Seattle App Summons Help When You Need CPR (geekwire.com)

An anonymous reader writes:Sudden cardiac arrest is usually fatal. But Seattle's Fire Department has joined with the city's Medic One Foundation to develop an app which alerts emergency dispatchers and also CPR-trained bystanders when someone needs CPR. The PulsePoint app also shows the location of the nearest defibrillator, and Seattle's mayor says he hopes it will save lives. A Spokane version of the app is already credited with helping to save the life of an infant, and the Medic One Foundation hopes to work with more local fire department to bring the app to the rest of Washington State.

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Works in Seattle...

[110010001000]

This works in Seattle because we have high speed gigabit Internet everywhere. Very progressive city council makes sure we have a variety of ISPs to choose from as well. This is what investing in your infrastructure brings you!

Re:Works in Seattle...

[Anonymous Coward]

This works in Seattle because we have high speed gigabit Internet everywhere. Very progressive city council makes sure we have a variety of ISPs to choose from as well. This is what investing in your infrastructure brings you!

No, Seattle doesn't.

Seattle has Comcast and CenturyLink mostly.CenturyLink's network sucks and Comcast just sucks.

Re: Works in Seattle...

[Anonymous Coward]

You dont half talk some shit dude, its the same with nearly every post from you. Your pretend technical knowledge is laughable, you are clearly clueless but have convinced yourself its not the case.

Keep it up, I like a laugh.

Re:Works in Seattle...

[Anonymous Coward]

I pay $30 to Century Link for 40mbps down 5 mbps up and it is rock solid at all times of the day and night.

Comcast sucks.

Open data?

[SuperKendall]

If I read that right, there are two apps for two cities?

Is that PulsePoint data available anywhere (the location of portable defib stations?) it seems like it would be a great idea to have an open API to that data set that let anyone build an app that could find the nearest defib wherever you were on Earth... and perhaps a network of people registered for CPR that was shared between apps, so they could choose to use whichever app they trusted to share current location.

Re:Open data?

[Anonymous Coward]

If info on defib/AED stations is available, it would probably be pretty easy to integrate the data with Google Maps (maybe openstreetmap too)

Re:Open data?

[thegarbz]

and perhaps a network of people registered for CPR that was shared between apps

Easier solution. Just make CPR / first aid a mandatory course for all sorts of common things. Where I studied it was mandatory for University graduation. In my profession it's mandatory for my registration. In the next country over it's mandatory when you get and renew your drivers license.

The fact that you could keel over and be in a situation where there's no a CPR trained person in line of sight and no AED unit easily available is a situation that simply should not exist these days.

Shit forget the CPR, just put AEDs everywhere, the units will talk untrained people through CPR, and untrained help is better than no help at all.

Re: Open data?

[Anonymous Coward]

There are cases of people who were sued by the people they saved.

I heard of a case where some ones breast plate or rib cage was broken due to trying to jump start the heart, and they sued the person who brung them back to life for hospital bills, etc.

Re: Open data?

[gzuckier]

There are cases of people who were sued by the people they saved.

I heard of a case where some ones breast plate or rib cage was broken due to trying to jump start the heart, and they sued the person who brung them back to life for hospital bills, etc.

All 50 states have Good Samaritan laws or regulations, though, which protect people who attempt to offer aid in a reasonable fashion. That only means that you won't lose the case, though, it doesn't mean you won't get sued, which can be enough to ruin your life even if you win.

Re: Open data?

[Anonymous Coward]

CPR breaks ribs, derp.

Everyone knows that.

Bullet-proof vests break ribs as well, nerd rage against that.

Re: Open data?

[thegarbz]

There are cases of people who were sued by the people they saved.

I've heard of those. In countries with a sane legal system (I can't speak for the USA on this one) they are thrown out with prejudice and the idiot you saved has to cover your legal expenses (which are admittedly very low since these cases normally last a whole of 5 minutes before a judge).

I heard of a case where some ones breast plate or rib cage was broken due to trying to jump start the heart

Stupid people are stupid. I heard of someone suing a lifeguard because he ripped open her shit and she wasn't wearing a bra. I'm not sure how you're supposed to apply an AED through cloths but whatever. These cases don't go anywhere. Ever. Not in front of a sane judge, and in most countries where there is a risk of insane judges there are typically laws that protect the person administering CPR.

