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Google Paying Arizona Residents $20/Hr To Test Self-Driving Cars (mashable.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the extreme-weather-conditions dept.

An anonymous reader writes from a report on Mashable: Google is paying Arizona residents $20 per hour to test its self-driving vehicles. The 'Self-Driving Vehicle Operator/Operations Associate' needs to have a clean driving record, no criminal history, a BS or a BA degree and the ability to type at least 40 words per minute, according to the job listing. The job involves driving 6-8 hours a day in a two person team, five days a week while monitoring the car's systems with "constant focus" and filling up daily reports. "[Test drivers] give our engineers feedback about how our cars are driving and interacting with others on the road, and can take control of the vehicle if needed," Brian Torcellini, head of operations for Google's Self-Driving Car testing program, told The Arizona Republic. The job listing comes about a month after Google announced it would expand its self-driving car testing program to Phoenix, Arizona. At that announcement, Google said it wants to test how autonomous vehicles behave in Phoenix's desert conditions and high temperatures.

76 comments

  1. Re: Sad to see Google refuse to pay a living wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's disgusting what he has become.

  2. Winter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Minnesota in winter would be more of a challenge, to put it mildly. Maybe they are working up to that?

    1. Re:Winter by rossdee · · Score: 1

      Self digging out cars?

      Of course a thermostat wired into the remote starter to keep the car from freezing when parked outside at night should be easy

  3. Economic impact? by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

    So, in other words, self driving cars will actually CREATE JOBS, at least in Arizona....

  4. $20 an hour for a BA/BS degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You GOTTA be kidding me! What 3rd world commie country is this again?

    1. Re:$20 an hour for a BA/BS degree? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that unemployed holders of humanities or arts degrees will be quite happy.

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    2. Re: $20 an hour for a BA/BS degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if/when the car gets into an accident you can sue the pants off Googol (cha-ching!)

    3. Re:$20 an hour for a BA/BS degree? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I'm sure that unemployed holders of humanities or arts degrees will be quite happy.

      My neighbor's daughter graduated last year from SJSU with a degree in communications. She is now working as a front desk clerk in a hotel for $12/hour. $20/hour is not a bad wage for someone with an otherwise worthless degree.

      Google is not hiring BS/BA grads for any specific knowledge, but because having a degree indicates that you showed up and paid attention for 4 years, so you are also likely to show up for work everyday and do your job.

    4. Re:$20 an hour for a BA/BS degree? by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are literally tens of millions of people in the US who never got past HS but still show up every day for far less than $20/hr. Requiring a crash test dummy to hold a degree is fucking ridiculous, if they want real world testing conditions then hire a bunch of frat boys, don't pay them, just put a keg in the back seat. If the autopilot can cope with that, then it can cope with picking up drunks in the early hours of Sunday morning. For extreme testing conditions use a mothers club and a couple of casks of red wine.

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    5. Re:$20 an hour for a BA/BS degree? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

      $20/hr is about $160% the median American personal income.

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    6. Re:$20 an hour for a BA/BS degree? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Is that still true for college graduates?

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    7. Re:$20 an hour for a BA/BS degree? by Pfhorrest · · Score: 2

      College graduates obviously have a higher median income than the general populace, and I don't have figures for that myself, but according to another poster in this thread $20/hr is around the median for them nationally, and above it in Arizona specifically.

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    8. Re:$20 an hour for a BA/BS degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the degree requirement is to hopefully keep the riff-raff out of the applicant pool. face it, there are far more undesirables for this sort of job without a degree, than with one (and that's including those nasty liberal arts majors).

  5. Am I the only one by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    slightly horrified that they're asking for somebody with a degree, and for a $20/hr job no less...

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    1. Re:Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      degree is the new high school diploma. It means you can read, write, play well with others and follow something to completion even if bits are boring.

    2. Re:Am I the only one by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the fact that they are crash test dummies. Also, when one of those cars gets 'lost' in the desert because of lost signal and they get stranded in BFE, then they find the bodies 3 weeks later, that will make nice headlines.

    3. Re:Am I the only one by galabar · · Score: 2

      ...unless they need to run to their safe space. :/

    4. Re:Am I the only one by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      You gotta better way to keep these cars from becoming getaway drivers?

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    5. Re: Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There need to be an ged for that with out the cost

    6. Re:Am I the only one by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      slightly horrified that they're asking for somebody with a degree, and for a $20/hr job no less...

