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US Agency Lines Up Broad Support For ICANN Transition (pcworld.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from PCWorld: A U.S. agency has lined up broad support for its plan to end the government's oversight of the Internet's domain name system, despite opposition from some Republicans in Congress. The U.S. National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA) on Thursday released statements of support for a plan to end its oversight of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). Among supporters of a plan, developed by the ICANN community, to transition ICANN's domain name coordination functions to a multistakeholder governance model are Amazon.com, Google, Cisco Systems, Microsoft, Facebook, Hewlett Packard Enterprise, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and the Computer and Communications Industry Association. NTIA on Thursday announced it had reviewed the community proposal and found it meets the agency's criteria for allowing the ICANN privatization plan to move forward. The community plan maintains the openness of the Internet and maintains the security and stability of the DNS, said NTIA Administrator Lawrence Strickling. It does not replace NTIA's oversight with another government organization, he said, although that's been a fear of some critics of the NTIA plan. On Wednesday, Ted Cruz proposed a bill, the Protecting Internet Freedom Act, that would prohibit the U.S. government from relinquishing its role with respect to overseeing the web's domain name system (DNS), unless explicitly authorized by Congress.

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  1. This is just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having ICANN't run itself? That's a swell plan. Having it "governed" by a bunch of big companies? Yay, more bickering. Once upon a time the internet was there for its users. No more. Meet the new olichargs. You had the chance to do right, you fucked up instead. Thanks, Strickling.

    1. Re:This is just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only real failing of ICANN has been the failure to reclaim IPv4 space from the Class A holders. All those /8 spaces should be divvied up.

      Given that those companies could be sharding those spaces and selling/leasing that space, but aren't, kind of hints as to the lack of sensible behavior we'll see by spinning off ICANN to a bunch of corporations.

      As for ICANN running itself, well, there's certainly no incentive for any corporation to take it over or somehow subvert the authority for their own benefit.

      Having the US government run it may suck, but it's probably the least sucky solution all round. They did build the damn thing in the first place, and haven't done a terrible job.

      Just remember, boys and girls, privatization of a utility generally doesn't result in better service for the end-users, but does result in some people making a huge pile of money.

    2. Re:This is just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just remember, boys and girls, nationalizing a utility generally doesn't result in better service for the end users because there's little incentive to innovate.

    3. Re:This is just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > bunch of big companies

      The real funny part of it is how those call themselves "Communities" these days.

      Ministry of Love. Ministry of Truth.

    4. Re:This is just great by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      The only real failing of ICANN has been the failure to reclaim IPv4 space from the Class A holders. All those /8 spaces should be divvied up.

      This discussion has been done to death and every time it's been shown to be a waste of time and effort. The "burn rate" for IPv4 addresses outstrips the number of IPv4 addresses that could even potentially have been reclaimed in this manner was (and still is) such that it would, at most, have bought just months before complete exhaustion - and that still didn't really take into account the explosive demand for connectivity in China, India and other countries, or for the growing demand for mobile data (not just phones) and IoT type devices. ICANN made absolutely the right decision not to bother attempting this; it would have been expensive (you just *know* lawyers would have got involved), time consuming, mostly futile, and wouldn't have provided any real benefit anyway.

      Given that you mention "some people making a huge pile of money" in connection with ICANN's failings, I'm rather surprised you didn't being up ICANN's decision to open up the gTLD system without any form of sane oversight/control of what new registrars were able to do to at least try and prevent the overwhelming majority of them becoming the cesspits they are. That essentially pointless cash grab is definitely one of ICANN's failings, and one that's likely to get a whole lot worse now that the inherent bias of an English language using oversight committee has been removed; I'm fulling expecting to see non-roman script equivalents of all those malware peddling gTLDs - run by equally incompetent and shady registrars - coming on line within a matter of months.

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    5. Re:This is just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, no. ICANN't has done a number of bullshit things and this has been painfully clear to the point of various people to try and fix it somehow for at least a decade. All of this has failed. The latest few rounds have instead descended into complete farce, with ICANN't repeatedly seeking to reassure everybody that yes it can be trusted and yes having it govern itself is a good idea, only turn around and stab everybody in the back, preferrably in the next sentence. And those corporations not able to subvert it? Haven't you looked at, just to name one, the "internet.org" teh zuck vehicle to try and own the poor that he's trying to fob off the cost of to poor countries' governments? If you tried this sarcasm thing then you didn't communicate it very well.

