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Toyota Forms 'Strategic Partnership' With Uber (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Toyota and Uber are forming a "strategic partnership" which will include an investment by the Japanese automaker in the San Francisco-based ride-sharing company. Under the agreement, Uber drivers can lease their vehicles from Toyota and cover their payments through earnings generated as Uber drivers. Toyota says it will invest an undisclosed sum in Uber, which is already the most valuable technology startup in the world. A partnership between Toyota and Uber could help the ride-sharing company solve a lingering question surrounding its self-driving ambitions, namely where its going to get a fleet of cars to equip with its autonomous technology. Toyota, which is the world's largest car manufacturer, is taking self-driving technology very seriously. It recently established the Toyota Research Institute to develop AI technologies in two main areas: autonomous cars and robot helpers for around the home. Last month, Google, Ford, Volvo, Lyft and Uber joined a coalition to help spur the development of self-driving cars, ultimately to make them arrive to the market faster. Meanwhile, Apple made an investment in Uber's Chinese rival Didi.

92 comments

  1. I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Self-driving cars with malfunctioning airbags. What could possibly go wrong?

    1. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the owner of three Honda's with defective airbags, how in the hell do you blame Toyota? It is the fault of the airbag maker Takata that also sold to Ford, Chrysler, BMW, Nissan, and others. Toyota has handled the recall much better than any other maker I know of. Honda tried to charge me for the replacement.

    2. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Toyota gave me a free oil change and car detail. For my wife's Honda, the dealer tried to charge me labor.

    3. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toyota gave me demo car to drive. It was a nice Camry with all of the options. For my roommate's Acura, the dealer had the car for nearly two weeks and didn't offer a loaner.

    4. Re: I can't wait! by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Wow.... that's not just balls of brass, that's balls of freakin' titanium! If it weren't so obviously illegal, I think I'd be impressed by their gumption for trying that.

    5. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work IT for a company that owns almost two dozen dealerships. Toyota has forced us to treat their customers better than the others. There are fourteen different manufacturers affected, and Toyota is by far going farther than any of the others to help their customers.

    6. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I received a letter that my Acura had defective side airbags, and it recommended I don't have anyone sit in the passenger seat until it was replaced. The soonest my Acura dealer said they could replace it was maybe September. I'm not supposed to ride with a passenger until over three months from now?

    7. Re: I can't wait! by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Toyota has forced us to treat their customers better than the others.

      Could you elaborate on how are they forcing you, exactly?

    8. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't depend on Honda to reimburse rental cars! They told me they would reimburse me for a rental from Enterprise then denied to pay it.

    9. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did that to me when I took my CRV in. They told me to get a rental from Enterprise since it took them over a week, and then they refused to pay for it!

    10. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honda has always been a crappy company. They should have stuck to building scooters. I loved mine in the 60s, and the Beach Boys ever wrote a great song about them.

    11. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Honda Fit was hit with this recall. The dealer refused to provide a loaner or pay for a rental for the three weeks they had my car.

    12. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They made us give loaners or pay for rentals. Also, they didn't allow us to try to up sell in services. Toyota is a hard company to work with.

    13. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got a letter about my Fit. Honda told me to not drive with passengers. As if I'm not going to do that.

    14. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've owned only Hondas since I bought my first Civic in 1975. It was the very first CVCC off of the boat in Long Beach. It was so efficient it didn't even require a catalytic converter. Since then, Honda has always tried to charge something for recalls. I don't think charging for a recall is llegailz since Honda has been doing it for over forty years.

    15. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honda always tries to charge for recalls. You shouldn't be surprised.

    16. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the GP, but for my Toyota, I got a nice loaner. For my wife's CRV, the Honda dealer refused to do the recall until I agreed to pay for the 10k service. The Honda dealer also charged me for storage since I couldn't make it back until the weekend to pickup my car.

    17. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be careful and explicit that you don't want any extra services. My Acura dealer charged me $240 extra when I too mine in for a recall for a tire rotation. I didn't ask them to do that.

    18. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never seen Toyota charge for a recall, but my Honda dealer always tries to nickel and dime them. The last time I was at my Honda dealer they hit me with $40 to exchange the air in the tires for nitrogen. It was easier to pay them than argue.

    19. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toyota took nine attempts to fix the seatbelt in my FJ Cruiser, but every single time they gave me a loaner without hassle. I will never buy anything but a Toyota.

    20. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad they're a "hard company to work with." I've owned about a dozen other cars I've taken I for recall work, and only Toyota was pleasant to work with. Most, especially Honda, tried to charge for recall work.

