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Elon Musk's Tesla Plans To Acquire Elon Musk's SolarCity For $2.7B In Stock (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via TechCrunch: Today, Elon Musk's electric car and battery company Tesla has announced its offer to buy solar panel installation company SolarCity. Now is a better time than ever to acquire SolarCity, as it recently had its value downgraded. If Tesla does acquire SolarCity, the companies could allow you to outfit your home with solar panels that power a giant battery for your various appliances, such as an electric vehicle. The deal, which has yet to be approved by SolarCity and its board, involves SolarCity's stock being exchanged for Tesla stock. TechCrunch reports that "the deal would pay a premium of 21% to 30% on top of SolarCity's value of $2.14 billion, so Tesla would be buying SolarCity for between $2.59 billion and $2.78 billion worth of its stock." The Tesla team writes, "It's now time to complete the picture. Tesla customers can drive clean cars and they can use our battery packs to help consume energy more efficiently, but they still need access to the most sustainable energy source that's available: the sun." Elon Musk has also been in the news today through OpenAI, the artificial-intelligence non-profit backed by Elon Musk, Amazon Web Services and others. OpenAI announced it is working on creating a physical robot that performs household chores.

55 comments

  1. So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Namedrop much?

    1. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

      From the tone of the article, I think Elon Musk might be involved behind the scenes, pulling the strings.

      Only time with tell.

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    2. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      This is how you cash in. Use stockholder money to buy your own company. IF Telsa stock is expected to drop, then the sooner you do it the better, and you don't have to worry about insider trading rules.

    3. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone Musk ask the question.

    4. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know SolarCity was a Musk joint. It always seemed scammy as hell, so I'm not surprised.

    5. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And both companies have never been profitable.

      SolarCity is an interesting enterprise. Its existence is wholly dependent on federal and state subsidies, more than $400 million in federal tax credits so far. Since the company is the one that owns the solar equipment, it gets the subsidy rather than their residential and business customers with 20 year leases. They don't even have their own installers, they contract for that service and they have a significant number of cases with incorrect installations. It is a great scam.

    6. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      This is how you cash in. Use stockholder money to buy your own company.

      This is a stock transaction. No money is changing hands.

    7. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the tone of the article, I think Elon Musk might be involved behind the scenes, pulling the strings.

      Then it sounds like he's committed fraud.

    8. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Profit is only one part of the equation. Both companies have been channeling their resources into expansion and their net worth is now measured in billions of dollars. Teslas Gigafactory alone is expected to be worth $5 Billion. As far as subsidies, try to find a major company that doesn't receive significant tax breaks from the government. Boeing alone has received $13 Billion over the last decade or so.

    9. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I understand the process.
      Isn't it just moving one cell in some Excel sheet?

    10. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solar city mainly sells now and they also mainly facilitate homeowners access to the tax credit. Nice try.

    11. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      From the tone of the article, I think Elon Musk might be involved behind the scenes, pulling the strings.

      Only time with tell.

      Seems that investors are quite concerned with this deal. Musk is the kind of person that plans is moves very far in advance. It's just not obvious why he is doing this.

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    12. Re:So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this? by aicrules · · Score: 1

      How do you figure this leads to that?

  2. I need to see the negotiations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Elon Musk: So do we have a deal?

    [Elon gets up from his seat at one end of a massive conference table where he is flanked by lawyers, and walks around to the other end, where he sits down, flanked by other lawyers.]

    Elon Musk: We have an agreement.

    [Elon Musk gets up, crosses to the middle of the room, and shakes his own hand to the cheers of his fellows.]

    1. Re:I need to see the negotiations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Elon Musk gets up, crosses to the middle of the room, and shakes his own hand to the cheers of his lawyers.]

      FTFY.

  3. New Name... by Thelasko · · Score: 4, Funny
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    1. Re:New Name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Musk Industries. Because it pretty much stinks.

    2. Re:New Name... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you smell a rat.

      Muskrat Industries

  4. This is common in Silicon Valley by comrade1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's common for a successful company to buy out investors in an unsuccessful company as a way to move value out of the sham higher value company directly into the lower value company, because, of course, they'd rhe same investors. It's a way to get a pay off early without selling off your tesla stock. Same thing happened with the YouTube buyout by Google. The VC firm that funded both companies wanted a payoff even though at the time the deal made no sense.

    1. Re:This is common in Silicon Valley by kwerle · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah - it's a shame that deal didn't work out for any of the involved parties.

    2. Re:This is common in Silicon Valley by mbkennel · · Score: 1

      So, as an insider of Tesla he can't easily sell lots of Tesla stock.

      But as an insider of Solar City, he can sell without consequences the newly-acquired Tesla stock as soon as his Solar City shares are converted?

      He needs money for a divorce too. That was a bad investment.

