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Facebook Adds SMS Support To Messenger (techcrunch.com)

Facebook Messenger already lets you send texts to your friends and other billion people on the social network, and also make voice calls and video calls. The social juggernaut is now also introducing support for SMS messages. The move comes a day after Apple introduced several new features to its Message app. Facebook Messenger used to have SMS functionality, but it was pulled in 2013 citing low usage. The feature is currently only available on Messenger for Android. TechCrunch reports: Users on any platform can receive SMS sent through Messenger, and they won't be able to tell it wasn't sent from a standard texting app. But since Apple doesn't provide as much flexibility for developers, iOS provides no option to change your SMS client, and there are no plans to bring this Facebook feature to the iPhone.In some other news, Facebook's move to retire messaging feature from its mobile website has irked Ubuntu Phone users.

60 comments

  1. I hope they fail. by danbob999 · · Score: 3

    I hope Facebook, Apple, and all others closed-down, proprietary messaging protocols will fail and that open standards will win.

    1. Re: I hope they fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will.

    2. Re: I hope they fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They won't. Consumers need to make the choice, and they already have. Most people flit from walled garden to walled garden as their social network does. Text is the only federated chat medium, and that is being coopted by the likes of WhatsApp using text for auth.

      The fight is over, unless you can provide a value-add to customers these services don't. The truth is, for a majority of people, iMessage, Hangouts, FB Messenger, WhatsApp, WeChat, and text are enough. Ideally we'd use a federated, self-hosted solution, but it's simply not convenient enough.

    3. Re:I hope they fail. by Old97 · · Score: 1

      Apple provides end to end encryption and better abilities to keep spam out, partly due to its being proprietary. Some third party applications also provide these features. I don't know what Facebook will do, but when you are communicating with SMS using its messaging they change the background color from blue to green so that you know your texting in the clear. What "open standard" apps offer this?

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    4. Re:I hope they fail. by halivar · · Score: 1

      Do you know what SMS is?

    5. Re:I hope they fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple provides end to end encryption and better abilities to keep spam out, partly due to its being proprietary. Some third party applications also provide these features. I don't know what Facebook will do, but when you are communicating with SMS using its messaging they change the background color from blue to green so that you know your texting in the clear. What "open standard" apps offer this?

      Apple is just another slave to the US government, I wouldn't trust a secret recipe on their system.

    6. Re:I hope they fail. by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you think Apple are slave to the US government you haven't been following the news lately.

    7. Re:I hope they fail. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      I hope Facebook, Apple, and all others closed-down, proprietary messaging protocols will fail and that open standards will win.

      Like IRC? It has been an open standard since 1988 or so. It's low bandwidth. It provides the complete framework one needs for private and group messaging. It was invented in the same country that invented SMS. It's controlled by no central authority and resistant to corporate and governmental censorship.

      And guess what? Nobody uses it.

      I fear that the internet is taking a huge step backwards, with the centralization of power in a handful of powerful for-profit companies. They're fast becoming the new America Online, complete with walled garden, but in many ways they're actually worse than AOL: At least with AOL you were the customer. Facebook's only "customers" are its advertisers and everything they do is ultimately designed to cater to them.

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    8. Re:I hope they fail. by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      I use iMessage, and I don't have many problems with it. But one friend who doesn't have iOS can't join group iMessages, so a group that meets regularly at different locations often plans things without him and sometimes we even forget to notify him.

      Yes, we are bad friends.

      But I'd like to be a better friend by including him. Apple would rather him buy an iPhone.

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    9. Re:I hope they fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think Apple are slave to the US government you haven't been following the news lately.

      Yes, the American news. It was quite believable!

    10. Re:I hope they fail. by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Yes, we are bad friends.

      Well at least you admit it. The surprise is that you only have one of such friends, since Apple only has about 15% market share world wide, and rarely over 40% in its most successful countries (that is, if you don't have friends in other countries).

    11. Re:I hope they fail. by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      Apple provides end to end encryption and better abilities to keep spam out, partly due to its being proprietary.

      Not only they keep spam out, but they also keep 85% of legitimate users out of it too. Any protocol with no users has no spam.

    12. Re: I hope they fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say WhatsApp is the first step at this. But let's look behind the tech. There is no solid way for FaceBook or any cloud based solution provider to create an airtight communications standard that can't be trumped by telecommunications providers.

      Man-in-middle the SSL and store the data themselves. Heck café's with free Wi-Fi can intercept your transmission phone companies can do it.

      As for open standards WhatsApp is just a proprietary XMPP server that ties into your phone contact list. Pretty much does half the work for them.

    13. Re:I hope they fail. by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Well, I only have one such friend in the specific group that gets together. Still you're right, it's kind of surprising even then. But I know plenty of Android users (and was one myself until the grass looked greener... unfortunately it has since browned...).

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    14. Re:I hope they fail. by Old97 · · Score: 1

      They don't keep 55% of users from messaging you because iMessage can send/receive SMS. Non Apple users just don't get the benefits/features of iMessage. If you want the security then you can use a third party (proprietary) messaging app that runs on iOS and Android. My point is that I don't know of an "open standards" app that provides end to end encryption and the other features of iMessage or similar 3rd party apps.