    21. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not illegal. I've bought from the same Honda dealer for over thirty years, and they have always charged something for recalls.

    22. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you're stupid enough to pay them, doesn't make it legal. Honda owners are morons.

    23. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is illegal to charge for services you didn't ask for. You should have fought it. Honda owners are idiots.

    24. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enterprise gives a nice discount to Honda owners. At least you got the nice discount.

    25. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not illegal. I've bought from the same Honda dealer for over thirty years, and they have always charged something for recalls.

      Just because you're stupid enough to pay, doesn't make that legal. Jesus effing Christ, Honda owners are stupid.

    26. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honda always tries to charge for recalls. You shouldn't be surprised.

      You're a moron. My Honda dealer tried to pull that shit and then put a mechanics lean on my car. I filed a complaint with my state AG, then they cowed in terror. Don't put up with that shit. You're just encouraging them to rip-off people for recalls.

    27. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with charging labor when the manufacture doesn't reimburse for a fair amount?

    28. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1978 Civic owner here. Honda has always been jerks about recalls so it sounds like the person you are replying to is just naive.

    29. Re: I can't wait! by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Again.... "Made" you. How?

    30. Re: I can't wait! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      I got a letter about my Fit. Honda told me to not drive with passengers.

      Listen friend, do you think you could drive my mother-in-law to the grocery store on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays? There's a case of whiskey in it for you.

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    31. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You try going a month without Toyota sending you any inventory. That's what they did to us after refusing to do recall work for free.

    32. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. You know what you're getting into by buying a Honda.

    33. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My honda dealer has always charged for recalls so it obviously isn't illegal.

    34. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not illegal to charge for wxtra services that customers agree to. Since I work for a Honda dealer, thankfully most of our customers are idiots and agree to extra charges. Recalls wouldn't be profitable otherwise.

    35. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since the recall is the fault of the manufacturer, doesn't Toyota (corporate) reimburse you (dealership) for costs incurred performing the recall work?

      My last three cars have all been the same make. I've had to go in a few times for recall stuff. They never even attempt to charge me for anything. I did ask the service department manager once kinda for my own peace of mind, like "So if there are 6 recalls in the next year you really won't charge me for any of it?" He explained it doesn't cost them anything. The dealership doesn't pay the mechanics (the mechanics actually pay the dealership to rent a spot in the service bay) so there's no loss there. Vehicle owners aren't billed for recall work, instead GM directly pays the mechanics a lower-than-normal fee for the time they spend on it. The parts aren't billed to anyone. He said it was mostly just an inconvenience having bays tied up for recall work so they schedule it so only one bay at a time ever has that going on. If anyone was getting shafted, it's the mechanics, because the stipend they get from GM to do recall work is less than they would get paid by vehicle owners to do regular work.

    36. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honda has always charged for recalls. It's a company tradition.

    37. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all of us can afford to be without a car for so long so we give in to Honda.

    38. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ham played the same games with us. Not getting inventory cost us less than doing recall repairs that reimbursed less than the cost us, so the joke was on them.

    39. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also do IT for a chain of car dealerships. Bunch of cheap bastards.

      Recalls are weird. You're required to do them, but different states just don't give a damn. For out Honda dealers in the Midwest, they screw customers hard, but in Idaho Honda doesn't let us get away with that. It's all very inconsistent.

    40. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their parts are extremely overpriced and our customers usually very naive, so repairs of any sort are very profitable. You can't blame the dealers for trying to make money b

    41. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you trying to get her killed? Fits are dangerous cars at best, and with the recalls that Honda won't be able to complete by eleven the end of the year, they're not getting any safer.

    42. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it was illegal, then how has Honda gotten away with it for so many decades? I've owned only Hondas since 1982, and I've paid for recall repairs several times.

    43. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off the record, the owner of the three Honda dealerships I work for has always had orders to not do recall repairs for free. We're supposed to always find something to charge for.

    44. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if individuals can fight the system.

    45. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how do you fight the dealer when in most states they can put a mechanics lien on the title?

    46. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently Honda America gets too many complaints to handle, because last time I called them about being charged for a recall, they told me to call back in a year.

    47. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The service manager at my local Honda dealer hit me until I "changed" my mind.

    48. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to hire a lawyer and still lost after my local dealer charged me for a recall.

    49. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's wierd how incongruous Honda is about the purchase experience and normal service visits versus recalls.

    50. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So owning a Honda is better than having polio? What a resounding endorsement.