      The problem with the USg trying to run the show is that they come up with boneheaded moves like trying to have the people that make ICANN't run the show for them. It wouldn't be so bad if only for the consistently bad things the USg is doing to the rest of the world to the point that nobody except Americans still trust Americans. For this reason having a world-wide outfit be US-based or even USg-affiliated is a Bad Move. To have a proven untrustworthy outfit govern itself is a Worse Move. So the message is exactly that this is going to Suck, and it's going to Suck For Reasons.

      And no, the USg didn't really build the thing in the first place. They more or less acquiesced having it be built and only stepped in when it got too uppity and tried to run itself cooperatively. There's the Postel story.

      There is a way to do this right, but it doesn't involve Strickling, nor ICANN't governing itself, nor the ITU, nor the UN. What it is? It's simple, once you see it obvious even, but there is a price that no American is going to want to pay. Necessary, though. Or, you know, we could keep on muddling on and never really get anywhere. Barry oughta call me, if he cares. He has my number.

    6. Re:This is just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just remember, boys and girls, nationalizing a utility generally doesn't result in better service for the end users because there's little incentive to innovate.

      That is a gross simplification of the matter.
      The incentive to innovate comes from competition regardless of if the utility is nationalized or privatized.
      If competition can't be ensured you are better off with a nationalized utility, otherwise you will have a requirement of ever increasing profit margins without competition holding it back. Anything is better than that option.
      If the number of companies involved are few enough to memorize then they are few enough to collaborate. If they are few enough to keep track of each other then no-one will be willing to rock the boat.
      The article doesn't give a complete list of companies involved which is a good sign, but unless the complete list is long enough to contain companies you haven't heard of it is very unlikely that this will turn out well.

    7. Re:This is just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just remember, boys and girls, nationalizing a utility generally doesn't result in better service for the end users because there's little incentive to innovate.

      QUACK
      No-think is goodthink. /QUACK

    8. Re: This is just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, so why is European infrastructure so much better than American?

    9. Re:This is just great by Lennie · · Score: 1

      Giving back a /8 adds about 1 month of not 'running out' of IPv4, really it's not that important.

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    10. Re: This is just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because European business demands it as a price for allowing various regimes to exist.

      American businesses would rather offshore activities that require good infrastructure. Easier that way.

    11. Re:This is just great by silentcoder · · Score: 2

      >Just remember, boys and girls, nationalizing a utility generally doesn't result in better service for the end users because there's little incentive to innovate.

      Just remember, boys and girls, it's impossible to "nationalize" something that was built by government in the first place. You cannot take from the private sector that which the private sector has never had.

      And I say this as somebody who is strongly in favor of this move - and defended it hugely in yesterday's story about Cruz's opposition. This is a good move, but I would prefer that instead of a bunch of corporations the control shift to an international coalition of non-profit non-governmental organisations. I even suggested that the US be represented by the EFF and the ACLU.

      This is a job where both corporations and governments are imminently untrustable. Mind you that describes just about every job ever, but in this case it is even more critical than usual.

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    12. Re: This is just great by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      You misspelled "They have good infrastructure because anyone earning over $50,000 pays 50% on their taxes."

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    13. Re:This is just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AFLAC

    14. Re:This is just great by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 4, Informative

      Their doing a pretty shitty job with IPv6 too. I recently got the run-around with ICANN / AT&T trying to get IPv6 PTR records fixed. I was implementing a postfix server on an external IP, and google kept giving me "this message does not meet IPv6 sending guidelines regarding PTR 550-5.7.1 records and authentication. " This sent me down a rabbit hole, contacting AT&T and ICANN. AT&T said the SOA of my assigned IP was with ICANN, ICANN said the v6 was a multicast and AT&T needed to fix that...which then AT&T said the only was to fix it was to sign up for their "Managed Services" and pay them more $$$. This whole "we must transition to IPv6!" is being co-opted by corps into a non-technical money grab. I pay extra $$$ per month ALREADY for my subnet, apparently this doesn't cover IPv6.

