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FCC Says TV Airwaves Being Sold For Wireless Use Are Worth $86.4 Billion (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: The U.S. Federal Communications Commission said on Wednesday the price of 126 MHz of television airwaves taken from broadcasters to be sold for wireless use in an ongoing auction is $86.4 billion. The FCC disclosed the price in a statement after completing the first part of an auction to repurpose low-frequency wireless spectrum relinquished by television broadcasters. The so-called "broadcast incentive" spectrum auction is one of the commission's most complex and ambitious to date. In this round, called a reverse auction, broadcasters competed to give up spectrum to the FCC for the lowest price. In the next stage, the forward auction, wireless and other companies will bid to buy the airwaves for the highest price. If wireless companies are unwilling to pay $86.4 billion, the FCC may have to hold another round of bidding by broadcasters and sell less spectrum than had been expected, analysts said. The Wall Street Journal points out that $86.4 billion is more than the market cap of T-Mobile and Spring combined. It's roughly double the amount raised in the last FCC auction, where ATT spent $18.2 billion and Verizon spent $10.4 billion. It's highly likely we'll see multiple rounds stretching into 2017 that will eventually match the supply with the demand.

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  1. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unlike the US and EU, we Canadians are smart enough not to sell valuable resources like our wireless spectrum to the highest bidder. It's yet another sign of the problems that will plague these troubled nations going forward. The US and EU will collapse soon and everyone will see the failed states for what they are. The Brexit and Puerto Rico bankruptcies were just the beginning. Canada will be the next dominant superpower when the US and EU fall apart.

    1. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vive le Quebec libre! Its time the the freedom loving people of quebec gain independence from you stupid english speaking bastards!

    2. Re: LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know. A lot of the US (not all of it) is remarkably persistent. If you look at history the US might look like it's in trouble but usually gets out of it. The EU is going to implode, though.

    3. Re:LOL by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's something of a flim-flam, though--they're not "buying" anything, merely purchasing the right to apply for a license that can be revoked. Granted, license revocation is a rare thing, but it's out there does to some degree constrain the operators of licensed broadcast/wireless systems on every band.

      Think of it like this: Any way you issue the licenses, they're valuable. By charging for them, you at least raise some money in exchange for this valuable license, rather than just giving it away for the $295 application fee.

      That said, I'd be thrilled to see a significant portion of this allotment reserved for municipal wireless broadband in "unprofitable" areas. We have to close the internet gap to give our rural neighbors the chance to enjoy the development and growth that connectivity enables.

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    4. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      blame Canada, blame Canada
      It seems that everything's gone wrong
      Since Canada came along

      Blame Canada, blame Canada
      They're not even a real country anyway

      capcha: corrode

    5. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      On behalf of every British Columbian who can't stand seeing your stupid language printed on everything, hurry up, please.

      Ours is the furthest province from yours and we should be the least accommodating of your bastardized fronglish bullshit.

    6. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be worse. Everything in the USA is becoming either Arabic or Spanish.

    7. Re:LOL by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      That said, I'd be thrilled to see a significant portion of this allotment reserved for municipal wireless broadband in "unprofitable" areas.

      The unprofitable areas are those areas with low population density. Do you know what you don't find in areas with low population density? That's right, municipalities that have money to invest in wireless broadband.

    8. Re:LOL by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      [...] you stupid english speaking bastards!

      Don't you mean Hanglish?

    9. Re:LOL by hawguy · · Score: 1

      That said, I'd be thrilled to see a significant portion of this allotment reserved for municipal wireless broadband in "unprofitable" areas.

      The unprofitable areas are those areas with low population density. Do you know what you don't find in areas with low population density? That's right, municipalities that have money to invest in wireless broadband.

      Right, when I lived in nearly unpopulated San Francisco and my only choices for internet were Comcast cable and "up to" 1.5mbit AT&T DSL. I didn't really want Comcast (or AT&T for that matter), but I was outside of the range of monkeybrains wireless isp so I was stuck with Comcast.

    10. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] you stupid english speaking bastards!

      Don't you mean Hanglish?

      No. I don't. What the fuck is wrong with you?

    11. Re:LOL by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Right, when I lived in nearly unpopulated San Francisco

      My bad. I didn't remember that San Francisco is an unprofitable area for wireless telecommunications services. So yes, there's ONE municipality in an unprofitable cellular market that could install wireless broadband.

      Sheesh. Read what you reply to, ok?