There's standard life saving measure that typically will result in pain. I know someone (surf life saver in Australia) who gave CPR to someone who had 2 broken ribs. Ended up puncturing the person's lung and he had a shit long recovery. It happens. You're taught that this stuff happens in first aid courses. Perform CPR on someone under 12 you will fracture their ribs at the least. Or another great one is if someone is choking and you can't dislodge whatever they have by smacking their back, if they pass out give them a big blow to the mouth. Whatever is blocking their throat will end up in their left lung. It will most likely require surgery to get out but they'll live.

Now since we're talking about stupid. What kind of 3rd world country do you live in where emergency medical care results in a bill? Last time I broke my arm I went to hospital, had my arm cut open to put a few bolts and two plates back in my arm and 2 days later I was discharged. No one asked me for anything.

Finally

[plopez]

A mobile app that actually does something useful.

Re:Finally

[WarJolt]

Let's see...what else is useful? GPS navigation, email, mobile payment, slack and let's not forget the most useful one of all: the /. app that /. was too cheap to write.

Re:Finally

[business_kid]

Yes, but what a pity that Americans have not rejected the thing that's killing them - their food. The 'average' diet is alarming - high fats, calories & sugars, excess protein, chemicals, salt, low fruit, fibre, exercise & complete foods. Government subsidies for corn, for example simply depress the price, so they actually go into the profits of multinationals. No wonder 2/3 Americans are obese and you have health problems. In Europe, we label GMOs and most families never buy anything containing them. There is trash food, but you can get organic & healthy options.

Re:Finally

[Anonymous Coward]

In 2008, Europe's overall obesity rate was 20% for women and 23% for men, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's risen in the past 8 years. Over 50% of Europeans are overweight, according to the WHO. You haven't quite reached American proportions yet, but y'all got some weight problems; pretending otherwise is total denial.

Re:Finally

[gzuckier]

Let's see...what else is useful? GPS navigation, email, mobile payment, slack and let's not forget the most useful one of all: the /. app that /. was too cheap to write.

don't forget screensavers.

Re:Finally

[RockDoctor]

Well, of dubious utility.

There's a saying in the rescue community - "you can survive three months without food, three days without water but three minutes without oxygen". It's the lack of oxygen supply to the brain consequent on the failure of blood circulation that causes the major damage in heart attack, partiularly the neurological effects.

Unless Seattle has literally got defibrillators spaced at literally less than 100m spacing, then you'd get more benefit from an app (tied to on-body pulse sensor of some sort) which detected the heart attack ; flagged an alarm to the ambulance service to come to collect the corpse, then used it's loudspeaker to scream for any human within ear shot to come and help the victim, and would then give instructions to the first responder.

A depressingly high number of corpses will be recovered with the phone app still screaming away, having drained it's battery to an audience of people who "don't want to get involved".

of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[m2943]

You should seriously consider whether resuscitation after cardiac arrest is worth it: many people who survive it will suffer from severe neurological problems.

Much more important than this kind of gimmick would be a good technological solution for people to be able to refuse unwanted medical treatment. Right now, there is no reliable way of doing that, and many people are condemned to weeks or months of horrible suffering by being treated against their wishes.

Of course, the medical establishment is quick to embrace technology when it results in more people being brought in the door for their "treatments"; they are not interested in technology when it actually serves patient interests and preferences but causes them loss of revenue.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

Fancy writing for "kill the poor, plus the idiots".

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

Tattoo DO NOT RESUSCITATE over your heart. Should be pretty reliable.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[m2943]

Tattooing DNR over your heart isn't reliable; doctors and EMTs ignore such tattoos because they aren't legally valid. Even if they could respect such tattoos, it wouldn't be in their financial interest: it's financially much more rewarding for them to wheel you into intensive care and "treat" you for a few weeks. It's even more rewarding if you remain permanently disabled and require their services for months and years.

Re: of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

What an absolute crock of shit.

Eight weeks ago I had the misfortune of my heart going into fribulation due to an un diagnosed coronary artery blockage. To my luck there was a nurse and a trained first aider who witnessed my collapse and came to the rescue. I was resuscitated and a defibrillator applied before the ambulance arrived (which happened quickly anyhow).

I have no detectable brain damage and even enzyme evidence of heart muscle damage was so low that the doctors in the ER were sceptical that I had went into fribulation (until they interrogated the AED that was used on me).

