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UN Council: Seriously, Nations, Stop Switching Off the Internet! (article19.org)

An anonymous reader writes: "The United Nations officially condemned the practice of countries shutting down access to the internet at a meeting of the Human Rights Council on Friday," reports the Register newspaper, saying Friday's resolution "effectively extends human rights held offline to the internet," including freedom of expression. "The resolution is a much-needed response to increased pressure on freedom of expression online in all parts of the world," said Thomas Hughes, Executive Director of Article 19, a long-standing British human rights group which had pushed for the resolution. "From impunity for the killings of bloggers to laws criminalizing legitimate dissent on social media, basic human rights principles are being disregarded to impose greater controls over the information we see and share online."

Thirteen countries, including Russia and China, had unsuccessfully urged the deletion of the text guaranteeing internet access, and Article 19 says the new resolution even commits states to address "security concerns on the Internet in accordance with their obligations to protect freedom of expression, privacy and other human rights online." But they also called the resolution a missed opportunity to urge states to strengthen protections on anonymity and encryption, and to clarify the boundaries between state and private ICT actors.

59 comments

  1. The UN is irrelevant. Nobody cares about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    How many times does the UN have to prove that it's irrelevant, and that nobody gives a fuck what it thinks or wants?

  2. Reservations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a big difference between blogger murders and suspension of telecommunications in a particular area during an emergency. I wonder what meanings the Russians and Chinese see in that resolution. After all, as a Gartner analyst wrote, there is no equivalent concept of "privacy" in the Chinese language.

    1. Re:Reservations by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So we're better off 'cause we have a concept of it at least in the language?

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    2. Re:Reservations by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

      as a Gartner analyst wrote, there is no equivalent concept of "privacy" in the Chinese language.

      Then what does yinsi mean?

    3. Re:Reservations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, the analyst pointed out that but suggested the meaning wasn't really the same. Perhaps the right to family life would provide a pathway to the same meaning? Cultural differences, political history and all that..

    4. Re:Reservations by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      The analyst is full of bullshit.

      They have a freaking kanji for it.

      How can they have a kanji for Privacy and "Confidential, private matters", if they dont have a concept for it?

      Granted, the chinese government has been strongly trying to delete/revise/repurpose kanji for years now for purely political reasons-- so perhaps this is one of those they have tried to delete--- but still. China knows what privacy is.

    5. Re:Reservations by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Anybody that thinks they can get privacy through politics is nuts. And since we have none, we should do what we can to make sure the government doesn't either. They won't respect ours unless they suffer the same consequences.

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    6. Re:Reservations by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      Yes you are. You have a clear opportunity to communicate what you want or expect when you can actually express it via communication (language). When you cannot express it, you are frustrated endlessly by an inability to communicate.

    7. Re:Reservations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they don't. They do have hanzi for it, though. ("Kanji" is Japanese.) Next time, instead of trying to impress, just say "character" and save yourself some embarassment.

      Also, you are quite wrong about simplification.

    8. Re: Reservations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to fuck a goat in the ass.

    9. Re:Reservations by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I can actually relate. We really need a word for having a government that works of the people, by the people and for the people. Too bad nobody ever got that idea before.

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    10. Re: Reservations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There isn't a goat in the world desperate enough to want you.

    11. Re:Reservations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that you made corporations into people.

  3. Re:UN: Or well tell on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You mean 'de facto genocide by Israel' i suppose, given the actual facts on the ground.
    And yes UN has done nothing concrete against Israel's crimes, proving its total inability to confront brutish racist criminal regimes like Isreal, North Korea, etc, either powerful in themselves or are protected by powerful states.

  4. Re:UN: Or well tell on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's funny, how on one hand, Israel is doing genocide, and on the other hand, we've been occupying palestine for 40 years now. Are we really that slow in genociding? Or maybe you're just stretching the definition of genocide?

    Don't get me wrong, we are occupying land that is not ours and seriously messing up palestinian lives, but they are living, which is well... what genocide would have stopped.