    12. Re:LOL by ATMAvatar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everything in the USA is becoming either Arabic

      I know, right? It's on our street signs, our currency, and it looks to have even crept into our Slashdot IDs!

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    13. Re:LOL by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      On behalf of every British Columbian who can't stand seeing your stupid language printed on everything, hurry up, please.

      Ours is the furthest province from yours and we should be the least accommodating of your bastardized fronglish bullshit.

      See, this is exactly why you wildlings will never make it south of the 49th parallel; you're always fighting amongst one another. And guess what? Winter is coming again and you'll be trapped in the frozen wasteland.

    14. Re:LOL by Blymie · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is a tax on the consumer.

      Certainly, there should be some way to regulate air wave usage. But, just where do those billions come from?

      Anyone buying those frequencies, must make a profit. Therefore, any cost like this, is in some way or another passed on to the consumer. And, as a fixed cost that can't be optimized/improved/reduced, it's a cost that is universal to all wireless providers.

      Meaning? It's a tax on your bill. *YOU* pay for it, not the wireless providers.

    15. Re:LOL by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      You're claiming that it's unwise to allocate resources to those who can make the best economic use of it. You are further implying either that you in your omniscience know what the best use is, or that corrupt and capricious government will bring about best use.

      Great Britain leaving the E.U. is the best thing that has happened in the world this year, perhaps this decade. The E.U. is becoming a suicidal tyranny, and England is refusing the command to kill itself.

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    16. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They won't "fail"; they are being attacked and destroyed by rich and powerful people in the New World Order. And they will be punished by the people.

    17. Re:LOL by rwise2112 · · Score: 1
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    18. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty simple really.Spectrum is a limited resource. Due to the laws of physics and the limitations of our current technology you can't have everyone using the spectrum as they please.

      Given the need to police the spectrum, we put it in the hands of the FCC.

      Given the limited supply and tremendous demand, the prices are high.

      I remember reading the FCC is, or will be soon allocating a new (Lower frequency) ISM band ideal for long distance communication. - Exactly what you're asking for. You can currently do OK with line-of-site using 2.4 and 5ghz in rural areas, but this new frequency will work better in mountainous and wooded areas.

      You don't need a whole lot of spectrum for this, really.

    19. Re:LOL by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1

      The unprofitable areas are those areas with low population density. Do you know what you don't find in areas with low population density? That's right, municipalities that have money to invest in wireless broadband.

      You're thinking too 1:1. Although it is unlikely that every little podunk town will be able to have their own municipal wireless system, the frequencies in question are utterly pristine, and we have a long history of broadcast engineers sharing these frequencies and not interfering with each other, despite having stations blanketing the country. By positioning a tall enough/correctly engineered station in a central location, many rural communities could share one "system" between them.

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  2. Can someone explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why this is being sold, rather than leased?

    Shouldn't this just be like a 5-15 year lease to the spectrum for whatever amount the companies are willing to bid?

    'Sale' sounds rather permanent, and divvying up a limited resource, like the airwaves even for ridiculous sums of money like 90 billion, seems rather anti-competitive to me.

    1. Re:Can someone explain... by NotInHere · · Score: 2

      Yeah, they are buying these for all eternity. But I tell you what: instead of recurring lower income, politicians like it better to have bigger sums of money on the table they can decide about.

    2. Re:Can someone explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why this is being sold, rather than leased?

      The cost of the equipment to actually utilize those frequencies can actually dwarf the cost to "buy" them. Companies want to be assured that they are going to be able to recoup those all costs (and it often takes 5+ years to roll out).

      On the other hand, a renewable lease, with preference to the incumbent, might be be viable in some cases.

    3. Re: Can someone explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. If I have to be stuck with a 2 year contact "lease", then it's only fair that they should be too.

    4. Re:Can someone explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because a one-time infusion of cash can be spent to provide a year or two of some new thing that can be a long-term recurring expense. In the out years they can raise taxes to pay for it, because you wouldn't want to hurt [group] that benefits from this necessary service, would you, you monster?

    5. Re:Can someone explain... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Companies want to be assured that they are going to be able to recoup those all costs (and it often takes 5+ years to roll out).

      I suggest a lease which lasts for 10 years, and then after the initial period is permanently renewable on a yearly basis with a fee of: 10% of the original lease cost PLUS 15% of the gross revenue of the portion of any commercial operation utilizing the license.

      Also, if another company thinks the license is more valuable and they believe they can provide something of higher utility to the public utilizing that piece of spectrum, then every 10 years an opportunity opens to "Challenge" the lesse to request the spectrum be assigned to them.