So may be it is some medical conspiracy but what the fuck. Quick action and resuscitation saved my life and minimised damage. If I had to wait for the ambulance before resuscitation I would probably have died or best case suffered the usual raft of prolonged hypoxia syndromes.

Given the aging overweight Slashdot population this is probably the most important news today.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[m2943]

Your chances of ever recovering full cognitive function after cardiac arrest are less than 2% with current techniques and procedures. You are an "idiot" (to use your words) if you choose a painful, lingering death in a hospital with cognitive impairment over a quick and mostly painless death from cardiac arrest, and that isn't even taking into account the massive financial burden you impose on your family And note that once your brain has been damaged from cardiac arrest, you will probably not be able to make any medical decisions for yourself anymore ever.

The way to deal with cardiac arrest is to avoid it in the first place, through a healthy lifestyle and (if necessary) various implantable devices. It's that kind of preventive care that poor populations don't receive and that we need to improve.

Re: of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[mspohr]

Or... you could stop clogging your arteries with meat.
(But there's no money in that.)

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Ol Olsoc]

Your chances of ever recovering full cognitive function after cardiac arrest are less than 2% with current techniques and procedures. Yup, that's the question the instructors hate. I asked it during my defib class, and you could see the instructor grimace, then a split second of "should I lie?", then the truth. Dfib works better than straight new version CPR only, but only a little.

You are an "idiot" (to use your words) if you choose a painful, lingering death in a hospital with cognitive impairment over a quick and mostly painless death from cardiac arrest, and that isn't even taking into account the massive financial burden you impose on your family

Having seen just that with my mother, who died instantly, versus the other parents who lingered way too long, I gotta say she won the death lottery. Healthy, then boom - outa here.

And note that once your brain has been damaged from cardiac arrest, you will probably not be able to make any medical decisions for yourself anymore ever.

The way to deal with cardiac arrest is to avoid it in the first place, through a healthy lifestyle and (if necessary) various implantable devices. It's that kind of preventive care that poor populations don't receive and that we need to improve.

Then again, most of longevity is based upon genetics. Most of the men in my family, without accidents, tend to live to around 85. With maintenance drugs and preventative medical care and a healthy lifestyle, they've extended that to around 85.

No one gets out of here alive. If a person wants to adopt the starving rat life extension protocol, and they are happy doing it, then great. But even then, any extension is on the old end of the scale. screw that, if I'm going to live to 125, I want most of those years to be 30, not living in a nursing home.

Live well, love well, eat well and laugh - it's the ultimate revenge. I'm in it for quality, not quantity.

Re: of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Ol Olsoc]

I was resuscitated and a defibrillator applied before the ambulance arrived (which happened quickly anyhow).

If this actually happend to you AC, you apparently do not know just how lucky you were, Your outcome is very rare. Congrats, indeed.

Re: of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

Eight weeks ago I had the misfortune of my heart going into fribulation due to an un diagnosed coronary artery blockage.

First of all, having undiagnosed coronary heart disease rarely is a "misfortune"; the majority of cases are preventable, and coronary arterial disease severe enough to cause fibrillation should have been identified during physical exams.

I have no detectable brain damage and even enzyme evidence of heart muscle damage was so low that the doctors in the ER were sceptical that I had went into fribulation (until they interrogated the AED that was used on me). Quick action and resuscitation saved my life and minimised damage

It sounds like you may not have had full cardiac arrest at all, since "fibrillations" are not necessarily the same as "cardiac arrest" and/or can be transient.

What an absolute crock of shit.

No, the "absolute crock of shit" is what you are peddling. The numbers I gave are correct: only 2% of people who have cardiac arrest outside a hospital fully recover neurological function; you can look that up. You either didn't have a cardiac arrest, or you were extremely lucky.

Given the aging overweight Slashdot population this is probably the most important news today.

The "aging overweight Slashdot population" should get up, exercise, and lose weight. That's the only effective way of dealing with heart disease. Only a fool would believe that a cell phone app that helps people find defibrillators somehow obviates the need for making lifestyle changes.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

Calorie restriction does not really extend maximum lifespan, but it does improve quality of life throughout the lifespan (age-related degeneration, both physical and mental, is slowed by about 1/3 throughout the entire life, not simply extending the lifespan).