    51. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me it was fascinating watching how many different ways my Honda dealer tried to screw me. After a while, it was amusing to both of us. Of course, I got screwed I the end, but it was entertaining.

    52. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Owning a Honda is almost as bad as having polio.

    53. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My braces suck, but they suck less than my last experience with my Honda dealer.

    54. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One took my wife for $1843. After my lawyer got through with them, they refunded every penny.

    55. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is illegal. In May of 2002 Honda recalled Accords for ignition switch problems. My mother took hers back to the dealership, but they refused to give the car back without payment for doing services she didn't ask for. She ended up losing the car, and that was what started her back downward on a spiral of alcoholism.

    56. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They said the same to me. The owner of my local dealership knew I had a baseball signed by Ty Cobb. He demanded that in order to get my car back from recall work.

    57. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honda dealers always take advantage of women.

    58. Re: I can't wait! by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      But how do you fight the dealer when in most states they can put a mechanics lien on the title?

      What the hell is a mechanics lien? The one time I took my car to a dealer and they wanted to charge me for labour when no work was done I told the manager that if he thinks I owe them money they can pursue me in court - they don't get to arbitrarily repossess my vehicle without a court getting involved.

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    59. Re: I can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...they don't get to arbitrarily repossess my vehicle without a court getting involved.

      Wrong. Here in California, it's a constitutional right guaranteed by our state constitution, and it's also the law in most states. You can, and probably will, be charged with grand theft auto if you take your car back. That's happened dozens of times that I know of. Also, the dealer can charge large storage fees so you can very quickly owe the dealer more than the car is worth, and then in most states it's easy for the dealer to get a lien sale authorization from the state DMV. My neighbor recently lost his new Honda CRV over an argument on the repair costs. The Honda dealer sold his CRV "without a court getting involved."

    60. Re: I can't wait! by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Recalls aren't suppose to be profitable and Honda should be reimbursing the dealer for labor.

    61. Re: I can't wait! by mark-t · · Score: 1

      How is it "for free" when the manufacturer is paying for it? And why would you charge a customer in the first place if the manufacturer were paying for it anyways? Again, how is this making you treat their customers "better" than others?

  2. Johnny Cab by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

    They better make sure the human interface unit robust or some muscle bound austrian-american womaniser will try and rip the thing out.

  3. This is sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Toyota is supporting the Republican's hateful push for a gig-based economy.

    1. Re: This is sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With pukianz fighting against universal basic income, this is what you end up with.

  4. Editors are asleep again... by flargleblarg · · Score: 2

    namely where its going to get a fleet of cars to equip with its autonomous technology.

    namely where it's going to get a fleet of cars to equip with its autonomous technology.

    FTFY.

  5. Toyota has marketing and negotiating geniuses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Toyota's marketing people must be absolute geniuses. They got the state of California to make Prius lanes (where -only- Priuses by name are allowed to travel in the otherwise HOV lanes on highways), and because of that fact, it pretty much made any commuter who desired to reduce their time sitting in 2-3 hour jams in the Bay Area or LA, morning and afternoon, own one of their vehicles. Now, they get Uber on their side.

    Maybe they can make the highway in Austin that is being converted into a tollway free for Prius drivers. That would be a nice thing to have.

  6. It would reduce the Uber-rapes by Sir+Holo · · Score: 0

    Hey, self-driving Uber (or Lyft, etc.) cars would probably reduce the number of rapes and robberies by Uber drivers.

    OTOH, Self-driving cars are known to cause traffic accidents – because they obey the speed limits, etc. very exactly.

    1. Re:It would reduce the Uber-rapes by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      but would really want to get into an gypsy auto drive car? vs an one that controlled under rules more like an taxi?

    2. Re:It would reduce the Uber-rapes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have statistics for the aforementioned rapes and robberies? -PCP

    3. Re:It would reduce the Uber-rapes by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      OTOH, Self-driving cars are known to cause traffic accidents – because they obey the speed limits, etc. very exactly.

      No they don't. I have Tesla Autopilot, and it will happily drive at whatever max speed I set, even if it is well over the limit.

    4. Re:It would reduce the Uber-rapes by rch7 · · Score: 1

      This lame beta level software named "autopilot" do not qualify as self-driving car. It will happily disconnect at any moment when it gets confused just before crashing the car and let a driver to hold the bag of liability as if driver somehow was "in control".

    5. Re:It would reduce the Uber-rapes by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      Do you have statistics for the aforementioned rapes and robberies? -PCP

      http://bfy.tw/66gm

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      To everyone else, I am not feeding a troll. Click the link...