      If their intended use is Commercial, then they either require the current lesse to prove they are actively using the allocation for useful commercial purposes of benefit to the public in every County in the united states and auction starts automatically, Or the challenger makes a "Buyout" offer the FCC no less than 1.5x what the current lesse pays per year and at least 2x the current lesse's original payment, and an auction opens to decide who gets to acquire a new 10yr lease.

      If the challenger's intended use is Non-Profit, such as a Public service, or as a Public WiFi offered for a personal or community interest, then they are awarded without cost if there is demonstrable value to the public of a certain level, And the commercial operator might be denied renewal, because use for the public benefit is always to have priority for public property over profiteering, Or restrictions might be added to the commercial entity's lease making the commercial operation a Secondary user, or restricted from operating near certain regions or areas, or at certain times.

    6. Re:Can someone explain... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      10% of the original lease cost PLUS 15% of the gross revenue

      Fifteen percent of gross revenue? You're kidding.

      Also, if another company thinks the license is more valuable and they believe they can provide something of higher utility to the public utilizing that piece of spectrum,

      You mean like every competitor would think? And every other user of spectrum, too? They all think they've got a better use.

      prove they are actively using the allocation for useful commercial purposes of benefit to the public in every County in the united states

      Now I know you are trolling. A cell company which has spectrum under this lease in the Portland market has to prove they are doing something beneficial with it to EVERY COUNTY IN THE US?

      If the challenger's intended use is Non-Profit, such as a Public service, or as a Public WiFi offered for a personal or community interest, then they are awarded without cost if there is demonstrable value to the public of a certain level,

      Wow. Simply wow. Take it away from the companies providing cell phone service so that someone can offer "Public WiFi".

    7. Re: Can someone explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      15% of gross revenue is too high, but a 10 year lease is longer than any installed plant beyond empower itself will last, so it's very reasonable. It will also fix the problem of a bandwith purchase creating a monopoly.

    8. Re:Can someone explain... by Blymie · · Score: 1

      What, so you're suggesting that the tax you pay to use cell service increases?

      Certainly, there should be some way to regulate air wave usage. But, just where do those billions come from? Or in this case, your leasing costs?

      Anyone buying those frequencies, must make a profit. Therefore, any cost like this, is in some way or another passed on to the consumer. And, as a fixed cost that can't be optimized/improved/reduced, it's a cost that is universal to all wireless providers.

      Meaning? It's a tax on your bill. *YOU* pay for it, not the wireless providers.

      Why do people approve of a tax on themselves like this?

    9. Re:Can someone explain... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FCC 'sells' spectrum via an auction for an Authorization, which has a term limit, and the holder of the Authorization must show they used it for its intended purpose and haven't caused trouble during the term (simply stated, I know). Holders of the Authority invest a lot of money and resources to operate, so they tend to (not always) behave themselves. They pay an annual administration fee during the term of the Authorization.
      What's not mentioned is the cost that your local TV station will incur so the FCC can get more money from cell-data-whoknowswhat service providers from the auction of the new Authorizations. Not to mention the grief us engineers and techs will go thru to make this happen.
      After that gets done and you've rescanned your TV, the FCC will make the TV broadcast protocol obsolete by mandating ATSC 3.0, replacing 8VSB. Your TV will need a converter box, or replacing entirely.

    10. Re:Can someone explain... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      But, just where do those billions come from? Or in this case, your leasing costs?

      Major telecoms are getting out of the Landline business and into the Cellular business. The reason is not that cell phones are better technology.

      The reason is that it is ridiculously profitable for them.... Land-based telephone lines have regulated pricing; Wireless and Fiber do not.

      If the price controls did not exist for landlines; There would be no 3G or 4G networks. We would still be paying $0.50 a minute for long distance, $0.10 a minute for local calls, and your home phone would be $60 a month instead of $15.

      Broadband internet would start at $50 more a month and cost $0.20 a minute while connected.

    11. Re:Can someone explain... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      ---"'Sale' sounds permanent..."
      I'll bet that's what the TV broadcasters whose channels are gone thought, too.

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    12. Re:Can someone explain... by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Major telecoms are getting out of the Landline business and into the Cellular business. The reason is not that cell phones are better technology. ... The reason is that it is ridiculously profitable for them.... Land-based telephone lines have regulated pricing; Wireless and Fiber do not.

      This is the first time I've heard fiber referred to as "cellular business".