      As it turns out, the REAL issue was implementing IPv6 on the mail server, adding my client's external IPv6 address into the postfix relay conf, and then it started working. Google is misleading with their "PTR" message; it can be fixed without SOA PTR. If anyone is curious, I made a tutorial on my site on how to figure out your IPv6, the conf files to edit, etc.

    15. Re:This is just great by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      My thought is....

      What does the US possibly stand to GAIN by relinquishing control over this?

      If there is no net gain for us, they why give it up?

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    16. Re: This is just great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because European infrastructure is managed better.

    17. Re:This is just great by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

      My thought is....

      What does the US possibly stand to GAIN by relinquishing control over this?

      If there is no net gain for us, they why give it up?

      How about respect in the international community. Oh, sorry. The US doesn't care about that kind of thing.

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    18. Re:This is just great by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Having ICANN't run itself?

      Wait what??

      A can of can't??? A can of can't???

      This is a local shop, for local people. Theres nothing for you here.

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    19. Re:This is just great by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Treating DNS as a key to free speech around the world, and protecting from the commercial abuse and deceit of DNS wildcards or the riduculous number of toplevel domains, would gain even more respect.

    20. Re:This is just great by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      How about respect in the international community. Oh, sorry. The US doesn't care about that kind of thing.

      No...we really don't care what the rest of the world thinks about us....why should we?

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    21. Re:This is just great by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      How about respect in the international community. Oh, sorry. The US doesn't care about that kind of thing.

      No...we really don't care what the rest of the world thinks about us....why should we?

      Of course, you have the worlds 'best' military, you don't need to care what they think any more than the school bully needs to care what other kids think of them.

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  2. Bill naming conventions by martinux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In which we recognise the benefit of the bill to society is inversely proportional to how beneficial the name of the bill suggests it is.

    1. Re:Bill naming conventions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IN US, it's always the opposite of what ever the name suggests.
      It's like some type of "new speak" you guys got there.

    2. Re:Bill naming conventions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm hoping this year they propose the Guns And Drugs Everywhere Act, the Helping Mothers Kill Babies Act, and the Stealing From Productive Businesses Act.

  3. Time to fork the net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Net protocols, new dns system.

    1. Re:Time to fork the net by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Net protocols, new dns system.

      Yep, some form of distributed DNS system will be a good idea. Expect to see it start happening in the next 6mo and gaining adaption and the countries who are pro-authoritarian or demanding everyone use a government ID to go online(S.Korea, EU, etc) to try making it illegal.

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    2. Re:Time to fork the net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A distributed name system you say?

      One where multiple different registrars maintain their own lists of names?

      But how will I differentiate one name from another? Oh, I know, we could make the names hierarchical.

      But then how do I decide which registrars exist?

      Ah, there could be a single global authority that decides, giving one to each nation state and then others to unobjectionable proposals that are able to pay their way.

      Oh right, that's the model we have today. Well no I'm sure your thing will be _brilliant_

    3. Re:Time to fork the net by glitch! · · Score: 1

      Yep, some form of distributed DNS system will be a good idea. Expect to see it start happening in the next 6mo and gaining adaption and the countries who are pro-authoritarian or demanding everyone use a government ID to go online(S.Korea, EU, etc) to try making it illegal.

      I have been thinking about this for some time. My first idea was how to deal with the problem of when governments dictate to the root servers that domains should be erased or the nameservers changed, against the will of the domain owners. I was thinking of changes to nameservers so that they keep a historical database of changes in the IP addresses of a domain's nameservers and some way for end users to add some token to a domain name to indicate they want to use the older (correct) nameservers instead of the current (stolen) ones.

      Now I am wondering if it would be possible to have a parallel DNS system where a blockchain broadcasts changes in the root DNS information (domain name to nameserver IP) and the domain owners sign changes so that everyone knows that the change is authentic. To willingly transfer a domain, the owner could give the signing keys to the new owner. As a parallel system, a caching resolver could first look in the blockchain, and if the domain is not participating, then go to the root servers. One obvious issue is how the real owners would prove initial ownership when registering with the new system. Maybe proving that they control the domain by creating a specific host record in that domain?