  5. Whose beautiful idea was this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, did this great idea come from Cuba, or Venezuela, or Saudi Arabia, or another paragon of human rights? I mean, I'm all for openness on the Internet and everything, but would it not be more important for people to have the vote (for real, not in some sham election), not have to worry about being disappeared because they oppose the government, or even to be treated like actual, I don't know, human beings (like women in Saudi Arabia)? But hey, the UNHRC condemned turning off people's Internet! So all these other human rights abuses that have been going on for decades must be already resolved, right?

    1. Re:Whose beautiful idea was this? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, 'cause the UN is such a small organization it can only handle one topic at a time.

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    2. Re:Whose beautiful idea was this? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Well to be honest, it can IDENTIFY many topics at one time, but it's proven to be unable to handle even one topic at a time... Pretty ineffective, overall.

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    3. Re:Whose beautiful idea was this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well to be honest, it can IDENTIFY many topics at one time, but it's proven to be unable to handle even one topic at a time... Pretty ineffective, overall.

      The UN is a non-controlling entity, a forum with almost nothing of a sovereign (Even Security Council Resolutions are controlled by nation-states, not the UN itself), and defined by its inclusive nature. If you want something different, I suggest you try to take over the world yourself.

      Then you can have your own system. Rule with the iron fist you desire.

    4. Re:Whose beautiful idea was this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this UN resolution will accomplish exactly...nothing. As usual.

    5. Re:Whose beautiful idea was this? by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      It's funny how those that attack the UN constantly overlook it's actual flaws and keep attacking the things that actually WORK about it. We HAD an organisation like they want after World War 1, the bond of nations, and it was a complete and unmitigated disaster.

      Ultimately both the BoN and the UN were created with the same purpose: to prevent another world war. Thus far the UN has succeeded where the BoN did not.

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    6. Re:Whose beautiful idea was this? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why do you think they can (not) handle so many issues at once?

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    7. Re:Whose beautiful idea was this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ultimately both the BoN and the UN were created with the same purpose: to prevent another world war."

      And yet visiting the "About the UN - Overview" page on their website, this is alluded to only in the "peace and security" piece of a much large list of what it can attack: http://www.un.org/en/sections/about-un/overview/index.html. Obviously, the UN doesn't feel that stopping World War II is their only role. In fact, it's just a tiny piece of what it's here for.

      So while so far, WWII in a strict sense hasn't happened and the UN is a success, it should certainly not be rated only in those terms. Especially as the UN has seen the rise of terrorism and a "World War" against terrorism. It can't even stop genocide from happening, something consistently occurring throughout the years since WW 2 across the world. And I would argue that preventing genocide, such as the holocaust, was also a major reason behind it's founding.

      But look at the conflict embroiling across Africa, across the Middle East, in Eastern Europe. The world is at war, just not in the strict sense of what World War II is. And the UN has failed to keep that from happening and growing.

  6. Laughing so hard I nearly ....... myself! by Kevin+by+the+Beach · · Score: 1

    I hope everybody is as cynical as me. The worlds spies rely on the internet more than the worlds activists. Lets be honest. Where did the FBI get a list of people to "visit" prior to the upcoming GOP convention. Would that list have existed without an active internet to mine?

    It's a sunny and too warm holiday weekend by the Beach

    1. Re:Laughing so hard I nearly ....... myself! by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Where did the FBI get a list of people to "visit" prior to the upcoming GOP convention.

      Likely the same place that police find criminals posting about their crimes, with evidence in tow. On social media. The people who want to go out and cause shit or problems aren't exactly the brightest people in our society, and they'll relentlessly brag about how they're going to do xyz thing because it makes them feel good. The FBI doing that? That's good policing and a good example that they're actually catching on to how stupid people have shifted. It's also changed the nature of informants.

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    2. Re:Laughing so hard I nearly ....... myself! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, duh. Why do you think the council condemns switching off the internet but not the elimination of privacy?