      They're getting out of the wireline business because it is ridiculously expensive. Maintaining a copper pair to a home is a huge expense. Installing a new one is hard. You have to deal with a huge number of franchising authorities. The costs of labor go nothing but go up. The costs of hardware do nothing but go up.

      Cellular, on the other hand, can set up a tower or two outside a small city and cover the entire city without having to get city approval for anything. Adding a customer is an entry in a database or three. Cheap.

      If the price controls did not exist for landlines; There would be no 3G or 4G networks.

      Wrong. There would be no landline system for most of the US, and where there was many people would have opted out. Those new fangled "telephone thingys" wouldn't have caught on so well. That would leave a much larger starting market for wireless. It's a relatively recent turn of events that people have been abandoning wireline for wireless and increasing wireless demand. Imagine all those people as more likely customers 20 years ago instead of 5.

      We would still be paying $0.50 a minute for long distance, $0.10 a minute for local calls, and your home phone would be $60 a month instead of $15.

      Of course. Just as it used to be under the even tighter controls that were in place when Bell was Ma. You don't believe that public service commissions popped up just as divestiture came along, do you?

    13. Re:Can someone explain... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      buying these for all eternity

      Sure, just like the broadcast TV companies did before that....except they no longer have that spectrum.

  3. Re:IMPORTANT NOTE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go forth and vote

    Bob Dole was on my primary ballot this year. I remain suspicious. I think they are trying to clear out old ballot inventory.

  4. Renting airwaves by Drew+M. · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are we selling these airwaves? We should be renting them by the month. This prevents the wastefulness and hoarding of resources by a company that never plans to use them. What if some company buys them all up and never uses them in hopes that they double in price in the next 10 years due to scarcity?

    I said nearly the exact same thing as a solution for keeping the IPV4 address space from running out, as most of the space is currently being hoarded by large organizations that don't need full Class A blocks:
    https://slashdot.org/comments....

    1. Re:Renting airwaves by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      I said nearly the exact same thing as a solution for keeping the IPV4 address space from running out, as most of the space is currently being hoarded by large organizations that don't need full Class A blocks:

      What about ... using ipv6 instead?

    2. Re:Renting airwaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are we selling these airwaves? We should be renting them by the month. This prevents the wastefulness and hoarding of resources by a company that never plans to use them.

      While rarely used, there is a requirement in the license to utilize them, or the FCC can revoke them. This is the "use it or lose it" clause to mitigate against the hording you are suggesting. Since utilizing the frequencies have (historically) cost more in equipment and provisioning than the frequencies themselves, this was considered a reasonable mitigation.

    3. Re:Renting airwaves by schnell · · Score: 2

      We should be renting them by the month.

      Will you be changing cellphones every month when your current provider no longer has the lease to the spectrum band you were using? Phones can only support so many radio band filters without increasing size and cost, so different versions are frequently built with support for only the frequency bands used by specific carriers, especially on low-cost phones. You know that the radios on the cellphone towers don't magically support every frequency as well, right? Would you spend large sums of $$$ to buy equipment tuned for a particular spectrum band if you didn't know if you could keep if for the long run (at least the life of the equipment)?

      More importantly, the companies that buy spectrum do so because it becomes an asset with a known, fixed cost. Renting means rates may fluctuate or change (as they must, right? Otherwise the spectrum will not underpriced or overpriced.) Businesses - especially the ones that throw around the big piles of cash needed to stand up wireless networks - don't like having to guess how much their underlying costs will be from month to month.

      I said nearly the exact same thing as a solution for keeping the IPV4 address space from running out

      Do you really want to renumber all your public IPs every month when the rent goes up and your company doesn't want to pay it?

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    4. Re:Renting airwaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, these frequencies belong to the public. Rental is appropriate. Selling them to corporations, from whom we will then have to rent use of such frequencies is, quite frankly, stupid. But it does make the short term gains look good to ignorant, short sighted people.

      If you own an apartment building, and sell the building to the renters, you do well in income for a few years. But your kids won't have any income from those rents, nor will your grandchildren, nor their children, etc.

    5. Re:Renting airwaves by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt...

      Why are we selling these airwaves? We should be renting them by the month.

      The airwaves are only licensed. A contract of only months would be moronic, as it takes YEARS to build out any cellular network, and nobody would make the investment without some guarantees that they can keep using them for quite a few years.

      What if some company buys them all up and never uses them in hopes that they double in price in the next 10 years due to scarcity?

      Spectrum has build-out requirements, so they can't stall development. It's also not really theirs to sell. The FCC can and does take it away.