  7. Why do you need Uber? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I own a self-driving car, why do I need Uber anymore?

    1. Re:Why do you need Uber? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      I'm in a good mood so here is a excerpt from TFS "Under the agreement, Uber drivers can lease their vehicles from Toyota and cover their payments through earnings generated as Uber drivers. Toyota says it will invest an undisclosed sum in Uber (...)".
      Right under your nose . Not even TFA, TFS!

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    2. Re:Why do you need Uber? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could lease their cars from anyone and use their Uber earnings to make those lease payments. So, WTF does this partnership bring to an end-car-user?

      Uber could buy cars from anyone, so why the fuck is that a lingering question too?

    3. Re:Why do you need Uber? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      You didn't answer the question: "If I own a self-driving car, why do I need Uber anymore?"

      Try reading ass-hole.

    4. Re:Why do you need Uber? by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      It may help newer or aspiring Uber drivers.

      If you go to most manufacturers and tell them you don't have a job, but you want to buy a decent car so you can work as an Uber driver, they probably wouldn't give you a lease based on an intention to work.

      Whereas, if this deal with Toyota integrates with Uber, they can look at your past Uber driving history and determine if you're a good risk, and if you don't provide enough rides and won't be able to make payments, they can monitor that and terminate the lease to reduce their exposure.

  8. Stop calling Uber a "ride-sharing company" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The correct term is "piecework subcontractor taxi company". They're not sharing anything - you're paying to be driven to a place of your choice. It's a taxi company that uses legal loopholes to cut costs while increasing risks for its contractors and customers.

  9. When exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    did people forget how to walk?

  10. More equity money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More equity money to keep prodding the behemoth along. When is Uber going to make a profit? Most valuable company in the world, only by bad investors.

  11. Whose next in line? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This just goes to show that any time there is money for an individual to make, people will line up around the block to get in the way and take it for themselves.

    I can't just pick someone up and give them a lift for five bucks - an arrangement between two consenting parties where value is exchanged between individuals in a free market. No, we can't have that. Any time a free-market transaction occurs, the first entity to get in the way is government.

    Government must have its tithe. It will do this by creating obstacles that must be overcome under threat of force before the two consenting parties may proceed with their private transaction. These tithes will be huge, especially if there is already an incumbent purchasing government influence with its own tithes.

    Then, big corporations get in the way - any corporation that makes anything that is used to facilitate the transaction will attempt to insert itself, as Toyota is doing now. Want to be an Uber driver? Just head on down to your Toyota dealership and lease your Uber-approved transport vehicle. We'll just take it out of your ass.

    Before long, Uber drivers will be working for someone else - politicians, lawyers, insurance brokers, car manufacturers, and anyone else who could conceivably get in the way of me giving you a lift to the grocery store.

  12. Why would Uber want self-driving cars? by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Why would Uber *want* self-driving cars? Sure, it eliminates the need to pay people and again replace workers with robots, but then Uber would have to admit they are are a Taxi company if they *own* the vehicles.

    There's only one way this works: Again, they contract out to people who own the self-driving cars, but anyone that owns such a car would need to have a real job, not a below-minimum-wage Uber job. The car owner goes to work and then, upon reaching his destination, then releases his car to go make more money for him autonomously. (instead of parking the car which stays dormant all day).

    Otherwise, Uber will have to buy their own fleet and then claim that the robots themselves are the contractors. Just wait until *they* unionize!

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  13. Do these CEOs propposing self-driving even drive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever a CEO touts self-driving cars within 1 year or 5 years, I wonder to myself if they have ever driven a car, or at the very least have they driven in a city?

    There is more to driving that following a GPS or Lidar. Even if the accuracy is to the centimeter it doesn't account for a) bad drivers on the road, b) unfavourable road conditions, c) changes to traffic patterns due to any number of reasons.

    More realistic would be a system where the car is remote piloted.

    https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/05/24/2257258/toyota-forms-strategic-partnership-with-uber#

  14. Ride-sharing company? Uber? by AndreasVukman · · Score: 1

    Why people call Uber ride-sharing company? Do they know what ride-sharing is? Uber are just another taxi-company with a bit smarter app.

  15. Ride sharing? by Toshito · · Score: 1

    Uber is NOT ride sharing. Stop calling it that.

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  16. Owin yer soul to the Company Store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but this time its okay because big money Silicon Valley investors are behind the exploitation! They gonna offer garages and food programs too tied into how well you busk for rides? Is Uber gonna pay the insurance on the leased vehicle yet?