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    3. Re:Laughing so hard I nearly ....... myself! by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      The FBI managed to create a list of "communists" across the US in the 1940s and 1950s, so I dont really think they would have any issues if the internet didnt exist...

    4. Re:Laughing so hard I nearly ....... myself! by Kevin+by+the+Beach · · Score: 1

      Several years ago I went to a presentation at Oracle Open World, where they were gushing about the ability to integrate real-time public internet data into a system that could be used by police to keep ahead of protests (where/when/who).

      My point was that these police and intelligence agencies would be blind without a functioning internet. The budget cutting and "small government" liars have created a system with a single point of failure, that's the real issue here. There are very few dedicated circuits that are in use that don't traverse the public internet at some point.

      Getting warmer by the Beach, and my lawn isn't going to mow itself...

    5. Re:Laughing so hard I nearly ....... myself! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By your logic, anything (even food) is equally condemnable, because even if something can do a lot of good, there is always the potential for great evil in it as well. You can't just shut off everyone's lines of communication because your country is too lazy or defeatist to deal with its government's possible overreach.

  7. Stop with the cute article titles by rebelwarlock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If your article has a cute title, I instantly lose respect for everyone involved. Be professional if you want to be taken seriously.

    1. Re:Stop with the cute article titles by martinux · · Score: 1

      Upcoming headlines:

      "UN Council: I just, like, can't even, China!"
      "UN Council: Russia, you're being totally problematic. Not cool!"

  8. It was a glitch.... by Tyr07 · · Score: 0

    It's great how we as a society keep passing a ton of laws that make us feel good or urge them but nothing stops them from disabling access or interfering with access to prevent it from being effective.

    It's like a recent steam game issue. during the summer sale someone used a DMCA to pull someones game off steam, without giving them a chance to fight it. They were able to fight it I believe but in the end the damage was done by missing out a big chunk of steam sales.

    No one pays any consequences for tripping you even if they determine the trip was a foul and invalid. So they'll keep doing it.

  9. Re:UN: Or well tell on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Israel should hurry up and finish the job so the leftist whiners finally shut the fuck up.

  10. There should be a "greatest common denominator" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some countries lobbied against the declaration, so it's not a universal statement. What I'd like to see is a list of things that all countries agree on, without coercion, just for informational purposes. Don't sugarcoat it. If that list is empty, I want to know. "It is wrong to kill people" is not on that list, but not being killed is a human right, so what good is that human right if it's essentially wishful thinking? Tell me what we actually agree on. The entire lot, not just a few countries which feel they can speak for everyone.

  11. Second Order -- not silly by redelm · · Score: 1

    Sure, like everything else from the UNO this will be more honored in the breech than the observance. Don't you think the bureaucrats and diplomats know this? But if they say nothing, then by implication, depriving access becomes legitimate government policy.

    What really happens is the depriving internet access becomes more grounds for sanctions and other measures that are desired for other reasons.

  12. Re: UN: Or well tell on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Racist!

    No. Wait. Muslims have declared war on israel.

    Antiracist!

    No. Wait. Jews have been killing muslims for 1400 years and christians for 2000 years.

    Antiantiracist! How dare you take someone's side!

  13. Comply or face the wrath of the UN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are only so many sternly worded letters in a red envelope that can be ignored. Sooner or later some oppressive regime leader is bound to read one, if only accidentally.

  14. Oh please! by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

    Without ad hoc/mesh networking the "internet" will never be secure, or private. You don't acquire those things through politics. You need the irresistible force of technology. The cops behave better when they know they are on camera. So let's turn this whole "spying" thing around. Never give the state the advantage.

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    1. Re:Oh please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are correct that it needs a technical, not a political solution. By now it is quite clear that governments are bad actors, and will use the internet for monitoring, control, and propaganda.

      The architecture of the internet needs to be re-thought from the ground up to be censorship resistant, monitoring resistant, and removal resistant. "Resistant" is the best that can be done: if anyone in particular is targeted then nothing can really help, once there are keyloggers installed and what have you. But at the least, the internet can be retooled to prevent mass-scale surveillance (coughnsacough) and the sort of mass scale censorship seen with China's Great Firewall.