      That's the going rate for three adjunct professors.

    7. Re:Am I the only one by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 2

      Well, $20/hour ($41k/year) is about the median income for a person with a Bachelor's Degree, and Arizona doesn't have the highest cost of living, so they are probably ahead of the game. Especially if their degree is in a lower paying major.

      Plus, "ride in car and pay attention" doesn't sound like the highest skilled job. Given the safety record of the cars, it isn't that dangerous of a job, either.

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    8. Re:Am I the only one by Shados · · Score: 1

      For a job many people would pay to be able to do, minus the report filling...

    9. Re:Am I the only one by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

      It actually seems like pretty fair pay to me as well. I doubt it will be driving the median wage for entry level positions any, but it seems like a smart strategy for booking miles.

    10. Re:Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Safe Space? Aren't those for majors with women in them? /STEM.

    11. Re:Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not going to lose track of those cars, they've been investing some $$$ into location tracking... ;)

      That said, if you're the paranoid type you could always invest in (and register) an EPIRB (Emergency Position Indicating Radio Beacon). They're cheap enough now days (AUD $300) to be considered a part of any decent first aid / emergency kit.

    12. Re:Am I the only one by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Well, $20/hour ($41k/year) is about the median income for a person with a Bachelor's Degree, and Arizona doesn't have the highest cost of living, so they are probably ahead of the game. Especially if their degree is in a lower paying major.

      Plus, "ride in car and pay attention" doesn't sound like the highest skilled job. Given the safety record of the cars, it isn't that dangerous of a job, either.

      They're not just babysitting the cars, it sounds like they want a bunch of daily reports and such.

      I'm sure they're pretty basic reports, but if you want to make sure people are competent to carry out daily written assignments then requesting college degrees is a good filter.

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    13. Re:Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Moral panic? Hardly. When a social justice mob harasses somebody close to me until they are suicidal, there is a problem.

      You social justice weenies will get what's coming to you sooner or later.

    14. Re:Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's why I haven't bothered getting one. I just apply for jobs that require one and haven't yet found the lack of a degree harming my chances at an interview yet. Been sysadmining and programming for 15 years. The fact that I am willing to work at any single job for 5+ years gets me into the interview, and the good references I have seal the deal after that.

      When the actual proof is just "proficiency in english, ability to write reports, finish projects, and co-workers don't hate you" a few years of working at one place and references from both co-workers and your manager work adequately as a replacement. Best part is you get paid while you're getting those references and experience. Problem is your first job will typically be at a place that can't keep people around for long because the place sucks. There's always a catch. ;-)

      Go to university to learn. Don't go there for a job unless it's a legal requirement.

    15. Re:Am I the only one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I'd associate pearl clutching more with having to retreat to a safe space rather than confront uncomfortable truths.

      It's interesting that you have to project your intellectual weakness onto others.

    16. Re:Am I the only one by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Not with the AI driving, all it needs is a red light or a stop sign and it will get caught.

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  6. Only excellent drivers allowed in self-driving car by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    The job qualifications requirements for the two-person team to drive the self-driving car is because Google want to maintain their cars' excellent driving records.

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  7. Arbitration Clause by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    "First, you'll have to sign this waiver of our liability, because motherfucker, if it was a "self-driving car" we wouldn't need you to be our crash-test dummy.

    If they really want to test their self-driving cars, they should hire unemployed "software engineers" to lay down in the road in front of a fleet of self-driving cars. That's the test that matters.

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    1. Re:Arbitration Clause by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      If they really want to test their self-driving cars, they should hire unemployed "software engineers" to lay down in the road in front of a fleet of self-driving cars. That's the test that matters.

      That test has already been passed.

      Hundreds of little 2-seater Google self-driving cars can already be seen driving everywhere in Santa Clara and Mountain View.

      Those cars look like little Disney rides with hats.

      And so far, they haven't run over any of the pedestrian software engineers crossing the streets, nor any of the numerous children who run in front of them for hugs because they think they're Disney characters.

    2. Re:Arbitration Clause by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      That test has already been passed.

      Hundreds of little 2-seater Google self-driving cars can already be seen driving everywhere in Santa Clara and Mountain View.

      There are no pedestrians in Santa Clara or Mountain View. I'm serious.