      More than that, since the start of wireless communications, each improvement in the technology has pushed radio into higher and higher frequencies. There's only a few narrow purposes for TV-band spectrum. For most cellular communications, much higher frequencies are actually better in many ways, with these more often just a fallback.

      I said nearly the exact same thing

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    6. Re:Renting airwaves by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I'm holding out for IPv12.

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    7. Re:Renting airwaves by axewolf · · Score: 1

      Why

      hoarding of resources

      That's why....how are grown men so fucking naive?

    8. Re:Renting airwaves by Blymie · · Score: 1

      Renting them by the month now! That's even worse than buddy's overall lease term above!

      You do realise that this money comes from YOU! You, the person that has cell phone service.

      Where else does the carrier get money to pay for the lease?

      The cost of these airwaves should be ZERO. Not one penny.

      Yes, they should be regulated. Yes, if you don't use them, they get pulled.

      But paying for them? Billions and trillions? THAT COMES FROM YOU IN THE END!

    9. Re:Renting airwaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should be renting them by the month.

      Will you be changing cellphones every month when your current provider no longer has the lease to the spectrum band you were using? Phones can only support so many radio band filters without increasing size and cost, so different versions are frequently built with support for only the frequency bands used by specific carriers, especially on low-cost phones.

      Hogwash. The FM radio band is 87.5 to 108.0 MHz. All radios have filters for this range. A particular radio station may lose its FCC license to broadcast, but that doesn't mean that the intended purpose stops being useful. Someone else can be allowed the same frequency in the band.

      Similarly, the FCC assigns the entire band to for mobile phone use, and then licenses a particular company to use specific frequencies. So the chips in phones would filter around the band, and the carrier SIM tells which particular frequency to use. The cell company would "rent" particular frequencies and if they stop paying then they would go to another company.

    10. Re:Renting airwaves by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Let's see, I've got the use of these airwaves in this area for $100,000,000 this month. I'll just invest $5 billion in hardware so that I can use them. My business plan says I'll break even in 4 years.

      Next month --- What do you mean, the bands I've spent $5.1 billion to use won't be available to me any more?"

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  5. Re:And for the people... nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Good morning. I'm here to defend the FCC. I'm not sure against whom or what... but god dammit... I'm defending them. Thank you for your time.

  6. Bandwidth for High Power Wi-Fi by randalware · · Score: 2

    Why not ?

    Meshing routers could cover large areas cheaply !

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  7. Re: And for the people... nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, the people have access to several pieces of spectrum in the
    UnLicensed bands. Perhaps you have used WiFi or HAM radio?

  8. Who is going to pay the 86 billion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's gonna be whoever uses wireless service, which is basically everyone.

    1. Mobile phone operator pays the FCC 86 billion to establish a monopoly.
    2. Consumer is forced to purchase mobile service only from operator (who has a monopoly enforced by the government).
    3. Profit!! For the mobile phone operator (who has no competition) also

  9. How about repeaters for the digital TV signals? by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I think a lot of people in rural areas got a raw deal from this digital TV signal upgrade, because it makes it impossible to pick up a lot of stations you used to be able to tune in with the old analog system.

    Where we live, for example? We're about a 70 minute drive away from Washington DC (with many people in town commuting to/from the DC area daily for work), yet you can't pick up the DC network stations over the air. (Well, you *might* get 1 or 2 if you aim the right antenna just the right way -- but you won't get the number of them you did before things went digital.)

    I never understood why repeaters weren't implemented to boost the digital OTA signals, to ensure good coverage? Couldn't a piece of the funds received by selling off the old frequencies go to this?

    1. Re:How about repeaters for the digital TV signals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never understood why repeaters weren't implemented to boost the digital OTA signals, to ensure good coverage?

      First, because someone would have to find and license (new) frequencies that did not overlap with existing frequencies, and second, none of the stations likely "owned" that location (according to the FCC intent, stations have coverage areas, and while in the analog days you could sometimes pick up a snowy picture outside that range, the station was not responsible for actually insuring people could get it) so they were not responsible for adding repeaters.

      Couldn't a piece of the funds received by selling off the old frequencies go to this?

      Remember that first part about finding frequencies that did not overlap? The way that the auction is working is to give up a bunch of frequencies. It is going to get nearly impossible to find frequencies for any repeaters that do not interfere with some other station.