      It seems like we are on a cusp. Either the internet goes in the direction of Orwell, in which case I don't think it'll ever return, or it goes in the direction of freedom and empowering of people no matter where they are in the world.

    2. Re:Oh please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without ad hoc/mesh networking the "internet" will never be secure, or private.

      In this case, the internet just won't work. You twits think that since you've setup a wifi mesh network that you suddenly know how to run a major backbone network.

      In a place where freedom of speech is restricted, what makes you think they won't come smashing down your doors because they tracked down your mesh network with radio direction finding? It's hard to type when all of your fingers have been broken....

    3. Re:Oh please! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The "backbone" is part of the problem. Ad hoc eliminates the need to have one. Instead of one big pipe that can be cut, you have millions of little ones that will be unstoppable. Freedom wins!

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    4. Re:Oh please! by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      There may be subtle means of embedding "seditious" signals inside benign sources of RF energy. Say, the energy leaking from a high voltage power line.

      The speed wouldn't be too good, but when you just want to get your message out, the speed of delivery isn't so important.

      Then there is your typical, ordinary steganography. You have a normal network connection transmitting seemingly ordinary data packets, but the packets have a very low bandwidth hidden channel of communication embedded in them using some clever crypto. Looks like you are looking at cat pics, etc- but are really sending a post about how you witnessed the secret police execute your neighbor.

    5. Re:Oh please! by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      That wont work with lots of traffic. The more pipes there are, the more you need to isolate traffic, otherwise the TCP messages alone will start to saturate the pipes.

      It is important to remember that even with a fully meshed network, there will be sections of the mesh that have more traffic traversing it than others. The messages are not evenly and uniformly distributed-- and with wireless technologies being used as the medium, there is only so much bandwidth that the spectrum can provide you in a given locality. (You cant just add another line and isolate traffic, like you can with wired.)

      This is further made worse, because as network conditions deteriorate from saturation, the number of TCP Retry packets and resends will increase, as all the user's systems try to assure data delivery-- on an already saturated pipe. It increases to nearly exponential levels, since the added retries and TCP messages about delivery failures cause more failures to happen through timeouts, because the packets dont get delivered, because the medium is busy.

      This kind of thing happens when there are lots of connected users in close physical proximity to each other, all trying to make use of the mesh network.

      Your ISP manages things with hubs (if cable), or loop management systems (if DSL), where each branch has traffic isolation, with progressively thicker and more bandwidth capable trunks leading to the global internet backbone. The thicker trunk lines can handle all that traffic from the combined last miles leading to and from people's homes. Without the traffic isolation, it would never work.

      The exact tipping points are mathematically computable, if you know what the average data use per user is, what the bandwidth of the segment is, and how many users will be using the segment.

      Long story short-- There's a reason why there are big fat cables handling internet traffic. You may not realize it, but the internet actually *IS* a giant mesh network. The "Backbone" is a bunch of high-availability, high-bandwidth trunk lines that have redundant interconnectivity. If a major trunk line goes down, other lines will handle a portion of the traffic, and route around the damage. The problem with oppressive regimes, is that they allow only ONE trunk line into and out of their country-- which they have a kill-switch on.

      A bunch of small, low-fidelity pipes will saturate under the load of TCP messages in short order, and are NOT a substitute for a properly managed trunk. Some small amount of data can get passed the killswitch that way, but by no means could it replace the downed trunk.

    6. Re: Oh please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That ship has sailed: the internet has turned to the Big Brother approach more than one decade ago and no, meah networks are not a solution. They can't scale. They just can't. Building a new internet from the ground up isn't simply feasible.

    7. Re: Oh please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess that means we can't count on any help from you... damn defeatists! It is people like you and your bad attitude that make it difficult to progress and move ahead. You would rather just complain. You really should just piss off instead.