      And if there were and they were run over by a Google Car, they probably wouldn't be missed until they didn't show up for their hot yoga class on Thursday.

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    3. Re:Arbitration Clause by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are no pedestrians in Santa Clara or Mountain View. I'm serious.

      Clearly, you were not stuck in traffic yesterday during the two conventions and the game.

    4. Re:Arbitration Clause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was behind a Google car going through this intersection some months back around 6pm. The street view shows 13 people either crossing or waiting to cross; it's that busy most of the day, and even more around dinnertime. I can confirm that it did not hit anyone on the way through, though it was kinda slow and timid.

    5. Re:Arbitration Clause by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      There are no pedestrians in Santa Clara or Mountain View. I'm serious.

      ... spoken like someone who has never driven down Charleston Rd. through the Google campus. Imagine streams of pedestrians flooding across the roads (mostly at traffic lights, but not always), brightly colored bicycles every twenty feet (both in the bike lane and not), etc. It's a self-driving-car safety testing dream.

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    6. Re:Arbitration Clause by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      ... spoken like someone who has never driven down Charleston Rd. through the Google campus.

      You just don't hear about the ones who get run over by Google Cars, because they're immediately replaced by clones with HB1 visas.

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  8. Re:Sad to see Google refuse to pay a living wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zuckerberg has gone so Republican since making his billions. He doesn't care about the people after he got his.

    Zuckerberg is at Google now? I had no idea.

  9. looks like the moderators... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    disagree with you. They buried your post since they know Zuckerberg has been working with Google for quite a while.

  10. Re: Sad to see Google refuse to pay a living wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is. Why do you republicans feel the need to lie about that?

  11. Why the degree requirement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone who "backdoored" my way into google because they purchased my company I have found their culture fascinating. Advanced degree from A-B-C university but literally incapable of contributing anything of value to a project? Fine, you can be a project manager then!

  12. It's all become so clear now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regular drivers are normally assholes.

    Drive like fools without regard for others.

    Now it's become clear.

    You need a BS/BA to drive correctly!

  13. The most expensive Phoenix test... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    To make this realistic, Google has to include a few vans in the test mix. Into each one approximately 135 'test drivers' will be crammed. These vans will be programmed to drive up and down the I-10/I-19 corridor between Phoenix, Tucson and well south until the extra weight bogging down their suspensions attracts the attention of a Department of Public Safety unit. A cheery high-speed police chase will ensue along the Interstates and through city streets until the van loses control and heads-on with some family driving their Prius to Whataburger for the evening. This will be the cue for all 135 passengers to scramble out and run into the desert in different directions.

    These van tests be an ideal platform for debugging of high-speed evasive protocols.

    1. Re:The most expensive Phoenix test... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      High speed? On a Google self driving car?

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    2. Re:The most expensive Phoenix test... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Normally no, but this common Phoenix-area highway situation would make an ideal test of self-drive in high speed situations.

  14. B.A./B.S. Degree by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are these driver-less cars are so sophisticated that they require a college-educated person to sit behind the wheel? Or is this like a law firm requiring a college degree for a filing clerk position?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/business/college-degree-required-by-increasing-number-of-companies.html

    1. Re:B.A./B.S. Degree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but since there are two employees aboard, they will be required to hold chauffeur's licenses. Not a big deal, but more administrative details.

      cc: AZ DMV

    2. Re:B.A./B.S. Degree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are these driver-less cars are so sophisticated that they require a college-educated person to sit behind the wheel? Or is this like a law firm requiring a college degree for a filing clerk position?

      http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/business/college-degree-required-by-increasing-number-of-companies.html

      No, they're just looking for indentured servants. Nothing like someone buried in debt desperate enough for $20/hr to make the model slave.

    3. Re:B.A./B.S. Degree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To drive the car does not require a college degree, but monitoring what the car does when and why and reporting on those actions might require critical thinking.

    4. Re:B.A./B.S. Degree by fred911 · · Score: 1

      "Are these driver-less cars are so sophisticated that they require a college-educated person to sit behind the wheel?"

      Probably not. But, I guarantee that providing super accurate feedback according specific detailed guidelines, with high accuracy will require a person that has the ability to comprehend and apply the provided guidelines (without training). Not that that requires a college education, but it eliminates many that don't have that ability. Guaranteed, driving is going to be the least of the hires responsibilities (or worries).