    3. Re:This is common in Silicon Valley by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      It is really all about the concept of a residential power solution. You can not sell just a branded battery, with a hodge podge for everything else, the panels, the inverter and the installation. To properly brand and create the concept of a long term investment, that the next property buyer can have confidence in, you need a single branded system. So it is say a, Tesla 1000X power system, with a long term investment value of ? depreciating annually at ? or a Tesla 10,000XXX system, all done by licensed installers with the entire system backed by warranties. This versus a hodge podge of unknown Chinese panels and a Mexican inverter, hooked up to a Tesla battery (all hooked up by unknown backyarders), what is that system worth on the resale of a house, how much do you devalue the worth of the battery, especially in terms of marketing versus what you can promote in resale terms with a complete branded system. So not just the value of the electricity you are generating but also the added resale value of your property, giving real worth to that investment.

      So straight up economic and marketing sense, it was bound to happen. Keep in mind all the other major home power solutions manufacturers will do the same thing for the same reasons. You must sell a complete package, including regulated installations to ensure you can market and promote the long term investment of a home power solution.

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  5. Does he actually own all of these companies? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    When something is sold between separate companies controlled by one person, it might be for sound reasons of strategy or synergy.

    ROFL.

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    1. Re:Does he actually own all of these companies? by xfizik · · Score: 1

      Or fraud and tax evasion.

    2. Re:Does he actually own all of these companies? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      How would it be possible to evade any taxes? It isn't like Musk can go sell the new Tesla stocks and not pay any taxes on them.

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  6. and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....it would basically be so expensive that nobody buy wealthy people could afford the battery/panel/installation combination in the first place.

    The problem with Elon's visions is they only ever benefit rich people, and as such have no chance of ever changing the world since the vast majority of people can't benefit from it.

    1. Re:and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the world is for the rich, the surfs are to till the land.

    2. Re:and... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Yes, the surf only goes 'til the land. Until global warming raises the sea level, of course.

  7. What happens to the common schmucks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happens to all the common folk who own stock in Solar City?

    1. Re: What happens to the common schmucks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They would now own Tesla stock.

  8. Need a Musk-free day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would it be too much to ask for a Musk-free day in the news? Enough with Musk this, Musk that, Musk poops golden eggs propaganda, he's an attention whore, I get it, but enabling him to this degree is simply ridiculous.

    1. Re:Need a Musk-free day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely not.

      Slashdot loves the rich, heady earthy scent of felching a demagogue.

  9. Weyland-Yutani by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    Made manifest. Progress.

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  10. Well, Elon Musk is cerainly getting his money's... by Nova+Express · · Score: 0

    ...worth from his investment in BeauHD for Slashdot's front page today...

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  11. Re: Trump 2016 by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    In the far-right and the wrong direction.

  12. "most sustainable energy source that's available: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wanna see solar power sustain through the dust clouds of a super volcano or a large meteor strike. You can't maintain underground greenhouses without nuclear power.

  13. In a SHOCKING DEVELOPMENT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Elon Musk moves money from bank account A to bank account B, stay tuned for live updates after the break

  14. Re: Trump 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Benghazi is so last week, keep up with wikileaks will you.

  15. Re: So where does mr. Elon Musk figure in all this by AuMatar · · Score: 1

    Value is. Investors of Tesla are diluted and investors of solar city will make money. Musk well most likely end up owning more of the combined company than he did before the deal.

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  16. Re:"most sustainable energy source that's availabl by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    Nuclear isn't sustainable, solar is for the duration of life on Earth. Just like oil we have a finite amount of nuclear fuel, we should save it in case we end up with no other way to go to other solar systems than to putt along on generational ships.

  17. Re:"most sustainable energy source that's availabl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nuclear isn't sustainable, solar is for the duration of life on Earth. Just like oil we have a finite amount of nuclear fuel, we should save it in case we end up with no other way to go to other solar systems than to putt along on generational ships.

    that's stupid. Nuclear is sustainable for centuries, far longer than anyone would care to analyze.

    Solar does not meet the power demand cycle and without any reasonable scale energy storage is untenable, takes up too much space for the power it generates, is expensive to maintain (the frames need constant corrosion resistance maintenance), and thus ultimately underserves it's promise.

  18. Charging battery to later charge car's battery by Kartu · · Score: 1

    Doesn't that scream "inefficient"?

    PS
    Oh, Li-Ion charge efficiency is close to 100%, never mind... ^^
    http://liionbms.com/pdf/Elithi...

  19. Good Solar City Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone have a good solar city experience? Everything that I have read about them seems to be negative. From over promising and underdelivering, to Customer service nightmares. Just curious because I'm interested in solar and these guys have presences in the homer stores around herem

  20. Glad I'm not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a Tesla shareholder.

  21. Re:he STINKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Successful countries are not run by the riff-raff.

  22. Next: Tesla gun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will wait until he buys some military equipment company

    1. Re: Next: Tesla gun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The man has access to orbit, ostensibly he already has a military capability. A guided chunk of mass re-entering from orbit can do plenty of damage, anywhere, cheaply.

  23. Re:"most sustainable energy source that's availabl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hehehe :)) so solar is expensive because frames need corrosion resistance but nuclear isn't ? (because nuclear does not have any maintanance cost ?) :DDD