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  4. "...despite opposition from some Republicans" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, some Democrats also oppose this bill. So, I guess there is opposition from both Democrats and Republicans, but you only mention the Republicans, presumably to make them sound "evil". Congratulations!! You've officially arrived as a member of the press!!

    1. Re: "...despite opposition from some Republicans" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah? My name is Jupiter. Shut the fuck up.

    2. Re: "...despite opposition from some Republicans" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My name is Thor

      Let me guess, you converted in prison? At least you're not called Muhammad.

    3. Re: "...despite opposition from some Republicans" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lulz. Black guys go into prison as Tyrone and always come out Mohammed.

      Rol.!

    4. Re: "...despite opposition from some Republicans" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in America. I am not American. I thought that was obvious..

  5. Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the US does legislate 'control of the Internet', they immediately lose that because it'll provoke the rest of the world into setting up an alternative.

    It's only been the light touch so far and various US TLA's not being caught dicking with DNS so far that's kept a semblance of US control.

    1. Re:Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it'll provoke the rest of the world into setting up an alternative.

      The rest of the world wasn't smart enough to do this in the first place.

  6. Abolitionist here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    On one hand, the US actually has abused its control over DNS. It has revoked domain names for political reasons.
    On the other hand, there is good reason to believe other countries would be even worse.
    Ultimately, I think ICANN is a weakness in the internet architecture that should never have existed. Rather than handing it over, it should be abolished altogether.

  7. Microsoft again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... maintains the openness of the Internet and maintains the security and stability of the DNS ...

    Until they invent DNS version 3, which is not backwardly compatible, propriety, and of course, licensed per computing device, per year. The 'community' will give themselves, unlimited, in perpetuity, licenses.

  8. RFC 2468 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  9. Re: frist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apps! Round spheres need nigger apps!

  10. There is no "ICANN Community" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That word community. Sounds caring sharing doesn't it? ICANN is technically a non-profit. In reality it's been a huge gravy train for all aboard. You can see that in all the ridiculous top level domain names they've spat out which have created a lot of confusion and added no real value but lined the pockets of ICANN's staff and partner businesses. So let us ditch the bullshit pure and simple: these latest changes are new ways for them to make money.

    1. Re:There is no "ICANN Community" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copied from https://www.jerrypournelle.com...

      Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself. Examples in education would be teachers who work and sacrifice to teach children, vs. union representative who work to protect any teacher including the most incompetent. The Iron Law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions.

  11. Re:Bad idea by silentcoder · · Score: 2

    Interesting thing to note: I know Americans can never contemplate the idea that anybody may have freedom who isn't American let alone have MORE freedom in some ways but just bare with me okay. Here in my country - guess who does NOT run the country TLD. That's right - the government. They have no control over the TLD assigned to the country.
    When they tried to claim it was theirs to control - the people who do control it (a non-profit) shifted it to a foreign server and a massive revolt made the government back down very fast.
    They also don't control any of the core second-level subdomains beneath the country TLD. In fact, none of THOSE are for profit entitites EITHER - they are all run by non-profit charities. When I say charities I mean it, the commercial subdomain rests with it's only registrar -a non-profit, the result is that the cost of a domain here is less than 10% of what it costs to register a .com and despite that the charity has too much money. They buy infrastructure, expand infrastructure, maintain it and pay salaries and still have cash left over - which they spend on charity projects, I managed quite a few of those which were about providing technology access to some of the poorest schools on earth.

    It's perfectly possible for key DNS infrastructure to be managed perfectly with neither government NOR corporate control - neither socialist nor profiteering motives - and the ENTIRE country has gotten NOTHING but benefit from this arrangement. No negative side effects observable whatsoever.

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  12. If it is not broken, why fix it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The system is working and working fine. If other countries want to manage a DNS they should build their own Internet.

  13. we all fooked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this planet s just foookng dooomed

    i hope trump ends it

  14. Re:Bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bare with me

    Are you a nudist?

  15. Re:Bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better then had the person said "bear with me"... Then you may have to fear that he had a drunk Russian bear trained to do his bidding.

  16. Don't pretend it's government oversight by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    ICANN became a corporation - in every meaningful sense of the word - some time ago. They stopped acting like a government organization long ago and have focused on profit for years now. The "leaders" of ICANN entered into a machine that was fairly effective and orderly, now they have created dysfunctional chaos and arbitrary mish-mash instead. While the government isn't a fix-all, a cat walking across a keyboard repeatedly could make decisions that would be equally as beneficial as the idiots running ICANN.