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    5. Re:B.A./B.S. Degree by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Also, I'd imagine there's a big difference in insurance costs between hiring college grads and high school grads. I mean, I've never shopped for commercial car insurance, so I can't be sure, but....

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    6. Re:B.A./B.S. Degree by asasdlfgnjl · · Score: 2

      What I donâ(TM)t get is why did they pick bachelors and not an associates, masters or doctorates? Associates, pfft. You spent too little on education. Youâ(TM)re not elitist enough. Have your Masters and you didnâ(TM)t get your doctorates? PHD, Iâ(TM)m not going to risk you taking my job. Professional truck driver, I donâ(TM)t need you to tell me how the car should drive. I just want to get my cronies who happen to have a BA an easy job watching which lights light up.

    7. Re:B.A./B.S. Degree by asasdlfgnjl · · Score: 1

      Or why beta isnâ(TM)t UTF-8 compliant.

    8. Re:B.A./B.S. Degree by zero_out · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that they want college-educated individuals because they know how to focus for 6-8 hours a day, and write daily reports. The pay is awfully low, IMO, but it may be ideal for a recent liberal arts graduate.

    9. Re:B.A./B.S. Degree by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      My apostrophe works just fine, perhaps it is because you are using some weird character?

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  15. Potential crash-test dummies wanted by wwalker · · Score: 1

    So basically Google is hiring potential crash-test dummies, or if you are optimistic, driver decoys to fool the police, for $20/hour? Because I can see them paying attention to what the car is doing the first half hour, and once you have confidence that it's not crashing, I'd be on reddit... hrm, I mean, slashdot for the rest of the day.

  16. Job listing violates 1964 civil rights act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google better watch out our they will have lawsuits....their job listing lists no criminal history as a requirement which is illegal under the civil rights act of 1964 (enforced by the equal employment opportunity commission). Simple existence of a past criminal record is not sufficient to deny employment; it must be directly relevant to the job. EEOC has several guidelines to determine relevancy (basically 3 guidelines - severity, relation to job position, likelihood of recidivism [majority of crimes committed over 10 years don't qualify for employment denial]).

  17. Re:Sad to see Google refuse to pay a living wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been a shareholder since a few days after the IPO. All I can say is that it sucks to be you. Keep up the fine work, Mr. Z.

  18. Time for a census by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how many beggars holding signs will soon be hanging out on the curb at the employment agency where these people get hired/payed.

  19. Degree inflation in action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So college is really nothing but painfully expensive daytime occupational therapy leading up to a bit of decorative paper. IOW, a "shoelace diploma" is more of an accomplishment than a BA or BS "degree".

    1. Re:Degree inflation in action by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Communications degree != all degrees.

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  20. Re:Sad to see Google refuse to pay a living wage by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

    $20/hr is about 160% the median personal income in America.

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  21. You need a Degree just to test it? by flajann · · Score: 2

    This is insanely crazy. Many of Google's own software engineers would not qualify either, being degree-less Autodidacts like myself. Maybe I'm missing the point here. Oh well. I'll just stick to my AI projects. Because I am simply too undereducated to test a self-driving car.

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  22. Re:Sad to see Google refuse to pay a living wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dunno where you get your numbers from, but $20/hr at 40 hours a week is $41,600. Medium income according to the Census Bureau is is $53,657. And in 2009 Arizona was $48,745.

    So no, google is paying just slightly under medium income. Unless you're including all those 98 million unemployed, uncounted folks the democrats created to put on their welfare rolls.

  23. What happens if you take it on a forest road? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    For those of you who are familiar with the area, what happens if you try to take it up the 711 road from Lake Pleasant to Crown King?

    1. Re:What happens if you take it on a forest road? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      It drives down the road?

      What is the concern that you are trying to imply?

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    2. Re:What happens if you take it on a forest road? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

      People break serious 4x4's on that road.

    3. Re:What happens if you take it on a forest road? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      If that is the case, can it really be called a road anymore? If it breaks 4x4s, it is likely a trail, and likely most cars wouldn't survive the road, self driving or not.

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  24. Re: Sad to see Google refuse to pay a living wage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're conflating personal income vs household income.

  25. Re: Sad to see Google refuse to pay a living wage by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

    Exactly, thank you. Personal income is about half of household income, because the median household is about two people.

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  26. BS or a BA degree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny, I drove tour buses for 5 years and tractor/trailers for 20 years without a degree.