    2. Re:How about repeaters for the digital TV signals? by CheapEngineer · · Score: 1

      The map was hard enough with full power transmitters - adding 2x more low powers to fill in holes will be nuts to coordinate. Plus, with ATSC TV you can't just put up 'repeaters' on the same frequency - neither will be receivable at the overlap. At that point the 'fill in the bad spots' transmitters need to be on a separate channel, which means you'd have to scan your TV for new sources and could end up with 3-4 copies of the same station in your lineup. Full power DTV transmitters are in the $400-750k range, low powers in the $50-125k range. Double that to run line up a tower, assuming you don't have to build a tower itself.

    3. Re:How about repeaters for the digital TV signals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modern Digital TV standards allow running the repeater on the same frequency as the main transmitter. Of course you will need to get the signal to the repeater somehow, eg via fiber. Single frequency air-to-air repeaters exist in academia (using SiC) but not really in a commercially deployable form. I think the US ATSC standard is the exception in not supporting single frequency networks.

  10. Spring? by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    What area does spring cover? Ive never heard of them before. Then again maybe they ment sprint.

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    1. Re:Spring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What area does spring cover?

      Approximately March 20th to June 20th. Their HQ building is green certified

    2. Re:Spring? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      What area does spring cover?

      I hear their coverage is eternal, but there is a very low signal to noise ratio.

    3. Re:Spring? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What area does spring cover? Ive never heard of them before. Then again maybe they ment sprint.

      Yes, buy all meens make fun of they're typo and include you're own typo.

  11. 86.4 billion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $1 million * seconds_per_day

    I can see the hidden patterns.... But what do they MEAN?

  12. Re:And for the people... nothing by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    Just remember, this is the FCC that gives the people exactly 0% of the designated broadcast spectrum. The FCC that is owned, lock stock and barrel by commercial interests.

    I get television broadcast, cellular service, AM/FM/HD radio, wifi, bluetooth, and a whole gaggle of other stuff that I can take for granted because it isn't jammed by all the electronics in my house, including the power supplies to all that stuff. If you want to bitch about not being able to hear the term cunt-shit on the local top-40 station, I'm what you would call a gifted-idiot so I understand you there, but I'm not really sure why they're some enemy to hate in this context. If you think the United States would be better off without them then you should get on a dial-up connection going so I can send you a streaming documentary to watch.

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  13. Re:And for the people... nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And guess what gets the most quality content? The internet, the one thing not stifled by the FCC selling off monopolies for highest price.

    Broadcast TV and AM/FM radio is full of braindead garbage for people who go at a slow pace.... so exactly for idiotic nimrods such as yourself.

    You're exactly the mentally slow paced citizen that likes taxi service over Uber, because the government enabled your doo-dads so that you can jerk off over the latest American Idol.

  14. Cost per person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK that means that the mobile phone companies think can hoard and monopolize the spectrum such that they extort far greater that $200 per person just to pay for the spectrum. That's a significant amount on your bill thanks to the spectrum auction.

    There's gotta be a better way.

    1. Re:Cost per person by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You mean less than $2/mo. per person * 10 years? Oh, what exorbitant services, this must involve.

  15. Re:And for the people... nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Today I learned that the key ingredients to good content are nudity and profanity. Torchwood ftw!

  16. Re:IMPORTANT NOTE by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Actually, no, the best outcome for everyone would be a superintelligent AI doing the smartest decision for us, and also doing all the hard work. That is true because human nature made it so (we want to have fun, not to spend dozens of hours per week toiling away in cramped offices).

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    Ezekiel 23:20
  17. Re:And for the people... nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to bitch about not being able to hear the term cunt-shit on the local top-40 station, I'm what you would call a gifted-idiot

    You're more of an idiot for raising a complete straw man, but you were writing as an idiot, so points for you anyway.

    The post you're responding to pointed out that the FCC doesn't provide public access to the broadcast spectrum. It's 100% correct. There's no section of the AM or FM or television broadcast bands that you, as a member of the public, are allowed to access with a range of over a few tens of feet, even using non-other-channel-interfering, type-accepted, inspected and validated at your own cost, installations.

    If you're going to put on your idiot-hat, that's the issue brought up, and that's the behavior you need to defend. Of course, defending it would still make you an idiot, but you're already there, so I presume that's no barrier to your blathering.

  18. Re:IMPORTANT NOTE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The smartest decision for you may be in conflict with the smartest decision for me.

  19. They don't own them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The FCC doesn't own them, so we will use them whenever we like.

  20. Re:IMPORTANT NOTE by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Thus spoke Pareto.

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    Ezekiel 23:20