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  17. Most of the world FAR less free than the US by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know Americans can never contemplate the idea that anybody may have freedom who isn't American let alone have MORE freedom

    A few places are comparably free, but the vast majority of the world's population, regretfully, continues to live under regimes considerably more oppressive than the US. And I'm not talking just the usual suspects — like China or Russia — generally respectable places like India can be quite intolerant of unpopular opinions and authoritarian in controlling the information networks. It may seem crazy to Americans, but Germans and Brits, for another example, routinely get arrested simply for saying the wrong things on social media — in the US attempts to criminalize "hate speech" are still duly resisted.

    Not to mention certain sunny locales, where one's had can be removed for apostasy.

    Reducing America's control over the Internet will — inevitably and by definition — increase the share of control by these governments.

    We've seen this before — UN's "Human Rights Council" is a good example of it. All of the things about it, that the so called "Liberals", dismiss as "myths", are actually quite true. It will happen to the Internet's governance — inasmuch as it needs any — as well.

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    1. Re:Most of the world FAR less free than the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "White guilt". We're not finished yet destroying Western civilization. We need more time, bear with us please.

    2. Re:Most of the world FAR less free than the US by quintus_horatius · · Score: 1

      Right yeah, the US is a world leader. This would be the US that still _murders children_ and calls that justice. The US that runs an illegal torture camp and says it shouldn't need to try people in court to find them guilty, because it has "proof" they're guilty, it just can't show that to anyone because it's secret proof.

      The US where cops can take anything they want, and that's "lawful seizure", kill anyone they want and that's "self-defence", but it's OK because there's "due resistance" in the form of crazy people with guns causing even more murder but they're "citizens" so that's all right then.

      Both you and the grandparent can be correct at the same time. The US government does have a rather poor human rights record. It's not much better than a large majority of the world's governments in that regard. Some state governments within the US have taken liberties that do appear to run counter to the Bill of Rights — and the courts are still examining that.

      You should also consider, however, that the US government still does not have legal powers that other "free" countries' governments take for granted. (The most glaring example that comes to mind are the omnipresent surveillance cameras in "free" Britain, but you're free to look around and see other problems in other countries.) The Bill of Rights still holds some power and curtails the right of the government to curtail citizens' rights.

      So you are correct and the GP is correct, and at the same time.

      Get over yourselves. You're a backwater that thinks because it diverts most of its resources into military might that makes it morally superior.

      Well, except for that. That's your opinion, which in the US you're free to have, but lets keep the discussion focused on facts. The only fact is that the US does spend a lot on the military. You don't even know if the GP is from the US.

    3. Re:Most of the world FAR less free than the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the United States that is doing that, It's the few people that have hijacked the government. For example, if somebody car jacks a vehicle with a family in it, then he drives the vehicle into a crowd of people, the family inside didn't do it, they are not to blame.

  18. Re:Bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here's the thing.

    ICANN transition isn't going to be to some benevolent non-profit like it is where you are. It's going to be a worst of all worlds situation.

    Expect:
    1) The religious freedom of Saudi Arabia
    2) The political freedom of North Korea
    3) The IP freedom of the United States

  19. Damn it, Ted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I kind of support Ted in this, but I wish he realized that allowing other parties to mess with DNS servers is the same as allowing them to mess with bandwidth and routing. Local ISPs could easily extort websites by blackholing their domains until they pay up.

    The only way to prevent this is by regulation.

  20. Re:Bad idea by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    >Are you a nudist?

    Sometimes. And I find that debates are much more enjoyable when everybody is naked. Some people you can admire while they talk, others you can laugh at. Just imagine how much more informative the republican primary debates would have been had the participants been naked ? Instead of arguing about who has the biggest hands as a proxy for penis size, we could have just seen who has the biggest dick. Instead people got it backwards and voted for the guy who WAS the biggest dick.

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  21. Re:Bad idea by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    And your evidence for this is ... what exactly ?
    I mean, I think you were trying to use a slippery-slope fallacy but if so you didn't even do that very well since you failed to show any slope.

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