the rules the Government provides. I think the term I'd look at is "damned if we do, damned if we don't" in that case.

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    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:Fragment by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      On the surface it seems like people are attempting to inflate book prices to prevent people from knowledge.

      Right. That makes perfect sense. Much more effective than just banning them.

      Can you tell me what subversive things The Very Hungry Caterpillar contains, or have you not had it read to you yet?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
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  21. They have internet? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Tell them to go to Project Gutenberg!

    Then, either read on-screen, or print 4-up, double-sided, to take home.

  22. Digital books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are already charitable programs in place that aim to bring e-libraries to these communities. I supported one not too long ago. Hopefully others might consider the same https://www.gofundme.com/wq9hws

  23. Piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe that if you can afford something, you should pay for it, but if you can't, you should pirate it without guilt. There's no reason to cut oneself off from art and culture out of some sense that you're taking something from someone when you aren't even a lost sale to begin with. Someone needs to put together some torrents of Ugandan/African books and spread them around. I know they probably don't have computers, but I would bet nearly every family has a smartphone.

  24. It must be the LAND MASS, mustn't it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... that makes Uganda poor. It can't be the genes of the people who live there, can it. I'm sure that if they move to a white country, which obviously has a 'magic' land mass, as soon as they set foot on the 'magic' soil, they'll start becoming more intelligent and will soon be exactly the same as white people!

    That is what you believe, isn't it... since you claim "All races are the same", or "There's no such thing as race", or "Race is a social construct"...

  25. They can here too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much did that signed first edition of "On the Origin of Species" go for?

  26. No need to go so far by oramirez · · Score: 1

    Just look a little south of Florida to your neighbor Venezuela who actually has maritime borders with USA. Monthly income is around $15 for everyone except government officials many of whom have become tycoons, all with the american continent's general indiference.

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