      Attn: Slashdot
      How come spammers and shills don't have posting limits, but I do? Is it the message that you don't like? Or just plain old quid pro quo? Now I gotta go through all this hassle to find a proxy, get burner email accounts, etc to circumvent this bullshit... If you're going to limit posting, do it right, dammit, and restrict the right people!

    8. Re:Oh please! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I'm more optimistic. New technology is always forthcoming. Right now we are arguing whether man will ever fly. Things that appear impossible now are, in reality, merely difficult.

      I figure if you need more bandwidth, you connect to more nodes. And DHCP, DNS, TCP/IP, etc will be depreciated, they will have to be for it to work. We're still at the horse and buggy stage with this stuff. I will know we will start making at least minimal progress when the computer is ready to use when I turn it on, not waiting for a minute or two like an old 1950s TV set.

      Is that a lot of vague bullshit? Sure it is, but I'd rather motivate people, instead of discouraging them by saying it can't be done. Somebody will succeed eventually. It is something that needs to be done, if we really want to make sure the internet stays open for everybody. Present technology won't cut it.

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  15. dependancy by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    It seems to me that the UN Human Rights Council doesn't grasp that as long as people are dependant on others, there will always be someone subjegating people. As people become more dependant on others, the centralized power becomes because if the government can control XYZ then they can cause societies to grind to a halt. If they really want to improve the situation of all people then they should be pushing projects that could give people the ability to be autonomous through technology. Governments are terrified of a lack of centralized control because then the people can tell their governments to fuck off. If you want people to be free of tyrants then they have to obtain freedom to go it alone.

    What people need are automated and decentralized manufacturing and agriculture to create a post-scarcity economy.

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  16. CIA themed day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RIP EditorDavid

    May the Lord avenge you.

  17. Do you see the problem here or not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesuit Vatican and Jesuit CIA scaring everybody at threat of harm to themselves/family into allowing a total surveillance country. Even global because the info goes multi-national thanks to many many many fucking FBI moles and even a few CIA moles.

    So they take taxpayer money which really is literally not money but a debt instrument (-$20 (actual: 69.5) Trillion in your account how much money do you have? They use it to take your guns, set up camera world and spy and store all of your life details telling you it is to protect you from harm. Meanwhile they terrorize other countries and every time they blame it on somebody over in bumfucked Egypt they say they have to set up more cameras at home and your guns need fingerprint scanners on them and shit.

    GTFO CIA. Do not say Barack Obama is just finding this out either.

    1. Re:Do you see the problem here or not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Jewish media monopoly and Israel are not unnoticed.

      Nor is the Lizard Squad (NSA)
      Nor is Anonymous (Israel state sponsored "hackers")

  18. Re:UN: Or well tell on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Israel is not doing any 'de facto genocide' and the facts on the ground don't support that either. Live in your fantasy world.

  19. Re:UN: Or well tell on you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If effectiveness is any criteria of judging existence of genocides then there has been no genocides in modern times.
    Given all the Holocaust survivors for instance, millions of them, that too was no genocide huh?

  20. Re:UN: Or well tell on you! by sittingnut · · Score: 1

    I suppose deniers like you think just because there are millions of Holocaust survivors, that "facts on the ground" don't support that was a genocide too.

  21. Dumb question by ihtoit · · Score: 1

    Since when did the right to internet access take priority over the right to safe drinking water?

    There's free wifi wherever I look. Hell, the phone box down the road from me has it.

    Water fountain? There's a public recreation area I can see from my bedroom. I've been all over it. Not one single water fountain. There's a cafe at the far end which is open for like three weeks in August, that's it. Even they don't offer water.

    Something is very, very wrong here.

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  22. Re:UN: Or well tell on you! by Wootery · · Score: 1

    ...did you forget the part when you said 'modern times'?

  23. Re:UN: Or well tell on you! by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Please feel free to link to ANY information indicating how Israel is committing genocide, as that requires you to point to them murdering people who are trying to mind their own business, I am sure that it will be a long wait.

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  24. Re:Or? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    /me drops a pea in your beer.

    Did you perhaps mean pee that means to urinate instead of pea that is a small green fruit?

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