Re: of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

The rate is probably higher than 2% in cases where a building-based AED is applied and the heart restarted/stabilized before brain damage occurs and prior to the arrival of EMTs. The majority of out-of-hospital cases probably don't involve a building-based AED applied within a minute or less after collapse.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

If your preference is to die, you can make sure there is nobody around to save you. It's an absurd preference in my opinion, but you're entitled to your beliefs.

Re: of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[SuricouRaven]

On one hand, there is clear scientific evidence showing a diet very high in fats and sugars is unhealthy.

On the other, there's several hundred million years of evolution screaming in your brain to cram down all the calories you can, because you don't know when the next meal will be available and the hard winter times are coming.

While individuals can sometimes resist their instincts, it's very difficult to do so, and this can be seen at a population level. If it were easy, abstinence-only programs would work.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[muecksteiner]

The thing is, with proper first aid (to wit, competently done CPR from the get-go), the "reasonable recovery" rate is significantly higher than just 2%. Of course, it is important to realise that with current medical technology, it will never get any higher than ~20% or so. I have the 20% figure from a cardiologist: according to him, 80% of cardiac arrest cases are for reasons that are lethal with our current medical capabilities anyway: even with the best pre-clinical care possible, these will not result in a positive outcome (that is, anything other than, at "best", lingering death).

However, there is quite a difference between 2% and 20%. That amounts to quite a number of people who might yet have a few years (or months, as the case may be) to live *with a decent quality of life* - iff no hypoxic brain damage occurs, that is. So investing effort into improving pre-clinical medical care (and in particular, competent first responders) is not wasted. You never know whether someone you know might fall into the 18% group.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

My father-in-law falls in that 18%. Dead on the floor from cardiac arrest for 9 minutes until the first responders arrived with an AED and restarted his heart.

This was ten years ago. He is still alive and doing quite well today. Total damage done to him: he has very little memory of the day of the cardiac arrest and the week that followed, but other than that he has complete motor function and cognitive ability.

Re: of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

First of all, having undiagnosed coronary heart disease rarely is a "misfortune"; the majority of cases are preventable, and coronary arterial disease severe enough to cause fibrillation should have been identified during physical exams.

It may be rare, but it happens. I've known at least one person where comprehensive cardiovascular testing, including stress tests, missed a 99% blockage in the right coronary artery. Testing is not a panacea.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[muecksteiner]

He was exceptionally lucky to survive 9 minutes without permanent brain damage. He might have had some residual heart function which delivered some minimal oxygen to the brain for the first few minutes of his "cardiac arrest". Good to hear that he made a full recovery: stories like that are much needed morale boosters for EMTs like myself, and many others: the sad truth is that even for us who bring plenty of kit and experience to the party, CPR does not end up doing much useful in most of the cases we see. The few where it does work of course make it more than worthwhile, though.

Re: of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

Fibrillation is not cardiac arrest. It is fibrillation.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

Indeed. This whole legal fiction of "implied consent" is complete bullshit and nothing more than a conspiracy by the Illuminati to ensure their little tax-generating automatons survive to continue funding the lavishes of the 1%.

Medical care is opt-in except when it comes to near-death experiences. It ought to also be opt-in in these cases. If for some reason you lose consciousness, so be it. You probably deserve to die anyway.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[m2943]

However, there is quite a difference between 2% and 20%. That amounts to quite a number of people who might yet have a few years (or months, as the case may be) to live *with a decent quality of life* - iff no hypoxic brain damage occurs,

No, I'm sorry, but the "20% number" is entirely made up on your part and is implausible. PulsePoint will doubtlessly increase the number of survivors of cardiac arrest. But irreversible brain damage occurs within four minutes after cardiac arrest. In order to prevent brain damage, you have to restore circulation within that amount of time. Look at the map in TFA: PulsePoint calls people from a couple of blocks away, meaning it will take minutes for someone competent to arrive and apply an AED, on top of an unknown number of minutes having elapsed after the cardiac arrest. PulsePoint will almost certainly increase survival, but the vast majority of survivors will still have serious neurological problems.

You never know whether someone you know might fall into the 18% group.