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    15. Re:I hope they fail. by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      They don't keep 55% of users from messaging you because iMessage can send/receive SMS.

      It's not 55% it's 85%, and that's just smartphones. Instant messaging is not limited to phones. Not everyone has a cell phone or want to use it for messaging. Relying on SMS and a phone number is a major issue.
      How do I contact someone on iMessage from my PC? From my non-cellular tablet? What is my cell phone battery is dead but have a perfectly working PC and a real keyboard?

    16. Re:I hope they fail. by Old97 · · Score: 1

      If you had a Mac instead of a PC you wouldn't have that problem. ;) PC users might consider AOL or Yahoo messenger. You can get access from most any device.

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    17. Re:I hope they fail. by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      I would still have that problem with a Mac because I could only communicate with those with an iPhone or a Mac. No thanks. Of all available messaging protocols, iMessage is by far the most limited.

    18. Re:I hope they fail. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use iMessage, and I don't have many problems with it. But one friend who doesn't have iOS can't join group iMessages, so a group that meets regularly at different locations often plans things without him and sometimes we even forget to notify him.

      Fuck it. His loss.

    19. Re:I hope they fail. by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      No, not like IRC. IRC is chat rooms, not instant messaging.

  2. OMEMO/Axolotyl by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Can we get a merge with WhatsApp and federation with Signal? That would make a pretty damn compelling case for switching to FB Messenger (I trust them a hair more than sending messages over SS7).

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    1. Re:OMEMO/Axolotyl by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      The problem with whatsapp is that the user ID is a phone number. It brings many flaws.

  3. "has irked Ubuntu Phone users" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    both of them?!

    1. Re:"has irked Ubuntu Phone users" by danbob999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      not using Ubuntu Phone, but when I used Facebook messaging on my phone, it was through the web. I'm not installing any of their bloated app.

    2. Re:"has irked Ubuntu Phone users" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bloated app that asks for every single permission in the OS.

    3. Re: "has irked Ubuntu Phone users" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      I don't use FB messenger but from time to time I get a message from a distant family member and its pretty inconvenient to not be able to read them through the browser. I use Firefox on Android, and can switch to "Request desktop site" and am able to access messages.

    4. Re: "has irked Ubuntu Phone users" by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Me Either. When Facebook made the change, I looked around and found this app:
      https://play.google.com/store/...
      Sane permissions (internet, camera, location), much smaller footprint.

      10/10 would download again.

    5. Re:"has irked Ubuntu Phone users" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a workaround is to choose to view the site in desktop mode and visit http://m.facebook.com

  4. Slahsdot, news from apps by Pope+Raymond+Lama · · Score: 1

    Stuff that... who cares??

    You get headlines on every little change on every high-profile app, just because.

    Once upon a timewe used to find news around here.

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  5. Deja vu by fieldstone · · Score: 1

    Doesn't anyone remember how the Facebook messenger app used to do this before?

    1. Re:Deja vu by richy+freeway · · Score: 1

      Yeah I've definitely heard it mentioned somewhere before...

  6. Messages through Facebook by phorm · · Score: 1

    So in other words, now in addition to all your Facebook messages, contacts, pictures, and other data, they'll give you the option of sending all your text-message data to their servers for analytics as well...

    1. Re:Messages through Facebook by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Nope. Facebook has been getting this data for years. There's nothing new to be outraged about here.

    2. Re:Messages through Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >has been getting this data for years

      Darwin award goes to thegarbz.

      If you never used Facebook you were never outraged. If you use it now just expect they think you are all too stupid to know better and will abuse you at their will.

  7. The real story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ubuntu phone has users!?!

  8. Oh, boy! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Apparently Facebook wants to collect those additional phone numbers which they haven't been able to get via Find My Friends.

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    1. Re:Oh, boy! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      lol. Implying that this requires a permission that Facebook hasn't had since it first released a phone app.

      Sorry but you kids have cried wolf so long that now I just use it to rock me gently to sleep. Get a clue.

  9. SMS is outdated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So 90s. We all moved to messaging over IP for a reason.

    1. Re: SMS is outdated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If someone had a cell phone in the 90s it probably didn't have sms

  10. OH NOES!!! by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 2

    The FaceBook set are now able to send text messages? Wasn't bad enough that they were poking, prodding and, in general, annoying the F**K out of one another. Now they can like me and friend me by SMS too!!! I can just see Zuck harvesting names and phone numbers for use by his FaceBook hordes to reach out and assimilate us non-members.

    Don't believe me? I recall quite clearly when FaceBook harvested data from domain registries and other sources to use in creating millions of FaceBook business pages, including one for my business, without my permission mind. Following that I was hounded to "claim my page". I did claim it and then went through all the nonsense it actually takes to delete a FaceBook account permanently.

    These #%^@#$@# new-economy types have no scruples, ethics or honor.

    1. Re:OH NOES!!! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      now able to

      Now they

      Sorry to break your rant, but there's no new permissions required for this change. The original Facebook app released with first generation smartphones already had access to your contact list, and it's had access to SMS messages for the good part of 6 years now too.

    2. Re:OH NOES!!! by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

      Not exactly what I was ranting about. I can see a mechanism for FaceBookers to search out old (and new) friends, not on their own contact list being implemented by Zuck. Lost touch with Joey from 3rd grade? No problem we'll send him a text for you right now!

  11. Queue the outrage by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    No surprise here. Less than 20 posts and a good 1/3/rd of them already complaining about how this is just another data grab by Facebook without realising that access to contacts, phone numbers, and messages has been part of the Facebook app since the Facebook app existed.

    *yawn*

    Wake me when someone gets access to something they didn't have before.

    1. Re:Queue the outrage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for those of us who own phones with no Facebook app installed. I have never used the FB app and my Nexus 6P doesn't force it on me like most carrier modified versions of Android. I used to access FB via the browser (FF mobile with AdBlock and Ghostery) but since they decided they don't want me using it unless it was an installed app, I decided FB can F off and quit using it altogether.

  12. How about adding messager support back to their... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook app. I worked there when the decision was made that we weren't competent enough to include messenger support in our app because of the limits on the size of apps that can be downloaded/updated over cell data connections. Apple has relaxed their limits, so it is now possible for even an incompetent company to have enough room to add the chat back. It reflects poorly on them that they just can't seem to make it work.

  13. Re: How about adding messager support back to thei by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the employees that worked on chat in the iOS app have been fired so adding it back would be hard.

  14. Re: How about adding messager support back to thei by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's annoying as hell when the Facebook app tells you that you have a message, but it no longer supports displaying the message!

  15. Re: How about adding messager support back to thei by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That team was let go so it would be hard for them to get that feature working again.

  16. Re: How about adding messager support back to thei by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Other features were deemed more important than fixing chat. Fixing it is not even on our roadmap.

  17. Re: How about adding messager support back to the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And after how they were treated, my roommate was one of them, they'll never be able to talk those employees into returning.

  18. Re:How about adding messager support back to their by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    real gay talk.

  19. OH HI MORE DATA COLLECTION by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They want your voice pattern too. Computers profile voices very easily. Eventually they just tell you what to do.

    1. Re:OH HI MORE DATA COLLECTION by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On top of that when you go to a site like browserspy.dk to test what info your browser is sending to sites you visit, notice google-analytics and gstatic are there ready to scoop up your IP and your screen size, plugins, flash version, browser size, and every other thing possible. They scan your browsers all across the Internet and yes they have the data capacity to store and cross reference with Facebook and pals.

      This includes whatever porno sites you looked at, each video you watched, etc. Oh so you like doggie style Indians eh? We see.

  20. Messenger? Keep it. by emil · · Score: 1

    I'm advising anyone of importance to contact me through other channels. I have Tinfoil forced to desktop mode so I can see anything sent to me.

    I had pondered forcibly enabling messenger in the Facebook APK (for Android), but I really don't want to rely on Facebook corporate anymore. I need to move away from their network.

    I've never advised anyone to load fb-messenger, and I never will.

  21. Too bad it makes the phone unusable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Facebook messenger is by for my most RAM hungry app I had. It makes my entire phone (a HTC One that's only a year old) extremely sluggish to use. Uninstalling it makes everything else run smoothly again. The messenger apparently needs to be running all the time and consume all that RAM even if I haven't used it in days. The Facebook app (not the messenger) is the second most hungry RAM eater. Remove both for a lightning fast phone.

    I really wonder what crazy stuff is going on inside those apps to make them use that much memory. All other messaging apps do fine with much less.

  22. They irked more that just Ubuntu users by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    I use android, but don't want to install Facebook Messenger, or indeed any Facebook apps, on my phone. I was happy enough just using the mobile web site for the few times I used Facebook. There are enough scare stories, true or not, about Facebook that I don't want anything they wrote running on my phone.

    Since they started on this campaign to try to force you to install the messenger app (opening up the Google Play store every time you opened a message) they eventually annoyed me enough to close down my Facebook account. It's not as if they are removing the messenger functionality from their site - my understanding is that it will remain on the desktop site. For me this was a final straw. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

  23. Wow.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....my phones have already been able to do that. So WTF would I want to do that from the FB app (which I don't use)?

  24. Why did the XMPP/Jabber open protocol fail? by schweini · · Score: 1

    A couple of years ago, I was very hopeful that open chat protocols would win - we had Google Talk, WhatsApp, etc. using XMPP (the Jabber protocol) behind the scenes. Some allowed federation (server-to-server connections, allowing inter-network messanges), some didn't. Google was opening libJingle for open source voice (and video?) chats. The demise of closed chat networks seemed imminent.

    But somehow, everything went backwards, and now we have dozens of competing IM networks, all with their own incompatible apps and protocols, competing for users, yet again.
    Anyone have an idea how that happened?