That's not the right question. The right question is: assuming you have a cardiac arrest, what's the probability that your life after resuscitation is going to be one of serious neurological impairment, loss of autonomy, and pain, and do you really want to take that risk. There is little reason to believe that PulsePoint decreases that risk; in fact, it probably increases it. And what makes this worse is that there is currently no reliable way of stopping people from resuscitating you, so more people will be undergoing resuscitation against their will.

You can make your own choices, but my choice is to avoid resuscitation. And I'm saying this to remind you that you should think about this too, rather than blindly believing the Hollywood fiction where someone hits your chest after a heart attack and you get up and walk away as if nothing happened. That fiction is particularly dangerous because there are safe and effective ways of dealing with heart attacks, namely diet and exercise. But it's so much easier to believe in a magic cell phone app, isn't it?

Re: of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

Millions of years of evolution also have given man the ability to overcome his instincts. Food is no different from sex or violence.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[gzuckier]

Your chances of ever recovering full cognitive function after cardiac arrest are less than 2% with current techniques and procedures. You are an "idiot" (to use your words) if you choose a painful, lingering death in a hospital with cognitive impairment over a quick and mostly painless death from cardiac arrest, and that isn't even taking into account the massive financial burden you impose on your family And note that once your brain has been damaged from cardiac arrest, you will probably not be able to make any medical decisions for yourself anymore ever.

The way to deal with cardiac arrest is to avoid it in the first place, through a healthy lifestyle and (if necessary) various implantable devices. It's that kind of preventive care that poor populations don't receive and that we need to improve.

% recovery depends on what your denominator is. if you include the folks who die, then that obviously reduces the percentage who regain full function. if you use the patients who recover as your denominator, the incidence of permanent cognitive defects is more like 30%. http://annals.org/article.aspx... http://www.sciencedirect.com/s... and is related to how quickly you get treatment, which is where this app comes in.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[gzuckier]

Your chances of ever recovering full cognitive function after cardiac arrest are less than 2% with current techniques and procedures. Yup, that's the question the instructors hate. I asked it during my defib class, and you could see the instructor grimace, then a split second of "should I lie?", then the truth. Dfib works better than straight new version CPR only, but only a little.

You are an "idiot" (to use your words) if you choose a painful, lingering death in a hospital with cognitive impairment over a quick and mostly painless death from cardiac arrest, and that isn't even taking into account the massive financial burden you impose on your family

Having seen just that with my mother, who died instantly, versus the other parents who lingered way too long, I gotta say she won the death lottery. Healthy, then boom - outa here.

And note that once your brain has been damaged from cardiac arrest, you will probably not be able to make any medical decisions for yourself anymore ever.

The way to deal with cardiac arrest is to avoid it in the first place, through a healthy lifestyle and (if necessary) various implantable devices. It's that kind of preventive care that poor populations don't receive and that we need to improve.

Then again, most of longevity is based upon genetics. Most of the men in my family, without accidents, tend to live to around 85. With maintenance drugs and preventative medical care and a healthy lifestyle, they've extended that to around 85.

No one gets out of here alive. If a person wants to adopt the starving rat life extension protocol, and they are happy doing it, then great. But even then, any extension is on the old end of the scale. screw that, if I'm going to live to 125, I want most of those years to be 30, not living in a nursing home.

Live well, love well, eat well and laugh - it's the ultimate revenge. I'm in it for quality, not quantity.

American medicine is highly slanted towards "heroic" medicine, i.e. giving people at the end of their lives another month or two, often spent in hospital. Both in what we pay doctors for, and in the kind of prestige we give to various specialties. Obviously this is the lowest bang for the buck, even without including quality of life into the math. But the worst part of it is that in doing so, we end up actually doing less on cheap and highly effective but boring stuff, like ensuring that pregnant women get proper nutrition, and vitamins if necessary, than other countries do, thereby guaranteeing that we have a good percentage of low birth weight babies, which we then save via more heroic medicine, and they end up with a lifetime of health problems.
If you break those "life expectancy by country" tables down by age bracket, you see that our worst performance is with newborns and infants, and as people get older our relative performance improves, until if you make it to over 65 we do provide longest life expectancy from that point on.
Which perfectly explains how we end up spending the most per capita and providing the lowest life expectancy over all.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[gzuckier]

Calorie restriction does not really extend maximum lifespan, but it does improve quality of life throughout the lifespan (age-related degeneration, both physical and mental, is slowed by about 1/3 throughout the entire life, not simply extending the lifespan).

Like most of the "healthy lifestyle" stuff, like not smoking, getting exercise, etc. which all tends to keep you healthy and active longer in your old age, despite the usual detractors' claim that "it just extends the years you spend old and sick". Extending the years you spend old and sick is what doctors are for.
The idea that "I would rather enjoy myself in my youth than spend more years old and sick" falls apart after you've seen enough 50 year olds with COPD on oxygen who can't climb a flight of stairs any more.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[gzuckier]

The thing is, with proper first aid (to wit, competently done CPR from the get-go), the "reasonable recovery" rate is significantly higher than just 2%. Of course, it is important to realise that with current medical technology, it will never get any higher than ~20% or so. I have the 20% figure from a cardiologist: according to him, 80% of cardiac arrest cases are for reasons that are lethal with our current medical capabilities anyway: even with the best pre-clinical care possible, these will not result in a positive outcome (that is, anything other than, at "best", lingering death).

However, there is quite a difference between 2% and 20%. That amounts to quite a number of people who might yet have a few years (or months, as the case may be) to live *with a decent quality of life* - iff no hypoxic brain damage occurs, that is. So investing effort into improving pre-clinical medical care (and in particular, competent first responders) is not wasted. You never know whether someone you know might fall into the 18% group.

The more unexpected the cardiac arrest, the less likely the recovery. The healthy athletic 30 year old who drops dead is least likely to recover even with rapid treatment, whereas the person who is an obvious risk for cardiac arrest and has maybe already had one or more is most often susceptible to being jump started. It makes a certain kind of sense, if you're not abusing the machinery and it blows up anyway, it clearly has some intrinsic physical flaw that dooms you,

Re: of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[gzuckier]

Millions of years of evolution also have given man the ability to overcome his instincts. Food is no different from sex or violence.

Yes, in that the average person is completely useless at saying no to any of them.

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Ol Olsoc]

American medicine is highly slanted towards "heroic" medicine, i.e. giving people at the end of their lives another month or two, often spent in hospital. Both in what we pay doctors for, and in the kind of prestige we give to various specialties. Obviously this is the lowest bang for the buck, even without including quality of life into the math.

As an example of that, my mother in law racked up at least 675,000 dollars in medical treatment in the last year of her life. It was actually more, but 675,000 is what I can verify. All of th eother costs put together probably made it a million.

All this for a woman who was uffering form dementia, was either in a wheelchair or bedridden. Whne she had a lucid moment - about once a month, she expressed the desire to die. Other times she was an unhappy crying dementia patient.

If you break those "life expectancy by country" tables down by age bracket, you see that our worst performance is with newborns and infants, and as people get older our relative performance improves, until if you make it to over 65 we do provide longest life expectancy from that point on.

The insurance system is pretty well rigged that way. Interestingly enough, despite the average age of death has risen, the endpoints have not. Which reminds me, I saw a commercial aimed at millenials talking about a retirement plan and how they'll live to 140. Not in the cards, young'uns.

Which perfectly explains how we end up spending the most per capita and providing the lowest life expectancy over all.

And I laugh every time a politician claims that we have the best healthcare system in the world.....

Re:of course: more revenue for doctors, hospitals

[Anonymous Coward]

Your chances of ever recovering full cognitive function after cardiac arrest are less than 2% with current techniques and procedures

Citation needed.

I personally know 6 people that had heart attacks and are at full cognitive and physical function. If it were 2% the odds of that happening are basically non-existent.

You must have confused stroke with cardiac arrest because you are fucking retarded.

Re:Slashdot equivalent

[Anonymous Coward]

They don't need an app for that- just post a story and there you are!

They're solving the wrong problem

[Anonymous Coward]

The last two times the chain of restaurants I work for called 911 in Seattle, no one showed up. In both cases, someone else with them ended-up driving them to the hospital after giving up on waiting for an ambulance. Also, the Seattle PD won't respond to most crimes now, even those in progress. The cash register in our bar got smashed and when we called while it was happening, the police told us to come in to file a report.

Lifesaver/CPR apps are huge success

[Anonymous Coward]

This is great news indeed! There are very few apps like these but the projects that exists have been proven very successful :-)

Eg. http://www.umsalert.com/new-services/sms-lifesaver-app/
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=no.ums.smslivraddare2

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